Redemption (TNG S4E26) | Star Trek Journey 207

[@targetaudience]

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[@teagusmeagus7168]

FYI, if no one else has said it yet, Gowron is pronounced Gow like Cow. Gow-ron not Go-ron

[@GopherBaroque61]

20:21 Your reaction to Denise Crosby's appearance... *_PRICELESS_*

[@TheMoneypresident]

Lt. Jae first in the line.

[@TheElderBlotch]

Seeing your brains break at Denise Crosby was priceless, it's not Locutus of Borg levels of epicness but still such a wtf cliffhanger. I love Gowron, he's a deceptively complex character and whenever he, Kurn (RIP Tony Todd) or the conniving Duras sisters show up, it's a treat. Season 4 is my favourite, so glad you enjoyed it as much as you did!

[@miller-joel]

I don't believe they didn't recognize that voice. Come on.

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

and just like Locutas is doesn't pay off in an exciting way during the next season

[@miller-joel]

@@Isaacisaperson4677 ...because they make it up as they go. They never plan ahead.

[@terrymitchell6935]

@@miller-joel i am a massive Denise Crosby/Tasha Yar fan, back when I was first watching, I knew the voice was familiar but I didn't put it with her...she was after all dead and gone as far as I knew so it was kind of out of my mind as even a possibility.

[@kerry-j4m]

@@miller-joel I recognized her voice when i first saw this episode before the big reveal at the end. LOVED the return of Kurn ( rip: Tony Todd ) and Gowron,plus the inclusion of the Duras Sisters who wanted to rule the Klingon Empire for themselves ( with the aid of Romulus ) I LOVE people who have loathy goals and will do what's necessary to achieve those goals. Q'pla !!! Today is a GOOD day ti die !!!

[@Sturmjaeger]

This reaction to Denise Crosby is the same reaction we all had in 1991. I was 16 and had to wait the whole summer for answers!

[@kathyastrom1315]

My sister and I were both big TNG fans. We had an apartment together until a few months before this aired and watched it every week. When this episode ended, my phone rang immediately after the credits started, and I picked it up, knowing who it would be. “IS THAT WHO I THINK IT IS?!?!?!!!” was all I heard. Sis and I were both blown away.

[@ihno45]

It was her twin sister, Marsha Yar.

[@scgreek1114]

I could have sworn Guinan already made Worf laugh during in the "Prune Juice" scene of "Yesterday's Enterprise."

[@MKDumas1981]

The bet may have been made after that. In fact, that scene may be what sparked the bet in the first place.

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

"Klingons do not" from Worf translates to "I don't wanna" This is pretty consistent.

[@scrapperlock9437]

I remember this cliffhanger right around the time I graduated college. I was then in the dorms in grad school the night of the Season 5 opener, and I had a lousy little B&W TV in my room, so I went up to the 5th floor lounge, which had a large, nice color TV, hoping the people there wouldn't mind me watching it -- the room was packed with grad students who were STTNG fans, and everyone wanted to see what was going to happen. One of the best evenings of watching TNG that I ever had.

[@greenbrown7776]

I was watching at friend's watch party. When Denise Crosby emerged from the shadows, we were freaked out! I miss the 20th century with watch parties and inviting people over to hear a new album, etc.

[@GreenCauldron08]

I never realized I had such a superpower for NOT reading the opening credits

[@ThatJunkman]

Denise Cosby doesn’t have enough lines and screen time to be in credits in opening credits by union rules. There is always circumstances but it’s mostly based on the screen time. Someone like Q would be in the show most of the time, so by the rules his name would be placed in the opening

[@WilliamPitcher]

Yep - And agents and credited individuals tend to be more concerned about their careers than spoilers. There's only four categories in SAG/AFTRA - Extras, Under Fives (under five lines), Day Players (full parts) and Guest Stars (including Special Guest Stars). Under 5s do not get opening credits.

