Taurus TX-22 vs Kel Tec P17 | Budget 22 Pistol Shootout

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Which one do you prefer?

[@d3v03d]

I'll have to try the P17 if I can find one to bottow or rent. Own a TX22. It feels and runs great. I did change out the factory front sight though--needed something my old eyes could pick up quicker.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

@Devoe D i do like both, but preferred the tx

[@r.parker8299]

Love my Taurus TX-22 so much that I bought two and looking at getting the new compact version. 🙌👏🦅🗽🇺🇸

[@marcogilardini5872]

P17

[@rickperry240]

Kel TEC is better or just as good as the TX 22 I have both the Kel TEC never had a problem this was a sit-up for the TX I have shot the shit out of both ther both great guns and I'm sick of hearing that they are plicker a 22 will kill you DEAD and yes they are good carry guns

[@bobhaggard3235]

Sorry the Kel tec did so well. You could tell you guys didn’t want it to! Terribly biased toward the Taurus. Wouldn’t trade my p17 for anything else.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Oh contrar. The guy with the p17 loves it. I am biased towards the taurus, as its been superior to the p17 in my opinion.

[@cecilking3727]

@@DirtbagOutdoors the taurus is not superior in any way to the p17 sorry

[@paulcarlin5181]

@@cecilking3727 I will find it soon enough! Just found and ordered a P17. The TX-22 has put in near 1k flawless rounds.

[@jamesduckworth4437]

Paul i’ve ran 2500 rounds straight with no problems flawless in my TX 22 compact

[@jamesduckworth4437]

I have not shot the P 17 yet so I cannot say that the Taurus is better. I can tell you that I will match it and reliability.

[@erniedesantis597]

If you read the keltec manual it specifically says to slingshot the slide. The slide stop is not supposed to be used as a slide release.

[@Zyndall]

It bugged me he ignored that also

[@Zyndall]

They also didn't take into account what ammo it says to use etc

[@erniedesantis597]

I've had decent luck with Remington golden bullets and Aquila 38 and 40 gr high velocity. Aguila sub sonics cycle my pistol with a suppressor and are movie quiet. I will add that in the several months I've owned my Keltec the slide stop has slowly bent to the point that it didn't work. I bent it back with a screwdriver and pilers. I haven't gotten around to contacting Keltec yet. Probably should. Round count about 800. Mostly reliable except for the slide stop thing.

[@AudioGardenSlave123]

​@@ZyndallWhy worry about ammo selection and slide release when you can just get a TX that will run everything and dosen't have finicky requirements about how to use it?

[@HenauderTitzauf]

I couldn’t decide which I liked the most, so, lo and behold ,my wife bought both pistols for my Christmas. Not trading, nor selling my great wife. She has bought me 18 guns over the years, may be more, I just lost count. She enjoys seeing me smile with a new gun.

[@edwinpharaoh6658]

I went to the Gun shop about a year ago looking for a P17, they didn't have any in stock, but they had a TX22, so I bought it, I absolutely love it, I have not found any ammo it wouldn't cycle

[@mrhenry4624]

They really didn't want to like the Kel-Tec! Fully loaded magazines vs half loaded mags in the Taurus. A stove pipe IS NOT a double feed. You have an empty case and the round that doesn't make it all the way into the chamber because of the stovepipe. That's all. Also, a faulty .22 round is not a "light primer strike." It is a bad round. Happens with .22 rimfire. A lot. And the "17th round" not feeding from the magazine? Hmmm. It only holds 16...so if he somehow forced 17 into it, he caused his own problem. Sounds a little prejudiced to me.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Its not. The guns were bought by each of us with our own money. The taurus was better in basically every way. End of story. The p17 is cool in its own right and also cheaper. The primer of a 22 is the rim. If it goes off on the 2nd try, that's exactly like a conventional centerfire light primer strike. Could it technically be a round where that exact spot didnt have enough to detonate on the first try? Sure... but thats still nearly the same thing as a light primer strike. You're splitting hairs because you're upset the taurus won. Trust me, the guy who just paid for the keltec wanted it more than the taurus and really wanted it to perform better. It was close, but it didnt.

