J R R Tolkien vs George R R Martin | ERBreakdown History Teacher Reaction

[@OtakuJuanma2]

"The genre is called fantasy, it's meant to be unrealistic, you myopic manatee" Is one of my favorite lines in all of ERB.

[@Arkouchie]

I love this specifically because people miss it so often

[@RedismycolorImDeadpool117]

Exactly. The battle was over the moment he said that.

[@user-bl8cd2xd4g]

It actually doesn't make much sense because the genre fantasy has unrealistic universe settings like magic and imaginary creatures, but it doesn't mean it can't have realistic human drama or conflicts.

[@Zeppongola]

@@user-bl8cd2xd4g I think the point is more that it's unreasonable to *demand* a fantasy story include those elements. A fantasy story is something that embraces suspension of disbelief to allow for fundamentally unrealistic narratives; there's no rule saying you can't treat this as "real world logic, just with magic and elves", but there's also no reason why that suspension of disbelief can't extend to have deaths only occur at narratively satisfying moments, rather than at random intervals for the sake of real-world realism.

[@user-bl8cd2xd4g]

@@Zeppongola In this battle, George Martin disses Tolkien's works for being predictable and boring, which is a criticism on the narrative, and he never said anything about the genre being fantasy. Tolkien counterargues that "the characters shouldn't die randomly" which is also a criticism on the narrative, but his reasoning is that "the genre is called fantasy" and therefore "it should be unrealistic" which does not logically connect because the "unrealistic" features should only apply to the settings and not how the plot delivers.

[@sayascarlett3187]

Last line.. "You can't reach this "fellow-shit" (fellowship) i'm "too towering" (two towers), everytime i battle it's "return of the king" (the return of the king). Entire trilogy in a single line. Fire as fuck.

[@jcola477]

I missed the two towers

[@sayascarlett3187]

😅

[@undertakernumberone1]

"I gotta go with George." Tolkien Fans: "So you have chosen... death." :P "The movies were good... really long..." Not long enough! :P

[@LucasF25]

Man... I really couldnt keep up with the first movie... Halfway through i was already dead and gone-

[@DBZ666Dante]

I agree, i have read the 1st one and a lot of stuff was not even in the movie xD But I could watch the films again and again, they never tire me

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@LucasF25 first one is definitely the hardest to watch just very slow.

[@Souledex]

They couldn’t handle the Silmarillion

[@ms_scribbles]

@@Souledex Nobody sane could handle the Silmarillion. Good grief, it's like reading all the most boring passages of the Bible.

[@elusivebard]

I love the C.S Lewis line a lot, they were such good friends in college that they even borrowed stuff from each other for their books and may have based characters off of each other. One good example is in LOTR there’s an inn called The Prancing Pony in a town called Bree while in the Narnia Chronicles there’s a character called Bree who is a talking prancing pony.

[@mish375]

They also wrote comments to support each other's books. Tolkien wrote an intro commentary for Lewis' Space Trilogy and the two reviewed each other's works constantly. Also Professor Digory was inspired by Tolkien and Treebeard was based off of Lewis.

[@TDM1138]

The C.S. Lewis line is actually because Tolkien and Lewis were very good friends. Of course he also wrote well known fantasy, but just a little extra bit trivia.

[@heroofcanton101]

"Got my children making millions off my Silmarillions" The Silmarillions were three incredibly beautiful gems. And Tolkein has his 3 great works, The Hobbit, LotR, and The Silmarillion itself. He is saying that his three greatest creations are beyond compare.

[@vincentwerts4724]

I have to argue one point. Frodo really didn't survive his experience. He was never even able to enjoy his life again after that, because of the spiritual wounds he received. That's symbolic of people after WW1.

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

The D&D KZbinr/author Matt Colville had a fantastic video about Tolkien and the Shire. Highly recommended. It’s somewhat illuminating

[@molokoko786]

Frodo is effectively a stand in for many survivors of WWI who could t go back to life the way it used to be. He had been put through the wringer too much to ever recover.

