Best and Worst Body Armor in Military History

[@Taskandpurpose]

Please remember to like the video and check out this yarn about how one soldier captured 132 enemies: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJqZdHytbaZ1jK8

[@miketovey7815]

I'm British so we don't get to fire a lot of guns... We've gone back to fighting medieval style. Would the 3rd arm potentially reduce muzzle climb? Or would it just make your belt ride up?

[@miketovey7815]

@@GonzoTehGreat so what you are saying is a rifle sling is just as useful? My question though would it stabilize the weapon when firing in automatic to reduce muzzle Climb regardless of all the other practicalities?

[@joshred1571]

Task & Purpose Ned Kelly wasn’t a bad guy. He didn’t have any other choice to be a criminal or he just snapped after being accused of crime after crime. So mabye hit a history book

[@darodism]

So I'm trying to come out with designs for a future game, and I kid you not this has helped me a lot. Thank you so much.

[@jesusloveseveryone7779]

😀

[@johngassmann9581]

Huh. So you're saying that it was the 120 pounds of gear I carried over multiple deployments that caused my back injury and knee pain? I don't believe you.

[@Taskandpurpose]

Can't be that, has to be something else. Are you sure you're drinking enough water / have you tried this great new thing called Motrin?

[@kutter_ttl6786]

It's because you put your hands in your pockets too many times, thereby offsetting the finely balanced CG of your gear.

[@_flyingcat_7527]

Its those damn phones

[@SevenYTwatch]

@@_flyingcat_7527 Nah its because YOU DIDNT MAX YOUR PT SCORE!

[@andypeterson3972]

Probably if you had worn your PT belt you would have been fine. And changed your socks. And drunk more water.

[@sergiodt141]

Chineese troopers don't need body armor, they just respawn dude

[@ethank.6602]

Thats utterly insensitive... and completely true.

[@fatetestarossa2774]

@@ethank.6602 INDEED ; )

[@potatoraider7320]

We can't defeat their fertility rate as well

[@spikey950]

They have way too many people over their. They have replacements.

[@sergiodt141]

Plenty of Rice Dna seeds

[@crackbot]

just remember the VA has determined that your back and knee problems aren't service related

[@Taskandpurpose]

oh how I wish I'd gotten everything documented more. they kept telling me, when you turn 30 and youre falling apart you'll wish you'd gotten it looked at now. 10 years later I get it now

[@truckert9729]

Oh how I can relate to this one. Still dont trust the VA.

[@marcthefastz1000]

@@truckert9729 it is the same here in canada....i am 35 and every parts of my body scream pain at wake up ....meh

[@tonyh2181]

Ah the good ole VA. Giving our vets a second opportunity to die for their country.

[@Dad_a_Monk]

@@Taskandpurpose Amen! Everyone should hook up with the DAV before you get out and have them help check and document EVERYTHING and then make sure you get a copy of ALL medical records BEFORE you hit terminal leave, or you may never see those puppies again. I got away with taking my orginal records and left them the copy. They compared it to the set that finally made it to the VA, a year later, throug Randolph. It was light by over 50 pages. Including the records of an entire TDY where I was accidentally exposed to a high amount of radiation. Luckily they already had the orginal records. Funny to... all the records of an Ortho Doc I was sent to, after I got badly hurt in 2002, disappeared between discharge and arrival to VA. I thought he was a civilian Orthopedist, was never told any different. He made things far worse, I tried to sue him for malpractice. Turned out he was in the ARNG and claimed every appointment with an active duty patient, towards his time. So he couldn't be sued, since he was "legally" acting as a military doctor. Of course make a copy BEFORE you give them to the VA. Also get full copies of your records from the VA, at least once a year.

[@smileguyanimations8776]

Body armour - Stats: +10 defense 10% chance to nullify bullet damage -5 fighting spirit.

[@longyu9336]

It should be +50 morale/fighting spirit. In WW1 a German Stormtrooper receiving armor means that he has been selected for an elite service branch and the same applied to WW2 Soviet assault sappers. Especially in WW2 seeing that you could tank smg hits like an IS-2 and continue firing your own PPSh must have been a massive boost to commitment, bravery and aggression. After all, both of these types were the first thrown into an assault clearing out trenches, city blocks or entire fortresses against more numerous defenders.

[@ghosty1740]

@@longyu9336 they're making a joke about China not wanting body armor due to stupid reasons.

[@smileguyanimations8776]

@@ghosty1740 this^

[@longyu9336]

@Daniel Wong Imagine finally getting a clear shot at the russian dude carrying that flamethrower and running towards your bunker but he does not really die.

[@Piddlefoots]

-5 when taking a dump, damned shit takes to long to get off when ya busting !!!

[@dirkbastiaandejong997]

"with the type of soft armor that instantly hardens once it is impacted by a bullet." *NANOMACHINES SON*

[@doggo6056]

*IT* *HARDENS* *IN* *RESPONSE* *TO* *PHISICAL* *TRAUMA*

[@asiandwight532]

@@doggo6056 Raiden: *pikachu confused

[@intenselytired9966]

That type of body armor can be seen in Spartan and ODST armor suits.

[@pteppig]

Shear thickening fluids. A more advanced version of Non Newtonian fluids. Can be improved by nano fabricated particles that are even better at bonding with each other. Problem is, either the force needs to be distributed over an area or converted to heat.

[@scpagent086]

IntenselyTired the people making these armors have been playing a lot of halo recently

[@Sereze001]

At least medival armor looked fabulous.

[@Taskandpurpose]

heck yeah it did , who needs to hide behind camo if you look great?

[@brittakriep2938]

Task & Purpose : I am german, in a lot of museums and castles/palaces i have seen medieval plate armour. I have an Asperger disease and do not understand, if you mean this serious or as a joke. Camouflage, in german ,Tarnfarbe' was nearly useless up to the invention of modern nitro gunpowder, because of the blackpowder smoke clouds. Of course german light infantry (Jäger) used green jackets in 18 century, they had been in those days really forest officals, in my state he color of forest officals/ Förster uniforms had been green up to a few years ago. Those medieval plate armors had been very expensive, only counts, dukes or kings could buy decorated full armor, ordinary knights or men at arms , or rich town citizens not so much. And after 1500 pompeous armors were not for battlefield, but to impress other people, like many rich people today use an expensive car. For the case you visit the ,Zwinger' building in Dresden there is a very pompeous german armor made for a swedish king, who had the idea to marry Elizabeth l of England and wanted to appear in London with this armor.

[@credinzel6996]

It looked awesome as hell, and was the best armor at the time in my opinion. Everything from mobility, protection, and comfort.

[@ChemySh]

@@brittakriep2938 he's joking

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

@@brittakriep2938 As someone who also has Aspergers, happy to see another history nerd.

[@Fiirow1]

"Half the fun of being in the military is complaining" Spot on... Spot on...

[@Taskandpurpose]

let be real the other half is also complaining

[@TheWTFsauce]

I laughed way to hard at this, then complained about how my sides hurt

[@jfhistheone5]

It's the relief valve thats kept me in for 14 years.

[@daemon1108]

The day no one complains in the military is the day the world ends.

[@roninespiritu]

I was a saw gunner in Afghanistan and it was a miserable experience. All the enemy had to do was push me over and I would be done. With no way to get back up there goes your main gun. I definitely think weight should be a big consideration in armor. "Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain" -Random grunt

[@amanwithnoname2744]

Joe

[@vodkavodka8903]

Thank you for your service man

[@llamazing4326]

Heheh and I’m just a 13 year old who likes watching US military development. Ty for service tho

[@natethenotsogreat8349]

Llamazing I am twelve, my favorite thing to learn about is military history, especially the world wars

[@SwordsmanMercenary]

I had to reread your post I thought the start was a typo.

