TAYLORMADE P·770 IRON REVIEW //The Best Feeling Irons Around?

[@maamold]

Gonna call you out on this one guys. Take the short shafts out, reshaft it with your specs - NOT THAT HARD. Yes, TM did mess up your build but you acted like you are out of epoxy and spare shafts.

[@davidmeeks7449]

Yes. A lot of whining.

[@bretts7037]

It's actually funny that they felt so rushed to get this review out rather than spending half an hour swapping shafts and then waiting for the epoxy to dry.

[@mattc3233]

Club champion is the king of KZbin golf club reviews. My favorites are usually the iron reviews, like this one. That being said, I really wish we’d get more actual views from the players position. You guys commentate on the look of them but we don’t get to see anything aside from the computer generated images. Plz start including more iron visuals!!

[@ianfrasergolf]

Noted Matt. 👍🏼

[@djrixxard]

I second this suggestion, for what it's worth.

[@ArizonaLogan]

I third this motion.

[@patporter412]

4th

[@blakebarone1809]

TXG are the King*… Club Champion, well, I’ll be kind, Club Champion are partners to the kings.

[@Station2Station-du2gh]

This seems like a video aimed at punishing TM for sending Irons too short, that we have to endure. I'm 6'3" and I can stripe a 8 iron built 1" too short for me no problem, I just adapt. It's not optimal but I'm not going to demonstrate myself hitting it THIN for 15 minutes and then post the video without any substantive results. Ian, if you can't adapt, have TM rush you a replacement. If this channel moves the needle, they will overnight it.

[@grahamkirk9386]

I wish they would have waited to do this video, I’m sure tm would have overnighted them clubs in his specs to make it right with a big time club reviewer like them. Instead I feel like they let it get to them and they kind of tanked this one to prove a point. The cb review was incredibly positive yet if you look at the 7i carry vs the pw carry was 51 yards which is 17 yard gapping in theory and 770 got called out for 16 yard gapping between 9i and 7i. It’s definitely shame on tm for not making sure they got the correct specs but it’s also shame on txg for not letting them make it right and then get a fair shake.

[@rak694]

I got a replacement 60 degree MG4 to replace my MG2. My MG2 had been custom fitted by cool clubs and I sent through my Cool Clubs fitting. When I got the wedge it was 10mm too short. The response I received from Taylormade is that this is how they build their clubs and refused to change. Half a dozen emails and me threatening ballistic action and they reneged so I dont feel they were too easy on Taylormade. I was essentially blamed for not knowing how Taylormade build their clubs. When its time for new wedges I think I will be replacing my 3 Taylormade wedges with something else.

[@andyaxon8700]

I’d be really interested to see a video of building a combo set with p770/p7cb or a different family and how you would go about it , where you switch sets and how you get the gapping right etc

[@jongeephotography]

It's three clubs. Why wouldn't you just have Mikey reshaft them properly?

[@charlieheimann]

Even easier, 1/2” shaft extenders with 3 new grips. 30mins max. Makes everyone look really unprofessional.

[@Braddles44]

They could have easily reshafted the irons to spec, especially on one of their most popular irons. He is punishing TM to the detriment of viewers.

[@jakephelps4766]

@@Braddles44 Not really. Adding half an inch to an iron is going to give marginal gains, probably 4-ish yards max. I'm not familiar with the whole ruler situation but USGA ruler is the norm I think. Taylormade does a lot of marketing and they send a club not fully to spec to one of the biggest, if not the biggest, club reviewers on the internet? If they can't get specs right for that then what does that say about their regular build quality? They could've reshafted the irons but honestly I think more people should know about TM quality control.

[@Joseph-fc3pv]

They could have fed ex next day air the test clubs in proper spec and done the test a day late. Everyone makes mistakes, including TM & CC. It’s how you respond that matters.

[@Boss302ATC]

​@@jakephelps4766agreed, that's the real point I take away

[@peteharrington6288]

Really frustrating that they didn’t review these clubs with integrity. Cool clubs put them on the robot and they are the best rated clubs they’ve ever tested - even better than the P7CB. It would have been great to see this done properly with a consistent player swing.

[@michaelchu2207]

I've seen bad builds from just about every OEM and even 'reputable' independent club builders, from wrong shaft in the wrong head to sloppy builds. It's the reason why I learned to build myself. Also, I'm not sure why Ian just doesn't pull a shaft from another iron that's in the correct spec and just stick it in a few of the heads he used for this video, it would take him only a few minutes.

