Tauros's Fourth Move in RBY OU

[@adamkampen]

OU week! We’re gonna be talking about the Tauros! And the Snorlax! And the Chansey! We will be talking about the Counter and the Thunder Wave! And we will most certainly-we will most CERTAINLY be talking about the *[hyper beam sfx]*

[@DraphEnjoyer]

Do you think that's funny trainer? Do you find it amusing how we'll be talking about Cloyster's base 180 Defense?!

[@alexspofford8730]

And if you don't talk about the Tauros you will get sent to gen 8 users. Where all of you will get your asses kicked on a daily basis.

[@wizardsweetflips59]

I heard that

[@Nocturne989]

Thunder is just Boomer Focus Miss.

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

Focus Blast but cooler cause TBolt is right there and you just say "nah"

[@Nocturne989]

@@bigyellow2ndimpact71 Fair. The real solution is go where Lucario is legal and run it over Aura Sphere for the good message.

[@sephikong8323]

@@Nocturne989 It's not a very good analogy either since pre gen 6 the power difference between Tbolt and Thunder was 25 and now it's 20, but the power difference between Aura Sphere and Focus Blast is 40. Special Lucario (especially the Specs sets, NP can justify the lower power for greater consistency) tend to run FB for the very reason that ....... it's a 50% power boost, if Thunder offered such a power advantage over Thunderbolt then I guarantee you that more people would run it instead, same for Blizzard, just look at how many mons prefer Hurricane over Air Slash (though Air Slash is terrible both in BP and the fact it still can miss as is lmao, but the point stands). Heck, nowadays Stone Edge/Rock Slide has more power difference than Tbolt/Thunder or Ice Beam/Blizzard and half the accuracy difference, sad to say really

[@Nocturne989]

@@sephikong8323 Bro I called it *Boomer Focus Miss* its less of an analogy and more of...a joke lol

[@sephikong8323]

@@Nocturne989 I know, but sometimes idk, I like taking things at face value simply for the sake of explanation (because I felt like it)

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

Also ftr this is specifically for OU, I learned from RBY cord that different options are better in different metas, such as Stomp being much better in Ubers and Rest being better in Stadium OU which is p interesting so thanks to them!

[@DyxoXinoro]

Wait, Stadium OU is different than RBY OU? Did Stadium change a lot more than I remember?

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

@@DyxoXinoro The big two differences I'm aware of are Substitute blocking status and Focus Energy giving near- guaranteed crits, the meta isn't hugely different but there's some shakeups for sure

[@RichardBlaziken]

Stadium also fixes (/ruins) Hyper Beam by giving it recharge even if the Pokemon is KO'd, but recoil moves have no recoil if the opponent is KO'd so Double-Edge becomes more viable but isn't just a straight replacement. The power of Hyper Beam is missed by many Pokemon, especially ones that don't even learn Hyper Beam.

[@noishfanboy1141]

hey sorry for asking this a bit late but i noticed that the RBY cord link you have in your description still works and in your vid talking abt lvl 85 chansey you mentioned how the tech was made in a delted discord server? i just wanted to know if the server you meant was this old server because the link still works and the server is still there

[@terraSpark902]

I think you would like Nintendo cup 97! There's even more options there where Tauros often runs Horndrill or Double team

[@-penta-1357]

Ok, but hear me out guys: - Stomp - Blizzard - Thunder - Hyper Beam The Omega Tauros set.

[@cursedcat6467]

You just need skill based luck

[@bcbohme]

Yeah but it needs physical stab to do stuff

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@bcbohme Like, you know, Body Slam, to do damage, and paralyze the opponent so Stomp can start the paraflinching, because Thunder should never be used by Tauros on something that the move doesn't outright kill...also r/whoosh, #thatsthejoke. 🐃

[@outerspacejunie]

Imma use this idea

[@shimogane2474]

The set to catch everything off guard, except the metagame

[@generallytrash]

"We all love a little bit of consistency sometimes" *looks over at my choice scarf alolan ninetails sheer cold vgc team* haha yeah Yellow, so true

[@benfisher961]

I mean if you use sheer cold on both pokemon there is a 51% chance that at least 1 of them hit

[@generallytrash]

@@benfisher961 the point is trying to skill swap no guard from machamp onto the ninetails by hitting runerigus

[@benfisher961]

@Generally Trash OK, thats even cooler

[@CesarTorres61296]

@@generallytrash Shit, that's wild.

