Teaching Arena Zoomers About Emrakul and Chalice | Against the Odds

[@zemyla]

When I saw the notification, I thought it was about playing Chalice for 12, then casting Emrakul and getting the cast trigger while avoiding the leaves play trigger.

[@swampybwoy]

hahahahahsha 😂

[@thecrazycapn]

The true Against the Odds.

[@jrjamesson]

would have been an actual against the odds instead of "cast one of the all-time great hate cards" (and also the one ring)

[@ecunillusion5387]

Wouldn't Chalice on 12 means Chalice for... 24?

[@zemyla]

@@ecunillusion5387 It sure would. That's what makes it Against the Odds.

[@zaksaturday1693]

"There is a downside to all the power the One Ring offers, which is sometimes it kills ya" - Gandalf 13:43

[@ursulcx299]

"Key to the city? Really important to this deck" You could say it was a key piece

[@miguelfreitas5343]

Ah, yes Seth 😌 Teach those Arena Zoomers about a card that came out a week and a half ago 😂

[@foundcause898]

So nostalgic

[@martinhall7650]

I think it's an analog for old emrakul which isn't on arena

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

Missing the entirety of "And Chalice".

[@jaryRim]

Maybe everybody playing MTGA are zoomers.

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

Found the zoomer...

[@daxamlhant7285]

In the games where you are trying to find that third land the kozilek's command can still be used for X=0 to dig deeper. 2 mana cantrip isn't great, but stuck on 2 is worse

[@TransformersBoss]

Exile up to one target token creature, then draw a card

[@daxamlhant7285]

@@TransformersBoss I didn't even consider that you could also hit a token. X=0 seems pretty fine then

[@StevenDrawsLive]

That Essence Fuxx tho??? 👀👀👀

[@shadowfox513]

it sure does

[@mewr11]

FYI the chance to hit Ugin's Labyrinth off Devourer of Destiny (Assuming you don't already have a labyrinth in hand) is only 27%. Even with two Devourers, which digs seven deep on your first upkeep, the chances are only 44%. Don't keep a hand that only works if your Devourer finds the Labyrinth.

[@Nostale97]

You can decline to select one with the first Devourer, since putting one card on top is a "may", and dig eight deep if you really need it, and decline as well the second to test your luck with the ninth card. It doesn't improve the chances much, but if you're desperate it's something you can do.

[@colinlynch6491]

But 27% of the time it woeks 100% of the time

[@MitzyPuppy]

13:41 If you played Karn, you could’ve grabbed the One Ring out of your sideboard and cast it to not die

[@erikkleve8389]

Yea I saw that

[@Zerothas]

Also could have just blocked with all the scions and banked on hitting a land with ring + draw for turn to discard Emrakul to handsize to cast it. Would have had 7 life with 2 on the way from Cindervines and 3 on the way from Ring, but with the opponents board. They can play Lurrus can't chump Emrakul but even if they block it you can draw 5 for an answer, otherwise the Emrakul swing is lethal. Idk seemed in the bag.

[@Anaicyl]

At 44:30 Your opponent could have multiple cards exiled with amulet because they flickered the amulet. Because of this, the game considers it a new object and no new card was exiled with the first amulet.

[@svendejong8110]

Find someone who believes in you as much as Seth believes in Devourer of Destiny finding him an Ugin's Labyrinth.

[@corbenmurphy1807]

13:30 the line is: tap ring, play land, cast Karn, minus for ring, cast ring, pass turn. Im not sure if that buys you enough time, but you had Karn in hand, and conceded when you didnt draw another ring!

[@alwaysplaythegame]

Not drawing with kozileks command was brutal in some of these games.

