TAYLOR SWIFT - How she’s evolved || Who owns her music and why Ep #29

Who owns Taylor Swift’s music? Who is Scooter Braun? Who is Scott Borchetta? How does the music industry work? What does “Taylor’s Version” mean?
We answer all the above and more in today’s show. Taylor swift is, obviously, a heavy hitter in the music industry. Her music, her persona, her relationships and her fans have all evolved during her career. We look at how she’s changed for the better. We also talk about some of the industry drama that seems to follow her in her career.
Enjoy, and thanks for watching!
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[@smisswax]

I don't think standing up for yourself is petty, though some things may look that way from the outside. It's hard to make accurate assumptions without all of the details. At the end of the day, I'm grateful that there is a powerful female role model for women because it often feels like we're under a constant barrage of criticism. People who know how to hold their own are liberating! I'm so proud of how far she's come

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

These are all good points. We are proud of her too!

[@BiancaG1999]

She's a bit petty though (and i say this with love) like, have you heard thanK you aIMee?!

[@Hey_Jamie]

She’s absolutely NOT “leaning into it”. Her music is her soul. She writes EVERY SINGLE SONG she records. Those are her stories. Hers. Literally from her diaries a lot of the time. She’s heartbroken. Listen to the song ‘My Tears Ricochet’. It’s about this exact situation. Where she mentions hoping that when he (scooter/Scott) can’t sleep at night, they can hear her _stolen lullaby’s_

[@user-ho7iw6eh4i]

As of the time of this podcast, Taylor Swift is 33 years old, and in the middle of a billion-dollar solo tour that is likely to go down in history as the biggest of her time. Stop calling a 33-year old woman a "girl". I hope you little boys take some time to reflect on that. Thanks!

[@tlrolls]

I really appreciate your objective view on this whole situation with Taylor re-recording her for six albums. Can I give further context as to why she is when her contract was up with big machine she wanted to buy her masters back from the company and they said that the only way that they can do it is if she continues recording with big machine, and for every new album she records with them, she will gain one album of masters back. She didn’t want to continue with big machine decided to sign with Republic records knowing full well that her masters were going to be sold along with the company. Because of the fact that Scott Borchetta knew that Taylor did not like Scooter Braun is the reason for the biggest betrayal in her eyes, because she truly hated Scooter Braun because he tried to ruin her career through other people a.k.a. Kanye West.

[@rickieblu2598]

what i dont like about certain people is they always say "taylor is playing the victim" when in reality she really is the victim. what most people see now is race and skin color. they see it as when you have a white skin =white privilege, bullies, greedy, etc. and if youre darker color, = oppressed, victim, etc. im not saying this isnt true or whatnot. but when you generalised it to everyone it becomes sickening. its toxic. not every white person are evil and same goes with any other color. just like what they mention on the previous ep when they talked about her, they were insisting they taylor was playing the victim card really well. if they did made their research and do their assignments before they do their talks maybe theyd have enough knowledge to how everything went down. and thus most swifties are always in defensive mode cause for 17- 18 years of her career people have been up her ass coming up with bullshits trying to put a dirt on her name considering she was labeled the squeaky clean princess of country music. up till her moved to pop it never stopped.

[@monaural2.988]

One aspect of the Taylor Swift musical story that has been lost as a result of the Scooter Braun fight is that her discography is now fractured. What does that mean? Simple. There cannot be an honest Anthology, Greatest Hits or “Best of” compilation, at least for those that would like a good assemblage of her chart hits, or singles if you will. Sure, there can be one in later years with Taylor’s versions, but for those that are sticklers on authenticity, it cannot be an accurate picture without those very Big Machine label recordings. I fully support Taylor’s fight in winning back her music, but for collectors that place hits collections highly, there’s a brick wall there now that blocks such an assembly (Think the Beatles’ “Red & Blue” double albums) from ever happening.

[@Hey_Jamie]

I don’t think people care as much as you think they do in this comment. No one needs a greatest hits album anyway. Swifties are a different breed. And loyal. The Taylor’s Versions are more than good enough.