[@danielbateman6518]

I'm going to just dump a small essay here since armour is a big interest of mine. First off I assert that the armour worn by medieval knights in the High to late medieval was the most effective armour out of all armour within its historical context. The disadvantages were also the same things that made it good, for example each plate harness was made to fit one individual, meaning there's little to no interchangeability, but also it gives the most complete coverage without restraining your ability to move and fight. The maintenence also required at least one or more servants for a knight to be able to get in and out of his armour and have it cleaned to prevent rusting, and to fix any dings and dents. All of the problems with medieval plate harness will be problems for modern body armour IF it is made to provide maximum coverage and be able to stop high velocity rifle rounds reliably, and that's assuming it's light enough to carry. Which is most likely why we won't see infantry wearing heavy armour for the foreseeable future. In my opinion, which is only based on reading and whatever video information I can get, the ceramic plate is probably the best armour for an infantryman today. For its protective ability it's lightweight, multiple plates can provide coverage for the vital organs from almost every side. The only thing that can compete with it and perhaps in some situations is better, is ar500/ar550 steel plates, which in function are very similar to ceramic plates. When it comes to protection I think we're at a point that innovation will lead to soldiers not having to expose themselves to the enemy to engage them. One example of this is the foxhound in the British army where it can travel extremely fast off-road, whilst being impervious to small arms. Then being able to going into a stationary formation that essentially creates a miniature fort. Then there's unmanned weapon systems as well, or unmanned surveillance to make indirect fire more effective. In short, gadgets, gizmos and things with engines make body armour less crucial than it used to be.

[@Taskandpurpose]

great comment you clearly know your armor stuff inside and out, thanks for watching the video!

[@WhatIsThatThingDoing]

Against plate, the most effective means of damage is blunt trauma from a mace, a war hammer or a war pick. Daggers also proved effective at exploiting gaps, but otherwise no cut or stab would really reach the wearer in a good harness, just any impact from it. It's like making armour to stop anything up to anti material rifles now, except it would weigh a ton more now. Even then it wasn't all that heavy. More exhausting than without for sure, but the weight was distributed widely over the body, making the load feel and wear like far less.

[@ApersonIguess-rb6fu]

@Lurch7861 actually full plate medieval armor was pretty light and mobile than many people think, infact modern soldiers today carry more weight than knights did during the late middle ages. Not to mention the weight for medieval knights is evenly distributed across the body making it easier to carry and fight in while for modern soldiers that's not really the case so that's an exaggeration that you would collapse from heat exhaustion after 5 minutes wearing full plate armor. Also crossbows and longbows can't penetrate plate armor even at close range so while you would be a target by crossbowmen and longbowmen they would have to perfectly aim correctly to hit the gaps in your armor which is tough even for those skilled in the weapons (bows and crossbows aren't guns you know). Edit: Forgot to mention but whether or not arrows or bolts penetrated armor depended on many factors but generally speaking armor made of good quality would stop or deflect arrows and bolts and Knights obviously wouldn't go into battle with poor quality armor and would have blacksmiths prove that it was top notch to wear (even armor that wasn't the best quality like the kettle helmet or other helmets peasants could afford still had a good chance of stopping arrows and crossbow bolts)

[@ApersonIguess-rb6fu]

@Lurch7861 full plate eventually disappeared being replaced with just a cuirass (chestplate and backplate) because when gunpowder arrived on the battlefield and got better and better over time armor had to get thicker and thicker to resist it which meant it got to the point where full plate armor that's proofed against guns was simply too heavy for a person to move in. So they sacrificed the armor in many places of the body and concentrated all of its thickness towards the chest area since that part of the body holds many of your vital organs, unfortunately by doing so it meant the armor only protected a percentage of the body but it was better than nothing.

[@chieckenman4432]

@Lurch7861 plate armor was good, practice and history speaks. if it isnt then nobody would be using it for even a bit let alone develop the armor to be better, its just that knights have armor specifically made to be used by THEM (as the main comment already said) and no other individual, and knights have extensibely trained from their childhood to fight properly in plate armor, so of course some out of shape guy on the internet wearing a random piece of plate armor isn't gonna go very well.

[@cielopachirisu929]

I wanna note something in the obsolescence of plate armor: The reasons for disposing of it were largely economical, at least in Europe’s case, I was taught. Armies were becoming more and more professional and they were getting bigger and more centralized- they were becoming more expensive because more money was being spent by the central government to maintain them. In the past, the local lords that trained them would be responsible for raising them, and going even further back individual soldiers were expected to buy personal equipment on their own. The transition from small feudal armies to large central ones was the primary killer of plate armor; it’s really expensive to custom-fit that many men with it.

[@faramund9865]

Source: Trust me bro.

[@trustynomad3116]

Armor in the medieval period wasn’t as hindering as people seem to think.

[@Taskandpurpose]

I think it depended on what type of armor you were going with and what tactics your peeps were employing.

[@trustynomad3116]

Task & Purpose armor tended to be more standardized back then funny enough. We see padded cloth armor from the 11 century up till the fall of plate armor. We also see chain mail in that same period. If you had the choice of the best armor you took it. You also had cheaper armor such as jack chains, which were basically strips of steel down the outside of your arms with outer joint protection, and you also saw brigandines, steel plates riveted to the inside of a padded armor ( this is what most likely creates the myth of studded leather armor, which is only as useful as the leather since the weapon would hit the studs and the slide into the padding and not stoping it that much.) the only situation that would change would be the financial one

[@ZAELish]

@@Taskandpurpose the armor worn by knights on the battle field was was very maneuverable but would be come exhausting if fighting on foot.There was one case of a knight who's training regime consisted of running for a few miles and doing pull ups in a full suit of armor . The armor for jousting was not the same and extremely heavy which definitely led to a lot of misconceptions . But all down to task and purpose

[@KoishiVibin]

Funny thing was, you could do somersaults in full plate. 27 lbs was pretty lightweight in the grand scheme of things.

[@trustynomad3116]

Norian Arijuna 27? Full plate was generally heavier than that. The plate itself was around 15-20 pounds. The padded around I think 8 ish. And the chain mail would usually shoot the weight up to around 60-80 pounds. The chain mail was definitely the heaviest part of the armor funny enough. Jousting armor left little room to move around. However battlefield armor was maneuverable. It’s also funny that knights were required to be able to run just as fast and long in full plate as the normal garrisons and professional soldiers.

[@ikesteroma]

You complain about weight, and this is a TOTALLY legitimate concern. The Army/Marine Corp is literally crushing their men with the gear they are expecting them to hump into combat.

[@llamazing4326]

What about light full armor?

[@habu027]

We left half of our shit in the rear, depending on today's fun and games.

[@kkkkkk7431]

But then you are goung to thank that armour whem that one pesky bullet hits you. Would you rather be dead or have little bit more weight aand be alive???

[@cortex8239]

@@kkkkkk7431 If you die from spinal injury whats the fucking point dumbass?

[@theimmortal4718]

And fucking General Miley wants to give us heavy as fuck 6.8 rifles. Asshole

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

I was issued an IOTV, as a Marine in Iraq, 2004. At the time I weighed roughly 120 lbs. My Sgt got a good laugh assigning me to carry the 240. April 2004, convoy was hit by an IED - jumped out of the 7 ton and immediately dropped from a sharp pain in my lower back. Have had chronic back pain ever since (yoga helps, brothers - trust me on this one). But, yeah, according to the VA, my back issues are in my head. No nerve, muscle, or spinal injuries. Go figure. Great video. Keep up the solid content.

[@Taskandpurpose]

great comment, I preach all the time about how hot yoga was the only thing that saved my back. Doctors always want to do surgery or pain pills at the VA or they tell you you're fine and it's in your head, like you said. but yoga helped me more than anything else it's way underrated because it takes work and who wants to do that when the doc's got pills right ?