[@krzysztofdabrowski9399]

Also, if LotR is so predictable, did you predict that Frodo will fail? Because he did. He is a tragic hero. He went through hell to fail on the last step. Arguably it was literally impossible. The Ring had to destroy itself.

[@kaledmasterme]

In real life Tolkien and Lewis were close friends.

[@danabell2709]

Yep, the Inklings would have been a fun group to sit in a corner and listen to discuss stuff :)

[@andreja9425]

They used to smoke weed and take mushrooms together lol

[@dragonangl2161]

I believe Tolkien was the one who converted Lewis to Christianity.

[@LED816]

They made their stories as a bet to see who could create the most immersive series.

[@Metalhammer1993]

@@dragonangl2161 that's true. although Lewis chose Catholicism and not Anglicanism. However Lewis was a bit more liberal than most Catholics so Tolkien and Lewis agreed on lots of things. And Lewis later turned out to be one of the most important Christian writers especially specializing in Apologetics which has nothing to do with apologizing but refuting atheism or other Christian denominations. In short lying with the bible and science (or rather willfull misconstructions of it like denying the existence of the sun when milking the second law of thermodynamics to "prove" evolution can't be true. Yes a higher ordered state needs energy, meaning building up a complex organism takes energy, but luckily we got a massive fusion reactor just blowing out energy like crazy) to prove Catholicism is the only truth and you deserve to go to hell for your stupidity if you don't see that. Kinda hypoocritical coming from a dude who was an atheist until his late thirties.

[@skyblu81]

You had to know you chose wrong when Tolkien took off the ring at the beginning to take care of light work

[@tbnelson4262]

That actually was so heat like so subtle but really cool

[@j.l.m.6954]

I never caught that until just now! Tolkien is king no doubt! 💪🏼

[@mattstanford9673]

"I gotta go with George." Me: "Well, prepare to be 0 and 21." X'D

[@warmmilk9480]

I mean, I haven't watched that many of Eddie's ERB reactions (I'm in the process of it)... Genuinely 0-21 though? That's kind of insane. That's the same as getting tails on 21 coinflips (or heads, as I reject the idea that tails is the bad side of the coin lol). In fact the odds are probably even lower than that, because people tend to have at least a little bias for the characters they like. Specifically I remember Eddie not liking Michael Bay's verse because it's Michael Bay.

[@nightangelx1513]

When looking at the realm of fantasy, remember you stand on top of Mt. Tolkien

[@ah-vq4bc]

Well and Tolkien stands on top of the mountain called european mythology and folklore, which everyone seems to forgett. It's not like any of his characters or storylines are really special, if you dig a little. That being said, I still like both worlds but prefer the more mature approach of Martin.

[@sebastianschoefl]

@@ah-vq4bc he still put all of it together into a beloved and just spectacular series of books for both children and adults alike. He created a world, that people around the globe fell in love with. He definitly deserves the prais he gets.

[@ah-vq4bc]

@@sebastianschoefl He sure did. And as I said, I like them too. I just can't stand it when people pretend it's the be all and end all of Fantasy.

[@sebastianschoefl]

@@ah-vq4bc fair enough

[@Punaparta]

@@ah-vq4bc I think NightAngelx1 meant it as a reference to something Sir Terry Pratchett said once. I'm paraphrasing, but Sir Terry said that Tolkien looms over modern fantasy like Mt. Fuji looms over traditional Japanese art - sometimes it's clearly front and center, sometimes merely a small element in the background, but it's still there. If you do see an artwork without Mt. Fuji in it, either the artist sought to deliberately exclude it from the picture, an interesting choice in its own right, or *the artist is standing on top of Mt. Fuji.*

[@JourneywiththeJoyners]

Tolkien took this for me dude!!!! “ you hobbit my whole shit you uninspired hack!” Ended it right there lol

[@demonic_myst4503]

It was wrong tho doesnt hit hard when everything he listed he was either inspired by actual history or copied from norse mythology

[@artembentsionov]

I thought that the “age five” bit was also a reference to the division of Middle Earth history by ages

[@riverroth3688]

Tolkien annihilated Martin. It was a humiliating defeat. "Ask led Zeppelin" might be the most "you think you're hot but just. Look at the scoreboard" moment in ERB ever.