[@thomasbailey7505]

@@DirtbagOutdoors I have to agree its the buyers choice but the P17 has outsold the Taurus 2 to 1 since it came out and now you cant find one anywhere. I got an email from Kel Tec saying they had suspended the P17 line temporarily but didnt give me a reason. Taurus customer service is the worse I have ever run across. I special ordered a 9mm from taurus with some special items on it that cost me a fortune and had to send it back under warranty for a repair and Taurus stripped it back to basic and I am taking them to court over it.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@thomasbailey7505 Kel Tec rotates production, has to shut a line down to turn out something else in rotation.

[@thomasbailey7505]

@@robertkubrick3738 Upon contacting Kel Tec I was told they had no future plans for the 17 at this time.

[@Daniel-qe8qe]

The kel.tec has NOT outsold the tx lol, not one single channel has chosen the kel tec over the taurus NOT ONE. Being a kel tec fan boy is one thing but not being able to accept theres a better gun? Sad​@thomasbailey7505

[@martyh4777]

One advantage of the P17. I have both, but the P17 with the fiber-optic sight is more accurate. Also, the P17 (lighter and a little slimmer) with a kydex holster and lighter weight makes a better concealed carry gun with the same amount of rounds.

[@frankprimiano8306]

True that

[@JamesSmith-yq4kz]

Think I’m getting both

[@JamesSmith-yq4kz]

Got ahellout of MD in TN and love it

[@maxs8400]

@@JamesSmith-yq4kz EW

[@Steven-gv1ke]

Plus one more mag comes with the P17, plus it's $60 cheaper, and to me, the biggest thing, customer service is night and day difference between Kel-Tec and Taurus. Kel-Tec will do whatever is necessary to make it right. Good luck with Taurus. There are literally hundreds of horror stories online with Taurus customer service. Kel-Tec is notorious for great customer service.

[@bigaarmory100]

The P17’s have 16rd mags. If you force 17 rounds in the mag and then attempt to chamber a round it won’t chamber. P17 = 1 in the chamber and 16 in the mag. I guess they could have kept everyone happy by calling it P16+1. I’m also wondering why the P17 mags were loaded to almost capacity or overloaded, but the Taurus mags were only loaded to 10 rounds, other than less chance for error with the Taurus? Both are fantastic additions to the 22LR pistol world. With the P17 commonly found for $180 nowadays, it’s hard to beat. I’ve had zero issues with my P17, but I only shoot HV 22LR ammo (CCI Mini Mag or Aguila Super High Velocity). I used to buy bulk ammo years ago but the frequent FTF or FTE round every 50 or so just wasn’t worth the $.01 per round savings for me.

[@mcbridecreek]

My p17 is rock solid. It shoots any kind of ammo. After about 250 rounds, I wipe it down and oil it. Very reliable, accurate and dependable. $230. 16 round magazines work best with 14 rounds.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Nice! I'm going to see how far the TX22 can go without cleaning. It's at about 500 rounds so far

[@Jeremyho439]

My have problems.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

@@Jeremyho439 the p17?

[@Jeremyho439]

@@DirtbagOutdoors Yea. Particularly the first round. I was told not to put 16 rounds but 15.

[@paulcarlin5181]

Did you run it out of the box? I will clean prior for packing grease etc, but curious.

[@rickyricardo976]

My brand new P17 ran flawlessly using three different .22 ammo's in .36 & .40 Gr bullets. When I put a can on it, there was some lead blow-back, so you need to make sure you have eye protection on. With that said, the P17 ran perfectly with the can on it and cycled everything I put through it.

[@Steven-gv1ke]

The P32 is not junk. Its one of the most reliable pistols they have made. Thats why its one of their longest running pistols. We have two of them and both have over 1,500 rounds through them and don't fail until the 350 round mark with no cleaning or lube. As soon as a failure to feed pops up around 350 rounds, I clean them quickly, add a few drops of oil, and they are back running perfectly for another 350 rounds. It will feed Hornady XTP hollow points flawlessly as well. Also i carried one, near the coast around salt water plus lots of sweat from humidity and hot summers in the south, and they still functioned fine and look good after literally thousands of days of daily carry. I work outside too, not in the a/c so mine stayed dirty and sweaty. My P32 is rock solid.