[@satyrsatyr2957]

what the hail 😂😂😂😂

[@UltraCboy]

15:23 Well I wasn’t quite expecting that but I appreciate it

[@DrWiley-fm3ik]

I always run eq on tauros, even on teams with lead alakazam. Gengar is just too annoying if you let him have too much presence in a game, and you can't boom on him or body slam hax him like you can most of the other annoying threats in RBY not to mention it just plain feels good to hit Gengar with earthquake before he started floating

[@champion1859]

And after he stopped floating

[@mattzr1550]

@@champion1859 nah that shit sucks hes like uubl i feel bad hes outclassed by like 3 other ghosts in gen 8 ou

[@champion1859]

@@mattzr1550 yeah it does unnecessary nerf

[@tylerbreckenridge3850]

The fact they let Gastly and haunter still float

[@heavylobster4339]

Also note that Cloyster switching into Body Slam has a 30% paralysis chance, so it can even screw that over a good portion of the time. Without EQ Gengar comes in almost for free. Standard Tauros is the standard for a reason. Even the few things that sort of check it can easily get haxed through.

[@zade3488]

Thunder may have a pretty tiny chance to 2HKO Starmie but Thunder + Hyper Beam actually has a really good chance to. A healthy Starmie being an otherwise decent switch in to Tauros means if you predict a switch land Thunder, that's kinda big.

[@OneCSeven]

15:29 its true 😔 edit: thanks for inclusive when talking about gengar's gender :)

[@movezig5]

15:24 For a second there I thought you were about to go into a sponsorship segment for Manscaped.

[@surtrgaming1730]

Another argument I saw in the damage calc for Slam-Blizzard-Beam starting with the slam: There is an unfortunate chance that if you low roll all three attacks with no crits, you don't deal 100% (minimum is 98.2%). Starting by Slam allows you to pivot if you low roll and sacrifice the risk of freeze for the risk of not low rolling into opposing Tauros surviving on 1 or 2% (since Slam-Slam-Beam deals a minimum of 100.8%)

[@tarvold2492]

No mention of Leer? It helps you break Reflect users much easier, and the speed control is invaluable when you are both paralyzed. When the opponent is down to their last Mon, Leer can be game winning. It's obviously not the best, but Stomp HyperBeam Earthquake Leer is my personal favourite Tauros set.

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

For reflect I'd personally pray for crits but the speed control is a very interesting point!

[@sephikong8323]

The fact that Leer is a form of speed control tells you everything to know about how whack gen 1 mechanics are

[@egon3705]

@@sephikong8323 literally how is it speed control? unless there's some glitch bulbapedia isn't telling me about?

[@sephikong8323]

@@egon3705 Basically, that's to do with a glitch with Paralysis's speed drop not working when speed is raised afterwards, but another stat change makes it update again I don't know how it works exactly as I'm not a gen 1 code specialist but that's what I remember about this glitch, might be wrong about how it works exactly

[@finnvaneekelen4966]

When i first read this i had genuinly 0 idea if it was legit or a shit post

[@ace-xy8ub]

My favourite thing about big yellow is that I'll get excited when I see the video about this game mode I've never played, and really have no intention of playing, is over a half hour long. Straight up just inspired me to eat for the first time today. Thanks yo

[@spazerdazer8421]

18:49 The pain of many physical attackers in my life using Earth Power over Earthquake

[@Goodlucktuck]

15:30 so glad i found this channel lol

[@ivoarmstrong9894]

I tried to make faster paced RBY games after Chansey and Snorlax became mandatory due to the discovery of body slam mechanics. This lead to me using a quadruple explosion core with Snorlax, Exeggutor, Golem, and Cloyster. Those four could strategically weaken and explode on anything that needed to get blown up for Tauros and Starmie to eliminate everything else. Gengar proved to be an issue if Snorlax got too chipped but outside of that the team proved to be pretty effective.