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

@@Taskandpurpose oh absolutely! The VA just loaded me up with pills and sent me on my way. The pills were horrible - I became suicidal and had two failed attempts while taking them. I got a contracting job and deployed to Afghanland, twice. Ironically enough, it was those two deployments, embedded with 3rd SFG AOBs and ODAs, that helped get my head straight; cold turkey off the pills; no longer a suicidal alcoholic; and now, a decade later, happily married and mostly enjoying life. The VA may be the worst thing for veterans (imo), which is why I go out of my way to embrace and support every veteran I meet. That comradery is what will get us through. I never fully appreciated the motto "Semper Fidelis" until I got out. Thanks for the response, brothers. Cheers and Merry Fucking Christmas!

[@RichPrick]

Try a chiropractor

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

@@RichPrick Chiropractors are more likely to do harm than good. Yoga helps strengthen deep core muscles in order to reinforce the neglected, though heavily used in the military, lower back muscles. In the military, we are expected to stand for long periods of time and also carry a heavy amount of weight - though we are never properly taught how to carry said weight and the gear assigned to us is not always the best (I was originally issued an Alice Pack when I entered the fleet, for example - the metal frame was bent in several places and held together with old, peeling, duct tape). Standing, improperly, at attention, for long periods of time, puts undue stress on the lower back; this stress isn't the sort of stress which makes one stronger (such as lifting weights), but which damages nerves and vertebrae. Additionally, emotional and mental stress often plays a critical, albeit difficult to quantify, role in pain. Yoga assists in addressing these two issues - strengthening deep core muscles and alleviating stress; with the added benefit of maintaining agility and flexibility. A chiropractor will "adjust" my back, potentially doing more harm, and fail to address the underlying issues which cause my back pain in the first place. life.spectator.co.uk/articles/the-evidence-shows-that-chiropractors-do-more-harm-than-good/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1905885/

[@RichPrick]

Appreciate the advice

[@ryanmcintyre5639]

“The original peacocking if you will” Peacocks: “am I a joke to you?”

[@richardjstuart3978]

I think you make an excellent point in saying we must pay more attention to the weight carried by the soldiers. However I cant agree that working to save the lives of soldiers with better protective gear is a bad idea. We just need weight as a higher priority

[@Taskandpurpose]

thats a good point that's a better way of saying it yes

[@rc59191]

They're gonna have troops looking like they stepped out of Halo before long.

[@ejomatic]

Hahaha

[@mattmonte2171]

i think there trying to make a dumped down idea of ODST witch could kinda work as long as the armor is practical & and what the heads up display shows well id pay my own money for ODST gear / as long as its light weight i can wear a backpack with it & and the viser shows me only a map and where my guys are and one day an AI field ascendant that can hack doors and stuff for the day we fight a war with some one who as tech

[@TomP-148]

I tested out a Halo odst style helmet back in 2015. It's was pretty cool. Had some electrons or w.e in the visor so if all you had to do to switch from clear or dark lense was push a button. But I haven't heard or seen anything about it since we did the testing. Probably cost way to much

[@KoishiVibin]

the pitman was a thing. Completely resistant to .50 BMG, and had gunship level firepower at the personal level.

[@mattmonte2171]

@@TomP-148 what was the ODST style helmet called I want to see if I can find any information online

[@Quagula]

Sounding like a man who doesnt want halo armor

[@torinjones3221]

Pfft I'd rather have 40k armour

[@chocchip4172]

@@torinjones3221 Bruh them pauldrons might as well be full body shields lmao

[@micohazakin8576]

You can wear Astartes power armor only if you’re a space marine

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

@@chocchip4172 they are actually

[@walkieer]

There's a reason why Mjolnir can only be worn by genetically modified Spartans.

[@dlam2864]

anyone who is criticizing you for complaining about weight hasn't carried 120lb in combat

[@roadhouse6999]

Heaviest load I've ever carried was half of that on an ROTC FTX and I don't blame you guys at all. They heavier your gear is, the more it's gonna wear you down physically. The more you're worn down physically, the more you're worn down mentally. The more you're worn down mentally, the slower you make decisions.

[@aleksfoxtrot8044]

Up steep ridges kn Afghanistan to boot. F THAT.

[@alexdunphy3716]

Yeah that's pretty fucked, especially considering a fully armed and armored knight only had to fight in ~60lbs of equipment

[@chrismath149]

At least you guys don't have to buy your own protective vests. My cousin's boyfriend was deployed in Kosovo and the Austrian army didn't have the funding to provide them with basic body armour. When I was drafted they still issued out steel helmets to the recruits.

[@bradchikenheart2]

Chris Math I’d rather pay for a quality plate carrier than use the trash SI IOTV

[@georgemctaggart1113]

Ceramic existed prior to the 1990s and were first used in great effect by helicopter crews in Vietnam as it was capable of stopping shrapnel and .30 rounds. The vest was known as Aircrew Body Armor, but was unofficially referred to as Chicken plate due to it being seen as chicken to wear it. This did not stop many from doing so. Ground troops had a version for them in the late 60s which could be worn without the carrier. The vest weighed 30 pounds and featured front and back plates with no side protection. The vest were considered too heavy for Infantryman and worn only on stationary positions, but the air crews loved them and credited it with saving their lives. This design was forgotten about with the advent of Kevlar, but was revived when shortfalls of Kevlar in stopping larger caliber was. We came back full circle and started adding ceramic plates to our vest again. Now we have also re used the design with having front and back plates over the shoulder and a Velcro waist band to seal it.

[@brettevill9055]

Was that stuff ceramic? I thought it was metal plates and nylon.

[@jamalwilburn228]

@@brettevill9055 Metal plates are too heavy. Ceramics provide better better protection at less weight. A flak vest made with metal weighs 25lbs and a bullet resistant vest made out of ceramics 30lbs. You can now take a bullet at the cost of 5 extra pounds compared to only stopping fragments

[@brettevill9055]

@@jamalwilburn228 Yes, I know that. I didn't say that metal plates were good, I said that metal plates were what was used fifty years ago.

[@sierra18puma43]

Having wound sealing/burn resistant polymer layers under the armour, built in tourniquets, a neck brace for explosive events, high quality respirator, in built temperature sensors, and a cufflet to help reduce blast wave interactions on the sides of the neck and temple are realistic improvements that have been almost entirely ignored. That's not including joint protective spring assist braces for the elbows and knees to absorb over-bend pressures, over extension events, and provide mechanical assist in the most strenous angles such as fully bent to extension as during kneeling to standing and 'pushing'. Additional pressure bands on the lower back, shoulders, and hips can help reduce joint stress and inflammation. An iodine doped hydrogel layer can both absorb shock impact, cycle heat spots, and if breached by injury provide wound disinfectant and sealing/healing. Polymorised high friction coatings over cast-set zinc-titanium cylinders can provide superior ballistic performance when cross weaved, and specialised electrolysis nickel respirator meshes can provide 02 synthesis and moisture control to the wearer. Again, simple and cheap ideas that don't line military contractors pockets so they get ignored. Happy to provide more proven methods in person.

[@christopherfisher128]

The Ironman concept is what happens when the kids that fell in love with Robocop, grow up to be engineers without ever actually going outside at all.

[@skipmage]

But the same can be said of Drones, light enhancement optic, app assisted tactic, and climate controlled vehicles. But if you're happy fighting a war with a rock, by all means hand over all the advancements that engineering has provided. Does it work? No, not in any realistic sense. Does that mean we should stop working on it? Not if we want men to continue fighting wars while placing more weight on them than any other time in history.

[@christopherfisher128]

@@skipmage Where in my statement about unrealistic idealism in engineering did I say go back to rocks?

