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[@TastingHistory]

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[@ViieRahOfficial]

Does bright cellers ship to Australia. I have very little money but I would like to use bright cellers in future as I'm a massive wine fan!

[@buck5200]

the AI art or the AI upscaled art is not a good look. I think most people would prefer the use of unaltered historical visuals than whatever we've got here. edit: man just look at the vague mess of shapes in the background that are supposed to be people at 15:16

[@rainkeltoia]

I wish Bright Cellars was in Canada!!

[@truckerallikatuk]

PS: Max - Brioche isn't cake, it's a sweet bread (about as sweet as standard US bread) that takes less flour to make. Shame on you for the error.

[@chezmoi42]

@@buck5200 ??? Looks fine to me, and I see nothing to indicate that it's been altered in any way - only the hummingbird image was played with. Sounds like you need to increase the quality of your YT image. Click on the 'settings' symbol (the little gear at the bottom of the vid), choose 'quality', and select a higher resolution.

[@caitlinlucyhenderson8417]

According to family legend, I have an ancestor who, in her 90s, decided she was too old to eat food she didn’t like anymore, so she ate nothing but toast and chocolate until her death.

[@humblesparrow]

So proud of her! 🙂

[@frankkiejo5560]

🥂🥰👍🏾🥂

[@TheMariangel95]

I'm gonna that when I get old, eat nothing but whatever I like

[@neruneri]

Makes sense to me!

[@jcortese3300]

My mom and my aunt were the same way: they watched everything they ate for all their lives, and when they hit their 80s, they were like, "It worked! Where's the ice cream?"

[@Rodieck1234]

Louis getting captured because he wanted to stop for some wine and cheese is possibly the most French thing I’ve ever heard 😆

[@angelabby2379]

if i was Marie i would have left him long time ago 💀, idk why she always insist they went together or stay together... that's her downfall for being loving

[@angelabby2379]

@@gaymalewitch you dum az have half naked man as your profile picture! also Marie isn't trying to divorce him you dimwits. The ministers all advised Marie and the Royal heir to leave France and seek refuge in Austria when all the noble and Aristocrat scramble to get out of France, she refused to do so! even when they escaped, she also refused to use 2 carriages so they won't suspect it was the royal family, she insisted that they all travel together, yes it's called being loving. just shut up if you literally are so uneducated, you don't even know what you are talking about! go back to your weird por..no

[@ussinussinongawd516]

@@angelabby2379 girl she was ambitious she needed him with her so they could restore france's monarchy when they returned with a foreign army, but louis needed a snack.

[@angelabby2379]

@@ussinussinongawd516 ... uh what💀 Marie didn't need him since she already has her son, the future king! and what Louis XVI gotta do? she didn't need him at all, the ministers literally adviced her to take the dauphin out to Austria and perhaps strike a deal with her nephew so the austrian descend on france and crushed it and put the dauphin back on the throne with her nephew's daughter as Queen of France. Marie refused! she wouldn't leave her husbands, this happen multiple times even the last escape attempt.... when her lover axel von fersen advise for them to go separately you are so uneducated, pls shut up next time

[@angelabby2379]

@@ussinussinongawd516 ambitious my foot! 💀

[@patrikhjorth3291]

"Use as much chocolate as you want." Sweeter words were never spoken.

[@fedra76it]

I need someone to tell me exactly this. Preferably on a daily basis 😆

[@patrikhjorth3291]

@@fedra76it Print it out in a nice font, frame it and hang it somewhere prominent in your home?

[@mirandarensberger6919]

@@fedra76it Simona, use as much chocolate as you want!

[@MedievalSolutions]

"use as much chocolate as you want" - makes 100kg chocolate bar instead

[@eleo_b]

For me, it would be no chocolate at all, as I hate chocolate!

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

I like to eat sweets when stressed so I completely understand Marie. What do you expect a 15 year old to do alone in a foreign country? She wasn’t even allowed to mention her home country or family.

[@oldasyouromens]

If I was the wealthiest 15 year old in Europe and I could have my own personal pastry chef and chocolatier, I would be hitting those guys up constantly.

[@batacumba]

@@oldasyouromensI’d weigh 500 lbs 😂

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

She actually aged and had a group of kids She was not 15 but for a year

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

@@YeshuaKingMessiah yeah and then she was 16, 17, and THEN 18. Still all in the teens. Even today, having a kid at 19 is still considered a teen pregnancy by medical standards. I can’t defend her past that though

[@бронза.вафля.конус]

​@@batacumbacan't eat gluttonously while wearing a corset unfortunately

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Fun Fact: The Costume Designer for ‘Marie Antoinette’ (2006) said that she was inspired by the desserts in the French Court.

[@PooNinja]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@abdulsamadchanna1243]

is the movie clip used in the video from this movie?

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@abdulsamadchanna1243 Yes.

[@resolecca]

Fun fact: Jeanne Bécu, Comtesse du Barry the courtesan of maries annoinette father in law, makes a cameo in that movie is my ancestor

[@alexeiulinici]

@@bugmarmalade Googled that converse remark. Nice! Didn't know about that ^^

[@PokhrajRoy.]

The freaky part about Marie Antoinette was not only was she thrust into spotlight at a very young age but that there would be courtiers watching the Royal Couple like it’s a Reality TV Show minus the TV.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

Keeping Up With The Habsburg-Lorraines

[@ragnkja]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 When a queen gave birth, you can bet there were loads of people watching to make sure nobody did any sort of switcheroo.

[@harbl99]

There's a really sweet story of a young Marie-Antoinette and Mozart running around one of the Habsburg palaces hand-in-hand getting into trouble together when they were seven or so. Marie-Antoinette, who was a nice-but-dim girl who loved music, said she wanted to marry Mozart instead of some boring old prince.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Of course the British royal family is very Reality TV before “reality TV” was a genre too! I guess old habits die hard.

