The Better the Original Game, the Stronger the Fighter

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[@TCNick3]

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[@NITE_CALEB]

Ok i will not

[@MoonzBoom]

They should have made your code 42069 😭

[@blehbleh8662]

Where’s Steve?

[@ThatOneEpicMemeLord]

@@NITE_CALEB🤐

[@Tenzin-Teauqzz]

Nick making that bag

[@CaudilloJunta]

8:10 editor has become Brent's best friend and Vernias' worst enemy.

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

It's not the Vernation if isn't in shambles.

[@diabeticman2194]

Vernation in shambles rn

[@erwan6227]

Ironic that he used kirby music for this moment though

[@misterzayd_]

Video idea: Joker but the grappling hook pulls you toward your opponent instead of the opponent getting pulled toward you.

[@TheUltimateGooner]

7:31 aint robobot in the 90s?

[@Hes_Gone]

Yes

[@jezkirr]

Under one century gang 👇

[@Fireluigi1225]

I noticed a trend with making characters a larger for a buff amd slower for a nerf. Could've used more variety...and an actual list of changes.

[@NaviJ98]

2:30 4 points below average = Speed reduced by like 70% bruh

[@neminem233]

KIRBY'S EPIC YARN #1 RATED KIRBY GAME LET'S GOOO BABY that game was my childhood let's goooo

[@acezelpyer6]

Your editor has good taste. Don't think I didn't hear that Battle of Spirit from Tales of. :)

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

This video has made me not regret not subscribing.

[@SullivanWenger]

the brent jump scare lol

[@isgamer-8732]

Toon Link technically got shafted. Triforce Heros is actually ALBW Link they just changed the art style. If you look closely it's still a different design from the other Toon Links. They should add more Links, Zelda's and Ganon's to smash though. No repeats though. There's 11 Link's, 12 Zelda's and 4 Ganon's. No point in having the same version of a character so no having Ocarina Ganon, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess Ganon because they are the exact same Ganon. Instead they should just change Ganondorf to actually have attributes from all 3 alongside abilities from ALTTP, Oracle, and Zelda 1 since it's all the same character. ALTTP Link has 4 games to pull from and should be added. And Zelda has Phantom for some reason. Thats ALTTP Zelda she shouldn't have Phantom, Spirit Zelda would. Also the Toon Link in Smash is from Wind Waker and has no wind... Maybe in the next game.

[@GAMEandRODO]

Came from Twitter, they weren't lying, literally 10 seconds in.

[@lincekawaiilindi5422]

Do killing with every single Rosa move pls

[@bandannadeefan8253]

Ok for me and SA2 I still play it now on my ps3 me and my dad play grind race and jump off the rail and jump back on after the 2nd check point

[@kirbyx2573]

This is honestly a really cool concept! I'd honestly love to see how all characters are re adjusted and how different they would play!

[@Ace_Bishop]

*cough* little Mac *cough*

[@RoninSaw]

@@Ace_Bishop big mac, no ground all air

[@ExpandDongMan]

Love seeing a more canon Ganondorf 😂 Blown away by how creative these videos are man. Never ceases to amaze me and keep them coming King ❤

[@superhappygamer1162]

Canondorf.

[@Wakaplayer12]

​@@superhappygamer1162 atta boy😂

[@NITE_CALEB]

Yes

[@kolbecha]

Nick did mess up tho, on metacritic Twilight princess HD is an 86 where as the original game is a 96

[@Dontannoyme34894]

@@superhappygamer1162condomdorf

[@theseus3465]

Nick isn’t pregnant but god damn he delivers

[@notaguy4289]

HAHAAHHAHAHA

[@beratgamerx8459]

But he is tho

[@4546Bean]

Yo

[@pbsandwitch]

That’s hilarious and true

[@crimsonstormsurge]

Wtf

[@greentoonlink]

Watching Pit was like Mumen Rider in One Punch Man We knew he wasn't going to win, but damn if we weren't cheering for him all the while

[@diabeticman2194]

That’s a phenomenal comparison!

[@ehx3419]

Not really. After that first Pit match, I was 100% convinced Pit would be taking it home. Then DK came in and I thought "if Pit loses to anyone, that has to be DK". Which was proven right.

[@evanstudios69]

i wanted him to win against bayo which he did but against dk NOBODY SHOULD HAVE been hoping for that

[@venomgaming7014]

And then he DID win.

[@Oblic008]

It's kinda sad that we live in a time where a 77 out of 100 is considered a "bad" game. I understand this was all based on the scale Nick more or less made up, but he was REALLY harsh on anything lower than an 80. And I'm not pointing at Nick on this one; this is the general trend of the gaming industry in general...