[@sairus3239]

"we dont need a backstory on every fkn tree branch" is a reference to Silmarillion where history of Middle-Earth is explained as a branches of a world tree if i remember correctly.

[@undertakernumberone1]

And it's also quite hypocritical, considering how Martin has whole pages on the genealogy of characters.

[@bryansproles2879]

I always took the line to be more about the massive use of the Ents throughout the different books.

[@Rystefn]

There's also the whole thing about the symbol of Gondor and the white tree from Numenor. It's a line with layers, really.

[@HeyyItsDalePlus]

I took this to be both literal regarding the ents but also alluding to Tolkiens constant use of description over anything in his books.

[@SomeRandomDutchGuy1]

@@HeyyItsDalePlus Or as Red from OSP said it: going on a side-tangent about every little thing or being the party comes across.

[@artembentsionov]

Funny how they didn’t mention that Sean Bean dies in both of them. But then it’s a shock when Sean Bean survives something

[@danieljodrey8863]

Lol

[@JoshuaGraves113]

Pretty sure Sean Bean dies in every movie and show he plays in. It's never a surprise. lol

[@jasongarfitt1147]

@@JoshuaGraves113 the exception is Sharpe

[@artembentsionov]

@@JoshuaGraves113 he only gets arrested in National Treasure. Other exceptions include Troy, Silent Hill, Percy Jackson Lightning Thief, Flight Plan, The Martian, Pixels, Black Beauty, and the above-mentioned Sharpe

[@Liannin]

Literally just lol'd at this and kicked my feet. Accurate. If you see Sean Bean in anything, you know he won't live through it.

[@HoushouRattengod]

My favorite thing I learned about Tolkien. Is that he created the Elven Language. His son learned with him, and they put in a lot of effort to make it a viable working language.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

It is a real, working language. He had other languages too but they are incomplete. It's awesome.

[@shadowstorm9363]

In the beginning, when Eddie was like, he liked martin to win, I'm like why would you want a 0-21 lol, this ERB was very good man every time I hear Tolkein's last line that "you can't reach this fellow// shit, I'm too towering//every time I battle, its return of the king", I get CHILLS

[@regularguy8110]

Yes, G.R.R.M. was a C.O. during Vietnam. Did volunteer alternate military service at a law firm in Chicago.

[@jaatynytenkeli]

I like that he says "you pirated my arse". Yes I'm like five years old mentally.

[@hawkknight4564]

Longrange Assessment (Assassination) and Reconnaissance Patrol. LARP it’s a former division of the US Army and Marine Corps joint task force. It was disbanded after Vietnam. They became the recon Marines and the Army Rangers.

[@croaker260]

As an FYI, C.S. Lewis and JRR Tolkien were close friends in college and were both members of a literary group called the inklings. They were very very close friends.

[@wingedparagon4448]

This wasn't even a fair match up. A man who re-popularised the genre vs the man who CREATED the genre. That's like putting the king of the school playground against the man who built it in the first place.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

I wouldn't say "re-popularized" it. I'd give that to the Wheel of Time.

[@Rystefn]

@@JoshuaGraves113 Nah, Wheel of Time launched right in the middle of the 80s fantasy revival. It rode a wave that was already happening.

[@bobburris4445]

@@Rystefn agreed. . . I believe it was Dragonlance and the surge of D&D that re-popularised the fantasy genre

[@isaidarkmoon6434]

The Shire-raq line is one of my favorites in all of ERB. Besides the Bush/Iraq and Shire mix, I also assumed it was a reference to the fact that especially back when this came out, a lot of people also referred to Chicago as Chiraq. So this one hits hard af for me

[@grogvaughan5649]

dang... George brought a knife to Tolkien's gun fight.

[@SpectreSpook]

To be fair on the “Drogon” comment: Dany named her dragons after strong men in the family she admired. Drogon is Khal Drogo Rhaegal is Rhaegar Targaryen (hence him binding with Jon because Rhaegar was his father) And Viserion (the one that the night king takes) is named after her older brother Viserys. The dude who got the molten gold poured over his head.