[@TransformersBoss]

44:23 Amulet exiles the card and lets you play it as long as it’s exiled and you haven’t used amulet a second time. Amulet doesn’t have to still be in play for you to play the card. The opponent flickered Amulet with Phelia, so the exiled card will forever have the “you can play this from exile” rider attached to it, and the “new” amulet can exile another card. Pretty sweet interaction.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

9:09 probably on "play 30 black or green spells" so tossing them to chalice still counts

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

I do this shit constantly. I don't care about winning on Arena unless I'm playing Brawl cause I love commander(used to love standard, but that was 10 years ago), so I'll just go into games and cast whatever for the rewards so I can make my Brawl decks better or make new Brawl decks.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

@casteanpreswyn7528 in the ranked ladder and at the tiers where Seth plays im sure they care, doesn't mean when you know you lost, you can't get those last few spells in for your daily. If it's a color I don't have anything very competitive for, ill play unranked games for it.

[@fdterritory]

Timeless seems like a great format for players who have a lot of money and hate everyone else.

[@slaphappy-qb3jb]

That's literally magic as a whole. It's prohibitively expensive to get into

[@Gorbgorbenson]

It's about the same as any other format. There are cheap options, like Burn, and expensive ones like Show and Tell, Eldrazi or Scam.

[@TheEvolver311]

​@@Gorbgorbenson You honestly listed like the only real decks in the format

[@Gorbgorbenson]

@TheEvolver311 that's not close to true. There's a lot of variety in the format, and SnT is far worse now than before mh3. Jund is viable, boros energy is really good, UB control, Belcher though it's a gimmick, grixis shadow, just off the top of my head.

[@wickidgames]

​@slaphappy-qb3jb I've built commander decks for less than $50 that keep up with the more expensive decks. Also pauper exists.

[@johndoe9343]

MTG Arena, but everytime an opponent attacks you while you have protection from everything like from One Ring, a big "NO" appears instead of any attack animations. (any attack triggers can still go off, just the animations are replaced)

[@faceoctopus4571]

That's nice, because before the attack animations happened, but slower than normal.

[@Beam_on_team]

48:21 remember you can decline to choose with devourer trigger, so instead of locking yourself into drawing a medium card you can exile all 4 and hope you have what you're looking for on top

[@davidhansen5067]

57:36 Stealing an Arby with a Magic card still seems pretty powerful, Seth.

[@andrewkoch9027]

q: can't you K command for 0 and still draw?

[@wormspeaker]

Emrakul, the Little Man in the Canoe

[@charlesfuller7774]

Essence what now?! 👀

[@MrNesgamefreak]

“You can’t control what comes off the top of your deck” Scrying: am I a joke to you?

[@xboxgamer474246]

I feel bad for Thought Knot Seer in this deck. There are so many turns where he’s ready to get smashing but he shares a curve slot with The One Ring, which just does what it always does :p

[@Marksmaan]

The first opponent who Chalice checked before conceding may have just been trying to complete their quests for the day sooner.

[@johnwilliams2385]

So, when you play both forsaken monument and arid mesa in this deck, you get to play this whole game with your ugin's labyrinth focused on getting down monument as soon as possible so you can tap labyrinth to return your devourer of destiny or something else crazy and just cast it and then return the labyrinth at something with mesaimprinted mana to have very sneaky turns, like if they don't keep in mind that we are actually plus 3 mana on our next turn.

[@Dot_Eleven]

44:30 -ish. They Blinked the amulet. Because they blinked the amulet it's technically a completely new amulet without any connection the the Phelia that was previously exiled with it. This is why they can have multiple cards exiled with one amulet because it's different instances of the same card.

[@danielmclaughlin8714]

in your second game, you could have went straight to end step, discarded emrakul, paid 6 by saccing a token and with your lands making 5. youre one ring hits you for 2 and you're down to 1. swing in for lethal next turn so long as they don't hit anything to ping you for damage it was gg in your favor.

[@doktorwyvern2883]

Game 2? 13:31 he has 7 cards in hand, he can't discard to hand size.

[@andrewwhite2123]

Gotta watch the Emrakul video the night I played her off of Show and Tell

[@foundcause898]

[35:30] Essence FUX

[@darklord161]

Also emrakul + mana drain is great, because she never hits the battlefield so you never sac your board

[@kaiwilson5628]

at 28:00 you could have cast kozilek’s command t2 x=0 and cantripped. not ideal but draws land faster

[@zargoff8850]

As an arena zoomer, I love being taught about these decks! I'm just glad that I don't have to play against them

[@zeo4481]

Teaching Seth about playing Lands WHEN!??