[@thinedge]

No need for a compilation album. We Swifties buy everything she makes and has ever made then make our own mix/compilation playlists. I already have the original versions on my phone, So no profit to the old recordings copyright holder, thus no great loss.

[@jorgeaguilar406]

I'm an old guy, Proud to say I'm a Taylor FAN!

[@vanillajade6395]

as a swiftie i have to say your comment is very objective... came here trying to understand what that music deal is all about and end up enjoying this video so much

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Thank you for watching. We had fun making it!

[@Hey_Jamie]

As a swiftie you should’ve already known

[@elmadehner]

Taylor knew that Scott Barcheta would sell her masters. It was WHO he sold it. TO Scooter Brown. Scooter Brown was Kayne's manager and was behind bashing Taylor in the whole debacle with Kim and Kayne. Scooter had all his artists ( Justin Bieber, Demi Lovato.....)Bashing and talking shit about her. Only Ariana Grande would not do it. After all, Scott Barcheta had seen personally how traumatizing, soul crashing was for Taylor, he chose to sell to him-Scooter Brown- That was the betrayal.

[@Hey_Jamie]

Also, Taylor has way more songs about her being the antagonist than the protagonist. And she doesn’t have any songs playing the ‘victim’ role…

[@LAartist2015]

Enjoyed this. I think you need to keep following up on this story with scooter, kanye, kardasians, and their marriages as well as Selena and Justin. There’s a lot of connections. Her current song Karma is just soooo satisfying. Scooter is a very shady guy. You should also look into what he’s doing with kpop and partnership with HYBE/Big Hit who are desperate to get their music getting the Grammy or any ligit music awards. 😉👏🏽

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Great to hear you enjoyed it👍. It sounds like a part 2 is needed to cover this new stuff 😁

[@montymartell2081]

Try being a 64-year-old man totally infatuated and in love with Taylor's music I am 100% Swifty believe it or not her songs sing to me and I understand what she's talking about she is shear genius😊❤🎉

[@maggievalverde6816]

Hi I really enjoy the video and yes Taylor is know all around the world, I recomend you listen to her song about Scooter from the album Folklore is called Mad Women and for Scott Borcheta same album My tears recochet for me personally that album and Evermore have some of her best lyricks

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Wow I didn’t know that. We will check that out. Thanks!

[@carolann500]

Would love to listen to you listening to her Folklore album! It’s won album of the year and it’s nothing like her prior albums. Every album is great but Folklore needs to be heard!

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

We can do a live-react video - what’s the ideal song for us to listen and react to?

[@jame2182]

Taylor Swift is a brilliant artist and highly intelligent. She did make the decision and choice to RETRIEVE her personal property. We are proud of her. Just another example of her genius. Her music was KIDNAPPED and she successfully RESCUED it.

[@skepticalmaiden]

Y'all need to be better informed.... Katy Perry stole dancers from Taylor's tour. There's so much inaccurate info here.

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Thanks for letting us know about the stolen dancers. Also feel free to let us know what we got wrong on this video about Taylor.

[@Tsukiakari-qb3tk]

@@TheChasingMountainsPodcast Basically, the dancers had previously worked for Katy but were looking for work and since Katy wasn't touring, she told them to go look elsewhere but since she was going to start touring soon, to make sure they could give 30 days notice when Katy's tour started prep. The dancers were hired by Taylor for the Red tour and then gave their notice and were fired. I think that's the rough lowdown, I could be forgetting stuff. It's been a decade. And it's water under the bridge.

[@JV-yd4qg]

Her pettiness is the driving force for her success tho. Lots of low moments in her career yet she was able to turned them on her favour like the 🐍symbol, re recording, inspiration etc... Her Eras tour was amazing btw. 😍😍😍

[@kathyzuniga6450]

I only listen to Taylor’s Version on her early songs/albums.

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Good job 👏 me too!