[@PomegranateStaindGrn]

Searched for this comment lol

[@SpectreSpook]

@@PomegranateStaindGrn if you have been effected by an addiction to ASOIAF lore, you may be entitled to financial compensation.

[@randomrant0]

I was scrooling youtube, and then i came upon your video, and i was bored so i clicked on it (boyinaband dont stay in school reaction), i am researching world problems out of curiosity and a lot of the things u said in that video is the same results that i got from thinking about the current main school system as a problem, i found out there is essentialy 2 main problems that are linked to almost every other problem, the school system and money in general, and your video was hopefull for me bcus i saw that someone has figured out the same thing and is accualy doing something about it, i mean, a lot other people are also like this but you had the same vibe as me kinda, idk how to describe it, i just heard that you are responding to almost every comment and wanted to hear ur thought about my theory, i honestly think ur a legend for doin that, keep on goin, good luck, stay strong, ima go to bed

[@randomrant0]

Btw boy in a band dont stay in school is maybe my favourite song ever, i dont mean it like to listen to but just to boost morale and keep me hopfull

[@Zara-tt7rh]

Nice reaction, just now found out you do erbs. Gonna go back and watch it bc ur insight with history and literature is priceless. 🥇

[@TeacherEddieHistory]

Hope you enjoy!

[@charlie.3872]

First, so excited to watch this! As a Lord of the Rings nerd, this is one of my favourite battles.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

Currently re-reading the series now, as I do every year around this time. This was a very welcome video in my book.

[@TDoughter23]

Tolkien couldn't hit him on not finishing his books because of the Books of Lost Tales.

[@TDoughter23]

@Gripen Draken You're absolutely right, but I'm fairly certain that Martin is going to die before finishing his series too.

[@Shaneejardine]

He didn't actually dodge the draft, he was granted Concientus Objector Status and did 2 years of alternative service.

[@danieljodrey8863]

You need to have a cigar that remains unlit until your first victory. 😆😂 I thought you missed the "RR being pirated" but your final pronunciation of Rrrr tells me you caught it. Kevin Smith call out was great, I love that guy even if he came from New Jersey. 😉 Hodor!! My favorite character. I used to sometimes work in the kitchen saying "Hodor!" instead of conversation. Great reaction Eddie, I loved this ERB. Next!

[@TeacherEddieHistory]

Hodor!! 😭

[@danieljodrey8863]

@@TeacherEddieHistory I know. I only followed sporadically, but I fell in love with that guy. So sad when he died.

[@christophercunningham8539]

One thing I wanted to add since just going off the captions is hard to pick it up. There at the end Tolkien's reference to Fellowship is actually even closer because the line is actually Fellow shit. Just wanted to mention because the ERB's are honestly genius and sometimes are even more subtle than you expect.

[@TheMyrmo]

The manatee line is an offhand reference to South Park, I think. The tree branch line is a reference to the white tree of Gondor, which has a long and storied lineage in its own right. Right now, George has been focusing on the latest "Wild Cards" book, so... he's talented, but he's never been what you'd call focused. And dude, in any rap battle, you gotta respect the O.G. That's the guy to beat.

[@monkleyt]

2:44 Yep. Battle's over. GG

[@18videowatcher41]

I dislike the manatee insult purely because I feel like it’s more insulting to manatees than it is to George.

[@YourAverageGamersGaming]

Man, your reactions always make my day! Can I make a recommendation on something to react to? Try Hetalia. It's a satire anime about all the countries and history. It may not be accurate on some things but it's definitely good for a good laugh! I figured you will get amusement out of it.

[@TeacherEddieHistory]

Added!

[@kevinstanton5998]

I love that tolkien has the 1 ring in the intro and when he takes it off, he is no longer invisible

[@Zayamad]

While I must admit that George flubs this pretty hard, I enjoy some of his lines. The entry just flows so well and I honestly identify with the tree branch line. It took me forever to get through the Fellowship because the first 87 pages are describing every thing up to arriving in the Shire. Thanks for the reaction as always!