[@billklatsch5058]

They shipped in her brothers to investigate why there was no offspring, their report to their mom includes that the king had rather excellent erections but he only put it in once then wished the queen a good night and rolled around to sleep, the closing words of the report contains 'diletants'.

[@lise7538]

A lot of the dislike she elicited at the french court actually comes from the fact that one, she was unfamiliar with the culture and two, she was still a teenager and no amount of training could have prepared her for the role of Dauphine of France. So it seems only logical she would have had troubles navigating the intricacies of french etiquette and offended some people. Besides, she would have been accustomed to having a lot of privacy at the court of Vienna, which was absent at the french court, where the royal family was constantly exposed. Her relationship with Louis XVl didn't start well, but they grew fond of one another and Louis gifted her a private mansion called Le petit Trianon where she could be alone, because he knew how much she valued her solitude. Sadly it only increased the French court's distrust in her and further tarnished her reputation because it was said she entertained lovers there.

[@mrinalkiran7013]

I also think that when people have already decided to hate someone, they will get offended by everything the person does. She was not liked because people didn't like the alliance. She also probably didn't know how to "people-please" the aristocracy in a way that they may have wanted (you know, giving them favors)... That's enough for people to taint your reputation... Maybe if she was alive in this era, she would have been seen as a role model for valuing her personal space, not letting her boundaries crossed, etc.

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

I hate the idea that solitude is a vice. I get what Marie Antoinette felt there; sometimes being alone is the best thing.

[@mimisezlol]

Some royals are just the wrong people in the worst possible position they could be in.

[@mellie4174]

it really had more to do with the fact that she was Viennese. The French did NOT want an alliance with vienna and so, she as the symbol and literal cause of that alliance took the brunt of it. Also the people and the revolution needed a scape goat. She didn't do any of the things they convicted her of, such as incest with her child, adultery, and all the other crazy accusations they made. But it's easier to blame an outsider, a foreigner etc. So they killed her husband first because how dare he marry a viennese and then they killed her because they were afraid the people would rally around her. So many people tried to save her. Even Thomas Jefferson who was ambassador at the time and his wife, the English royalty, etc. Her husband was a royal idiot as well as incompetent and he is why they were all killed. The children were later starved to death. Granted the change to democracy that followed the revolution was good, but the way it was done was horrible. It was a horrible time in french history.

[@fatkart7641]

And that's why monarchy (and religion / politics by extention) should be illegal and punishable by molten sugar enemas.

[@PB-tr5ze]

Hearing how medication was mixed with chocolate reminds me of when my mom was going through chemo, she suffered some really bad side effects from the treatments and needed some very strong pain killers, but they tasted awful so it made it difficult to take. So I would mix her painkillers into chocolate pudding for her and it made it far easier for her to take. My mom probably didn't care much for how the pudding tasted with the medication, but she loved chocolate so I think she tolerated it because she knew I would give her unadulterated pudding after she ate the medicted one. I kinda wish I knew about the medicated chocolate Marie Antoinette ate, I think my mom would have found it amusing to be served the same chocolate a queen ate.

[@lise7538]

I am sorry about your dear mother, you seem like a very kind person and I am sure you were perfect when taking care of her, and that she wouldn't have wished anything to be different.

[@inisipisTV]

I hope you’re mother is doing better.

[@Taolan8472]

If she is still with you, you could always try to get or make some as a commemorative. If she is no longer with you, you could always try some in memoriam.

[@SewardWriter]

I'm so sorry about your mom. The way you write, it sounds like she didn't make it. May her memory be a blessing. 💖 I need to remember this tip for later. Thank you!

[@spindleblood]

My mom used to do this for me when I was little! She used Hershey's syrup which in retrospect, was kinda revolting but 5 year old me loved it lol.

[@nicm9600]

“She drank sugar water, like a hummingbird.” Max you’re killing me this episode 😂

[@jackxiao9702]

She forgot to mention the third ingredient; purple.

[@Franky_Sthein]

A magical kitchen with space for 1,51 million people. So that we can watch Max live. Sound like a life goal to me.

[@Piemasta9000]

With none of the running!

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

Well, I suppose it's a good thing that the spoilage of the broth is dependent on the number of chefs and not the number of guests.

[@waynebimmel6784]

The parking will be a nightmare

[@FlorenceB12]

@@waynebimmel6784 not if we used floo powder and hide it from the muggles, a truly magical time

[@trogdor8764]

I mean that's basically just a livestream

[@breadandbrews]

Just what I need this holiday season: more chocolate

[@TastingHistory]

Always

[@Radio-97]

There’s no ‚too much chocolate‘ as there‘s never enough sugar for Marie Antoinette 😂

[@panqueque445]

"She brought her own chocolate maker from Vienna" She was living the dream

[@CountessKitten]

Until she was beheaded, after her husband, and her children were orphaned to the very barbarians who beheaded their parents..

[@n.w.flannel3463]

Until it became a nightmare, you mean.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

Yeah but it turned into a nightmare…

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I mean, imagine all of us subscribers gathering around Max and watching him eat, heaving sighs at every micro expression. So happy we can do all that from the comfort of our homes.

[@DianeGraft]

I watched him eat fish pudding several times. His sequence of expressions was epic!

[@nothingruler14All]

@@DianeGraft Yeah, the faces he makes on tasting the items are classic, especially when he doesn't like them.

[@Raevynwing]

@@DianeGraft I just looked that one up so I can check it out. Thank you.