[@justinholland6132]

It’s really not that deep it’s just playing it up as a joke. A 77 score isn’t bad at all

[@e.m.2168]

@@justinholland6132I think the scale also is skewed based on the games available in this mod. It’s only games of smash characters, so it’s unlikely to have really badly rated games in it.

[@banjo9158]

Being a harsh with lower than 70 makes sense, but 80??? really??

[@Oblic008]

@@banjo9158 Really? On whose scale? Even if you were to take an academic scale, a 70 is at least average. Sure, that's not great, but it should be better than most games. A 50 should mean it is right down the middle not "failing".

[@banjo9158]

@@Oblic008 Yeah, but average mean it could have been way better, i can understand being harsh about that, but 80??? freaking 80???

[@tommys1689]

Kazuya coming in just to prove bigger isn’t always better. Respect.

[@alibekzholaman2923]

I mean before ganondorf Kazuya was the one to abuse his size and speed

[@Unironic_Plant_Main]

I love the concept and this was a great video, but it feels like the buffs and nerfs could’ve been… more universal? Like most of the buffs and nerfs were simple. Size changes, speed changes, and strength changes. It made sense. But then you get to DK, who has a buff for Up B distance, and Wario who cannot use Up B. And Sonic’s nerf is his insane speed decrease. I feel like it would’ve been more in line for DK and Wario to get attribute changes (Wario maybe gets a decrease in air speed and DK gets a buff in air speed for example). They just stuck out like sore thumbs.

[@gumeo3806]

Yeah I thought this video was pretty dumb like almost all of the characters buffs were like size increase or something useless like he did olimar so dirty

[@JosephJohns-xi1qb]

Seriously, why is being bigger even considered a buff? Like, yes, more range, but also bigger hit boxes.

[@vegitosaysalright2365]

@@JosephJohns-xi1qbSize usually makes you stronger in smash

[@bilalgill6722]

Brother the nerfs were worse bc their bad games were worse lol

[@matheusvasiliauskassoares4361]

Aight, Who's out there dissing Banjo Tooie? We gotta throw hands now. Also funny how Kazuya was carried by the ONE Tekken game he was not in

[@lazypaladin]

The fact that Kirby's Epic Yarn is his best rated game. _Makes me feel all fuzzy inside._

[@7evene1ev3n8]

I know I literally had to go see on metacritic, but apparently just like rotten tomatoes, critics don’t know what the hell they are talking about

[@opbattleaxe8744]

I love that game to pieces sound track is so nice and I loved collecting stuff for my Kirby’s pad!

[@E_Fig05]

Good fuzzy, right? Because Kirby's Epic Yarn is an amazing game.

[@Hes_Gone]

I was so surprised bc Epic Yarn it's my favorite Kirby game! but also made me see something it's clearly wrong with the critic as always... that CAN'T be the higher for a Kirby game, no Planet Robobot or Forgotten Land? like DUDE

[@maxhance6772]

should've been super star.

[@aquarios7851]

What a handsome video from a handsome man

[@shimoneta4170]

PREACH

[@Nannon-p5g]

Wtf

[@MoonzBoom]

This video gave me so much nostalgia. Makes me wanna replay some older Nintendo games

[@luigimcdingle1951]

calling an 86 a "bad game" score is uh. certianly something

[@Fonzzz002]

"no amazing games" *shows scores of 85/100 and 90/100*

[@kittyratrawr]

it was kinda poetic that it was the worst character vs one of the best, almost like they both trained for years and had to prove who was the best. although we got the bad ending :(

[@diabeticman2194]

I really wanted Ganondorf to win, he reminded me of Ridley in Alpharad’s cpu tournaments, he was nasty with the gameplay

[@biomecraft356]

It's nice to see the CPU tourney return!

[@Mepphy99]

6:10 ah yes, the best Wario noise

[@TKNinja37]

13:28 -- Doctor: "Crotchuya Mishima isn't real and he can't hurt you" _Crotchuya Mishima:_

[@xProErax]

10:48 Man this is the problem with re-releases of older games on metacritic. They get a new score of their game as if it's a new game that came out and people who reviewed the game treated as if it was released that year and not when it actually came out. I know the game itself has it to where some cutscenes are messed up as well as the game in general not being as well designed as the first game, but still. And the worst part is that they treat the first game as if it was the N64 copy, while they treat the second game as if it was only released through rare replay even though both games are on that game so that makes no sense at all!!!