[@chrisduggins2559]

It says in the owner manual of the p17 they recommend to chamber the 1st round by hand rather than using the slide release. My experience so far its basically flawless not using the slide release.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

That may be true, but it shouldn't be. Why have a slide release if you aren't supposed to use it?

[@stevekatz4372]

I have two P17's and I don't remember reading that we have to load the first round by hand!

[@johnherrera4806]

I don’t use the slide release on my center fire pistols either just use rack method

[@steves2664]

@@DirtbagOutdoors you use it to lock back the slide, that's the purpose.

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@DirtbagOutdoorsIt’s a slide stop that can be used to manually let the action close on an empty chamber maybe? Idk

[@marktrevino4136]

Here’s some good advice, get ‘‘em both! I like both and the Taurus TX 22 Competition.

[@misterchuck6866]

is the TX competition any less reliable than the Regular or Compact?

[@scottblack9198]

I love my p17 it’s accurate and I’ve never had any issues with it yet. I even went as far as buying the new slide they made that has the crimson trace red dot on it. Still no issues with it after the slide swap either. I have around 1300-1500 rounds through it

[@frankprimiano8306]

That was a good move my friend

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

what ammo are you using with the new slide ??

[@marw1920]

Gee, the 200 dollar P17 shooter vs the 300 dollar TX22 sometime shooter - what should we do? What are you comparing - you'll have to explain this one?

[@clintondybala7684]

Wondering why you didn't max out the mags on the taurus

[@guaporeturns9472]

Does the P-17 have a plastic feed ramp like the Sub-2000?

[@tym551]

Purchased 2 P17s, one for the wife and one for my son(secretly both for me). The wife has had not a single issue in a 1000+ rounds. My son's(1000+ rounds) often has FTEs unless it's squeaky clean. The Federal 325 in the tan box has been garbage in the P17 compared to Thunderbolt or Winchester X. Our experience, but again the wife's ran everything fine. I will say i love their customer service after they sent us a replacement front fiber optic sight for free when hers mysteriously fell out

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

That’s awesome! Some rimfires are definitely a bit more finicky than others

[@ballisticlt7452]

A couple years ago, I had planned on picking up a p17 but they were hard to come by. I ended up getting an OD green TX22 and I am so glad that I did. The reliability is second to none as far as rimfire semis go. Throw on a can and and $20 box of ammo and range days don’t get much better.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

I agree! I dont hate the p17, but the tx22 has been an excellent plinker!

[@coolrunning1809cowboyjolie]

The problem u had with the Kel Tec P17 are the same problems I have with my Kel Tec P3AT, I hate to shoot it, I cannot get use to it. I have decided with your video to go with the Taurus TX-22. This was a very good video! Thank you so much guys.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thanks for watching! We still love both my preference remains for the tx22

[@dudespin]

I chose the Keltec because made in USA! Also smaller and super light weight! I ccw mine. I agree about the Keltec mags I purchased a loader on eBay.

[@Daniel-qe8qe]

Taurus also made in the USA

[@BladeObssession]

I've watched quite a few videos that say the P17 runs the Remington golden bullet well. I'm considering buying a P17 just because it's unique. The magazines on the P17 look like they were made from leftover PEZ dispensers

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Yes they do! They feel like it, too!

[@ballisticlt7452]

The TX22 just runs everything well. I have several thousand rounds through one and I wouldn’t hesitate to grab it in a self defense situation. They just run like a sewing machine. Most fun gun at the range with a suppressor on it.

[@exrhodie1234]

Greetings from Boise ID . An interesting test. I bought one of the TX22 compacts recently and fired over 600 rounds so far in my 1st session and love it. Used a combo of CCI and cheap ammo. Had only 1 light primer strike with the Win bulk ammo but no other issues. Very impressed especially for a $3k gun like this. I agree the trigger is great out the box. Nice vid guys.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy yours! It's a great plinker!

[@jolosarmiento24]

it costs 3k?