[@silikon2]

Hmm. I didn't know about that. However I know there's a DS9 ep where an actor agreed to be credited in the end to avoid spoiling something, obviously can't say more.

[@tehScribbles]

Another small note too, in the previous episode with Crosby, it was only her voice with a stand-in actress in the shadow.

[@BrandonFrancey]

I want to argue this because of a future 2-parter that has a surprise guest who has even fewer lines than Denise does in this episode, but he is credited in the opening credits. I don't want to go into spoilers but it may have has something to do with circumstances.

[@TheParticleWave]

The real reason Denise Crosby’s name isn’t in the credits for “Redemption” is that her reveal in the last scene is a genuine surprise that wasn’t spoiled by any leaks, print ads, or trailers. The other guest stars Alex and Josh get upset with being “spoiled” as they watch the Act One credits aren’t actually real surprises or reveals from the point of view of the writers and producers. This genuinely was a surprise twist and intended to be so. The episode titles and the vast majority of the guest stars were never treated as spoilers when the show originally ran, no matter when they appeared in the narrative. This is different.

[@carlosvergara4132]

Remember to take a shot every time Gowron blinks!

[@LiveFreeOrDieDH]

Worst drinking game ever!

[@jovetj]

He blinks??

[@Spock4771]

Better drinking game take a shot while watching yugioh every time someone says I draw

[@miller-joel]

The real cliffhanger here is, will they learn to pronounce his name?

[@MrJerks93]

Stone...cold...sober!

[@williamozier918]

This episode also harkens all the way back to season 1 episode "The Nuetral Zone", with the simple warning of "We are back". Well BAM here they are.

[@greenbrown7776]

You are correct, sir! This has been building piece by piece.

[@InJeffable]

R.I.P. Tony Todd (Kurn). Such a great actor.

[@kingleech16]

He was so good.

[@bridlingtonphotographer]

Loved him as Kurn. Excellent as Candyman.

[@pokes404]

Jeez, even as a long-time fan who grew up with the franchise, I sometimes forget just how good this stretch of Star Trek really is. We didn’t know just how good we had it in ‘91.

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

There was a peak time when I had TNG, DS9, X-Files, Outer Limits, and Seinfeld, Roseanne, and Frasier, all coming out fresh and new every week. 1993-1996 was amazing for TV

[@BrandonBlume]

My favourite seasons are 5 and 6 but season 4 was the beginning of greatness for sure.

[@andygrams6344]

@@EmbassyNerdcoreyou left out Mystery Science Theater 3000 😁

[@WyattsWildNature]

@@BrandonBlume darmok and jalad at tanagra

[@ammaleslie509]

Yes we did! I received Season 5 of TNG as a box set and am frantically looking through boxes for it right now in the hope that I can watch full length reactions with them in January!!!

[@drublood1807]

Denise Crosby steps out of the shadows and the boys have their minds blown. I love it. Great reaction as always. Can't wait for season 5. My favorite of the series.

[@shallowgal462]

Mine too.

[@Vulcanerd]

Picard doesn't do mic drops, he does tea (cup) drops.

[@MKDumas1981]

Sulu*

[@clasicradiolover]

Took you guys long enough to recognize Denise Crosby. I thought you would have recognized her voice.

[@speedysavant]

TNG is such an interesting point in time for TV develpoment. You're right that they were aware of things like spoiling the hook/plot of a story with titles, etc - but they were only just sort of figuring out that style of television at this point. As you watch the seasons you'll see them figure it out, and at the end you'll see something much more similar to our expectations today. That's part of what made Star Trek so groundbreaking - the 90's run of Star Trek really was foundational to how we make media.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

I suspect there were guild rules still in place as well for things. Look at Lucas and Empire with titles at the beginning.

[@Reepicheep-1]

Vast majority of shows were episodic, no overarching plots. Bab 5 was arguably the first US show, DS9 was another OF the first ones, then the concepts of storylines, spoilers, etc. evolved from these.

[@cashflowhustles]

Never actually noticed that but I believe you are correct. Never thought of it from that perspective.