[@skipmage]

@@christopherfisher128 The first engineer to tackle flight was an English monk in the eleventh century, he broke both legs and was forbidden to try again. But he traveled more than 200ft and proved that human flight was possibly. Yet I'm betting you have benefited from developments in aerial superiority. So my point is that all engineering starts with a 'hold my beer' moment and not wishing to deal with "unrealistic idealism" means not wanting to deal with the advancement that these innovations bring.

[@Taskandpurpose]

this is, I am pretty sure, exactly what happened so I'm pinning this comment haha.

[@Taskandpurpose]

@@skipmage it's fun to be critical of advances when they don't pan out as planned but I totally agree, I have a lot of respect for the men and women who pour their blood sweat and tears into developing future technologies. It's still fun to poke fun though.

[@bxhtog]

Government: So you a Soldier want a helmet with jaw protection and a vest that are resistant to rifle fire? Soldier: Yes. Government: Ok power armour it is.

[@Dazzxp]

Do they pay for it in bottlecaps?

[@mghegotagun]

@@Dazzxp Our money may as well be bottlecaps in a few years

[@joshuamarvin7400]

@@mghegotagun Not true, the money we put into military R&D is an investment into bullying other countries into pretending our money is worth something for far longer than it's actually worth anything.

[@krispypepper1898]

@@mghegotagun This is aging well

[@redactedcanceledcensored6890]

@@Dazzxp no it will be military-grade ammo

[@nothere.7588]

The iron man suit looks like the ghost recon future warrior suit

[@ifalone]

poo

[@whymypphard680]

@@ifalone pee

[@narutohanma7823]

I can’t like anymore

[@julianjimenez8231]

The trailer or the actual game?

[@Choc_1111]

The iron man project is developed by the us military

[@JZ909]

I wore interceptor body armor and the IOTV. Both were broadly similar: a Kevlar fragmentation vest with inserts for plates. Both of them were pretty heavy (without plates, the IOTV was a little lighter), both of them got hot, and when you put on every possible add-on piece of armor, both became ridiculously cumbersome. However, being able to get the vest off quickly in an emergency was an improvement, so I would argue that the IOTV was not the worst piece of body armor ever issued; it was just a small, incremental improvement. The switch from soft body armor + plates to simple plate carriers makes sense for what we're doing right now, but personally, I'm concerned it may lead to us unlearning all of the lessons we learned about the dangers of fragmentation up through the Vietnam war. If our next opponent has a substantial indirect fire capability, and we've transitioned completely toward plate carriers, we're going to wind up with a lot of torn up guys.

[@news_internationale2035]

Yeah. The Ukraine War has demonstrated how serious artillery is.

[@animehair05silently88]

I wonder if people could just make a combo of flak vest and plate carrier, kind of like how people would wear fabric armor and maille armor underneath and in the gaps left by plate armor. Since flak vests give protection against shrapnel over a wide area, and plates would give protection against direct fire in the most vital areas.

[@TheKingOfHeartsIV]

“Half the fun of being in the military is complaining.” Lol!

[@v4sdude191]

The Ironman project was created by nerds high on MDMA

[@Taskandpurpose]

they're all just raving and watching Ironman 2 on re run at 3 am taking notes like mad.

[@v4sdude191]

@@Taskandpurpose Hehe

[@gho95]

They forget to take into account that bullets have alot of force behind them. Even if your body armour blocks the bullet, you're going to be on your arse no matter what

[@EricToTheScionti]

@@gho95 not that simple, but mostly right.

[@camborambo5546]

V4S Dude Did you mean DMT not MDMA?

[@henryohenry1504]

"Go kick that IED" 😂

[@KoishiVibin]

To be fair, small IEDs an ABS can handle easy.

[@iitacticalhd6634]

@@KoishiVibin IEDs can be small but they pack a heavy punch.

[@KoishiVibin]

@@iitacticalhd6634 Depends on makeup.

[@mavste5677]

"... saps the fighting spirit." Translation: There's no way we can possibly afford to outfit our forces with effective armor and even if we could they aren't strong enough to carry the extra weight.

[@appleasassin3314]

Or, we have such an enormous military that outfitting each and every soldier with Body armor even though they aren't going to be going to war (Unlike The US) would be a waste of money. Also, China recently started implementing Body Armor quite recently, so what the guy in the video said was at best some outdated information or at worst an outright lie. I believe a contributing factor to this is China not being involved in any wars for a long period time. Unlike The US, with it's constant Military interventions in The Middle East.

[@danksterdan1682]

Chinese: *laughs in actual mobility whilst watching Murics waddle around with several tens of pounds of ineffective armor*

[@danksterdan1682]

@@mavste5677 Imagine getting this triggered over people laughing at your ineffectual turtle troops lmao. Cope, white boy.

[@danksterdan1682]

@@mavste5677 Spoken like a chump who's never worn any of them lmao.

[@_wayward_494]

@@danksterdan1682 Americans: *laughs in staying alive*

[@appendixpower5538]

We had the technology of perfectly interlocking plates forming a masterfully crafted suit of body armor that didn't infringe on mobility too much hundreds of years ago! Come on guys, we can make Ballistic Full-plate suits!

[@cleeiii357]

Medieval metals and materials are lighter compared to denser and thicker ballistic plates though, so arranging ballistic plates like medieval plates designed to not hinder mobility would've still been very heavy.

[@revanati222]

The issue is that a 2-3mm medieval plate armor might stop shrapnel or light rounds at medium range like an old ww2 helmet, but it's useless against high velocity rifle rounds. Even using modern composite materials instead, the stopping plate essentially needs to be thick (and unfortunately dense as well) to have the stopping power. They are getting better at making it lighter and more effective, but it's just a matter of time before someone upgrades the ammo or gun and they are back to square one.

[@hydra26actual]

The points about practicality vs sci fi are spot on. Minor correction though, sapi plates have been around since the 60’s. They didn’t suddenly appear in 2001 with the IBA. The problem I think has always been cost. There was a “variable” body armor in the 60s that was kind of modeled after the vests that door gunners would wear that had a couple removable plates supposedly good to stop .30 cal. I think 9ID tested them in Vietnam. All this stuff was expensive though. Even the materials we use today were known back then. Natick knew a boron composite sapi plate was about half the weight of an aluminum oxide plate but they were way expensive to issue out in any kind of large quantity. And I think that’s the rub. The avg grunt is not gonna get issued bleeding edge tech like a SF guy. He’s gonna get whatever the country can afford to buy 5 million of. But being a large, wealthy country, that still ends up being pretty good, even if it’s not the most advanced thing we know of.

[@eddietat95]

Minor correction, the first SAPI ("Small Arms Protective Insert"), by name of program, was born out of the Ranger Body Armor (RBA) program in the early 1990s. The Vietnam-era armor you are referring to is the "Body Armor, Small Arms Protective, Aircrewmen" meant for US Army aviators and the "Body Armor, Ground Troops, Variable Type, Small Arms" briefly tested by 1st Cavalry.

[@KageRyuu6]

I'm waiting for them to try mandatory steroids, that can't possibly fail spectacularly.

[@Taskandpurpose]

I wouldn't be surprised if it were in one of those 800 shots they gave me in the Army. actually I would be surprised because I'm still scrawny as heck

[@Gray13475]

I still remember the Malaria Injection debacle from OEF-I. Luckily, I never got sick.

[@ethank.6602]

@@davidlennyman444 well.. they lost. So not really. The russians tho

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

@@Gray13475 and the 4 stages of anthrax shots!

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

Talk to an 18 series guy about that lol

[@lupesalinas2687]

Died when you said “promotion pads”! 😂

[@Taskandpurpose]

; )

[@jaysoncolon4128]

I always said, ounces equal pounds and pounds equals pain. Lol

[@Taskandpurpose]

you have always been correct in that case haha

[@charlottewalnut3118]

Jayson Colon And being shot through the chest equals dead to be fair they’ll get it right eventually they always do the problem is that needs time and testing which involves potentially crippling a few people

[@alephkasai9384]

@@charlottewalnut3118 And lots of money and R&D which takes time which means not any time soon.