[@jordancalanchini3496]

Could not be more true

[@zacharymilos392]

Wouldn't have even released the video and sent them back and requested expedited turn around in the correct specs.

[@gw9189]

Great point

[@maamold]

or just rebuilt the damn club to his specs, I'm 1000% positive that he has the right shafts in the back and some epoxy lying around.

[@wallysnakes2690]

@@maamold the shop theyre in very clearly can and does do club fittings too

[@justinstephenson9360]

TM build quality strikes again! Loving the looks of the new P770s. I have always liked the P770s but in my hands they always spun up a little low compared to my i210s. Maybe TM has yet to solve that problem.

[@wallysnakes2690]

spin is a you problem not the clubs

[@branvann]

Does anyone else feel the callaway bias vs tm? Despise the AI200 clearly being worse than the tm Ian refused to say a negative thing about them. Then this aged Ian was almost upset to say anything good about these

[@tommurnane5362]

Really wish you would’ve waited to get the right specs and done the release/clubs more justice. The 23’s are fantastic and I was genuinely curious to get the full review from you which I know feel was short changed a bit

[@paulmarconi1619]

Sounds like you at least tried to bend them 2 up, but couldn't. So another set of irons that says "forged" on it, but not nearly the same quality as a Mizuno or Srixon?

[@youngunz42]

Watching this makes me happy I went p770 3-5 then cb 6-p

[@prendeville]

Inside baseball question, but are you only allowed to play the exact club that TM provide for these videos? Are you not allowed to reshaft the clubs that arrived?

[@johngenc3782]

Very negative review. Looks like Ians issues with TM are far deeper than just being sent inaccurate iron specs. Disappointing review!

[@Station2Station-du2gh]

100%. Ian's integrity is going out the window. WHen he reviewed the PING 10k driver a few month ago he was all pissy and hit it thin for 10 minutes - and we learned nothing. I don't really rely on these guys anymore.

[@TZOID08]

Wow.... I think someone at Taylor Made is in hot water for sending Irons in the wrong spec..... Ian is a former TM fitter so I think he's not a happy camper.

[@tmajik86]

its his swing not the clubs

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

How hard would it be for them to swap shafts? This is a company that sells itself as customer fitter/builder. Clearly this is an early release product, only sent the 3 irons, I’d honestly be more upset why they didn’t send the ‘normal’ PW, 7i and 4i. Maybe they did not realize the sizing was not to Ian’s spec until just prior to scheduled video shoot. Rather than throwing TM under bus, I’d have simply rescheduled the shoot by an hour and swap the shafts to build clubs to Ian’s spec

[@opus_da_penguin]

@@tmajik86 it’s really not his swing though. Go back one video, filmed on the same day, and you’ll see strike is 2-3 grooves higher on the club data page

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@opus_da_penguin👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 correct

[@thedr8993]

He's getting the full Club Champion experience 😂

[@twang96]

Why would TM have two different rulers? Is one for irons and one for woods? This makes me really nervous ordering a custom set from TM.

[@johnbrodnik839]

I agree! I’ve given up on manufactures trying to figure out what a 0.50 inch over standard is… Mizunos at their current spec are my perfect length. I finally bought a True Blue loft and lie machine, etc., etc. since no one can do simple math anymore 😊

[@troykilberg9032]

@@johnbrodnik839 Son had P7MC's built +0-50 inch and they came standard length. Supposed to be 2 degrees flat and they came 1 upright. Ridiculous.

[@andrewsmeeth537]

Agreed, makes me concerned on ordering a custom set

[@xblindfolded]

I get so confused by some of your comments at times. You guys always seem to say, spin isn't everything. It's the decent angle that matters. Then you only say focus on spin rates. Which is it?

[@canyonaro]

I had the same reaction. These guys are supposed to be the best and they couldn't pull the shaft and put in whatever Ian wanted? Strange. Cool Clubs's robot testing showed this iron as being exceptionally consistent - up there with the Miura TC-201 (Ian's old irons!) and the Cobra Limit3d. I get that spin was lower than Ian would like but I was very surprised they didn't immediately swap to the Pro V1x, which spins a lot more on short irons. Despite his unhappiness with the spin, these standard deviations are exceptional & I'm very interested in this set despite having only one TM club currently in my bag (a very old 3-wood).

[@xblindfolded]

@@canyonaro robots are better ball strikers too

[@canyonaro]

@@xblindfolded True, which makes the dispersions they get with some clubs even more concerning. 😕

[@xblindfolded]

@@canyonaro I'm not even a big fan of TM, but this video doesn't do the clubs justice.