[@cashflowhustles]

@@Reepicheep-1 Can't forget about cable TV primarily Oz and The Sopranos. Cable was forgotten and ignored and usually DISMISSED before the rise and prominence of HBO and the serious respect they started to demand even from The Emmys. the focus from broadcast to cable would take place in the 90s on many levels and we are talking ORIGINAL programming and not just reruns. And of course this was before streaming in the mid 2Ks thanks to Netflix.

[@markdemariassy8685]

I won't spoil anything, but for me this is one of the only ones where the second episode is not a slight dip from part 1 and may be even better. Taking both episodes together as the full ark is definitely better than looking at this episode in isolation.

[@thewinner7382]

Arc*

[@markdemariassy8685]

@thewinner7382 😂

[@chrisfraser5088]

Glory to you…and your reactions!

[@jonathont7866]

Not sure how you could have completed the best season of star trek ever when you haven't even started DS9 yet

[@houseofsledge6891]

I have sooooo been waiting for this episode. I am so stoked this wasn't spoiled for y'all. This made me so happy!

[@greenbrown7776]

Commenters dropped a lot of hints that could have easily given it away. I'm glad they didn't seem to see them.

[@clasicradiolover]

It was a battle to not tell them to go back and listen to the voice

[@thomasgrimm1664]

Great reaction! You almost teared up at Worf's honor guard. FYI, Denise Crosby has a tendency to show up when you least expect her ;)

[@kerry-j4m]

I teared up when i first saw this scene back in 1991,it was totally unexpected,as was the scene where Worf resigned his commission as a Starfleet officer. GOOD stuff in this episode.

[@greenbrown7776]

@@kerry-j4m | I agree. And it somehow gets better with repeat viewing despite knowing the shocker ending that's coming.

[@kerry-j4m]

@@greenbrown7776 AGREED.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

“To stop a Klingon civil war” Picard inside: “Again? Meh, fine. I hope they have tea”.

[@SuperPaladinBros3]

I was dumbfounded that this wasn't S tier. Interesting. I only say this because it sets the tone for future episodes and series.

[@thewinner7382]

As an episode itself it wasn't necessarily that thrilling

[@griffinsummoner]

The two-parter is definitely S-tier, but I can accept a borderline A for the episode by itself. Some of the Klingon politics stuff can be hit-or-miss depending on your temperament.

[@JeffJedi]

To this day I use, "I am the elder brother." When talking to my brothers.

[@ianjohns9398]

yeah, but how many squadrons do your brothers have at their command?

[@maxshenkwrites]

As someone who has known, for 35+ years, where this is going, it's so much fun to watch you guys react and then speculate re Denise Crosby's appearance, etc. You will N E V E R get any argument from me about how opening credits are the worst kinds of spoilers. Sometimes this can be true even of writer or director credits, but ESPECIALLY cast credits. I thought you'd both give it an A, so I was close, kind of. Looking forward to season 5.

[@mattparsons433]

Yeah those credits and teaser trailers are the worst. I’m glad I was a kid when TNG came out and therefore paid no attention to opening credits

[@fakecubed]

Most of us never even looked at the credits.

[@Smeginator]

@@mattparsons433 I've gotten to a point where I don't even look at trailers anymore, because they spoil so frigging much

[@CrankyGrandma]

gOWron. Like you stepped on a Lego and said OW!

[@targetaudience]

This is a great description hahahah

[@matthewcollins4773]

A cowardly attack from those lego bricks. Lego is without honour.

[@miller-joel]

Klingons do not say OW!

[@kingleech16]

Stepping on a lego barefoot is how you get Gowron eyes.

[@miller-joel]

@@kingleech16 If you think human legos are bad, just wait until you step on Klingon legos.