[@gagejoseph91]

"Pit, we only nerfed him. His games are not good according to Metacritic." ...83/100 is NOT GOOD...? Waitwait, Bayo's 86 is GOOD, but Pit's 83 is NOT GOOD?! I smell bias. EDIT: (Finishes watching match) YOOOO, MY BOY, THAT'S IT! SHOW THE BIASED HATERS!!

[@kestrelynn]

U should do this again but based on personal opinion two players split the cast in half based on what games they've played, and then rate the games theyre from, buff and nerf the characters then play each other Like i really like kid icarus uprising and fire emblem 3 houses so id pick those 2, and Dark Pit and Byleth would be really strong. But if i got corrin, id rate their game like a 5/10 so they'd be pretty bad

[@rubberduck8096]

Would love to see a similar idea with flat multipliers based on the first game the character appeared in. For example: Pikachu's multiplier is based on Pokémon Red & Blue, Chrom on Fire Emblem Awakening, et cetera.

[@Darksteelmangle]

Dont care what you say, sonic has been my main since brawl and I won't change.

[@MinMin4theWinWin]

Cmon. You can't just say make sonic bad just because 06 exists. Wtf.

[@Hes_Gone]

06, Boom, Forces, Frontiers... the list goes on and on

[@Pokenvenom]

@@Hes_GoneFrontiers?

[@Hes_Gone]

@@Pokenvenom yeah

[@Pokenvenom]

@@Hes_GoneI mean, I can understand the other 3, but wasn’t Frontiers well received? Like, even if you don’t like the game personally, saying that Frontiers got the same negative reception as 06 is just straight up false. Unless you mean just gameplay wise they’re comparable, which is subjective but more understandable.

[@Hes_Gone]

@@Pokenvenom I mean as a bad game in general

[@huddled_up]

2:48 "no amazing games either" nick you haven't even played pikmin and the lowest score is an 85 😭

[@TheCronq]

Bro Dark Pit should be top tier in this video. Kid Icarus:Uprising is undrated as heck.

[@Squidwolf]

I know this video will be honest and unbiased in totallity. Love u Nick

[@NeoCinnamon]

Kind of bizarre how Pikmin had 2 buffs and both decently high scores for both lowest and highest yet was held back on buff cause a 90 isn't that high. Like bruhhh, justice for Pikmin

[@slitchey]

Right like how high are his standards for these games? A 90 out of 100 isn't considered great!?

[@Lukas99g]

i was kinda hype to see olimar since i love the pikmin series tbh

[@Lukas99g]

@@slitchey not when its compared to the average of every represented game, apparently also its stupid how you can have not a single bad game and still be worse off than a series that has a single 90+ game and the rest is terrible

[@ThePkmnYPerson]

These hacked CPU tourneys are so fun to watch. How about one where a character gets buffed if the randomly selected stage if from their series? I don't know if that would be possible, but it would be an interesting one to see if it is.

[@captainastro]

Really cool concept! A sequel is definitely needed

[@TarikDee]

that kazuya went way too crazy bro that's my favorite right there

[@toobert]

Starfox Assault ruled, I had more fun with that game in local multiplayer with my brother than I do now with most games.

[@spumky]

Olimars is wrong. It says his lowest is 85, but Pikmin Bloom and Hey! Pikmin were both lower (65 and 69 respectively)

[@GamerSapss]

I like the idea, and I know it's for the content, but it hurts when you call anything that's still above 75 a "bad game". That's like saying that a 4* restaurant is a bad restaurant because 5* are so much better. I would say when you get below 60 is when people consider them to be very flawed

[@Taktaagic]

Seeing Star Fox Assault with such a low rating made me sad. I love that game so much

[@LinkDawnbringer]

I don't know if the persona one is fair to base on all the games since Joker is only the protag in 5 and its spin-offs but I can see why you'd do it that way.

[@lordvampire9947]

He also used tekken 3 for kazuya when he wasnt in it

[@natsu400yrs3]

Funny that Kazuya got a buff from Tekken 3 despite not being a playable character in Tekken 3

[@chococroc5298]

Cool concept but I think it would be better if you did it with people instead of cpus so you can actully use the buffs

[@GumshoeClassic]

I'd say the score for KI: Uprising is actually really easy to explain: The control scheme. The game is really fun, the writing is amazing, but god damn the controls can hamper the enjoyment after you play for a while.

[@BladeOfEmblem15]

9:17 a typical tcnick3 vs vernias argument be like

[@cailieisidro5758]

😂

[@shaghilathar3588]

Liked because Kazuya wins. Bringing that Tekken 8 energy

[@archmagemc3561]

Next tourney should have Sora and Sephiroth. I wonder what their scores would be for something like this.