[@2Links]

I'll be honest, while I'm definitely firmly on the Tolkien side here, it took me like two weeks to get through those first chapters of the Fellowship when I first started reading it.

[@SamvedIyer]

Bought the _Lord of the Rings_ just recently. Finished reading in a week flat. I suppose I just love that dated, courtly prose.

[@bluelagoon1980]

Tom Bomba-dildo killed it for me, I just could NOT get past that section. I really wanted to read the book, too. The Hobbit was my absolute favorite fantasy novel for years.

[@yourneighborhoodxenos]

Good point about the naming of Drogon, but I always gave it a pass since he was specifically named after Khal Drogo, and adding an N to the end of names seems to be a Targaryen naming technique (seen in other instances), and it wasn't just something Daenerys/GRRM thought-up as a "cool name" for a dragon.

[@claudiarey699]

Nah. He named the Khal Drogo so he can justify why did Daenerys named the dragón like that😂😂 Joke aside. Did you Know Frodo's dad was actually named Drogo?

[@hamzamirza5512]

Dany named Drogon after Drogo, named Viserion after Viserys and Rhaegal after Rhaegar. The names of the dragons weren’t random.

[@Esmeagolly]

I mean Tolkien is literally the literary Lord since the good man wrote the dictionary. Also Tolkien is the inspiration for a shit ton of (black) metal bands, like Dimmu Borgir and Summoning for instance Ps. You already won my respect, with the don’t stay in school video as a fellow history teacher, but now you make Clerks references.. 👏🏻

[@TheKhashix]

Another great one Eddie, I never considered that “you want a war George” could be referring to Dubya, but it makes so much sense. Thanks for the discord, I’ve met some really cool people there. And it’s great to see your views increase every time I come back. You’re on a nice steady road of progression my man, stay on that grind!

[@Draien187]

martin spent too much time on weak flex instead of going at tolkien throat. He got some good bars but they ended up lost in weak verses. And that streak is really reminding me of the Undertaker's streak at wrestlemania, time to bring on your inner Lesnar to end it (i'm gonna get soooo much hate for this one xD) Anyway another great reaction, it's still a pleasure to watch you do reaction, can't wait for the next one!

[@TeacherEddieHistory]

More Like Triple H's record :)

[@TheGoauldApophis]

I just realized I was a strange child. I was making Dildo Baggins jokes in 5th grade. That was 2 years before I read The Hobbit but 3 after I excitedly acquired my copy of the LotR trilogy (which I didn't read for another 5 years) and somehow know what it was without internet.

[@Syllaren]

Yeah this is sorta like the tony hawk vs wayne gretzky. The guy who has a flicker of fame and success, vs an uncontested icon of his field. Not easy to win when you're swinging up at a 90° angle.

[@gavinrock6]

The battle is one sided, yes. Your analogy is horrendously incorrect, though.

[@Not_An_EV]

I wouldn't exactly say Gretzky had a flicker of fame it was definitely more than that.

[@Syllaren]

@@Not_An_EV the fuck are you saying? Hawk was the flicker of fame. Gretzky is an undeniable titan of history. Hawk was popular, but he never would even claim to be the best. Just like martin. Tolkien and gretzky on the other hand have created a legacy that goes down in history books. One side has an hbo show and well known games. The other side has a hundred plus records and the legacy of being the foundation of modern fantasy.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@Syllaren But TOny Hawk is an uncontested Icon at Skateboarding... soo...

[@Syllaren]

@@undertakernumberone1 he is a public face of skateboarding. He doesn't even have world records to try to contest atm

[@locobob]

I honestly don’t agree that George kills off characters solely for the shock value. It’s shocking because it goes against the standard fantasy tropes we’ve been trained on. But I just think his characters aren’t imbued with plot armor like so many are. That makes his writing so much more compelling in a way because in order to write a character out of a situation, it has to actually be plausible and not just some coincidence or fate.