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

@@jolosarmiento24 im assuming he meant $300, though street price is less than that even

[@sundaone81]

Just got my TX22 Gen 2 and excited to give her range time. But after looking at TX22 videos it’s always compared to P17. Would love to try P17 in the future.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

I really enjoy them both. Except for the magazines of the keltec

[@gleamon]

Try cleaning and lube the gun and mags BEFORE shooting and prevent issues. I see many people going to town with the P17 straight out of the box and having feed, eject issues.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Ehhhh. Sure, in a perfect world. But Why would the Taurus work fine out of the box but not the p17?

[@Chappy31x]

​@@DirtbagOutdoorsDid you clean & lube the P17 gun and try again? Some KZbinr shot out the box without cleaning and had issues until he did another video after cleaning it, no issues

[@waynedavis7245]

This is my experience with these 2 guns. A friend wanted to get my opinion on these 2 pistols. I didn't have any interest in either one. We got to the range I put 3 hundred rounds though each. I had no problems with the p17 and 5 jams out of the TX . My friend wanted my opinion. I picked the P17. He went on to tell me about all the trouble with his TX . He had sent the TX back 3 times . The P17 fit my hands much better. But I have extra large hand . I also was more accurate with the P17. So I bought the P17. I have put 3000 rounds though it no problem.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Zero failures of any kind out of 3000 rounds with a 22 rimfire of any kind/brand/price isn't realistic, in my opinion.

[@waynedavis7245]

@@DirtbagOutdoors no failures with the pistol. Only some ammo issues. And I was a little worried about it being reliable. I'm going to get another this summer if I can find it at a decent price.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

@Wayne Davis its easy to blame rimfire ammo. I do it too. Its always hard to say for sure if it was really ammo or gun related. Most failures with ammo are the same failures with the gun... minus random hard/dud primers

[@waynedavis7245]

@@DirtbagOutdoors there has been a lot of talk about problems with the 22 rim fire as of late. I usually don't get bulk ammunition. So I don't seem to have a lot of trouble. My P17 is cleaned and oiled every time I use it . I've only shot mini mags though it , for the most part. I think alot of trouble comes from people not using the recommended ammunition and not keeping their guns clean and well oiled .

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

@Wayne Davis maybe. I have several 22 pistols that will not function unless its a certain brand of ammo. To me, that isnt acceptable. It should run on near anything.

[@tincanboat]

I wish people would read the owners manual. It says do not use the slide release to chamber a round. pull the slide back briskly.

[@photobyseat]

If you listed to what is said this is what happened. He had shot the first 16 rounds from the pistol. When he inserted the second magazine it was the 17th round ever loaded into the pistol that jammed. Not one from an overstuffed magazine. 4:07

[@saamstaan6540]

Thats the problem,people don't listen

[@WV591]

Both great guns. accurate and fun to shoot . Kel Tec can shoot even junk ammo that Taurus and others 22 guns can't shoot. is much lighter and with much lighter trigger and smaller/narrower.

[@gatorjohnny]

Can it shoot lead rounds like the Remington Thunderbolts? Just got a P17 and a ton of left over Remingtons.

[@Puzzles32]

@@gatorjohnny Only way to find out is to pop them

[@gatorjohnny]

@@Puzzles32 I’ll be doing just that tomorrow. Gotta see what this bad boy can run!

[@Puzzles32]

@@gatorjohnny please give an update

[@Daniel-qe8qe]

God the ignorance you spew

[@vernonwestfall1652]

I have 12 tx 22s and two competition models over 100000 rounds shoots pretty much anything I put in in them now working with the tx22 c have little over 2000 through it and no problems so far

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Tx22 compact will hopefully be acquired soon for myself to try. So far is it as good as the full size?