[@jgjg5182]

I was thinking people might be overreacting about how much the gear weighed until you said that the average soldier carries 119lbs which is absolutely insane

[@andreasbuder4417]

Dude, concerning liquid body armor: Did you never try the preschool experiment, where you mix starch powder with just the right amount of water? It is liquid, and stays liquid, when you poke it in slow movement, but gets instantly rigid and rocksolid, when you poke it fast with your finger, I almost broke my finger ;-) Try it, it never ceases to amaze me!

[@Taskandpurpose]

haha awesome I've gotta give this a try, thanks for the heads up!

[@butwhytho8664]

As cool as it sounds, it probably wouldn't work. Even though it becomes hard when something hits it, a bullet is made to pierce. The small point of a bullet could easily rip through it. Plus it would be so much heavier. Sorry for ruining your joke :/ I felt obligated

[@andreasbuder4417]

@@butwhytho8664 The preschool experiment kinda serves as a proof of concept, nothing more. And people are considering the idea, so there is that. Is it feasible in the end? We will see, it would be awesome! Cheers!

[@theroyalequestrian5955]

There is a incorrect statement in this video, and it's about Mideval full plate armor, the armor was actually gave you good mobility, and protection, from things like, arrows, Swords, spears, and to some extent, maces and axes, and yes they were decorated but that did not effect the strength and protection of the armor. And it's not that heavy it's about 60 pounds, and the 60 pounds are not all on your shoulders iit's evenly distributed.

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for the feedback, I think it depends on what type of medieval armor we're talking about, I did definitely make a big generalization. Some of it was light weight effective other times it was in 1302 at the Battle of Courtrai a bunch of unarmored faster Flemish destroyed a heavily armored french knights because they were faster and got them stuck in mud.

[@GarlicGuard]

@@Taskandpurpose This also happened in the same situation in battle of Agincourt in 1415 where the British have the advantage of having longbow men and rain arrows on the overconfidence French who some also fully armoured also struck in the mud. But also the French were exhausted as well. Good video by the way.

[@bohemondiofantioch539]

@@Taskandpurpose No armour can compensate for tactical fuck ups.

[@DenemeDokio]

@@Taskandpurpose Yeah, in general a well made suit of segmented plate armor from that time period allowed the user to retain near full movement and flexibility while inside of it while making them nearly fully protected to everything but anti-armor dedicated weapons. It was not uncommon for enemy soldiers to just tire out the plate wearing enemy simply because they had nothing to kill him with or for two opposing plate soldiers to be in a stalemate till one finally collapses of exhaustion. Such soldiers were the tanks of that day and age.

[@ChemySh]

@@Taskandpurpose if you're making a generalization, it should be that most medieval armor, even full-body plate, allows pretty good mobility (there're youtube videos of guys wearing replica plate doing parkour). An exception would be tournament armour, which sacrifices practicality for survival.

[@Taskandpurpose]

Change my mind, the IOTV is the worst piece of equipment/ body armor to come out of the military since the PT belt.

[@undefined7141]

Task & Purpose I ditch my side plates, so is that like + 6 fighting spirt? Where do I find this on a DD214?

[@Taskandpurpose]

@@undefined7141 yes that is +5 fighting spirit and -3 protection it's on the DD214 right under all the schools you attended haha

[@ninjaboninjabanana]

The Marine Corps' MTV flak jacket. It was like wearing a oversized cardboard box that weighed a ton. We had guys get stuck in doorways on raids because of it and all the crap we carried. I used to be 6'2". When I got out and went to the VA for back problems they x-rayed me and said my back compressed two inches.

[@lifeisrough8747]

"...this was the first ballistic protection against rifle rounds, that could be realistically worn." I would like to correct you on that statement. There was one particular superpower that went to war in Afghanistan from 1979-1989 before the Americans did. That conflict was actually the first time a modern army begin issuing plate carriers that can stop assault rifle rounds. I would say the first true modern plate carrier is the 6B3 vest developed by the former USSR. Please note that I am personally not familiar with Russian nomenclature for infantry kit and that some modern Russian non-plate carrier equipments also share "6B" designation. The first vest of the 6B series was the 6B1, introduced into service in 1957 but in limited numbers, this vest consists of hexagonal aluminum plates imbedded with aramid fabric. Its NIJ equivalent is roughly II or IIA. The next one is 6B2, introduced in 1981, it was the first mass issued vest of the USSR. It consists of layers of aramid fabric and small thin titanium plates roughly 1.25mm thick imbedded. Its protection level was equivalent to NIJ II. Later in 1984 the 6B3 vest was introduced. It is the first plate carrier designed to stop intermediate rifle rounds. It consists of aramid fabric and underneath layers of overlapping pouches held together by velcro that can insert titanium plates thats about 4x4 inches and thickness of 6.5mm or boron carbide plates. Its protection equivalent is NIJ III, weight is approx. 10kg. The latest next generation plate carrier introduced by Russia is the 6B45 as part of the Ratnik program, which was debuted to the world when Russian troops went into Crimea wearing these new kits. Surplus Soviet plate carriers and the ballistic plate inserts can still be bought online and are actually not that rare. Information on Soviet and Russian body armor are scarce in the West so it is a bit tricky to find more information. Google "realitymod Russian Body Armor?" yields some good bit of information if you like to know more.

[@crackbot]

the MILES Gear vest was worse, with that choke cord in the front. the IOTV came in second. it was so bad that in 2010 my unit got special permission to purchase eagle CIRAS because our missions had us getting in and out of vehicles and well as having to trek up and down those shitty mountains in kunar valley

[@Madkent94]

It's a shame you didn't show Ned Kelly's actual armor, made of bits of farm equipment bashed into shape. It weighs 44kg (about 100 pounds) it held up just fine to rifle fire.

[@Taskandpurpose]

I had no idea so many people knew about this Ned Kelly guy still , I didnt do the guy justice apparently

[@nkl7345]

@@Taskandpurpose pop history figure for the Aussies, was kinda seen like Pretty Boy Floyd, Machine Gun Kelly, Bonnie & Clyde figures in the states

[@paratrooper7340]

Vietnam 11C here; love your comments! Yes weight can be an issue particularly when your a crew fired weapons Infantryman humping the highlands of Nam loaded down with some part of a 81 mortar, a couple rounds of 81 ammo, your personal weapon along with at least 400 rounds of .223 plus as many frag grenades as you deem essential plus a couple smokes and what ever personal stuff you need to make life reasonably comfortable, like a bar of soap and shaving gear plus a towel and face cloth. I don't remember what make of ball point I carried or how much it weighted but a couple envelopes and sheets of paper had to weigh at least a quarter ounce. And oh yes, we always started our S&D missions with 3 days rations stuffed into a pari of issue boot socks. And oh yes, somebody in the squad had to carry a length of rope, 2 claymores and if you were the gunner you carried a 1911 along with a couple loaded mags for it. I had and have no idea what the total was but I can tell you my entire tour in the 1/12th can be explained as watching the feet of the man directly to my front and working as hard as I could to not let those boots get any further away from me than 2 paces. Now to some it may seem that those were not particularly difficult loads to carry but to my 19 year old body it was hell on earth especially when the shooting started and I had no idea where the noise was coming from and once down kissing the ground the thought of getting up again was something most of us tried not the think about, we just did it.

[@c4cypher]

Hey, I served with the USAF from 2002 through 2006, I was a REMF, I got range time with the M16A2 once a year, and that was much more than my peers got (for reasons) ... I find your videos informative and entertaining

[@edi9892]

The 3rd arm is actually based on a camera mounting system. It may be very useful for keeping heavy weapons steady, but I'd prefer a bipod or tripod... Funfact: the idea goes back to the Alien franchise where the actors struggled moving their weapon props, which were in actuality MG42 with many add-ons!