[@kellysouter4381]

It just sounds weird when you put it like that.😄

[@fulanodominicano]

:Q_________

[@jokepp]

As an Austrian living in Vienna I have to say that your pronunciation of "Kipferl" is very cute, but also surprisingly spot-on 😄

[@pmberkeley]

He's like the classical music radio station personalities but for food! (They always have impeccable pronunciation of the composers and piece names, regardless of the language).

[@brucetidwell7715]

He probably consulted at least two different native speakers and practiced for several hours. Max takes great pride in his pronunciation. It really is admirable, especially with some of the more esoteric ones.

[@jarkov1293]

To be a 100% perfect, he should have rolled the r in Maria Theresia in the back. But I'm always really impressed with Max' pronunciation, and there are enough Austrians who aren't able to do this very minute detail.

[@MedusaMrigesh]

better than any German I've encountered haha

[@221b-l3t]

​@@jarkov1293 Currently live in Austria and I'd say it's 50/50 between rolled "r" or not. People from the countryside more so than city folk.

[@mzfreddie]

A hummingbird Marie Antoinette is not something I thought I needed. But I am glad it is now in my life.

[@jasminv8653]

nearly made me swallow my chewing gum from laughing

[@paulmaccaroni]

I laughed too hard

[@mattrobson3603]

I was thinking 'More like a modern American', given that soda is basically sugar water.

[@chezmoi42]

@@jasminv8653 I read that as: a hummingbird nearly made you a swallow. Bird magic!

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

That single moment was just perfect.

[@lhfirex]

"Let them watch Tasting History" - Marie Antoinette

[@shogun2215]

I love that you (whether deliberately or accidentally) made the biscuits look like a British biscuit called 'Vienese Whirls'

[@TastingHistory]

😂 they do!

[@petergray7576]

French Chopin, liquide= 0.465 liters (15.72 oz) Septier is an alternative term for a Chopin. And in case you're wondering (which I know you're not), a 1/2 chopin is called a tasse, and a 1/2 tasse is called a demiard. There are other units of measure also called chopins, just to needlessly complicate everything. The Chopin sèche (dry chopin) is equivalent to 0.55 liters, and the Scottish "chopine" is 0.848 liters (because Scots could hold their whiskey way better than those fufu Frenchmen). Tune in for the next Episode of Drinking History as Max explores other archaic liquid measuring units like the gill and the Scottish mutchkin!

[@SombreroPharoah]

I kinda was wondering lol. Thank you. These little bits n bobs are oddly soothing to learn tidbits

[@petergray7576]

@@SombreroPharoah One more clarification: Don't confuse a chopin/chopine (unit of measure) with the chopine, a shoe with an elevated heel popular in France between the 14th and 16th centuries.

[@arifhossain9751]

​@@petergray7576 or Chopin. the composer.

[@johnstrand7456]

Hmmm - maybe that's where the little coffee cup I know as a "demitasse" comes from??

[@cati101]

Loved this! Great info.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Learning just what they did to her son filled me with so much rage.

[@TastingHistory]

Heartbreaking. Everything about her trial was messed up.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@TastingHistory At least some still had enough conscience to take the one who coerced the son into accusing her to the guillotine himself when they realized just what he had done.

[@slwrabbits]

What, oof, now I need to hit up google.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@slwrabbits Basically tortured one son to falsely accuse her of molestation so they could kill her. Her last words were begging her (Unbeknownst to her already dead) husband to keep the kids safe. Nobody cheered. "Let them eat Cake" may well have been constructed/reemphasized after the fact as PR to cover for the whole "executing a caring mother" thing. Then they let the boy waste away thinking his mother wasn't visiting because she hated him for breaking under torture and making up lies about her.

[@craigsawyer6453]

We are not "watching you eat"... we are dining with you. We drink in the history, savor the recipes and desert on your humor.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I often 'tune in' for a new episode while eating lunch or dinner.

[@daotherkorean2509]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine me too! It elevates the experience lol

[@jellysharkbat]

@@daotherkorean2509 I have a snack at this very moment so I can munch on something while I watch :D

[@somedragonbastard]

I watched this one while making some brownies. Not very fancy, but hey, brownies are good

[@MarvinT0606]

Tasting History Mukbang confirmed

[@thefightinggameplayer]

Chocolate, history and a Sylveon plushie. Another amazing video with another amazingly appropriate Pokémon plushie.

[@Zillah82]

Stephanie from Chateau Diaries did a video on hot chocolate in France during that time and even mentioned that at her country house in Versailles, Marie Antoinette had a special pot that was used for making hot chocolate. Pretty fascinating stuff. I definitely need to make these recipes. Thanks Max!

[@TastingHistory]

Stephanie is a good friend!

[@CaptHollister]

As usual, Max Miller did a really good job of learning the proper pronunciation of names and places. Such a pleasure to hear. I live in Varennes (Québec) and Max just said the name naturally and properly. I wonder if the "Viennese bread" to which Marie-Antoinette was said to be accustomed was in fact a Danish. What English speakers call a Danish is called a Viennoiserie (which we might translate as "something typically from Vienna") in French, a word which also designates other types of bread-like pastries. To add to this hypothesis, in Denmark the "Danish" is called a "Viennese bread".

[@ragnkja]

Wienerbrød date back to 1843, and are inspired by modern croissants.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

Max is very good at accents and seems to spend a lot of time practising to get them right. Except with ERBS. I am going to start a petition to lobby Max to add back the H.

[@CaptHollister]

@@FireflyOnTheMoon Well, he's American, so I say he's allowed to use the standard US pronunciation and say erbs. Good luck with your petition, though.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@FireflyOnTheMoon what if I told you that people only started saying the H in herbs in Britain in Victorian times, and the “American” pronunciation is how we said it for a long time in the UK? Essentially it’s a byproduct of the Victorian moral panic around the working classes dropping their H-es (such as “‘ow you doin?”), and so the toffs started adding them back in even where they were never present before!