[@e.sanghvi5657]

12:54 : "Freeze is practically perNament in gen 1." I cannot unhear it now.

[@tricky2795]

Been years that i played Gen 1 OU, I had tried thunderbolt on Tauros for a while when Cloyster was running rampant as the dedicated Tauros check, The idea is that it sits in a 2HKO range after it takes a Body Slam on a switch, which is the most common scenario, you would never switch Tauros into a Cloyster anyway, unless you wanna tell your opponent that you are carrying Thunder/Thunderbolt I never carry Fire blast on Tauros, you really don't wanna burn Chansey, Alakazam, Starmie, it prevents them from more useful status like freeze/sleep, and burn only deals 1/16th dmg in gen 1 There is the option to drop Blizzard instead of Earthquake, as you can stil hit Rhydon/Golem with Earthquake and Exeggutor with Body slam, none of them have no good recovery move and can be worn down over the game, to prepare for the eventual Tauros sweep

[@tricky2795]

@@roamingthereal4060 I normally use Alakazam/Starmie as the Cloyster counter as you usually want Tauros to be kept healthy and also not risk losing your most important pokemon to explosion. I generally avoid the Tauros mirror. My go to Pokemons to switch to against opposing Tauros are Snorlax, Cloyster and sometimes Exeggutor or Starmie with Tauros being the last resort. You also run the risk click Fireblast on an enemy Tauros and they decide to switches out to Alakazam/Starmie/Chansey who you really don't want to burn on top of giving them a free switch. So I really don't like using up a slot for a move that has low payoff. yea, Blizz/Quake is the safest bet since it covers most of the key targets. If you think earthquake targets are not that important (Gengar, Jolteon), you can drop that move for like Thunderbolt to surprise the Cloyster checks.

[@randomnothingness6557]

Ran into someone whos team was just 4 Gengars, 1 Snorlax, and a Ghastly name "winner man". The Ghastly was lv1 and wants only sent out because it was the last Pokemon left.

[@rexbot2749]

I knew tauros had the eq v fb choice but I never realized how important eq and FB are in this game

[@jamespeake2606]

"Today were going to be talking about more Pokemon" Good. I like these.

[@ssjbread2803]

A benefit to thunder is that while the chance to 2HKO Starmie is pretty low, Thunder DOES put it in Hyper Beam range, so...theres that.

[@ceulgai2817]

Would have LOVED this on the main channel 😍

[@theSato]

Do more of these! Pokemon & Smash Melee content from you is really comfy and great to listen to while I drive or walk or work on stuff (i do watch the video too, so any graphics or visual aids are nice ofc)

[@Xahnel]

Thunder is the gigachad move used by people who prefer hype over consistency.

[@glitchedoom]

I definitely feel like a chad watching my thunder miss three times in a row.

[@thecriticalghost4626]

@@glitchedoom It's worthy

[@dweenobloke489]

Thank you for the shlong compliments lmao, love how it was all over choosing thunder over thunderbolt very hilarious content .✌✌

[@PlusheonPup]

YELLOW ISN'T RED ANYMORE, POGGERS

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

V-TRIGGER FINALLY RAN OUT

[@PlusheonPup]

lmao, speaking of, if you had a V Trigger, what would it do?

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

@@PlusheonPup I would just scream FULLSCREEN UNBLOCKABLE and pretend to charge something while they just sit there being scared

[@Fizz-Q]

@@PlusheonPup Seven way mixup move that whiffs on crouch on every followup.