[@Memo-oi9vr]

Hi just to clarify Dany named her dragon drogon after her husband khal drogo( like the other dragons raeghal and viserion after raeghar and viserys her brothers) so it wasn't named drogon because he's a dragon. Good job tho, my best historian

[@DMXIII]

A history professor reacting to a battle between Master JRR Tolkien and JRR Martin? Someone give this man a trophy, for he has good taste and values! Applause! By the way, I am marathoning the ERB reactions playlist on this channel right now!

[@TeacherEddieHistory]

Much appreciated

[@jakeand9020]

The problem I have with Martin's killing off characters is it becomes just as predictable as anything in Tolkien's books. By the third book you don't even care about any of the characters anymore.

[@TheGoauldApophis]

David the Gnome was dark as shit. The last episode was about David reaching mandatory death age and having to say farewell to his friends as he went up the mountain to die. That hurt me as a kid.

[@SMARF]

11:50 it was actually about how there is so much lore for the characters in LOTR

[@mattstanford9673]

Randall Graves is my spirit animal. Lol. "Even the fucking TREES walked in those movies."

[@Not_An_EV]

Why am I on a binge of your videos? Eh who knows either way comments help the algorithm!

[@flupflup12]

I have been waiting for this one

[@annasin1987]

Maaaaan, i know that i was one of may who wanted that erb, and the patreon was to thanks for it, but it is just mindblowing on how much you keep in touch and listen to your audience :O And i would have a little question if you see this comment, do you have any knowledge of Anime? or maybe you watch/watched some? if yes i could very very much recommend that you do a reaction on Rustage or/and the rest of the nerdcore scene, cause they are awsome rappers and often mix nice history related bars into their raps. Sooo, for now, just keep up the amazing work, thanks to my days are a bit better, and now to finnaly watch the video ^^

[@aarongauthier8455]

I’m so happy someone else knows David the gnome!!! Everyone I’ve ever asked about it has never heard of it

[@mattstanford9673]

Tolkien created an entire fictional language for his universe. George can't finish his own book. Lol.

[@SCP.343]

I'm going to hell for saying this, but Tolkien did world more building than God did.

[@Himmyjewett]

@@SCP.343 goddamn right he did

[@SebasTian58323]

CS Lewis and Tolkien were actually friends, and I think Lewis recommended Tolkien for a Nobel prize for literature. JRR Tolkien was passed over for the 1961 Nobel literature prize after the storytelling in his Lord of the Rings trilogy was described as second rate. The Nobel prize jury said "the result has not in any way measured up to storytelling of the highest quality."

[@Ashannon888]

I don't see why people give Tolkien's first lines so much credit. Everything he accused Martin of ripping off him, he ripped off previous mythology. SO a pretty weak opening line that only seems strong if you don't think about it. Ditto for his brag about his book sale numbers. Duh, you've only had a what, 50 year head start on Game of Thrones? Not surprised that overall you've sold more books. I'd be curious to know how many books Tolkien sold in the same amount of time Martin's been active, willing to bet it's a lot less of an impressive brag then.

[@xheralt]

Pirate, "Arrrrr, Arrrrrrr". Tolkein is also making the American Sign Language hand position for "R". Dragon/drogon, George is well known for his vowel play...

[@xenomemphate]

"All your good guys survive" Boromir: Am I just a joke to you?

[@romulomontes8884]

Boromir, Theoden, Thorin, Fili, Kili and almost everyone in Silmarillion are jokes to him kkkkkkkkk

[@galadballcrusher8182]

you forget that G R.R. Martin based his books a lot on real history events like the red wedding is the scotish black banquet, the wall is like Hadrian's Wall the whole war of 5 kings is like War of the Roses (Lannisters are like Lancasters and Starks are like Yorks and Baratheon is Plantagenet) And of course with plentiful intermariage between European royal houses incest happened too (not to mention that maimings and torture were common in middle ages) .As for Droggon Danaerys used as names for her dragon brood based on her brother and her family history and of course her husband's name

[@michelejones4844]

Absolutely loved watching this reaction. I think you caught and understood just about every bar in this battle unlike 98% of reactions done to this battle. Thank you for doing this one, its my favorite other than Cleopatra vs Marilyn Monroe

[@SirGrimly]

This is probably a bit out of your comfort zone, but since you have reacted to ERBs already, it would be interesting to get your reactions on some of the Anime rappers (Rustage, Fabvl, Daddyphatsnaps, DizzyEight, etc). If you want I can recommend a few songs for you to check out as well :D

[@SakyTenraku]

If you haven't already you ABSOLUTELY need to see Artists vs. Turtles. :D would love to see your reaction to some of the bars in that!