[@CaptHollister]

@@ragnkja Oh well, so much for my clever hypothesis. I'll drown my sorrow with one of my wife's homemade doughnuts. They're not Danish and they're not Viennese, but they are still very good.

[@peabody1976]

"Since they're for a queen, I'm gonna do swirls". I've been there, Max. 😉 I like that the recipes together are two whole eggs and two egg whites, and you can use the remaining yolks for something else. And I love chocolate, so that's also a plus!

[@maylisthevenot4518]

I'm French, and I must say, hearing you saying "crème de chocolat" with your soft and elegant accent (really good, in fact) makes the whole video even more enjoyable !

[@royalladybug30]

I swear Max needs to do a pop up restaurant like a traveling historical kitchen going around to.ghost kitchen or a traveling food trucks with historical foods and entertaining historical facts.

[@TastingHistory]

That sounds exhausting

[@ragnkja]

Probably not on his own, but perhaps as a collaboration with a professional chef?

[@royalladybug30]

@Ragnhild I was thinking small, special events with limited seating/tickets. Chief version of a stand up show.

[@mercerholt8299]

@@royalladybug30 I could see this being a mini series during fair season.

[@MichaelOKC]

@@mercerholt8299 You know, maybe a series on Historical fair food!!

[@DLFH]

It's interesting how stories even some time after her death were at best gossip. And this recipe reminds me of the chocolate mousse and French silk combination I make for a death by chocolate dessert.

[@aejss4]

Beautiful desserts! So glad that you included how to fix seized chocolate. I hear from so many people that their chocolate seizes and they just throw it out. It makes me sad because it can be fixed by adding a little fat, like you mentioned.

[@sarahallegra6239]

Great episode! I appreciate that you looked at all the stories about Marie Antoinette with a pinch of salt; almost everyone writing about her at the time (or shortly after her death) had an agenda and we need to remember that. For anyone interested in learning more about her, the book Queen of Fashion is FANTASTIC. It’s almost forensic in how much detail it goes into, but it’s still a very fascinating read and not at all dry. I highly recommend it!

[@GrammarSplaining]

Speaking of a pinch of salt, I'm wondering why there wasn't one in either of these recipes.

[@kayt8598]

Thanks for the recommendation.

[@beth12svist]

​@@GrammarSplaining Because Europeans often don't put salt in desserts. That seems to be more of an American thing? Not sure. (It certainly does subtly improve pastry in my experience, but I would not put it in anything like these either.)

[@ChristChickAutistic]

I read a book on Wattpad called The Minister of Fashion, about Rose Bertin, Marie's dressmaker and considered the first fashion designer. It also tells the story of Marie's hairstylist Leonard Autie, who was the first celebrity hairstylist. Really good read.

[@mellie4174]

Fun fact! I live in France and you can go into any grocery store and buy ready made crème au chocolat made only with eggs, milk, cream and sugar. They come in little glass jars with a gold foil lid on top. It's lovely! so pure and so delicious! Now i'm going to think about poor marie antoinette every time I eat one.

[@laydarr]

When he mentioned people watching the royalty eat, I turned to my husband and said, "so it was a medieval mukbang"

[@beth12svist]

Technically Modern, actually.

[@star-vs8qn]

It wasn't midieval 😭😭😭😭

[@BobUikder-ig4uq]

medieval? bruh come on 😂💀 it was the 1700’s not medieval at all

[@CatBahptista]

Medieval………..? No.

[@SolRise_yt]

Would be so cool if you dove into the history of Danish 'Risengrød' or 'Risalamande'. It's a classic Christmas Rice porridge dish both savory and sweet!

[@ragnkja]

Risalamande is not “risengrød”, but a dessert made _with_ rice pudding.

[@marcusfridh8489]

Risgrynsgröt og ris a la malta på svensk

[@anitapaulsen3282]

Risengrød is rice porridge (made with milk) and risalamande is a dessert made from rice cooked in milk, with sugar, finely minced almonds and almond extract stirred in while still warm. This is refrigerated overnight, then whipped cream is folded in. It is served with a red cherry sauce spooned on top.

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

@@anitapaulsen3282 I used to make rice pudding at Christmas time every year. My family is Swedish American, and we still maintain some of the food traditions.

[@drunkclouds888]

risalamande is the best

[@veranichole1981]

Thank you so much for not leaving us to Disney! I know they miss you but we would miss you more! You bring joy to history and food lovers everywhere and your voice is like a warm cup of hot cocoa.

[@helensernett9477]

I often wonder what the post was that Max left at Disney. I know he has mentioned working cruises. But I’m not sure that was the position he left during the pandemic. I too am glad he provides us these wonderful videos!

[@katesedivy-haley2572]

@@helensernett9477 this is the video where he talks about leaving Disney (the title was a bit of a fake-out because many first assumed he was quitting Tasting History): kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHnTnKR4e7CgrKM

[@TheCynicalblue]

The way you said the name of the dish was absolutely on point, you can tell you work damn hard at not just the research but also the pronunciation and learning the culture of origin of the dish.

[@BrigitteRieser]

And the same for the Kipfel, properly pronounced, in the Austrian / Viennese style. Cudos!

[@bryanparkhurst17]

Again Max, one of the reasons I love your show is because of the attention to detail you put in to it. And again, I appreciate the fact that you take the time to pronounce whatever language with precision and clarity. Great recipe, great history lesson.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

More than her last meal, I’ve always been interested in Marie Antoinette’s last words: “Pardonnez-moi, monsieur.” as she bumped into someone on the way to the guillotine.