[@d007ization]

I distinctly recall a commentated RBY battle where someone baits a fire blast to unfreeze their pokemon (and I was _sure_ it was Crimz but I couldn't find it)

[@shimogane2474]

that thunder introduction got me.

[@glitchedoom]

Stomp Tauros has worked exactly one time for me, but man was it satisfying when it did.

[@NoSi_420]

I see that big yellow has the optimal rby team

[@whydoyougottahavthis]

Dude when you said consistency no no we don't fuck with none of that around here, you had me in stitches XD hardcore genwunner 4ever

[@zeenoh5811]

The chaddest move: mimic

[@Auron3991]

Thunder does have an advantage over Bolt on Starmie if the opponent isn't familiar with its ranges. Since anything except double low-rolls means Starmie falls to a Thunder-Hyper Beam combo, you can catch someone unaware and snipe the Starmie out. Same situation with Lapras, except you need two Thunders to Hyper Beam it down.

[@openinginawe5518]

Tauros only needs hyper beam tbh. In all seriousness this is interesting

[@ldmtag]

I might be wrong but I think Jynx has Reflect. Fire Blast is effective against Reflect Jynx

[@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote]

quick edit, im clearly wrong, i just swear i remember i think you saying it was 30% in one of your videos? now it’s driving me crazy not knowing where i heard it 4:12 i thought it had a 30% chance to freeze, or was that japanese red and green?

[@bigyellow2ndimpact71]

30% only in the JP versions

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@CoralReaper707]

GeNgAr On GeNgAr Is A tWo-HiT K O

[@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938]

16 minutes into dis video was insane

[@lorenzo689]

I DIDN'T KNOW U HAD A SECOND CHANNEL :"((( LOLL I BEEN MISSING THIS 4 A WHILE

[@NG-gy6iv]

Von Karma no! You can't just write an analysis on Pinsir!

[@aaronwilson4504]

Listening to this kinda helps me get why Cspan exists

[@BlackKnightsCommander]

Isn't the other reason why you use Blizzard second to save on body slam PP in case you want to fish for paralysis?

[@NinjaLobsterStudios]

One time in a Gen 1 randbat I switched my frozen Pokemon into a fire blast. Unfortunately the fire blast missed

[@legtendgav556]

Odd but welcome shift

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Damn, you look damp in this. Can’t imagine living in a house that gets hot

[@whydoyougottahavthis]

Bro you could've just said my name, I was known for losing so badly just because I chanced thunder when not needed but those times it hit like the power of God to that burrburrburr strike shazam!

[@saturnusdevorans]

Shoutouts to Amaranth

[@blastfire21]

I'm lovin the pokemon content

[@hobez64]

Something that is not mentioned in the video but is also super useful for viewer context. In Gen 1, Pokemon are immune to being statused by moves of their own type. Normally it doesn't matter. Ice types can't freeze anyways, Fires can't be burnt, but really importantly, Normals cannot be statused by normal moves, so in Gen 1, Body Slam cannot paralyze Tauros, Snorlax, Chansey, or any other normal type. This is another reason why the Tauros mirror uses SlamBlizBeam and not SlamSlamBeam, and why Tauros will have Substitute on occasion

[@tylerd1297]

I like Earthquake in Tradebacks OU for that sweet 4x effective damage on Magneton /s

[@tysondennis1016]

Here's a set I ran in Gen I OU: Tauros with Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Thunderbolt, and Earthquake. That means Tauros can threaten both Gengar AND Cloyster.

[@egon3705]

rhydon

[@spiciestbirb]

​@@egon3705eq on switch

[@Zanedotmidi]

This is just a main channel vid on the stream channel

[@JC-hi8fk]

Splash is guaranteed in Gen 1

[@octagonalbagel4824]

I zoned out, then started listening at about exactly 15:44 wtf

[@goldengoldy0197]

Did you play much of Gen 6 competitive? It's the one I got introduced in and the only one I played honestly since I didn't stay for Gen 7. I would like to see your opinions on it.