[@Taskandpurpose]

yes haha exactly what I was a referencing the alien movie used it !

[@Ironpancakemoose]

"inability to see clearly from the helmet" Laughs in 15th century bascinet helmet.

[@joshuachristensen9731]

Laughs in altyn

[@JonatasAdoM]

Woosh me but that was a tournament helmet. Medieval knights valued their ability to see as much as we do. Edit: I've just confused the frog-mouth helm with the bascinet. Now you can truly woosh me.

[@kylemilford8758]

An armor that acts like a liquid while moving and a solid when its impacted you say? I think I know just the substance 😂

[@Taskandpurpose]

get your head outta the gutter hahaha

[@kylemilford8758]

@Needles Iblis non newtonian fluid would work yesss hahha now I'm curious if that's doable

[@alephkasai9384]

Oh yeah they're working on a non-newtonian fluid infused kevlar. That was like 1 or 2 years ago so probably still some ways away. I remember that it was much much more effective than kevlar or polyethylene. So you can either choose to have the same protection as current armours but have it much much lighter or more protection for the same weight.

[@pteppig]

Nano coated ceramic spheres supported by a gel with a Kevlar backing. But that's more like new soft armour. Hard armour research in carbon fiber and carbon nano tubes reinforced polymers looks good. But it does not come close to multi hit capabilities of AR steel plates

[@llamazing4326]

Do you mean like the no no spot?

[@robpridemore4350]

Soldier in 2065. Looks up and watches a man on horseback with no shirt shooting arrows at him and says to himself, look at that stream line operator.

[@deanschneider8775]

First of all, I really like the US next-gen armour, the SPS. Having said that, their claims involved certain tradeoffs. Coverage was reduced a bit. And the acceptable back-face deformation was raised to 58mm. This is gonna mean more soldiers temporarily incapacitated- but not necessarily permanently injured or killed- when a round is stopped. Particularly smaller statures.

[@moon_runner6173]

I hope this channel blows up soon, your videos are so good

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for the encouragement it helps a lot , I was just reading through some comments on another video and there are some mean people out there, not a lot, but my attention jumps to the negative which is natural I think. Just trying to entertain people over here.

[@kubawozniak7823]

@@Taskandpurpose and you're doing a great job, honestly loved this video

[@nickflana]

Actually the exoskeleton, at least the leg one, is more advanced than most people think. They are already being used in Japan for elderly people and others for rehabilitation. They are also being used in car factories and are slowly being adopted across many industries now that they have worked out a lot of the bugs or problems with earlier models and each year they are getting better.

[@muffledgiraffe4303]

How do they function after bad maintenance and 4 generations of drunken 18 y\o dumbasses using them?

[@crhu319]

Basically the better bipedal robots can walk the better exoskeletons are. I see them mostly replacing wheelchairs since they are cheaper than modifying buildings for aging population.

[@Mitjitsu]

Firstly there's the prohibited cost of one. No one outside of special forces would be issued with one, but the main drawback is the fact they need to be electrically or gas powered, which is going to lead to increased logistical issues on the field.

[@irishdjm]

While the message of the armor being too heavy is spot on, ask any grunt and I'm sure they'll tell you the numbers are a bit low. When I was a saw gunner in 2003 in Afghanistan, our brigade (2-504, 82nd ABN DIV) was selected to be studied on how much weight light infantry soldiers were carrying into battle. With just my weapon/ammo, armor kit, and one-day assault pack with water and food, my kit weighed in at 174lbs. With our full size molle rucksack as well, we tipped the scales at well over 200lbs of personally carried equipment. Oh and between the parachute jumps and grunt work over two tours, the VA says my back problems aren't service related. Go figure.

[@Jackstalkerfear]

History has proven too us that there are 2 key regions that demand protection, upper body and the head. Vests with a chest plate too protect this region and helmets have proven too be the best answer too most of the concerns. What people seem too forget is that body armor is meant primarily too increase survivability when hit with rounds not too make you invincible. The simple fact is the docs will have an easier time saving you when the round didnt go on a party in your lungs or heart. The big issue is of course the ceramic plates will only hold for a few rounds and then they are busted, and they prevent full range torso. Still ceramic plates today are better than they were, I think focus should be on how too get something similar too those plates but flexible.

[@fredhercmaricaubang1883]

Uh, Cappy? Back in the 1950-53 Korean War, the US Army & Marines issued Doron T52-1 chicken-plate body armor to certain units & found that it worked up to a certain point. This same body armor was issued to US Marine & Army units during the 1955-75 US war in Vietnam so YES, prior to 1990, the US ground pounders DID have some sort of body armor, to a point. If you doubt me, then look it up or ask any surviving veterans from those two wars.

[@undefined7141]

We got some custom JPC’s, very slick. That some plates, and 4 mags, comms, Med and you’re good. The brass needs to take a course in economics. Spend the money you spend on the more high tempo operational units on all enlisted in a combat arms role and you will reduce development cost and long term associated medical costs.

[@KoishiVibin]

Problem, standard combat load is at least 300 total rounds for infantry.

[@undefined7141]

Norian Arijuna yep. I wasn’t and currently am not infantry. The best part is hands in the pockets and basic joe drama ;)

[@shane_s1013]

CASTLE HOLDINGS SPECIAL PROJECTS GROUP I’m not military but I fuckin love my JPC!

[@slimethegreatest1380]

talking about ned kelly "dont worry its ok, they got him" NO ITS NOT OK THEY GOT HIM HE WAS A LEGEND

[@Taskandpurpose]

you are correct I was wrong, I didn't realize Ned Kelly was a beloved hero of the people. I should have looked more into his story

[@soniamokros5643]

He stood up to the corrupt Australian police to protect his family Truly a legend, he was

[@TheKILLERDESTRUCTION]

They should take some inspiration from Mandalorian armor. Getting shot in the legs is not fun.

[@KoishiVibin]

Where do you get shot? Center of mass. Is armor heavy? Yes. Could more weight be devoted to ammunition to instead shoot them before they go EFT scav on you? Also yes.

[@marksman303]

@@KoishiVibin Fair point mate. But after a couple of your buddies get their legs shot away, dreaming about a future with leg armour doesn't seem unreasonable. I'm not saying strap another 40lbs to my legs, but if they developed a lighter composite it would be worth exploring.

[@KoishiVibin]

@@marksman303 If it's AK fire some UHMWPE plates would serve. They float, so it's pretty light.

[@Incognito_Blazer]

"Nanomachines son. They harden in response to physical trauma"

[@nordoceltic7225]

For reference fighting kit for Knight was 40-60 pounds of armor plus 3-10 pounds for their weapon, maybe another 5 pounds for their sword. Additionally half the weight of the armor was strapped tightly to the soldier's limbs so was not carried directly by the back. Further selectively padded, light linen gambesson would combine with the "heat sink" of a metal suit to actually pull heat away from a Knight's body in all but the warmest of summer weather keeping them far cooler in battle than the poor kids wearing ballistic vests today. Lastly, the Knight would start training their bodies for armored fighting from late childhood to through their prime fighting years, far eclipsing the PT enlisted men get. They were FAR more accustomed and conditioned to the weight of their kit than any modern solider. Based on what I saw here, the modern US solider is just too heavily burdened. 120 pounds is FAR too much for a person to carry into combat, that is near double what any ancient fighting man would have born even in the most heavy armor days, and they don't have the benefit of a decade of conditioning their bodies to that kit. DOD research really needs to consider weight and body temperature. The US Army is not going to win wars by being unable to roaming no more than 100 yards from their mechanized transport.

[@Kharmazov]

I beg to disagree. The armored exoskeletons once perfected will be a huge leap in body protection.