[@anthonysmith6355]

Taylor brought me here

[@andreagail6725]

The Philippines is a TAYLOR NATION

[@AVS27]

the quality of this video, is better than my life .........not gonna lie

[@skyejp4975]

This was a really fun podcast. It’s giving H3 vibes. Gonna check out ur other vids

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Thank you 🙏

[@empyo2008]

The cap guy just pretended that he doesnt know about Taylor Swift and acted 'try to forget' by confirming things 😅 - we're all going to end up swifties, eventually 😂

[@iTammy]

So Taylor is Scooter? Interesting! We need more proof tho!

[@autumn007]

The guitar teacher knows how to play guitar who works at a record store? I think that was it. Taylor's mom hired him to help Taylor. Sounded like her mom surprised her with the lesson cause Taylor had no idea.

[@bwtawny]

Love the comparison to a gangster. "Hi! what a nice home you have . . .". I could see TS driving up to/past Kanye or Scooters house, saying that to them, smiling, waving, then driving away. With what they know now the terror it could induce. Imagine them thinking "Will it be a song or will the Swifties come?". Delicious.

[@montymartell2081]

I still listen to Tim McGraw that song is sheer genius and I am a rock and roller grunge and I love this song

[@jorgeaguilar406]

If Scooter regretted it doing it to Taylor, then why did he do it again to Justin Beiber?

[@plumafina]

Spoken!!!!!

[@Hey_Jamie]

0:57 Huh? No, people understand completely. People have understood for years. And people already know which songs of hers are about that very thing.

[@Hey_Jamie]

20:07 HOW DID NO ONE CALL OUT THIS UNINTENTIONAL PUN

[@daniellelevine9638]

YAY MY FAVORITE TOPIC!! Taylor Swift 🫶. I’m very impressed that two manly men can talk so openly and honest, and sincerely about her. Kudos to you guys. Much respect.

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

Thank you! Yeah she is pretty awesome 👏

[@autumn007]

I'm not a Swiftie. I'm a Swiftian. 😂 I'm much older than the teens, 20s, 30s. I love her music and will buy each of her album, but won't buy different versions or all her merchandise. But don't go after Taylor. I'll still defend her. 😆

[@56b65]

where can i find the full Paul Mccartney interview???

[@TheChasingMountainsPodcast]

The Paul McCartney interview was from Howard Stern Show

[@jorgeaguilar406]

So what's the point about the computer guy? Ok, Taylor may or may not acknowledge that guy, so he just wants to say something and ride along the popularity of Taylor. So he was asked personally to just avoid those topics in public. He doesn't want so what will you do? That guy was gossiping about the relationship of her parents. Will you allow it?

[@RachelDacusAuthor]

Disappointed with this reaction. The title led me to believe some sort of analysis of a career trajectory, musical development, her shift through several musical genres -- but this episode seems to be more to languish in gossip and "dramas". That's kind of click bait, dudes. There's a lot musically to react to, but this hardly touched any of her music. ~ Disappointed viewer who subbed, and then quickly unsubbed.

[@krishnarajbastola50]

Krishna Raj bastola like ❤

[@samsolace]