[@cailieisidro5758]

The Kingdom Hearts battle returns but with a twist

[@swaggydude44]

These buffs and nerfs are really interesting. It really changed the matchups for each character

[@Volt790]

I'm sorry Nick, but you must lose your Daisy Fan Status. She was the damsel saved in Super Mario Land & is playable in Super Mario Run (which despite on mobile is just a normal-ass video game. Just played on your phone). A SWAT Team is on its way.

[@mish8753]

Bro calls games with 85+ rating pretty bad lol

[@Pale_king1]

Its because they are rated worse than smash bros

[@crawlinggoose]

Possible mod idea: Characters have their canonical damage buffs for certain opponents. Example: Mega Man's metal blade does extra damage to plant or bubble (water) themed opponents, Roy's Sword of Seals does extra damage dragons (Reptiles) or demon (dark) themed opponents, or Link's Master Sword does extra damage to evil themed opponents.

[@Blackpapalink]

Richter's uppecut functioning like it does in SotN would be the 1 buff the Belmonts need to be good.

[@cailieisidro5758]

That sounds like awesome content

[@crawlinggoose]

Now that I think about it, the Fire Emblem characters would be kind of broken, since critical damage bonuses work on a coefficient of three. So, if Marth or Roy fought a reptilian enemy, anytime they use a move with the Exalted Falchion or Sword of Seals (which is literally all of them, excluding throws) then they would do triple damage. Also, Megaman would probably have at least one effective move for every character, given his wide variety of bullshit in his kit.

[@ElijahtheLeafeon]

This is the most greatest concept i have seen. Nice job, Nick. Cant wait to see more of them.

[@Blackhairboi9103]

Amazing content Nick, I’d enjoy seeing your content as always. 🤩😁

[@dubhog]

Yes,I know how 🤓 this is,but still 0:06 as a sonic fan,this fucking boils my blood. Everyone is always like "sonic is so bad,his games are all shit (at least the 3D games)" but all they know is sonic 06 and maybe rise of lyric,but most (mainline,but some spin offs too) sonic games are good,amazing even. The adventure games are good,heroes...debatable,unleashed? Good,generations? Good,colors? Good,lost world? Good game (bad SONIC game tho,it could have completely different characters and it would be the same),the classics? All good,frontiers? Good,the adavance games? Good,the rush games? Good No,sonic games are not all bad,far from it (most critics are absolutely fucking wrong,I mean IGN is the most notorious,but most of them are) Again,sorry for the 😡🤓,but I just had to get that out of my chest 6:14 you can probably predict that I really likes that comment,it was endearing and made my day (I will find you)

[@Hes_Gone]

Furry games

[@dubhog]

@@Hes_Gone that's not wrong,at all,they are in fact furries...technically,idrk

[@maskkid]

That's one way to nerf Pyra/Mythra and MinMin.

[@IAmAriqueAlt]

3:15 - Super Mario Land: “Am I a joke to you?”

[@LunaandZach]

Right

[@antonischmo6151]

The King of Evil vs the King of Skill, what a matchup

[@erikchurro3628]

Definitely need a part 2 of this. But with my boy SORA WOOOOOH

[@guypoe244]

Bro! Youssef glow up?!Happy for him 😊

[@stormRed]

It would be fun to see CPU tournaments with previous gimmicks featured on the channel.

[@Eggscellents]

“Size does not matter” Nick

[@browncow5210]

Ganon with attacks that take up 3/4 of the screen is just plain fun to watch. Pretty sure Pit was running on pure drive to end Bayonetta there.

[@SpathiCaptainFwiffo]

Excuse me, what is this slander I see in the thumbnail?

[@HollowCube4]

Amazing video as always I would love a sequel to this video ❤

[@Mateo-v6q]

Do this but with mods

[@LancerkingNoel]

Regarding the Up-B of DK at his fight with Pit. I think Normal jumps are affected by size, but Up-B distance is not. So small DK moves as much as he would move in his original size, that's why it looks like he got buffed in Up-B

[@lebazardecourtot6927]

How did king of skill manage to appear in this video

[@cailieisidro5758]

XD

[@bryanmoton]

First time commenting!!! Been watching sense 2020 glad to see how much you've improved over the years :)❤

[@MicRouSn7]

Kirby's epic yarn being the best rated Kirby game is literally a war crime. Soooooo many better games from his series.