[@vernonwestfall1652]

Yes

[@misterchuck6866]

how is the reliability of the Compact vs the Competition? from doing so forum readings it feels like the Compact is more reliable?@@vernonwestfall1652

[@misterchuck6866]

i am looking at these. between the TX22 and the TX22 compact, which would you choose, if optics are not in the consideration?@@vernonwestfall1652

[@TheLonster59]

Glad I found this video ! I have the TX 22 and have loved it , absolutely reliable ! I just bought the Kel-Tec but in good ole illinois I’ll have to wait until my 72 hours to pick it up. I think 22 lr semi auto pistols have come a long ways since my day. I’m excited to compare them side by side. I did hear something about charging the kel-tec by pulling the slide to the rear as opposed to using the slide stop/release. Not sure if that had anything to do with a couple of those first round FTF or not. It may say in the manual. Either way I loved the video and I’m going to subscribe. Hope to see many more. Great quality thank you gentlemen. I

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thank you so much! Definitely more on the way. Good point about the slide release on the p17. Im partial to the tx22 but the p17 is definitely another good one to have alongside it!

[@NHfreeenergy]

If you had to choose for daily carry, which way would you go? Since the Taurus didn't have any feed problems, it seems to be the safer bet. Any others you might consider for daily carry in this price range?

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Out of these, the Taurus. I’ve heard good things about the newer lcp ii 22 but have never shot one. It’s a lot smaller.

[@vtxdaryl]

Did you clean and lube both pistols before you shot them?

[@JoeDong-jw4lc]

Just got myself a TX22 a week ago. Love it!!!

[@scottmorgan1016]

I am commenting early in video when you dropped slide on P17. That is a slide stop not to chamber a round. I wish people would learn proper way in certain guns. It's even said by Keltec on this matter. I have both guns and both have ran great

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Mine works perfectly as a slide release FYI. I own both

[@skowmi5681]

Garbage in garbage out! We should all use the best quality ammo available.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Ehhh. Sometimes that's the case. What if the best quality ammo available is what is now considered the bottom tier? I want a gun that will run it.

[@eddycrowell3572]

There is a speed loader for the Taurus TX22, try it with the p17.

[@jamesbroughton7870]

Did you clean an oil the gun before you started? And that bulk crappy Ammo I’m not surprised. I run see how many bags and mine runs flawless

[@slotcarfan]

Tx22 is finicky about how you load magazine or you get feeding issues. Mine also shoots a bit high with rear sight at max adjustment. It also likes light lube on slide and cleaning after about 250 rounds.

[@randygrider9758]

No body reads the book.it’s a slide stop, not a slide release. You pull the slide back to chamber first round. That’s why you get a failure to feed on second shot. The slide catch will wear out if you keep using it for a release, and then you wont have a slide catch

[@jacbojenkins]

thank you for this comment, i used my p17 on the range today and was using the slide stop as a slide release. after reading this comment i feigned an empty mag on my p17 to recreate reloading and the first bullet chambered perfectly when i racked it by hand, and did so perfectly every time after. maybe i'll start reading the manual more lol. thanks again!

[@davidabernathy4553]

Well now this is a interesting video and a very interesting comparison. I do not own the Kel-Tec p17 but I do own a Taurus TX 22 competition and it has been very reliable. There is only one brand of ammo that for some reason my Taurus really doesn't care a lot for and that is the Remington Golden bullets in 22LR. It will feed them most of the time but if I'm going to have any problems with failure to feed jams of any types it's going to be with those.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thanks! My tx22 feeds pretty much everything without too many problems

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

My P17 loves Aguilla for accuracy. She runs all regular bullets. No sub sonic.

[@Lees920]

I bought a new P17 and love the gun. It was very accurate right out of the box and the trigger was excellent. I also found that unless I give the butt of the magazine a hard tap when I put it in the gun that sometimes the first round may not go into the chamber. Eaxy fix if you just make sure the mag is fully in the gun. No issues beyond that. Shooting Federal Bulk lead ammo.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

i got mine about 2 weeks ago, it does NOT like CCI AR Tacticals ... it gets a lot of failure to fire, stove pipes and failure to chamber that 16th round. With the CCI Mini Mags, it works perfect

[@stevekatz4372]

I purchased My Two P17's last year and I liked the first one so much that I purchased another one about 4 months later! I have not experienced the problems that are shown in this Video but I have been using CCI Mini Mags, 40 Grain Copper Clad Bullets Only! I have shot almost 1000 rounds in Each Gun and I have experienced a few DUD Rounds but that's It! I have since Purchased a PMR30 and a CP33 and these two Guns have also proved to be Flawless! I switched to 22LR & 22 Mag Guns and I decided to Go with the Kel-Tec Platform all the way! If You Follow the Instructions and Suggestions in the User Guide, you will have a Fun & Flawless Shooting Experience! Note: I have never experienced A Keyhole with either of my P17's!