[@badweathergaming4929]

To me, the reason he never really showed a desire to leave to go to his people has 2 main points. 1) He didn't think it was possible since he was shunned from his people. He had to accept that until that changed he just couldn't come back. That changed in this episode and suddenly became a real possibility. 2) His people were going into a civil war, meaning both Gowron needed help to keep the Romulans from gaining shadow control of the Klingons AND an opening to make his family gain major power in the Klingon hierarchy almost immediately. So basically in one episode his reality went from being shunned by his people and having to accept he can never go back, to not only being able to go back, but the leader NEEDING his help and influence while also helping fight the common enemy of the Federation (he already knows the Duras work with the Romulans).

[@cmtosh2409]

Damn it almost seems deliberate that you guys give S tier to mid episodes and not for one of the best 2 parters in the series 😂

[@greenbrown7776]

They are definitely tougher critics of the built-up epics than the random one-offs.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

What gets me is that Josh gives things like “The Host” a higher grade than these excellent episodes 🤷‍♂️

[@stevewright1539]

The second part is better than the first.

[@daniellanctot6548]

*So... How **_THAT_** cliffhanger working for y'all?* 😂😂😂👍👍 (Sure, it might not be Riker firing the Enterprise's weapons on Picard; but then again, what is or ever would be? But I think Worf quitting Starfleet and the Denise Crosby reveal as the mysterious Romulan woman in the Shadows is pretty high up there!)

[@targetaudience]

As a cliffhanger, it blows it away

[@MackerelCat]

Absolute gem episode, IMO the best season finale. Great reaction fellas.

[@schizowallflower]

When you got really close when the shaded character was speaking, my first thought was "he knows that voice and is trying to see if he's hearing things."

[@ztomas1]

Rest in peace Tony Todd

[@Vulcanerd]

Commander Kurn, his best role!

[@jamesalexander5623]

See You In Stovokor My Brother!

[@mattutley4592]

best use of the "multiverse" theory with the villain reveal at the end

[@garret_thorne]

I have been waiting so long for your Denise Crosby reveal reaction. You guys did not disappoint!

[@stonesoup8148]

I think that it makes a lot more sense to rate the 2 part episodes after the second one has aired. They are not stand alone, and are created as companion pieces. I mean, you wouldn't stop in the middle of a single episode to rate it; you'd wait until the end. That being said, I do agree with your B+ A- rating.

[@richdurbin6146]

My only disappointment was that when Worf left, they didn’t pipe him off. An old naval tradition when an officer leaves a ship for the last time.

[@kerry-j4m]

AGREED.

[@BlameThande]

The TA analysis after this one was really good, shows they've been paying attention.

[@sunkorg]

In the past, particularly during the mid-20th century, it was standard practice to display all key cast members' names in the opening credits, regardless of whether their appearance might spoil a plot twist. This was partly due to Screen Actors Guild (SAG) rules and contractual obligations that mandated prominent credit placement for actors, particularly if they were series regulars. The guild's rules prioritized protecting actors' visibility and careers, ensuring they received due recognition for their work. As TV shows became more focused on surprising or shocking audiences (e.g., with the return of a presumed-dead character), producers started finding creative ways to balance contractual obligations with narrative needs. Some approaches included: 1. Delaying Credits: Instead of placing an actor's name in the opening credits, they might be moved to the end credits for a particular episode. 2. Guest Star Billing: If a returning character was technically no longer a series regular, they might be credited as a "special guest star" in the end credits, preserving the surprise. 3. Contractual Adjustments: Actors increasingly signed contracts allowing flexibility in how and when their credits appeared. This was especially common for cameo appearances or surprise returns.

[@StonedVet81]

LOVE the Cliffhanger reaction. I remember doing the exact same thing back when this aired.

[@Geellun]

10:44 For future historians, this commemorates the moment that the phrase “Klingon Cleavage” was first uttered.

[@ShamrockParticle]

I always thought that was a jibe aimed at Bud from Kelly 😅

[@SWOLEX_1]

Classic klingon Boob windows

[@EricTheSaylorman]

I always said "Klingon boob window" outfit.