[@optimusprowse6448]

6:34 Wholesome laugh incoming, that one was straight from the heart!

[@eveyd602]

"we don't need the backstory of every fuckin tree branch" is a reference to Tolkien went above and beyond when it came to his writing. He invented whole languages for his work. Every single Man, Woman, Child, Flower, Bird, location had a story. Tolkien created a full world. If you asked Tolkien about something he shouldn't have considered like "Whatever happened to the tavern girl who brought Strider his drink" He would give you her entire life story birth to death. if he brought up a flower you're going to learn about what it means, how it reproduces, is it an annual or a perennial, etc. Lord of the Rings/The Silmarillion is half fantasy novel half guidebook.

[@hansolav5924]

'fellow-shit'. but for that last letter, he did manage the whole word. :)

[@ubiergo1978]

He should do a Beethoven v/s Justin Bieber ERB reaction, just to have ONE time he's supporting the winner. =P

[@Qwertky]

A freebie! There's no way anyone picks Bieber.

[@Not_An_EV]

@@Qwertky inb4 _"bt bieber clrly won nd wuz da best"_

[@arian9316]

Thank you for reacting . George R.R Martine only has written 19 books in his life.

[@MegaMerlin2011]

Whoa! Haven't seen this in years, and now just noticed JRR Tolkien served in the battle of the Somme!

[@bryansproles2879]

It didn't just end with "Fellow", that's why he said "Fellow...shit,..." (fellowship)

[@bryansproles2879]

Love the reactions, just...you need to pick a winner man 😅

[@nicolasribeirodossantos6082]

10:59 and no, he's not referring to the Disney Beauty and the Beast that we know and love.

[@GödekeMichels_72]

By pointing out that George is under 50 shades Tolkien also attacks the point about him needing more sex in his works. George had it but still can't get past a porn without plot work. While Tolkien cruises in a realm usually reserved for religious text (and Harry Potter) in terms of how distributed his work is.

[@dragonangl2161]

Edgy plots, dangerous villains... for the non-human threats in the Song of Ice and Fire, you have dragons and the White Walkers. Smaug, the weakest and smallest of Tolkien's dragons, would in my opinion outweigh all of Martin's dragons. As for the WW's, their threat is more that of zombies, they just don't stay dead. One on one, I'd say Shelob, the minor subplot villainess (intelligent giant venomous spider) would be far more terrifying. And that last point you put out I entirely agree with - we need the rest of the book series for SoIaF!

[@KazanaAoi]

Might have been said already, but, I'll say it just in case: At the very end you picked up on the way Tolkien names off the three books but you missed a bit, likely due to it being spread over two lines instead of one and you pausing right as he says the second part. "Fellow" "Too Towering" "Return of the King" You got Too Towering and Return of the King, but you missed a bit on 'Fellow'. Tolkien hammers the line "You can't reach this fellow", which is what you picked up, but he quick-starts the very next line of 'shit, I'm Too Towering!" -- So you've actually got "Fellow-shit", and the way he blurs the lines he says it basically as one word: Fellowship. Hope that makes sense. :)

[@TheJerome1502]

George could also ask Amon Amarth which is both a band and the elvish name of mount Doom

[@therealelderking5830]

Ok GRRM got annihilated but one thing in his defence: Drogon is actually Tolkien-inspired in the first place. Drogon was named after Khal Drogo who in turn in inspired by Drogo Baggins, Frodo's dad. George wasnt THAT lazy.