[@Kevin-uj4to]

I appreciate the honesty in the review. The spin is just something for people to keep an eye out when they demo the clubs themselves. The spin window may be different or even preferable for a different swing type.

[@nathaniverson6828]

Taylormade s QC has to change everything I’ve ever ordered from them has been wrong

[@conorculhane3432]

You work for Club Champion. Why didn’t you build them or your HQ build and send them to you right? Makes no sense.

[@jeffdugan2846]

I tested them at CC Grand Rapids and was excited with the results.

[@maaaxx1284]

Great first look and insight as always! But why wouldn't you build them out with your own specs first, grab a previous p770 and THEN review them? The information for the viewer would be so much more valuable. As you guys said yourselfs at the end... Keep it up! Greatings!

[@nealfreeman01]

Can’t wait for the comparison video of all these players irons.

[@dubbs1923]

I just don't get these hollow irons. For someone who wants better irons that are not hollow but are not hard to game like blades what should I look into? So far ZX7, T150, Mizz 243.. Is there something else worth testing ?

[@willadair6178]

Those 3 plus Wilson Staff CBs, Cobra King Tour, Ping i230, PXG 0317 CB. All really good options.

[@inflatablemooseadventures]

Z forged 2 from Srixon are awesome. It's what I play. Yes blades but im like a +20 HC and I can still play them fine - they're super easy to hit.

[@friednapkin]

@@inflatablemooseadventures you'll be dominating the tour in no time at +20, lots of rounds in the 50's. Just giving you a hard time. I had the previous gen zforged and agree they are super playable for a blade.

[@inflatablemooseadventures]

@@friednapkin lmfao obvious typo -20. :D

[@dubbs1923]

@@willadair6178 thanks , I like simple irons so definitely PXG and maybe Ping are out.

[@atamagashock]

I know you said they are 1/2” short, did you order standard and their new way of measuring is what made them that 1/2” short? Cause when I got my 790s ordered standard length, they came 1/2” shorter than my previous irons. I’ve been told you should order them +1/2” over standard, if you actually want a standard length.

[@gw9189]

I own the 23 version and love them. Spin the the 7 iron about 6500-6800.

[@gSF95]

Shocking and disappointing TM couldn’t even build a set to spec for proper testing

[@Station2Station-du2gh]

ADAPT. I can hit my friends irons which are .5" too short for me no problem. Not optimal but not a deal breaker.

[@davidfoulkes1377]

I'd be shocked if TM managed to build a set to spec!

[@wallysnakes2690]

i have never seen tm have a mistake like this.

[@stevenmiddleton7175]

maybe have Mike hit them to see if it's a spin anomaly from your swing or a function of the iron itself

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

Have you seen Mikey’s swing? I’m betting static lie angle between the 2 is 3* or even more. Not that you couldn’t bend them flat for Mikey, given they are forged base clubs, just that it’s more film time and it sounds like the schedule is pretty packed with shoots today…or the day this vid was shot

[@MEAT0]

@@MichaelM-to4sgon these I believe only the face insert is forged, and the rest is cast. Don’t think you can bend these too much.

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

@@MEAT0 Interesting. I thought the base was a forging, then a cast of machined face insert laser welded to that forged base. Thanks

[@canyonaro]

Not TaylorMade (at least prior to this release - not 100% sure about this new one). Forged 4140 face welded to a cast 8620 body. AFAIK only Mizuno & PXG forge every part of their multi-piece irons. Callaway tends to the reverse of TM - forge the body and weld in a cast face cup. TM makes three sets of fully forged irons - P7TW, P7MB & P7CB, so if that's what you're after, that's your list.

[@ezrangel]

How do the new p770 compare to mizunos JPX forged in forgiveness?

[@DonAl9114]

What is the main difference compared to the P 790..?

[@adamspencer9280]

Custom/quality control at TM has genuinely put me off. Guy next to me at the range 2 months back, received the day before TM Qi irons and going on a golf holiday the following day. Took no more than 5 shoots and the head of his 9 irons went flying down the range. He was in the second to last bay and it got lost in the weeds along the fence. Toptracer range guy looked on CCTV could see it in the air but could not find the head at that time. Clubs had come from American golf who apparently get them from TM build. (not sure if that's the case or the component build). The range guy who also sells TM said it was about the 9th time he could remember a TM head coming off but to his memory none of the other OEM's had. It's a one time story but it put me off. Now days I would go to a CCUK or similar to get the shaft I want. PXG only ones that provide a shaft OffTS (Steelfiber). But with those in the past the Ferrulls didn't fit well. Of course these guys are knocking out thousands of sets.