[@damienkakoschke3099]

Star Trek: Lower Decks, this season "what crawled into you're boob-window!" LOLs.

[@snevan]

Boob window

[@r.j.sullivan2104]

Like Best of Both Worlds, it would benefit you to rewatch both parts back to back and give the stories a cohesive single review. I think you will find, for instance, BOBW is much better taken as a whole than its parts.

[@aMartianSpy]

YOUR BLOOD WILL PAINT THE WAY TO THE FUTURE!

[@ThePolymathlete]

You guys don't understand the union rules at the time. Leaving Denise Crosby out of the credits was only possible because she was given such little screen time and lines in each episode. Past a certain threshold, they would've been required to include her.

[@targetaudience]

Then what about Bones in the pilot?

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

​@@targetaudienceI don't remember him having a credit.

[@miller-joel]

@@targetaudience "Special Guest Appearance by DeForest Kelley" appears in the end credits. Not the opening credits.

[@hippusmaximus9319]

@@ninjabluefyre3815 His name only appeared in the end credits - "Special Guest Appearance By DeForest Kelley"

[@winkles2314]

He didn’t have one.

[@DaveBukowski]

If you remember from the LaForge brainwashing episode, that was the same shadowed character. I am surprised neither of you caught her voice. That was "Mind's Eye"

[@tracycampbell4526]

That voice should have been a giveaway, but I guess it’s been a while since they’ve seen Tasha.

[@luckycharms9489]

I am literally so pumped for part two because- data.

[@TerribleEnglish]

I think it was probably a tricky thing, from a writing standpoint, to make a bigger deal of Worf leaving with most of the audience thinking "yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll be back"

[@MartyMcTube]

"Go Ron." Is he naming a character or praising the scriptwriter? 😃

[@miller-joel]

@@MartyMcTube Gow'Ron. Or Ron D. Moore.

[@cleekmaker00]

@@miller-joel Ron Moore. He set this entire Arc in motion when he wrote "Sins Of The Father".

[@miller-joel]

@@cleekmaker00 No. Ron D. Moore. Ron Moore is a different person.

[@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81]

You guys were just as shocked as we were when it aired the first time.

[@Jimmer93]

Can't wait for this one! I'd argue this season finale is better than Best of Both Worlds personally. Looking forward to Star Trek Continues as well. Hope the Patreons suggested the final two episodes.

[@belkyhernandez8281]

In those other Worf examples mentioned those Klingons were undermining the empire. Word has always acted to save the empire even at his own expense. It makes sense that he would resign when the empire needs him. Picard knew Worf would resign. This could not have gone another way. Also remember Picard warned him in another episode that if his loyalty to Klingon and Starfleet were in conflict again he would need to leave.

[@rmccombs66]

After the 9th episode of season 5 The Next thing released was Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.

[@mattparsons433]

Fuck yes!

[@fakecubed]

Looking forward to that one. But season 5 of TNG is pretty great too, and then we'll be coming up on DS9 during TNG season 6.

[@qam2024]

End of Season 4 already, dam that was fast. It seemed like Season 3 took so long to get through, while this season just flew by

[@jamesalexander5623]

It Went FaSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSt with all the "S" Tier Episodes! watched each several times!

[@miguelvelez7221]

Elite level TNG. As noted this just picks up varying threads, weaves them together to push forward Worf's and the Klingon political upheaval stories. Gowron comes into his own as a character and I love the tension that is produced by putting Worf and Picard into positions where they are at odds but both still acting according to their personal codes of ethics. No one is right or wrong so something has to give and Worf chooses to leave Starfleet. The scene of Worf disembarking from Enterprise D tugs at the heart. He's a senior Bridge officer and has become beloved and respected by the crew. I think the truest look into Worf's heart was his sadly expressed "Goodbye". He didn't say something Klingon or go for warrior poetry, he was saddened he was leaving his crew behind and felt he HAD to make that choice. As for that ending, and all the speculation about Crosby... I'm sure your audience is like me right now, squirming not to just post ALL the spoilers. All Imma say about where this goes is I think you will like how they wrap this up. I have always enjoyed this two parter a lot.