[@nguyenanthinh4364]

Of course it will, but it will also take tons of money and time. The problem is lives of soldiers in the present time, they do need something practical to protect them. Assumming that it take decades for us to have a fully functional exoskeletal armor suit, how long and how much will it take for every soldier to get one? In medieval time, you can focus on your elite knightly troops and care little for peasants but now all these "regular" soldiers are the vital part of army.

[@Perrirodan1]

There is something else which could be handy: robots Imagine something like minispot that carries all the crap. Plus it could have sensors and help with mines and all. I know they are already working on something like that but with just one big leap in battery tech it could become a reality. Also robots to recon houses could be kickass.

[@fonkyman]

@Chris Ruiz it will have airco... and assist you wit movement.... meaning you WONT be dragging shit in high heat and exhausting yourself

[@thepewplace1370]

@@fonkyman and when your op goes tits up and your power source is exhausted? Now youre in a 200 pound hydraulic box that is steadily rising past ambient temps into cooks-your-brain temps

[@BigEddieGaming]

@@nguyenanthinh4364 you could just issue some divisions with them, and then slowly convert the entirety of your army

[@wilfdarr]

"body armour would sap their fighting spirit"... Also they can lose 50% of their soldiers and still have the largest army in the world, so there's also no real need for the expense...

[@TheRagingK]

The problem with body armor in the past was the weight and cost of it. Many of the pieces of lobster armor during WW1 was thrown out because of its weight and the lack of maneuverability. The Germans also made thick sheets of metal that could be locked onto helmets which made them bulletproof but again it was often thrown out. The only use was for machine gunners who were hight priority targets for snipers. Just thought I'd mention this because lots of people don't know about this era and I wanted to point out some stuff you didn't mention.

[@Taskandpurpose]

great addition thanks for adding some more details for those interested !

[@gurugoguzhanson]

The overlapping type of armor is found on wall relief from when the Sea Peoples invaded Egypt 3.250 years ago.

[@ItsAVolcano]

Those modern shoulder pieces did have some limited utility. I know a few friends who used them while serving in Irag and Afghanistan. Specifically the two point men in the squads doing urban searches would double them up on their non shooting shoulder which, combined with a single knee pad to avoid smashing their knee when crouching, made for some Mad Max looking dudes.😆

[@TheAZchambers]

I played with that third arm once at a convention... Its surprisingly awesome

[@CarHubTalk]

Feel like this episode was a lot better written than the earlier ones.

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks I appreciate that! I put a lot of time into researching for this one from first hand sources. In the future my plan is to pull from hard to reach texts , facts that can't easily be found online.

[@CarHubTalk]

Task & Purpose Nice man, I’ve noticed some inaccuracies in your videos from time to time. Nothing major just small stuff, if you ever need someone to proof read or check facts I’m in a Sniper section and I’m on my pathway to commissioning. I also try to keep up with military history and modern equipment. Send me a message if you ever need some information of someone who is still in.

[@happywombat]

it looks like R&D staff has been playing too much Ghost Recon Future Soldiers

[@_MaZTeR_]

Stuff from Future Soldier looks way better than the garbage US R&D teams have shit out. A pair of sunglasses projecting a HUD and optical camoflauge sounds better than some big ass helmet with a HUD having garbage blocking out your already limited view

[@cjr4286]

As body armor becomes increasingly available, I'd be curious to see how NATO forces might train to deal with armored personnel, considering that aiming center-of-mass on the human torso will not likely produce a casualty.

[@jamesbiggs2745]

They're already in the process of upgrading rifle rounds from the joke that is the 5.56. Lets just say when it comes to the 5.56 im glad we weren't shooting it at an equally armored force with a 7.62. The 5.56 is simply too weak for the modern day.

[@edward3320]

20mm weapons. We will have nato troops running round with Eoka pistols and rocks fighting the taliban soon.

[@rysz1929]

I never expected to find footage includeing myself in one of your videos, nice feeling tbh

[@Kill_Me_Kira]

Storm troopers don't communicate, that's why they always miss.

[@jays_jae]

"Research and Development is about farting everything out and at a certain point something solid will come out." -My ICT Professor

[@adamarmstrong622]

Marine 07-11 and the body armor (bomb suit) we had was very heavy, I feared situations of being stuck in a serious fight on deployment in Iraq because mobility was heavily compromised especially if you would have ever had to carry a wounded marine that was also wearing armor and equipment, with yours and his/hers equipment you’d basically be carrying two people which is realistically impossible no matter how much of a hero you are

[@Taskandpurpose]

you make a great point. we carried a litter with us everywhere because there was no faster way to move a causality in full gear without a 2 person litter carry.

[@antitankautism8052]

When I hit the fleet I got issued a large plate carrier at 6'1". It covered from collar bone to waist. It was heavy, cumbersome, and I couldn't bend over to get in and out my truck. My section leader, at 6'4", wore a small plate carrier. It covered maybe 1/3rd of his torso. But that was worth the trade off for weight and mobility. The struggle to decrease your load is real, and if people are gonna whine about our "complaining", that means they haven't carried it when it mattered.

[@Taskandpurpose]

Yep this is the truth right here, being able to move and quick - when you need to - is more important sometimes than having an illusion of safety and an inability to move.

[@crumbs3410]

Jaren Kelley I have a medium plate carrier and it feels like a large on me. I asked for a small but supply ran out... go figure

[@KoishiVibin]

@@crumbs3410 I suppose you really have... Crumb-y luck

[@delta7a]

Great video...it brought back some crazy memories. IBA was the best. It didnt take forever to put on and off. Then the good idea fairies said we needed to carry more. Im retired...god bless those Soldiers who are still pushing. Hooah!

[@yesterdayschunda1760]

The thing people get wrong about metal armour is it most certainly did repel bullets, if armour was "Proofed" then it means that armour survived gunfire after being made and that is also where the term "Bulletproof" comes from

[@GiskardRevenlov]

Huh, a gun channel that did their research on medieval armor. Good shit

[@Mortablunt]

Completely ignoring the Soviets' developments. Look up things like the 6B2, 6B3, 6B4, 6B5. Modern, modular body armor with integrating carrying rigs... in the early 80's (mid 70's for the 6B2) and issued in numbers! They also came up with the prototype for assault armor in WW2, and to this day, Russia itterates on differing concepts, everything from just vests to heavy suits.

[@recker3168]

Who needs good knees anyways 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Taskandpurpose]

while hobbling down the stairs this morning I had the same exact thought!

[@icarian553]

You forgot Italian arditi troops from WW1 who also wore metal plate armor. Their armors job wasn't to stop bullets, but shrapnel and knives or bayonets. Arditis job was to get into the enemy trenches and melee combat with grenades and knives/clubs, they didn't always even carry rifles. In melee combat a plate armor was still pretty effective even in WW1.

[@Braun30]

In the late 1970s we were issued horrendously heavy protective gear. As I was considered a "static high value target", the version we got was 17 kgs. Being in the infantry we however were required to train like the fusiliers who were issued a 8 kgs version. We hated the stuff. Swiss Army heavy mortar school in Chur, summer of 1979. 212/79

[@Taskandpurpose]

What do you think of the new "Iron Man" body armor TALOS project? Where do you stand on weight vs mobility?

[@th3comb1ne13]

Considering you said that the main problems are mostly the HUD and it’s impairment of treating wounds, these can be easily solved with a minimalistic hud and/or removing it completely. Also the ability to quick disconnect parts can reduce the impairment of treating wounds.