[@AB-gk8cs]

Some said it was actually her executioner, which he stept on the feet.

[@Kat_3219]

She said that to her executioner! She stepped on his foot.

[@morrigankasa570]

The French Revolution was an awful thing! The populace destroyed so much history and culture in their misguided/stupid attacks. Long live the Royalty & Nobility!

[@DarkQueenHelba]

Oh that was Charles-Henri Sanson, the royal executioner. Apparently the Sanson family had the Executioners of Paris since his great-grandfathers time. He was also instrumental in the adoption of the guillotine. The more you know~~~

[@ihatepower4580]

@@morrigankasa570 history is worthless if the people behind it no longer exists

[@aiden3627]

I’ve heard that she loved children so much that she sponsored many orphans and offered them the opportunity to get education to give them a chance at a good life

[@PokhrajRoy.]

On an unrelated note, Abby Cox had a video on gifting ideas and one of the KZbinrs featured mentioned your book and how they loved the channel. Thought you’d like to know.

[@TastingHistory]

So cool! Thank you for letting me know 🥰

[@Burning_Dwarf]

Ofcourse, i knew it. The costubers love Max.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@TastingHistory It’s this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXbCgn2El8hjhck

[@Anastas1786]

Regarding the sobriety of Marie Antoinette: Is it possible she was _offered_ wine at dinner and with her "en case" more or less as a matter of _custom_ (it is _France,_ after all), but that she'd never or only rarely actually _drink_ it?

[@daisyjohnson7588]

I wonder if the fact she only had one bottle of wine at night (at most) really was remarkable sobriety for royals of the day

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

Perhaps she just had the rationality to avoid drinking during a very public dinner with everyone watching who could turn a slightly drunken mistake against her.

[@stephenballard3759]

That's what made the most sense to me. She was probably VERY careful to appear very ladyl-ike, and keep her poise and class at such a public dinner. Adinner like that had to be an appearance, an event, even a show, as much as a chance to simply eat. To turn into a giggling little lush, or to put on a spectacle of gluttony would have been gauchè. You can always eat and have a little warmer later, before bed. Also, the chamber maid said "Sobriety", not abstinence. Maybe she just had clear ideas about her limits.

[@300books]

Maybe after the very public dinner where she drank only water, she needed to unwind with a good bottle of wine in private.

[@beth12svist]

​@@stephenballard3759 I was wondering about the "sobriety". The other thing is, of course, that it's a translation and the translation may well have been done with a bias of its own so it would be interesting to know what the original said and what range of meanings it may cover.

[@tackledkey3044]

A video about Marie Antoinette, one of my fave historical figures, the day before my birthday? Sweet! Thank you Max, I've loved your videos since I first watched the garum episode!

[@TastingHistory]

Happy almost birthday!

[@Faeriedarke]

A tale of Two Cities is my favourite Dickens book, so I found this fascinating. Just recently I watched a video here on yt about Marie Antionette's children, and what happened to them. It made me so sad. I think history has not been kind to her, and she wasn't monstrous, as she is often depicted. It's true that the victors write history, and it often is far more nuanced than what we are presented with. Thanks for all the wonderful work you do, bringing history to life.♥

[@TheDeisasori]

At the very least, real historians are the one that will publish what truly happened, and write down the source too.

[@nrb27]

Sobriety doesn't always mean not drinking alcohol, it can just mean controlled in general terms. The misunderstanding probably comes from the English language not keeping the original meaning the latin word had, which is actually "temperance". I suppose the comment meant to say she had self control and ate in moderation, her meals also looked quite simple for royalty standards.

[@ironyelegy]

yessss an honest video about marie, and here of all places... fascinating tysm

[@AE-ld9ck]

My family’s Kifli recipe is about 110yrs old, and whenever we made Kifli my grandparents would have it with their coffee every morning. Kifli can be filled with basically anything, I prefer apricot and strawberry but there are nut mixtures that are delicious and a bit more savory if that’s your preference. They really do taste very good at breakfast and with coffee or tea… 👀

[@Jakvir_]

Love your uploads, I always watch them with my wife on my lunch break and we always look forward to them. You probably get alot of suggestions but might I suggest making a video on the dish Casabe. It's a dish from the Taino and in Isla de Mona (Puerto Rico) it is thought that they were the only ones to not be forced to get gold since they liked it alot and didn't have bread.

[@TastingHistory]

I’ll have to look that up!

[@Jakvir_]

@@TastingHistory Here's a good video on it, hope you've been practicing your Spanish 😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/maGZlqR_gp6iga8

[@billiewhipple4967]

One of things I most appreciate about your channel is the background music. Not only do you keep the volume down so we can hear you, but it's always classical (or Baroque, or Renaissance, or...) as befits a historical presentation. Thank you!!

[@mozeskertesz6398]

13:11: Kipferl is widespread around the whole ex-Habsburg Empire. It's usually eaten with butter, but because this use makes quite bit of mess, we usually just dip it in coffee or chocolate milk. We also do it with many other types of pastry, like sweet bread, croissants, etc. The main point is to not make a big mess.

[@michelguevara151]

it is actually said in france that she was shocked, "they have no bread?! but?!? but *we* have cake!"

[@GogiRegion]

This is actually a much more believable story, and one where I can easily see how it developed into the story we have today.

[@angelabby2379]

she never said such thing... no one really tell her whats going on since she didn't really have power or authority her only job is to produce male heir... and spend money as Queen

[@300books]

Is there an historical evidence that she actually spoke those words ("we have cake!)?