[@guaporeturns9472]

How’s everything holding up?

[@JesseClark-um7wz]

​@@guaporeturns9472e

[@martyh4777]

I would stay away from lead tip, as it is leading up the barrel, which is dam hard to clean.

[@darthphaser2991]

I like the Tx22 but those things cost more than a GX4. Which I have and I love it. Also have a G2c. Pretty great. So why is the .22 more expensive? Makes no sense to me

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Ive been edc-ing a gx4 toro. I like it as well

[@darthphaser2991]

@@DirtbagOutdoors For a 22 I'm thinking about getting that Taurus revolver. It's small and cheap. Holds 8 rounds. Comes in various sizes. Snubnose and long barrel. Looks pretty cool.

[@FnLn55]

I also have a GX4 and a G2C, and just ordered a P17 at RK ($217 otd). 👍

[@TsarF16]

Thanks for this riview. Tx22 looks so light every single shoot.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

You're welcome! TX22 gets the edge in my book, but the p17 is still pretty cool!

[@tonyrebel63]

It is very light weight and fun to shoot. I Got the Kel Tec 22 Mag after the Taurus and love shooting it, no issues with it so far.

[@geraldbodnar2718]

Yes but you didnt have the same amount of ammo in the mag as you did p17 . Could make a difference in Magazine issues 16 vs 16

[@bdogjr7779]

I heard Walker Texas Ranger talking《☆》Nice comparison guys. I bought a tan P17 last night👉🇺🇸I haven't fired it yet. I cycled a few Snap Caps thru it & it leaves nice marks on the rims..Hopefully it lives up to its reputation except for the failures documented here✌🏼😁☯️

[@philipconnell316]

It's. A good idea. To thoroughly clean a new pistol before filing it clean and oil it thoroughly.. My p seventeen works flawlessly with bulk ammunition

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

Keltec Manual says to use HIGH VELOCITY AMMO ....

[@ekummel]

I've been looking at the P17 for my wife. She's got really small hands and very tiny fingers (her ring finger is a size 4 if that gives you any indication). The P17 has that really small magazine making the grip appreciatingly more narrow. Plus, the weight of the P17 is very light. The lightest I seen. I've not really looked at the TX22. But looking at that magazine, I'm sure that the grip is considerably larger than the P17 and the gun is heavier just because of that larger magazine.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Taurus has released a tx22 compact now!

[@thomasbailey7505]

I agree on the Kel Tec grips, none of them are comfortable to me either. I had problems with the goldens too and even in my Ruger 10/22 rifle. I just bought some Norma 22 LR 1706 ms/fps and man do they shoot great! Try some if you get a chance.

[@Bobbgeane]

Both are sweet shooters

[@putteslaintxtbks5166]

Just watched another vid on the p17. They had zero problems, exept with Federal ammo.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Yea, the p17 is pretty reliable, overall!

[@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan]

It's best to get the suggested ammo for the p17

[@busymountain]

The stats are in on stopping attackers …. 22lr for the win. No joke - carry more rounds, shoots way faster, as effective at stopping attacker.

[@nolagospeltracts8264]

I was actually looking at the P-32 Thanks for the heads up

[@jamesduckworth4437]

I run the TX 22 compact and I will match the reliability with any gun. I have ran about 10,000 rounds through it and I’ve probably had 5 failure to fire and I’m willing to bet that those five or due to the ammo

[@RevGunn-jq3cq]

I have them both p17 hands down!!!!!!

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

How come? I have both also and think the tx22 is the winner

[@quezadonis9116]

Im still curious. Cant decide

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

4:07 Thats a 16 round mag, you cant put in 17 rounds otherwise it jams on chambering. The gun holds 17 rounds TOTAL, 16 in the mag, you chamber # 16 and top off the mag with another 1 for a total of 16 in the mag + 1 in the chamber

[@theccwdad]

Cci stingers are the best man. I have a bunch of 22 and I cleaned my 1022 after not using it for prob ten years and putting it away super dirty after a weekend Appleseed marksmanship class. Really fun 22 only rifle class if you've never heard of them.