[@kalamari8243]

37 episodes of TNG and one Movie until the Pilot Episode of Deep Space 9!

[@heather9857]

Woohoo❣

[@patrickbollinger774]

What movie?

[@DamienDrake2940]

But whose counting?

[@CrankyGrandma]

My favorite of the post TOS treks. But like TNG it took a few seasons to really get great

[@EricTheSaylorman]

​@@patrickbollinger774VI

[@michaelkelly5293]

When you watch both this and part 2 together, it makes much more sense, and has a better flow.

[@r.j.sullivan2104]

I remember recognizing Denise Crosby’s voice in her first scene a few episodes ago.

[@shootingreal5945]

I did as well when this first aired..she has a gruff voice that was easy to recognize..I am always surprised when other viewers can't upon hearing her voice not firgue out that this is Tasha Yar voice.

[@r.j.sullivan2104]

@ it’s fine if you can’t. I think by this time I had re-viewed those early episodes several times as I had them on VHS and would binge them before each new season (until that stopped being do-able in the last couple seasons.) point being, I’d watched the Tasha Yar episodes several times by this point.

[@shallowgal462]

Am I the only one who has ever noticed that Gowron has lady parts on his forehead? I love instead of calling him Gowron, Alex kept calling him, "GO, Ron!"

[@stopgeorge]

Once again, love the new season 5 theme, boys! Very talented band that's doing this for you.

[@harrypothead42024]

I think you are wrong about the credits. I personally feel like it's stupid but, I think she's classified as a cameo appearance in this episode which does not require the actor to be credited in the opening

[@destinycaptain247]

Rip Barbara March - Lursa. She had a short career but I think she nailed it with her Trek run.

[@utterlee]

Absolutely typical of you guys to be underwhelmed by this one. 😂

[@mattstrathis4328]

This one is in my top 5. It's kind of disappointing they don't seem to like it that much. This is one of those episodes that is better on the rewatch.

[@utterlee]

@ yeah, especially after some of the crap they have given S and As to. 😅 Perhaps they’ll feel differently once they’ve seen the second part.

[@cliftonwebb3295]

@@utterleeThe only reason I remember “Remember Me” is how inexplicably high they rated that one !

[@utterlee]

@@cliftonwebb3295 to be fair I love Remember Me too. 😆 There was a couple of average ones recently though that they seemed to love.

[@joepolymath2308]

Been waiting all through your season 4 to see you react to the reveal at the end!

[@1983simi]

one month without TNG episodes??? NOOOOOooooooo!!! but it´ll be worth the wait. Enjoy the holiday season you guys!

[@cashflowhustles]

RIP Tony Todd an absolutely AMAZING actor. Condolences to his family and loved ones. its only been a few weeks since he's passed. I believe it was early November 2024. Today is only a couple days past Thanksgiving 2024 for those reading this at later dates.

[@Cherus]

I hope that one day I find others who do such a professional, great reaction to TNG. So I can experience this journey again.

[@Vulcanerd]

Alex and Josh going all gibberish at the end was chef's kiss 😗💋 ❤

[@Atvar]

Federation ideals prevent them from helping against Duras even though it's in their best interest. Worf leaving isn't just for the Empire, he knows it's to benefit the Federation too.

[@dolari]

Okay...the WCW/WWF Merger reference. ::chef's kiss::

[@MsAlexisPiazza]

The Vince ear tug was brilliant

[@jesse33cdn]

STAR TREK CONTINUES IS ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@RubesGoodBrainCoffee]

I was worried that the song for Season Five might not be as good as those for Seasons Three and Four. Now, I know that I should never have been worried.