[@mjbone23]

Ian, what are the build specs of your irons? 37.25” 7i and a degree or 2 up? Also curious if you step down in length with your wedges or if gap/sand/lob are all the same length.

[@Misnjef]

TM rarely gets their builds correct in my experience. Its crazy how much they charge and then you get sent the wrong specs

[@patrickbeach3070]

I'd be curious to ask TM. Why 7 iron for the start of the speed slot? If the majority if players like and hit it well, do they need the slot? Why not 6 up?

[@mattsolomon6292]

So would you totally not combo a 790/770?

[@Japip-z6v]

We need a new players irons comparison with these and the newer irons

[@christopherxl]

Regarding spin being player specific - I tested these against my T150s yesterday. P770s saw about 700 more spin, 2 degrees higher launch, and 10 yards shorter. Just goes to show how clubs react differently to different swings.

[@ryanleech4786]

Been waiting for this review and feel like I didn’t get what I wanted with the irons not being in Ian’s specs. I game the 2023 version and want to know how much of a difference there are between the models seen as I gave TaylorMade £1100 last summer!!!

[@iLovettGolf]

it would be best to goto ™ to try the new ones out rather than rely on a free video

[@ryanleech4786]

@@iLovettGolf I don’t want to try them for myself. I wanted the true opinion of these guys who literally hit every single iron that gets released. I really want them to be shit in all honesty 😂

[@yeboyavante766]

They should call it the T770😂

[@evanrumley7030]

They dropped the traditional loft from the first generation. So the new 770's are just the old 790's with thinner profile. Maybe they will come out with a 750's next year that has the traditional lofts.

[@knee1499]

Were the lofts wrong for this video? Yardage gap seems a bit wide between the clubs

[@jakephelps4766]

TM clubs not coming in to spec is not all that surprising tbh

[@TheSPM1000]

Are the shafts the right length? Haven't heard that mentioned yet.

[@ianfrasergolf]

It’ll be the last time we have to test equipment at the wrong spec, which is a good thing for the channel.

[@wiilliamjohnson2880]

Gap between 9 and 7bis like 30 yards.... please explain

[@James__123]

Do we really think there is a significant difference between these and last years model?

[@pdmv8471]

What did they swingweight at 1/2" short?

[@redefinedM3]

NOT the review outcome I expected. I ordered my 770's a few weeks ago, sad times. Haha. I hope it was just a fitting thing being in his head, the spin is odd.... maybe different shaft?

[@kyleholod2828]

Ian is rattled about the half inch shorter shafts haha

[@tmajik86]

its his swing not the club

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

They are also 120S, I believe his gamer is 120X. It sounds like the lie was too flat, maybe because the shafts are shorter he wanted more upright lie. The fact is 1/2” in shaft length is significant. It’s something you can adapt to over a couple sessions but this was going in cold, stretching then performing test on 1/2” shorter club. It’s going to affect ball striking and impact position of club face

[@seanpeacock5595]

⁠@@MichaelM-to4sgmake for a really slow round if you need a couple of sessions before I switch to a club 1/2” shorter 🙄

[@Sportsfanatic7-7]

@@tmajik86ignorant comment. Just go ahead and tell everyone you don’t know what you’re talking about

[@marcuszettergren8885]

@@seanpeacock5595 Do that for every shot on every hole and you'll have a pretty hard time. Or, hit every shot a club short on every green, maybe even hit the drink playing in tournaments. Mix it in with the calculations from a flyer lie for good measure. Golf is all about confidence in every part.

[@jduncanm3golf]

TM uses 2 different ways to measure length? 😮

[@massey8]

Love the channel usually, but this a poor review of a club a lot of people want to see (I have last years P770 and love them). TM obviously made a massive mistake here, but then why not wait until they’re fit correctly? You always speak about the importance of a correct fit, but then review clubs not fit correctly 😞

[@jonathanmccain5903]

Could the 1/2” short reduce the dynamic loft a touch and the spin reduce because of that?

[@lawbinson]

I think it isn’t necessarily universal. It might just mess with your normal swing mechanics and the results could go either way from person to person. What it does do flatten the effective lie angle.

[@jswiecki1616]

Please do PXG 0317 T against these!

[@ArmyGolfBC]

Ive always struggled to get thin faced, hollow irons to spin properly without bending them very weak. I just think they are for a very specific player, but that player might as well go 790.

[@MEAT0]

1000% this.