[@n8bayonet838]

6:50 answer to your text question : Joe mama

[@Taskandpurpose]

easily the best answer haha I love it

[@sunbakedspace9421]

Best protection from bullets is not to get hit in the first place

[@Taskandpurpose]

2nd best protection is to shoot them first

[@sunbakedspace9421]

Task & Purpose thanks for commenting man I appreciate you and this channel and thank you for your service

[@leebennett4117]

The Enemy that kills you is the one you Don't see

[@JasonBlack66]

Well, I already got a Third Leg, So why not have a Thrid Arm too :P

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Literally skipped 10000 years of body armour history in 1 minute

[@buckappel6835]

The Chinese have so many men they don't need body armor

[@DevTheBigManUno]

Sure they have armour. The meat popsicles in front of them.

[@jager5796]

Its called human shield...

[@bornfree8073]

Chinese men should stand up to the government who is willing to use their own citizens as meat fodder for emenies guns

[@mheb6370]

Buck Appel.....Exactly! There 5 or 6 chinese to every single American,including all the illegals we have here and with the "One Baby Allowed" rule that china has had in place for decades,girl babies are often killed at birth because the parents want a boy to carry on their family name. Today the men in china far outnumber the women,even though the chinese throw their women into battle the same way they do their men. The Indians are the only people on the planet that can challenge the chinese in sheer numbers.It's likely a good thing that the chinese and Indians can't stand each other.

[@SPECIESUNKN0WN]

My man....Dropping some truth on that poptart game.

[@Osiedlowy_Platacz]

I am a "light" infantryman. I carry a heavy backpack and a heavy armor vest with soft and hard inserts. The vest is cool only if you do not carry a backpack. Otherwise it is an overkill. Carrying even a radiostation is totally uncomfortable. Back hurts like hell.

[@derekk.2263]

The problem with the powered exoskeleton is the power source, but even if you get that worked out it seems more practical in specialized situations than something for everyone to always wear. Like it would be great for carrying really heavy armor for room clearing or lmg gunners who might be more exposed but unless it makes you run significantly faster it doesn't seem like you'd have much of an advantage

[@cappytales]

I've heard arguments that a 5.56 is better at piercing armor than a 7.62 because it's smaller and flies faster not sure if that's true though

[@truckert9729]

At close range a 55 gr 5.56 round can and will pass through, sonething like room distance cqb. By 50 yards give or take and depending on the plate, you should be good. The 62 gr steel penetrator m855 will not pass through, dont know about m855a1 round. Pretty sure the 73 gr round the Israelis are using will at close range, but so far thats only rumor, they haven't exported that one yet.

[@halfinfected5392]

Lost And Found M193 5.56 can punch through level 3 steel where as 762x39 cannot

[@npvols4321]

It's true

[@npvols4321]

@Hi There well fortunately for us there are tons of videos on KZbin that confirm that your full of shit sport. It's a simple matter of velocity. 55 grain fmj is moving around 3250 ft per second vs the larger yet slower 7.62 at around 2450 ft per second. It's called physics.

[@DevilDaRebel]

Np vols It also depends on the stopping power the round delivers. A 7 62 nato will have more power thus penetrating more than a 5 56 despite traveling 400 fp/s slower. This is the reason the military is trying to up the caliber, due to lack of penetration of body armor. Simply, while the bullet travels fast it does not contain enough mass to deliver enough force to penetrate certain plates.

[@akibru2535]

2:57 It’s very controversial what you just said they’re the funny thing is you probably have no idea Ned Kelly is considered a hero among many people 5;13 Fax

[@Taskandpurpose]

seriously if you look trough the comments there are dozens of angry pitch fork people about Ned Kelly. I had zero idea who the guy was, I read about him in a 1920's body armor book. I feel like I need to make a public apology to his estate now haha

[@akibru2535]

Task & Purpose Don’t worry what really angers me is all the Chinese people who are getting shot by 22 rounds

[@RoyalDog214]

@@Taskandpurpose You owe it to watch Extra Credits video series on Ned Kelley

[@ChemySh]

@@RoyalDog214 but exercise caution because many of EC's history vids are misleading at best, propaganda at worst

[@communistpotato3204]

@@ChemySh they tend to be quite biased

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

I can only imagine having to carry those massive mgs during patrol everyday. Are they enough effective to justify the sacrifice of the poor man assigned to carry it?

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

Best thing about the IOTV was that even the company that designed it thought the military was joking when they said they wanted to use it for infantry. It was intended to be worn in vehicles to help with survival rate for IEDs and ambushes and then dropped.

[@fredcollins8919]

Thank God it was dropped

[@co1onial_fish962]

0:07 when the guns too heavy and you have got to get some help from your 3rd leg

[@Rezail_Uhhh]

Hmm i want a third arm. Mostly to hold my beer.

[@thomasbrand2650]

You only mentioned it in passing, but The ability to apply a tourniquet is very important and should be considered when developing this kind of armored suit. All armor fails and has weak spots. I can't apply an effective tourniquet on a casualty's leg if there's a metal frame in the way. I also have to be able to drag/carry that casualty to cover. Can I do that when he's encased in a full suit? Can I strip my casualty to assess further injuries? Apply a chest seal, pressure bandage, take vitals, administer fluids, etc. Or is this guy so encased in armor that it will cost someone their life because treating them will be so difficult? And then think about evac for them. Birds can only take a limited amount of weight, and this armor looks like it weighs as much as another person. A simple vest can go on a bird with the casualty, but I suspect a full exosuit can't. That means the guys staying behind will have to take it, and that'd be another huge hindrance to the mission.

[@Taskandpurpose]

yeah this was exactly the first thought that came to mind when I saw the exoskeleton. I'm assuming they will have some kind of quick release like they did with the IOTV where you could pull a string and the whole thing instantly came apart. Even still you bring up other good points like who then has to carry that sensitive item after its been removed etc.

[@focusedfuture7612]

@@Taskandpurpose this is what I was thinking. If they have some kind of quick release built in, it can help reduce fatigue and chance of injury. If it needs to be removed, you can do so quickly

[@richardrobinson4869]

Weight carried is vital i totally agree. I think it is needed to come right down.

[@johntoddman7230]

Best channel on KZbin! Thanks for another great video!

[@user-cy4en8jn7w]

I mean the 1960s and 70s where when body armor was reintroduced properly imo. With the flak vest in Vietnam and the Soviets using armor in the 1980s more often

[@1980Baldeagle]

Hell I'd run a fleshlight on the end of the third arm contraption. Maybe a cup holder with a Ripit in there??!!

[@Taskandpurpose]

this guys been over there he gets it hahah

[@marksman303]

I could see the cup holder mod happening real fucking quick.

[@rainmanusmc2687]

Same, or at least a rip it dispenser.

[@TresonBerry]

"he's gonna do it. He's gonna do it" lol

[@mixmaster2909]

4:23 well actually the first body armor the US used that was capable of stopping 7.62×39 was the small arms protective vest which was used by US forces in Vietnam but not issued on a large scale because its weight was 23 pounds with front and back plate and flak vest including that with the hot humid jungle and having to carry loads of extra gear for you and your squad it was not widely used however in the situations that the vest found itself in it proved very reliable and was credited by the troops who wore it for saving their life unfortunately it was mostly used by pilots and sentry's and troops who weren't moving all the time like artilley crewmen and gunners on guntrucks but it was the first body armor issued by the US military that was reliable in stopping small arms

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for adding some extra details I wasn't aware of that and thanks for watching!

[@g550ted5]

Ceramic armor far predates when you stated here. US Army helicopter crews had composite ceramic body armor in Vietnam from the mid-'60s. We called them "chicken plates", and they consisted of a carrier holding a chest and back plate that was demonstrated to be able to stop a 12.7mm/.50cal armor piercing round at an angle of incidence of 15 deg or greater. Similar armor was designed into the pilot seats of UH-1 series helicopters during and after that time. I have a couple of friends whose life was saved by the body armor, and more (including myself) who were saved by the Huey's ceramic seat armor made by General Dynamics. Me, my wife and family are forever grateful!

[@XxBloggs]

Love the mix of military and comedy. Keep it up