[@nobunobu3980]

up until when you mentioned it i was wondering where thunder was

[@pwesiti]

Thunder is like dynamic punch but better in every way. It’s a better type, it’s more accurate, and the status condition…

[@lillithplays6514]

I actually tend to run Body Slam/Blizzard/Earthquake/Thunderbolt in order to sacrifice power for coverage.

[@lillithplays6514]

@@roamingthereal4060 yeah I know that now.

[@TastyLemon123]

I love your channel

[@salemmetal6433]

If it's funny, it's viable in the BigYellow viaility rankings

[@Pudcup]

What if I didn't run body slam?

[@cooltaylor1015]

It's tradebacks(I think), but what about Surf and Fireblast instead of Blizzard?

[@egon3705]

you lose to gar i think

[@blakeschwab7518]

im not an expert in gen 1 but i do play decently often, i personally will not use chansey or snorlax sometimes and still do okay

[@lyoselli]

i'm a complete noob, around 1200 on the ladder. I just run slam beam quake tbolt. Seems to work well enough, at least at the lower end of the ladder.

[@EliTheGleason]

Yaaaay!

[@SamuraiSam]

Surf Tauros exists in tradebacks

[@SpliffingBrit]

Ireland??? I thought you were from Australia

[@petelee2477]

20:05 why didn't you show us how much a crit does? The showdown calculator has that ability.

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

idk I think people are sleeping on bide tauros

[@kimgkomg]

I like to run fireblast and earthquake in place of blizzard. I have no justification for doing this

[@free_playstation_2]

Thunder gang

[@ln8496]

Gender wasnt introduced until gen 2, gengar dont got a gender

[@dazedmoon8762]

More Pokemon content plz!

[@MoonshineH]

Whoa wtf I just stumbled upon short hair Yellow.

[@connorgross3410]

brb spamming stomp tauros and eggy on the ladder to get it banned in like 3 weeks

[@terraSpark902]

I bet you'd like Nintendo cup 97

[@vivimannequin]

How about just sacrificing blizzard for fire blast?

[@petelee2477]

What pokemon does fireblast kill that tauros couldn't beat otherwise? I don't know anything about gen 1 at all serious.

[@redkun5]

If you do that, Rhydon just f*cks you up real bad.

[@sebastianlucas704]

@@redkun5 Also, that 30 percent freeze.

[@redkun5]

@@sebastianlucas704 10%. It's 30% only on the first japanese release and it got patched in the global release(known as pokémon blue in Japan)

[@sebastianlucas704]

@@redkun5 Thank you for the correction.

[@ampisbadatthis]

I run a second body slam

[@SteveScapesYT]

Stomp

[@sem3ndem0n_73]

15:25

[@nanceskiinanceskii4674]

Algorithm

[@TKVirusman]

I just watched a 30 minutes video on the worst era of competitive Pokémon and I don't even regret it, god bless Lord Yellow 😂😂😂

[@bobjoe3492]

Not the worse, just the most different

[@usernametaken017]

@@bobjoe3492 256 glich steps in

[@connorgross3410]

This isn’t a gen 7-8 ou vid tho

[@lorenzo689]

@@connorgross3410 Holyyyy

[@q6969]

I do use thunder on tauros. Over blizzard

[@egon3705]

"i have a whole ou game in front of me" wrong. rhydon is coming.

[@pettermiranda4651]

I'm going to go run thunder bull right now

[@alexandramilos392]

3:15

[@echo5172]

Disliked for removing Thunder off your Jolteon.

[@kirito_kun5072]

Cloyster for obvious reasons.

[@ldmtag]

Out of RBY's top 3 Tauros is my least favorite and maybe even my most hated pokemon in Gen 1. It's just a silly bull that happened to come across some good TMs. Mewtwo should be the only dominant pokemon in RB!

[@MrIronJustice]

'Their name is Gengar.' :/