[@jamiegioca9448]

2:23 Banjo-Kazooie: Nerfs & Buffs

[@acemusic_va]

nick: puts joker in explanation nick: puts joker in thumbnail (not this one specifically but in general) also nick: doesnt put joker in the bracket

[@timmyb.3426]

I really want to see how Ness and Lucas would do with this concept. I would assume they would do quite well. EarthBound and Mother 3 are some of my favorite games of all time.

[@Hes_Gone]

Samee but also they only would have a buff since... only 1 game each one

[@timmyb.3426]

@@Hes_Gone True, although technically Ness can have two buffs if you were to include his cameo in Mother 3 as an appearance. But not including cameos, yeah just one.

[@PlatyRush]

Love that ganon got kicked in the balls and just fucking died

[@Quinnie0821]

The fact that Pit actually pulled a win with all those buffs makes me want to change mains right now.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Sonic 06 had a score THAT high?! wow

[@AnimatedPlays288]

13:07 bro the way kazuya comboe banjo to oblivion👌😩

[@DoubleJ466]

That’s just from holding A

[@LinkDawnbringer]

Wow I'm actually SHOCKED that Star Fox Assault is rated so low, like I knew people didn't like it as much as the others but DANG that's a bad score, I loved that game.

[@LuSiDious]

10:39 ain't no way star fox assault is the worst starfox game....HELLA 🧢

[@windygulch7916]

ganon fanboys truly would lose every vocal cord to support the king of evil ngl i was rooting for him too kinda appropriate the fighting game character won the fighting tournament

[@shaghilathar3588]

His reveal trailer foreshadowed the ending

[@TonymeansAnthony]

This is what the tier list REALLY should’ve been based off of.

[@WilliamX5000]

The Mario series as a whole still counts as Daisy's series, even if she doesn't have her own games. So you sound biased against her, even if you say she's your favorite. Also the ratings of characters' games shouldn't be a way to influence how good a character should be. That'll just piss a bunch of fans off. And I'm not counting myself here, yes I'm a bit pissed, but I'm trying to help you.

[@BetrayedTangerine]

DK64 being the highest rated DK game is wild

[@enriquedum9841]

Who is gonna tell him that Kazuya is not on tekken 3?

[@jstar4396]

I’m right there with you with Sonic Adventure 2. I had the Battle version for the GameCube and it was GREAT!

[@robmacher3253]

One of my favorite games too, and nowadays you can play the Steam version and it's really easy to mod.

[@lucasdellamaggiore]

Shulk Best games he's been in: Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii) and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Future Redeemed (both 92 on metacritic) Worst game he's been in: Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (83 on metacritic) Seems lore acurate, this man is busted!!

[@hotdogking5815]

The lack of animal crossing representation in this tournament hurts

[@pyromaniac000000]

I fucking predicted that last match so perfectly! After i saw the kazuya and the ganon, i knew it would come down to them, and i knew kazuya would take it! I mean he is the strongest cpu by far, and honestly the kazuya cpu doesnt use too many smash attacks, except for down smash which he often uses for the spike, so the nerf wouldnt matter. Really you just gave the kazuya cpu steroids, and thought he could be beaten, YOU FOOL!

[@prisca7766]

I like how he talks about sonic o6 but doesn't talk about sonic one, the game that literally revolutionized gaming

[@Hes_Gone]

The game that ruined gaming unfortunately

[@prisca7766]

Which game

[@Hes_Gone]

@@prisca7766 every Sonic game

[@prisca7766]

@@Hes_Gone are you rally going to be this negative towards sonic games

[@Hes_Gone]

@@prisca7766 it's not being negative, it's being realistic - Yuji Naka

[@super_jak]

Mistakes were made with Toon Link's buffs. His only other game is not Triforce Heroes, but Phantom Hourglass, which got a 90 on metacritic. This must be rectified or Zelda fans will keep spin attacking in their graves after death.

[@KayzIdeas]

I'd love to see this but in a tourney with the Party Crashers gang using trained amiibos whilst arguing about their amiibos AND what the better game is. Also, Nick became literally every Smash Bros. tournament announcer that I've ever heard with his reactions. Noice.

[@JoelTheParrot]

7:27 Wait why is Epic Yarn the example there? Kirby with air speed buff is OP just in general tbh tho, as long as the CPU uses them well. But uh, we know Kazuya's winning this, right? ew dk won because of rage, L, L, L 8:56 wait what? both games are in the green tho poor banjo-tooie, it doesn't deserve that, i think your review site is just trash pick a better one next time you do this kazuya straight-up shouldn't've been here either lol