[@angelabby2379]

@@300books no

[@thenablade858]

She never said either. Both would indicate the same thing: That she was incredibly isolated and not very intelligent. In reality, of course she knew about the financial crisis occurring. That’s why Louis reinstated the popular finance minister Turgot who was unfortunately unable to assist adequately.

[@andylucas5770]

On the Sponsor moment, I’m a Bright Cellars subscriber, and literally had the Palette Knife blend last night. It’s LOVELY 😊❤

[@Firegen1]

"Qu'ils manget de la brioche" A half baked statement From a princess But not that one The powdered sugar Or chocolate powder As much as would cake a face Facing the truths Hidden in the petit calomnie To cleanse my palate Something a little ruddier Than her preferred pink cheek A mirrored palace That felt so sweet Until it truly wasn't Piled high across fineries From handmaid gowns Sobriety of little biscuits and fine poultry Poundage of sugar Even when she drank her water The sweetest bread to start a morning Before she flew from danger Caught partially for a flight of fancy Her life has been mixed with salty stories Yet the truth is more complex And violently undone

[@TastingHistory]

This one is one of my favorites yet!

[@Firegen1]

@Tasting History with Max Miller Thanks Boss! I thought you'd have my head for my bad French Merci mon roi!

[@janetmackinnon3411]

"sobrity of little biscuits" is a wonderful expression! Thank you

[@Firegen1]

@Janet MacKinnon Thank you Janet! 😊

[@daniellloyd4993]

I have to admit that I laughed at the idea of nobles saying "there is the king's meat" with admiration

[@devistater6558]

Max Miller, you have been awesome. Exactly the channel I was looking for a few years back. I love traditional foods, but do not have the wherewithal to try and read some of the real old cook books. Thank you, and I'll keep copycatting a lot of these recreations you do!

[@arinnewaller7515]

If you put a towel u der the bowl while using the handmixer it will keep it from moving when adding things to the mix. I absolutely love your channel and tell everyone. Hubby and i have made several recipes, the parthian chicken my baby girl absolutely loves and she is such a picky eater. Can't wait for the book!

[@VicAndVann]

"She drank sugar water ... like a hummingbird" had me dying 💀💀💀

[@aerden2]

Her poor teeth! I can only imagine how bad they must have been, if she drank sugar water often.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Koolaids Hi-C Gatorades POP Iced teas Ice coffees They have prob far more sugar She was ahead of her time!

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

@@aerden2exactly as are teeth today Decaying in the mouths

[@matthewharter6134]

Marie Antoinette was perhaps the most misunderstood and misquoted person in all of history. Thanks for the vid Max, Merry Christmas!

[@DIEGhostfish]

What happened to her and her son who was forced to falsely accuse her makes me wish for a time machine and several machineguns to deal with the revolution.

[@joshuakim5240]

@@DIEGhostfish Especially considering how Robespierre was probably the closest thing that history got to a supervillain in terms of mannerism and impact on society. The guy's rule was literally called "The Reign of Terror" ffs.

[@NoNeedNoGreed]

@@DIEGhostfish You'd want to go around killing the poor and starving to save the rich and oppulent?

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@NoNeedNoGreed Leaders of the terror weren't poor or starving. Nor would I care id they were, evil is evil. And they were evil.

[@NoNeedNoGreed]

@@DIEGhostfish And your thinking sounds very aligned with evil too.

[@finfan83]

Yay ! Max feeds us chocolate ! Max feeds us chocolate ! And tells people the fake saying is fake ! Dunno which I should be grateful for more ! You really are a blessing to all the internet folks Max ! Don't remember finding a channel so delighting and so useful as yours in many months, years maybe. It really makes waiting for your episodes a joy, like waiting for Santa and presents back then, when you still had dreams of great presents each year, not just new face cream and socks. What surprises me in the recipe is that they are calling for "setting the biscuits on sheets of paper", was there baking paper used then, at XVIII century ? Thought it's a pretty recent invention, and all the previous generations had to rely on greased tins and pans.

[@edman1357]

Oh, yeah, I forgot that Max didn't eat his recipes on camera in old videos. He described the taste and his thoughts, but didn't show him eating. It's kinda funny thinking that people wanting to watch royals eat as odd, but here we were thinking it weird that Max wasn't eating on camera for us 😂

[@stephaniekrutzler7895]

U might already know this, but there was a custom at the time in which a newly Wed couple would go up to the bedroom after the wedding accompanied by the royal Court. The court would watch as the couple consummated the marriage.

[@jessicapigeau1798]

I mean, I find it perfectly normal to expect a cooking presenter to eat on camera (though I didn't find it odd when he didn't), but I would find it very odd if we insisted on a president or prime minister doing so regularly. Meanwhile, I absolutely do expect a parliament to have cameras.

[@ragnkja]

@@stephaniekrutzler7895 They didn’t necessarily watch the act itself, but the witnesses definitely them getting into bed together, and pulled the blanket over the couple. A dozen witnesses for that was totally normal. And obviously, the door to the bridal chamber was guarded throughout the night, so they must have _heard_ them.

[@Pastadudde]

@@englishatheart the bed might have creaked...