[@optimusprowse6448]

17:00 Wholesome laugh No.2 incoming.

[@sabin97]

i had never stopped the video on the computer and zoomed in. is that text from zork?!

[@brookewise2826]

I know people get pissed about The Hobbit being 3 movies, and I may be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that was because they added a lot of the Silmarillion and his other later works clarifying what he had mentioned before

[@luk4s56]

its so insane we might had never gotten any of the lord of the ring books. if i remember right i read somewhere that tolken was telling his kids bedtime stories and annoyed at being pointed out contradictions he wrote the stories down into books so he wont forget what he told previusly. or something similar like that

[@namecomingsoon9517]

Didn’t catch the “You can’t reach this fellow (next line) sh*t, i’m to towerin” “Fellow sh*t” Fellow ship

[@namecomingsoon9517]

One of My favorite things to watch that involves Tolkien is this reenactment of Tolkien talking to C.S Lewis

[@iCyberDev]

0 in 21... And i thought my league of legends loss streak was a sight to behold lol

[@leoholmlund3181]

Tolkien really won this battle easily. I would say though that I don' t aggree with your point that martin kills people for shockvalue. Especially in the books where every death is maybe shocking, since main characters aren't spared, but it is definitely set up to make logical sense in the world martin built. For example red weeding was very much teased a lot and for example ned starks death didn't feel cheap. My point would be(except for season 8) that when a character should die in the world of Game of Thrones he probably dies even if it's a main character(like very little plot armor).

[@runespar]

FINALLY someone references Children of Húrin!

[@notjakefromstatefarm6460]

Ok the main good guys live bolhimer "am I a joke to you?" He was part of the fellowship man he needs some more love

[@RedismycolorImDeadpool117]

The fifty shades of Gray bar could also be a quadruple because it could be an innuendo for Game of Thrones being under fifty shades of Gray. Maybe that's just me...

[@DonEBrooke32]

OH OH! EDDIE! SPEAKING OF BOOKS! i got a couple of them i wanna show ya. one's completed, the other is a work in progress. 1st, Gaia Rangers GPD 2nd, Jol and Doland (based on Jak and Daxter)

[@liljenborg2517]

Gotta be fair to the Unfinisher of Books (as much as he was properly roasted by Tolkien). George Martin did NOT dodge the draft. He was drafted and served as a conscientious objector in theater in Viet Nam. But as a "consci" he worked desk jobs out of combat areas. Hence the "LARP" charge: he was in uniform but not in combat.

[@princebloodgrave8097]

George R.R. Martin also did some work, on a Marvel comic, in the 80s. My friend has a comic, & his name is one of the many, in it.

[@zacharycooper7181]

i liked when you breifly took of the cap and put on the yarmulke

[@guero_7495]

awsome reactrion mann

[@TheGoauldApophis]

I love the Zork cameo.

[@jenniheinanen8434]

Listening Martin to try and finght the true king of fantasy made me almoast feel bad for him. Almost, I think his books are kinda boring, never seen a single Game of Thrones episode (again, the books put me to sleep so what can you whip out from those?). The hype around the series also put me off since all they talk about seemed to be the sex scenes, which makes it seem like theres little besides that to keep attention in. Lets keep it fair, the first LotR movie gave a little disappointment when they switched Arwen into the place of Glorfindel as a fan service type of move, but aside that I liked how it was done. The other movies went well too. And I liked how the Hobbit was made into more mature style than the actual book, which was geared towards children, was written. And as a player of Lord of the Rings Online, which has been around since 2007, I can say there's a huge fanbase around.

[@DavidSimmons42]

Since you said you had George to win, the second Tolkien started I could not stop laughing. Instant 0 for 21 and it was obvious. To be fair it was a really one sided matchup. I don't think people realized how one sided it would be.

[@acolyteanonymous8941]

You definitely need to watch the Thomas Jefferson V Fredrick Douglas battle. Absolutely one of my favorite history based ones.

[@ChaosArchives667]

Breakfast, Second breakfast, Elevensies, afternoon tea, luncheon, dinner, supper I think is the hobbit meal