Why do industry types like y’all try to stick to “legal” rights as if that is all there is? What about the fact that Scooter Braun hated, hounded, bullied Taylor Swift and her friends for years and was an arch enemy? Including horrible incidents with Kayne West , his client, for publicity of KW new album, using lies and naked models of Taylor’s enter body in bed with naked Kanye and disgusting Kim Kardashian in music video. What about that misogynistic, sexually abusive pic on instagram of Scott Bruschetta and Scooter Braun celebrating “Scooter owns Taylor Swift” with an insert of Taylor bent over a table? What about Scott Bruschetta knowing about exactly how Taylor felt about Braun but money was his God, his family, his soul. Never mind gaslighting and manipulating her for years that she was the daughter he never had and promising her to sell her masters back to her. Plus wtf is so legal about a 14 year old genius being used by a bunch of dirty old men !? They snuck behind her back twice selling out from under her after promising her a chance to purchase her masters. Scooter Braun even told his buyers, Disney offshoot, that she was bluffing about re-recording all that work, but he made sure there was a nda in place so they couldn’t speak directly with Taylor. Plus he managed to further sour their relationship with Taylor by maintaining a thumb in the pie whereby he would still get money from her work even if he didn’t directly own the masters. Taylor wrote Disney that as long as Braun was attached she couldn’t work with them. She made her re-recordings. She said no as the writer for years to all requests to license her og music. They underestimated how much she was willing to give up herself to thwart them. Please, do your homework the next time you speak about Taylor Swift. Stop making assumptions about women in general. There is ALWAYS more to the story than men get at first. Finally, if you think the phenomenon of Taylor Swift and the Swifties is just about weirdness you are completely off base. It is about the connection, the emotion, the stories, the being heard and seen and represented. It is about being loved and honored and valued and appreciated. It is about being understood and having a voice!

[@jame2182]

Scooby doo and crew did steal tay music

[@fredyross7972]

Ugh there's so much inaccurate info..

[@Lemon86807]

I definitely agree with you. She hasn't mentioned that Scott Borchetta initially approached her with an offer, allowing her to reclaim one of her old master recordings for every new album she produced. Such deals are standard in the industry. Even Beyoncé entered a similar agreement, and it's widely accepted. However, Taylor was not satisfied with the offer and declined it. Before she could counter, Scooter Braun promptly secured a $300 million deal with Borchetta, catching Taylor by surprise. Taylor wanted influence over who Borchetta sold his label to, hoping to negotiate a more favorable deal with the new owner. But with Scooter Braun now in control, her chances of striking a better deal became nearly impossible, especially since Braun had financially supported Kanye in producing a music video that mocked and targeted her. My only criticism is this: business deals often have tough negotiations. Taylor seems to want every advantage to tilt in her favor. If she truly detested Scooter Braun, she could've accepted the deal Borchetta initially offered. It appears she wanted a favorable deal from Borchetta without involving Scooter Braun. My only criticism is this: if she detested Scooter Braun, so much could've accepted the deal Borchetta initially offered. Secondly, she wasn’t cautious who wherre her friends,with. That’s why Scooter Braun “swiftly” strike a deal because her best friend Karlie Kloss who is friends with scooter Braun and his wife, due josh Kushner, probably told the story, of taylor and borchetta, in one of her couple dinners. Lol theirs pic online.

[@Paula.dot.c]

In an interview, she said she didn't agree to the one new to one old album because she knew borcheta was about to sell big machine (like he did) and she would have to work with whoever that was for decades, losing even more control of her career. Also, the reason he didn't sell the masters to her is because the market value of his company was primarily her work, so it wouldn't be appealing anymore without her.

[@jame2182]

These "men" actually believe we are interested about their opinion is hilarious

[@TingleTalks]

Oh shit y’all are 40?! Cute affff

[@monsieurtyrell9652]

Fascinating, a 30 minute TS overview from a Bad Blood stan. That's like one of her most universally hated songs within the fandom. Anyways, one thing to know about Taylor's beefs, she will not rest until Scooter Braun's life is in ruins. Like, yeah TVs are good PR , good business move, but I think she truly wants that man d*ad

[@Hey_Jamie]

Wtf? No it’s not lol. Especially since most of the people who talk about it only seem to know the Kendrick version which is NOT the original

[@dorothykidd2888]

Your podcast is a bit too misogynistic. Bye

[@montymartell2081]

I think you made me do something bad was written about Kanye and Beyonce she made a video that swamped him and put them in their place

[@santoschavez9095]

Taylorswift is disrespectful ,rob me ,set me up with her music..I never disrespected nobody ,, the spell cursed is real..

[@jame2182]

Taylor Swift is a brilliant artist and highly intelligent. She did make the decision and choice to RETRIEVE her personal property. We are proud of her. Just another example of her genius. Her music was KIDNAPPED and she successfully RESCUED it.