[@theccwdad]

I have all of that ammo as well. Never shot the thunderbolts but have had 3 of those little boxes for literally ever.

[@joeholtz5395]

I bought that taurus pistol. Had jams from every kind of ammo. Took it completely apart and found it is JUNK. I was breathless seeing what was actually in that gun. I have ONE 100% functioning Taurus. A G2 9mm G2C. As good as a Glock to carry. But every other Taurus ive purchased went back. The Slim worked for 6 months and is broke again. Two times sent back. Keltec makes some good guns and some garbage. You have to find out for yourself.

[@stevencampbell1603]

I just got a P17, first time shooting it, out of the box, the mags are the only thing that needed breaking in, lol... the P17 went through virtually all ammo except the 710fps subsonics did not have enough to cycle... the 855 subs at 45gr did cycle just fine. 400rds in approximately with no real issues, any issues i did have was from really old bulk ammo that most 22lr have issues with and im trying to just use it up... The P17 I love it...

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Yea the mags could definitely be improved. I wouldn't mind getting a p17 still

[@codyhart6183]

I do believe if you are going to do a review on a firearm especially on a pistol. You should be able to handle the awesome recoil of that explosive.22 lr. Hard to believe these guys are serious and this isn’t a joke

[@robertboggs2257]

You didn’t fully load the taurus mags!

[@TheLoneRanger745]

I watched a lot of guys showing their TX-22, and problems, ammo that's NOT copper coated leads to build up in the barrel its caused by heat build-up from rapid fire ! the led becomes soft & sticky in the barrel filling the groves . the signs of this are opened up groups and key holing because the groves are clogged up and the bullet isn't twisting . I've stuck with higher quality copper coated CCI Mini mag's 1235 around +/- 500rds so far, not one single problem so far , only run copper coated if possible , hotter ammo is better for cycling automatic. Save the led for your revolvers slower firing guns. ( You can check your lands & groves with a bore camera,. I do before and after I clean.). Happy shootn 🤠. Looking at the long holes in the target, bullets are tumbling, you should only see a hole, side sounds dry needs oil. Amazon bore snake camera $65

[@gaylenstone9329]

Own and carry the P17 and I can tell you from 3 boxes of experience anything Federal bulk is terrible. They are the only rounds that i have issues with in both my p17 and my Rossi rs22 rifle. I bought 1 box of automatch 40gr lead round nose and 2 boxes of the 38gr hollow points. Did fair better with the 38gr but I wouldn't recommend either of those. Seem to have good luck with the Winchester 333 round box along with the 50 round boxes. The 333 round box is 38gr hp and the 50 round white is 40gr lead round nose.

[@robertwilson9999]

Taurus tx 22

[@LarryHinze-q9b]

I have two P17's. Love them.

[@robertkubrick3738]

ON THE 17TH ROUND, WE MADE AN OPERATOR ERROR, hall of shame for you guys, it's a slide stop, not a slide release, you are supposed to slingshot it to keep from wearing the part out.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Guns are built to handle literally thousands of small explosions. If you are unable to use the slide stop as a release, it’s a flaw.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@DirtbagOutdoors It's not a flaw if they tell you it's a slide hold open and not a slide release, then it's an aptly named channel problem.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

They say it to cover their butt

[@thatoneguy454c]

That p17 appear to have trouble stabilizing some of that ammo

[@freshfowler1398]

Always, Always clean and lube New firearms & magazines. Why people think its smart to blame guns for not working out of the box is kind blowing!!! Would you carry your ccw out of the box?? HELL NO!! So WTF??? Unbelievable.