[@adriankidd3211]

I thought they totally set up Worf leaving. Picard and Guinan both told him he needed a more Klingon approach to the situation, which you loved lol

[@Vulcanerd]

What Josh said about Picard and how Riker would have likely behaved differently and going after and defending Worf does exactly what Josh said it does which is to draw a distinction between Picard and Riker or maybe other Trek characters. But, just as importantly, you wouldn't have blamed Riker for going after Worf even if you also understand Picard's decision.

[@barrywade3774]

You two pay more attention to credits than … most people I know.

[@Jacana2k6]

RIP Tony Todd. Welcome back Denise. FYI she was an executive producer of the Trekkies and Trekkies 2 documentaries. Never saw (or knew of) Trekkies 2 but I liked Trekkies.

[@wisconsinfirenerd]

The opening stretch of season 5 is a rich one, you guys are in for good times

[@tracycampbell4526]

I couldn’t give this less than an A just for the potential after this setup. We will see if an S is earned.

[@barran62]

How did you guys not recognize her voice earlier in the episode! Easily one of my favorite two-parters!!!

[@jonm3427]

"Kern and Kirk" I'm surprised the series has never had a Klingon joking about how Klingon Kirk sounds as a name.

[@williampilling2168]

In fairness, this is only really the second true season finally Star Trek had done. All the others besides Best of Both Worlds were just episodes that happened to be the last episode of the season.

[@sircoolalot9471]

Loving the outro music. Both of them! Are they available separately anywhere?

[@damienkakoschke3099]

LOLs, during the Duras stories, I kept on forgetting that the reveal at the end of this episode hadn't happened yet. Your reaction was the same as ours back in the 90's, very much WTF!!!!!! Gowron gets bigger and better.

[@stephanietory5619]

I was patiently waiting for your expressions when you saw her. Thank you.

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

You have DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, so much to enjoy.

[@ShamrockParticle]

If they do Enterprise, it'll be a treat. Haven't seen it in decades so it's like experiencing it again for the first time

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

@@ShamrockParticle Very much underrated, Enterprise is better the more you watch it.

[@greenbrown7776]

@@shauncraigparkinson8165 | I'm rewatching it right now for the first time since it originally aired, and I'm about five episodes out from the end of the first season. I don't think I'll ever put it up there with the previous four shows, but I do regard it more highly this time out than I did when it first aired. I will say that visually, it's my favorite Trek show of all. It has the best look and special effects, but they hadn't gone overboard with that stuff yet. NuTrek is 2much. Enterprise hits the sweet spot. It's both realistic looking and visually stunning at the same time.

[@GlaukopisNox]

I thought Enterprise was worse the more I watched it.

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

@@GlaukopisNox Why keep watching then. More to the point, why add this nasty little comment?

[@Reepicheep-1]

Josh and Alex At Tanagra Josh and Alex On the Web

[@ThomasReeves-s7u]

One thing kind of weird about this episode is Gowron saying women can't serve on the council. He already offered K'Ehleyr (RIP) an offer to appoint her to the council. I feel like they could have said something like "Women can not serve on the council unless appointed by the Chancellor." ... "We are not like our brother." "He did not respect the Federation or us. You know he refused to petition K'mpec for our appointment to the Council. Said that he alone should be the voice of the Duras clan." "So he slighted us both." "Indeed so forget him." Anyway the Season Finales after this I think are somewhat less good. I might get people angry at me for saying that, but I'm not saying how and I'm just stating what I think. These two may prefer them.

[@ThomasReeves-s7u]

And now as I did last season here are some guesses on reaction for Season 5. (Don't worry they will be spoiler free in any usual sense and if it's like last time I'll forget them by the time they start Season 5.) 1. A or B 2. Go out on a limb and guess S. 3. A, possibly S. 4. A or B 5. A, possibly S. 6. C. 7. S 8. S 9. B 10. B 11. A 12. C 13. B 14. A 15. B 16. B 17. Uncertain 18. S 19. A 20. D 21. B 22. B 23. S 24. A 25. Hopefully S, but going by their track record maybe A instead. 26. B

[@richierich398]

I totally understand where it’s difficult to rate an episode without a resolution. I do understand your critiques of the episode as well. I don’t believe that Worf leaving Starfleet is completely out of left field though. He’s always been torn. He appreciates humans and what Starfleet has done for him, but his heart has always been Klingon. He also knows the ramifications of the Duras family taking control of a Klingon Empire. And like Picard, he aware that the Romulans are involved. He made the ultimate sacrifice to save the Klingon empire from going into Civil War. He couldn’t stay on the enterprise and not be involved. He couldn’t leave his brother hanging either. It also makes sense that there was no big ceremony restoring his name because they are in a Civil War.