[@rogerthat24]

My next iron set will be T150 or JPX Forged. I'm done with TM clubs.

[@robpottergolf]

That’s really concerning that the actual TM HQ couldn’t build the clubs in the correct spec, for one of the worlds most popular and successful review channel and club fitters! That for me puts worries for consumers that the product they may receive from them when ordering at other retailers could be poorly built. Great review as always gents, but could hear rhetorical disappointment in your voices

[@F5BOTD]

It certainly feels like TM had to get something to market and opted to retool the p760s and RAC irons. Not a fan of either line of their irons this year

[@martinklausmeier-brown75]

TM had set the 770 lofts so that they combo well with the CBs, but they are +2.5deg to 790s, so don’t know how you can combo 770/790.

[@neiltaylor1765]

It's in their custom order chart how to blend it

[@ryanleech4786]

Bend the 790’s to suit

[@marcuszettergren8885]

Haven't checked, but are their standard off the shelf irons .5" longer than their own rule then? This is a really shitty product unless this was a true anomaly.

[@ryansosnowski3705]

Safe to say Ian is not a fan lol

[@Brock1996]

770 vs JPX Forged

[@coreygardner8424]

Sorry guys, too opinionated for open reviews... it seems if you like them b4 u hit them its a great review and if ur on the fence its average. You say get fitted and buy them but really u guys push the CB's etc coz u love them but u are both single figure players... but the driver review from titleist had very different figures than in ur bay?

[@stacks4943]

Any talk of a new/updates P790 coming soon..? Cheers fella’s…

[@curtissmithgolf]

One already came out last year. Not gonna happen again till next year maybe even 2026

[@stacks4943]

Got it… Thanks for the quick reply… 🍻

[@ryanleech4786]

@@curtissmithgolfa p770 came out last year and here we are. Anything could happen 😂

[@golfatit3140]

Shaft maybe ???

[@nmaschas]

Thought low on head of an iron decreased spin.

[@jim60631]

It's no different than a driver, when you hit something beneath the cog launch lowers and spin increases, hit higher up the face and above the cog launch increases and spin drops. That's why intentional mini-thins with a high lofted wedge launch lower & spin higher.

[@elbowyeish]

Game over for Taylormade

[@treymason124]

Title a bit misleading, no? Review claims they are high pitched, techy feel.

[@sievans79]

Taylormade have marketed these as lower spinning, higher launch irons. So I'm surprised, at your surprise.

[@Chadb11]

Straight from Taylormade’s website: “TaylorMade’s FLTD CG and precision milled clubface create high launch with the long irons, and lower launch, HIGH SPINNING shots in the short irons.” At least for Ian, the short irons were quite low spinning….hence why he pointed it out.

[@zacarich]

TM is total trash as far as quality goes.

[@Citizensofthecountry]

You probably want to send the right set up for Ian, yikes...

[@gavinobrien7828]

You guys couldn't pull the shaft and build it to your spec??? Come on!!

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

So you sell a million TM clubs and get the call your tests clubs are in. Only to find out TM does not have quality control or client service up to standards....So now imagine being a simple client and not a Club Champion....Boy

[@SumTingWong99]

First!!! I want a set of these or P7CB

[@Longarmshortarm]

770s vs mizzy 243 please Ian?

[@masterjobob4545]

"Disapointed" like Darth Vader's disappointed in everyone in Empire Strikes Back... Keeps hitting it thin like its a half inch short...

[@dghustles1118]

How were you not able to change the length? How can you not change the shaft? Complaining that the clubs are not the right spec, which obviously had an impact on the review, is absurd! You are the biggest club builder in the world and you just did an entire review of a club without the correct specs. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for club champion

[@ZeeK33NKS]

They likely need to send them back. Probably wouldn’t be wise to rebuild them and risk a potential error. Possibly not allowed to build with them yet as well? Just spit balling

[@mikewilliams6086]

Nothing worse than hearing the review of a new club hasnt been built to your spec right from the start.

[@vinnycancilla3700]

I love the click bait title. They know these aren’t even close to the best feeling irons. Such bullshit. Shame on txg

[@josephvaynerchuk8689]

Ruh-roh Taylormade once again delivering a shitty product

[@tannerfamily4152]

This is such a terrible video. What a waste and it’s 100% the fault of yall.

[@tohmsono5081]

bulls**tting continues

[@ianfrasergolf]

What do you mean by BS’ing?

[@greatwhite3676]

Wait TM clubs are shorter? I have always felt that. I'm not tall and i strike them thin sometimes for that reason.