[@freshfowler1398]

*mind blowing

[@robertmontgomery6060]

Picked up a P-17 for 179.00 last year. Runs flawless. Also like the TX 22. Both fun ro shoot

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Agree. I love them both still

[@wallycleaver1046]

The slide works more like a Makarov or waltherpp65

[@nchellcatbadboy3625]

Keltec manual says to sling shot the slide when loading chamber. I think yall knew that 😂 just ordered my p17 a week ago. Don't think I'll ever buy a taurus tho

[@tincanboat]

low velocity ammo may cause failure to feed. just saying. if you are going to compare guns learn everything you can about each gun before you fire them.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

You must be new here. I love both of these and have countless rounds through each one. Thanks for watching!

[@vernonwestfall1652]

My p17 just not like Federal auto match at all but shoots pretty much anything else

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Yea the federal auto match is iffy in a lot of firearms i have noticed

[@davidashworth1985]

I have both 🙂 Both great guns.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

For sure!! I agree

[@jonathanmcgowan7746]

I have not had any success with the Federal Automatch in any of my semi-auto .22 handguns. It does work great in my rifles, though. Among the best running 22 LR in my semi-auto handguns is the Aquila Super Extra, The Remington Thunderbolt and the Federal Blue or Red bulk pack hollow points.

[@Treashuntr2020]

Failure to chamber when using the slide release is not as rare as you might think!

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

Keltec says in the manual to sling shot the slide and NOT use the slide lock. SOmething about the sling shot gives the slide more momentum to pull that round out and chamber it.

[@thecaptain6994]

I have the TX22 and really like it. I’m thinking about getting the P17 simply as a beater it is so freaking cheap. I also have the FN502 with a red dot on it. Really fun to shoot.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

I'll get a p17 also at some point!

[@jockobacumbo623]

Taurus for the win!

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

I still love it! Thousands down range with minimal failures

[@brettyoung1659]

P17 almost reminds me of a Kel-Tec. They are just different. That’s why I like mine it works and it’s different.

[@keithr-xj7zx]

My P17 runs great with Aquila 38 grain copper plated supper extra hollow point. 1280 fps.

[@randy464]

P17 my every other day carry

[@Rob-ub1nm]

P17 or tx22 .i like both shot both but the tx22 just felt better.all so i had no failures with the tx22 and had 5 with the keltec. I have all so heard that after around 400 rds the keltec starts having alot of problems. But if u like keltec buy it.if u like the tx22 buy it. Every body aint going to like the same gun.just happy to see people owning more gun. In other words buy what u like.seems that there both good little pistols.🙂

[@matthewlee9728]

i have both do like the tarus better but the kelteck aind bad for the diffrence in price

[@thomasboehnlein1909]

Need to pull the slide back and let it fly on the p17 recommended not hit the release should have learned the 1st time

[@pewsnplanes2185]

P17 isway more accurate and convenient than my tx 22. Never had a malfunction in p17.. makes me think your " review" is faux

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Definitely not. Everything in the video is real and both were brand new and unfired

[@thatsleepygirl852]

thanks for this!

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thanks for watching!

[@GiorgosC-rp5ms]

good job guys

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thanks so much!

[@thuknocka1]

Finally shot my P 17.... no jams, but slide wouldn't go all the way foward a couple times....

[@diegopeluffo7505]

I have the p17 since two years ago, i use CCI Minimags or CCI Stingers to carry, this ammo have had never any malfunction on the range. In range days i have used cheaper ammo like browning lead head and that kind of slow lead head ammo causes many malfunctions. Copper head and high velocity bullets is what in my experience works better with p17

[@robg1046]

Bro they are 16 round mags not 17. When you pit 17 you made the gun jam

[@johnnypipe]

Run the same ammo in each gun for a fare comparison.

[@kerreckt]

It is NOT A SLIDE RELEASE! Read the instructions. It is a slide hold back!!!

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

Technicalities 😂

[@Rick123691]

The Kel-Tec fans are trying to figure out why they didn't buy the Taurus TX-22 😂😂😂

[@georgejones6518]

You didn't have a failure to chamber, you had a failure to operate correctly. Read the manuel.slingshot it.

[@vinmat3558]

Good objective review for close comparison. Thanks.

[@DirtbagOutdoors]

Thank you for the kind words! Glad you liked it!

[@frankpuma6402]

I have both 6 of one half dozen the other