[@bridlingtonphotographer]

S4 is excellent. S5 is the best TNG season. DS9 is my favourite. The Human Adventure is only just beginning for you both. So much Trek to come.

[@TheHominidShow]

So hard to comment without giving spoilers for season 5! It's always interesting to watch people make predictions for a story you know so well. I can't believe you're making us wait until after christmas for the next season! I'm so excited to see you find out what the fuck is going on!

[@targetaudience]

UNCUT reactions start December 8th on Patreon

[@TheHominidShow]

@targetaudience I'll get onto that! Big love from the UK

[@DefiantMacho]

I’ve said this before, I CAN’T WAIT FOR YOU TO SEE DS9!!!!!

[@Daniel-Strain]

RIP Tony Todd - he was an excellent Klingon, in addition to all his other roles.

[@m.e.3862]

I remember when Denise Crosby showed up and I immediately thought oh that's interesting.... I guess her movie career didn't take off 😛

[@legionaireb]

7:27 - The only _BAD_ line reading I can recall from Whoopi. That emphasis she put on "come DOWN" just make it sound like she's belittling Worf.

[@ianjohns9398]

she's teasing him plus she's responding to his assuming level 14 would be too advanced for her

[@legionaireb]

@@ianjohns9398 Yeah, but the call-out would sting more if she _wasn't_ making such a point of it.

[@gregoryfloriolli9031]

This has been one of your best reactions.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

"GO ron" Gow ron, bro. GOW ron!!! (let there be honor....to your houuuuuuuse!)

[@radwolf76]

Season 5 End Credits Song is another banger.

[@flotilha935]

Man i always get excited with the season ending music 😂😂 I'm expecting the Target Audience ALBUM!!!

[@tempusfugit7662]

Best season of TNG. You’ll like the Denise Crosby explanation, and it makes perfect sense. This is still the epic era of Trek, so writing is key and everything has to make sense. Modern Trek, not at all.

[@hrs2044]

Is there a deadline for the 615 goal? And does it matter which tier membership is joined?

[@targetaudience]

No deadline, the goal remains until we hit it. Any of the currently available tiers count towards the goal.

[@JAYWALKER1000]

That wasn't Denise in The Mind's Eye - it was a stand in - her voice was added after the episode was shot - that and the cameo* in this episode kept her out of the credits for both episodes. *Because of the limited nature of the performance - for instance none of the cameos in Deadpool and Wolverine made the opening credits (and, yes, it is contractual - Jenette Goldstein (Vasquez) should have been in the opening credits of Aliens because of the amount of time she was on screen - but she was new to the business and I'm not sure why her agent agent didn't get it in her contract - of course when she found out she got another agent). While they may only be in an episode for a short time Guinan and O'Brien aren't cameos - they're semi-regulars - so they make the additional cast credits And you are late to the party - Gates McFadden showing up in the opening credits of episode one of season 3 is because she was back again as main cast - it was no secret - it was no surprise - it was in newspaper entertainment section and TV Guide long before the episode aired. If you consider the credits a spoiler, it is possible to have someone blur/remove the credits you don't want to see - I don't know how to do it - but I do know it has been done for other reactors (for instance Jessica of sessksays).

[@fakecubed]

Nothing I really can say about this until after you've seen the season 5 premiere. But I'll just say that this arc is an S for me.

[@jayaldridge9520]

Tony Todd was a great actor may he Rest In Peace.