[@user-et5ng4wy2i]

Thank you!!!!! Marie never said “let them eat cake” most people who know about her quote her as saying that but she never did. It’s refreshing to hear someone get it right when going over her history! I feel she didn’t stand a chance though, she was never fully welcomed by the french people and then she was used as a reason for the people to get upset with their monarchs at the time in hopes that they would want to overthrow their government. Louis and Marie were children when they got married and were very young when they started their reign. They made mistakes and they paid for it. I still love the history of Marie for being relatable in a time of so much pressure to perform and carry out her royal duties. She was in a foreign country, no family, no friends, married to a stranger who wouldn’t consummate their marriage over being naive and young himself. Everyone watching and scrutinizing her every move. She had no real authority making abilities or decision making authority so she used her time and money on fashion and amusing herself with projects like her little cottage and partying. Louis listened to bad advice from those around him, wanting to help the Americans by sending aide when his own people in France were starving. So Marie was used as propaganda in order to get the people upset and want to riot in the streets. I feel for her because she was forced into a world being so young and they both made big mistakes based on their youth and they paid the ultimate price with their lives, very sad but I remember them for being relatable, for handling the pressure around them regardless, for trying their best while being so naive. For sticking together until the very end. I feel for them and choose to remember them only for the good rather then remembering them for their mistakes.

[@johndelye3402]

The chocolate cremeux had recently been making the rounds on Instagram,lol. Basically what people in the South call a chocolate "boiled" custard with solid chocolate added to it instead of cocoa powder

[@marycampeau9378]

your history talk was so intense i forgot there was a recipe!

[@titanictwo183]

I could definitely see Marie Antonette not liking to eat in front of a large group as she was probably still shy. I've been to Versailles and got to see Marie Antonette's village, a little german style village away from the castle where she could be away from the eyes of the court and I was told that she liked to play peasant when she was there. She was married off at the age of 14 if I remember correctly, and when she arrived in France she was expected to BE french. So much so that when she arrived they took her dog that came with her and replaced it with a french breed of dog. A little extra history for you. :)

[@janette2422]

You made me truly cry, Max! Oh my gosh, Max is a hero with this!!!! I am a huge fan of the actual Marie Antoinette; she's oft maligned in art and the letters which the aristocracy wrote of her and the King doing unnamable acts was (and still is) so despicable in print, that the Museum in which they are stored refuses to show them. One must ask permission before seeing them. Her and Louis both have so much defamation unjustly put on them. I hope that people can do their own research and cure themselves of repeated lies and slander. Louise was unpopular and truly hated by the other royalty since he took the reigns and slack and was making them both PAY and reducing their salaries (so to speak)...and so these people stirred up the Common people-who were already duly hurting from the LAST King (who was TERRIBLE). The stuff that Max says that she was maligned with, was exactly for this reason. The other royalty were PISSED. There you have, the dreaded, horrific, Revolution. And France has never been the same. Thanks Max. You've really helped with an actual dream I have and dispelled especially that horrific 'let them eat cake'. You're awesome.

[@SSchithFoo]

Ohh really? how cute, does he ghost write to you or something? how do you know what the real person was like?

[@seronymus]

I marvel at your enthusiasm and knowledge on this topic, very endearing. I love reading about the martyrs of the Revolution

[@Lazydaisy646]

​@@SSchithFoosupercilious much?

[@katlynwebb8474]

I like the Slyveon plush on display and I bet Antoinette would’ve loved Pokémon like it because of her knack for beauty

[@peppermintpsaki1157]

8:57 when you learn that some monarchies had an audience to witness the consummation of their wedding night to ensure it was legit, being watched while eating doesn’t seem anywhere near as bad by comparison 😓

[@dangsood4945]

They did this in versailles too for a while I believe. The whole thing was a weirdly public spectacle. She had to be dressed in public as well, and there were no toilets in versailles so courtiers would just have to kind of pee in front of everyone into these travelling commode thingies which servatns would bring.

[@221b-l3t]

​@@dangsood4945 Yeah Marie and Louis had an audience for the first boink.

[@juliadagnall5816]

Most of the time the marriage wasn’t actually consummated on that occasion. The couple would be very publicly tucked up in bed together and sometimes greeted the next morning, but most of the time the marriage wouldn’t be consummated until later. In the case of Marie Antoinette and Louis much, much later. Since royal couples usually lived in separate apartments the whole thing was a bit of theater, a way to keep one of the parties involved from getting the marriage annulled after the wedding so they could back out of whatever treaty they signed and start courting someone else.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

The court was also at all births, the whole thing To verify the legitimacy of the birthlings

[@Waywren]

Beautiful. This is not my historical area, so I learned a lot, and I was glad to hear that you *did* point out that Marie couldn't have said that as it was written before she was born.

[@simoncleret]

When you're using two levels of your oven at the same time, it's best practice to place the top one in first in case there's any gunk stuck to the grate that gets shaken off in the process. If you place the bottom one first, you get an unwanted seasoning.

[@meowcenary21]

Hooray for chocolate! Please more historical recipes from this period, and more indigenous recipes.

[@crystalcastillo7575]

You’re so talented. I love your history food videos

[@ViieRahOfficial]

You should do a live cooking video, even if you have to read history off of a script, I think it would be absolutely amazing! Not to mention there could be tonnes of fan engagement while things cook in the oven or while they boil!

[@anitapaulsen3282]

He's done a couple of them. Here's one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4m6iqCKm55mg9U

[@ViieRahOfficial]

@@anitapaulsen3282 how did I miss this? I've been following this channel for years!

[@gelbadayah.sneach579]

The desire for eating to be a private matter is a particularity that I deeply sympathize with. Most sounds produced by eating can have a negative effect on auditory-tactile synesthesia. I have to pull my earbuds out and use subtitles for cooking videos when it gets to the eating portion. High quality mics pick up every juicy snap and squish and it makes me feel as if my skulk were full of bugs. Fun times. 😸

[@stevenpsychotex94]

Max, sir, by god you've done it again! How do you manage to make such incredibly entertaining food content while still appealing to us history nerds? 😁

[@anuragvats3740]

The biscuit looks like velvet. So smooth!

[@Skeloperch]

Amazing video. You really made me feel bad for Marie Antoinette. Excellent storytelling.

[@debramandich1462]

If you really want to feel for her listen to the Noble Blood podcast on her last days. Death must have been a relief from the psychological torture

[@ymotechnopopfan]

I feel the same.

[@eligoldman9200]

Hands down one of the best KZbin channels On the platform.

[@lorie76yt]

I can’t quite remember but I’ve watched this show since it was between 40 and 50,000 and the fact that it’s at 1.5 million and growing is literally awesome and well deserved 👍🏻 🤩

[@PhxVanguard]

To my mind, there are few more sympathetic characters in history, than Marie Antoinette. She got a bad wrap from childhood, and as oftentimes happened, was a scapegoat for the men (even her mother, the Empress) in her life. It's a shame her brother didn't push harder after they were moved to the Tuileries Palace, and it's a shame Louis was so indecisive and timid, both when attempting to flee and later when dealing with the Estates. For all of it's inaccuracies, I loved Kirsten Dunst as "Madame Deficit" in the Sofia Coppola film from 2006. Favorite part was at the very end: Louis: "Are you admiring your lime avenue?" Marie: "I'm saying goodbye..."

[@NoCyg]

The crème du chocolat, based on the ingredients and cooking method, is a from-scratch pudding (in the US sense of “pudding”), which in my family gets called custard to distinguish it from the store bought or mix kinds of pudding.

[@sophierenaude2164]

Your French pronunciation is very good :) And you have a lovely and subtle accent.

[@neonsamurai1348]

One small comment. Using modern powdered sugar would not be very authentic. Powdered sugar (aka Icing sugar) has a fair bit of cornstarch in it, which would not be in the original dish (corn starch was invented in the mid 1800s). Sugar back then would have come generally as sugar loafs, and would need to be ground down (powdered) to use in desert recipes. So superfine sugar would be much closer.

[@shirohanakurohana]

I have been watching these videos every day while eating my dinner or lunch and it is so fascinating to see and hear how things used to be like. Learning about feasts and beverages people had and how, well... People have been the same all this time. Yes, we got some more rules and defined new morals, but deep inside the core, we are all the same to some degree. We are happy about some cookies or hearty meals, unhappy when given bitter medicine... Some are overachievers, some in the middle and some lazy or aloof... To hear that we have been the same all this time, makes me feel more connected to these people in the past. Thanks for this video!

[@PokhrajRoy.]

6:55 So we can credit Marie Antoinette with ‘A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down’. Interesting.

[@punksoab]

It helps the medicine go down but does it help the blade go down too? Too soon?

[@varana]

I fear we can't - while she may have followed the advice, the saying is at least from ancient Rome, if not earlier.

[@Pastadudde]

@@punksoab I think you mean it helps the blade go THROUGH ..

[@Fuchsia_tude]

@@Pastadudde Nah it was both.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

It was unflavored pop Ppl quaff gallons w/o a thought now

[@gigglegrl7405]

Max, my friend, have you considered purchasing a mouli (rotary) grater? It saves your knuckles and makes light work of grating chocolate and cheese.

[@MonkeyBars1]

Nice job on this one!! You sped up your delivery to the perfect speed at normal playback, well done Max.

[@djdissi]

Don't know if it's still the case but up until the 1980s when i was still living in my home province of Quebec, a half-quart of milk sold in stores was called, in french, a 'chopine"

[@iamvictoriarae]

I clicked on this as soon as I saw it, I love learning about Marie Antoinette

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Very appropriate to have Mozart's Piano Concerto n. 20 playing at the end, though it's also the music that plays at the end of Amadeus, when poor Salieri is bestowing his absolution upon his fellow mediocrities.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

This was such a fun episode as always! I like learning about Marie Antoinette.

[@pcpeasantsgaming]

Thank you to the algorithm for introducing me to this amazing channel!

[@Mav3ricky]

I loved this episode! You are such a delight to watch, Max. I often put a playlist of your clips and watch and listen to them while I embroider (is that even a noun in English? 😂) and I love your manner of speaking and presenting, always interesting and engaging. Also, fun fact, bere in Bulgaria we still have this Viennese pastry, Kifli, even the name is the same! They are sweet but a bit denser, like a sweet bread, crescent shaped and very often filled with jam and sprinkled with sesame or poppy seeds. As a child, before school, I often ate ones with rosehip jam. Still love them to this day. Keep up the good work 🐱

[@RADICALFLOAT_95]

This video is actually genuinely underated and damm ❤😂🎉

[@tubeyhamster]

I love this episode, Max! Chocolate, meringues (or close to them), and French history!

[@Leto_0]

I'm currently in finals of my senior year and overdosing on tv and youtube to keep me going. Yours is one of the few youtube channels that can hold my interest at this point.

[@Burning_Dwarf]

Having a personal chocolatier, ain that the dream.

[@Emeraldlady10]

Absolutely love your show and I could listen to you talk for hours. Thank you so much for putting on an amazing series

[@frydemwingz]

Max has more people watch him eat on a regular basis than a French queen. That sounds like some kind of high tier middle school insult, but that didnt even cross my mind until he said it. That's pretty funny.

[@wrexvincent]

This is one of my favorite channels now, and I wish there were more calls for culinary historians.

[@GratiaCountryman]

I heard from Miss Manners that the coupe glass was designed so you could dip pastry into the champagne without it breaking off and forming a gelatinous mess at the bottom of the glass.

[@basilschannel4689]

With bring to boil 5-6 times it is probably meant bring it to a boil and count 5-6 bubbles. There is no reason to bring it to a boil another 5-6 times. This way you avoid overcooking the chocolate altogether.

[@pinkcupcake4717]

Marie is an icon. No interest in working, loving sweets and chocolate and frills, disdain for being observed? That's life goals right there.