[@rynegadegamer6414]

I beat a resolved emrakul with mono blue affinity. I had a huge board that emrakul stole. I untapped with synthasizer, played a thought monitor and enforcer, then passed to my opponent. My opponent played a devourer of destiny, which tapped them out. They went to combat and i responded by channeling moonsnare prototype to bounce emrakul. They passed, i immediately attacked and won

[@mark6302]

holy crap Meat Puppets shirt I havent heard about them in forever

[@westonwillard2698]

When do we get the Seth and CGB crossover video?

[@ZeroCr0w]

Is the Urza’s Cave worth a slot or two to try and tutor Labyrinth?

[@Uzotrups]

39:51 didn't you had 6 mana here? Am I crazy?

[@icabob616]

That's what I'm saying! Scooped when they could have played emrakul stole their whole board and hit for 16?

[@bugz6086]

One was unfortunately a drowned jungle which only produces U and G, no colorless.

[@goomshill]

Smugglers copter instead of key to the city might work- less controllable, can be fizzled by removal, but so much better on its own and on board. Of course underworld cookbook would be better if it was on arena.

[@danielmclaughlin8714]

at 39:40 you couldve on their turn activated key and gotten a redraw for a land

[@DarkWr4ith]

They were probably just casting spells into the chalice to speed along their dailies. They probably had like cast 30 Green/Black spells.

[@The7sellers]

*lays down planes* Seth:......OPpPonNET

[@Bigd2k]

The last match, “Italian Stallion” who were you facing Rocky?

[@jaxsonbateman]

Is Devourer of Destiny actually good? I feel like in every game I see a streamer play with it, it's basically "if this Devourer hits Ugin's Labyrinth it's on ", and then it never does (which makes sense, it's like a 4 in 53 shot). Forcing any other land to the top of your library otherwise doesn't seem worth a card that almost never gets hard cast.

[@islandwithbirdsMTG]

any thought to playing once upon a time in this deck? seems like it highly improves the chances of getting the opening sol land start

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

MDFCs are a massive boost to my legacy deck, at least the ones you can bolt in untapped. I mean sure my deck is an unreliable jank combo, but it's an unreliable jank combo that needs red cards in hand to fuel and will actively fail if I have more than 1 land in my opening hand. Sundering Eruption and Pinnacle Monk mean I don't miss out on fury of the horde nearly as often with the only 6 cards in my maindeck that aren't red are the playset of Lotus Petals and 2 Inkmoth Nexus. Pinnacle Monk has a high enough CMC that it gives me another valid card to exile for Blazing Shoal for a turn 1 win with Cacophony Scamp or Pact of the Titan. If anyone is curious: Maindeck: 4x Assault Strobe 4x Blazing Shoal 4x Brute Force 4x Cacophony Scamp 4x Consuming Fervor 4x Fury of the Horde 2x Inkmoth Nexus 4x Lotus Petal 4x Pact of the Titan 4x Pinnacle Monk 4x Reckless Charge 4x Rubblebelt Maaka 2x Samut's Sprint 4x Simian Spirit Guide 4x Sundering Eruption 4x Volcanic Salvo Sideboard: 4x Apostle's Blessing 2x Built to Smash 2x Inkmoth Nexus 4x Pact of Negation 3x Thud

[@shot040]

you could do "teaching zoomers about Reflector Mage". I know the card doens't get played a lot and isn't great, but blink is an entertaining deck.

[@MrThatguy4444]

Can someone explain how in game one when Seth had chalice on 1 it was able to counter Claim//Fame? I thought the aftermath cards are a combined MV of both halves making it MV 3 not 1.

[@manuelito1233]

Combined when not on the stack, MV equal to casting cost when on stack.

[@walkermcmullin8665]

Aftermath is technically a separate spell, so its MV is the cost of the spell currently being cast! This is so spells can’t be countered with spells that require a different MV, like Disdainful Stroke!

[@randomcrap319]

Short answer, Combined MV for split cards is anywhere but the stack. When it’s on the stack, game only sees one part

[@REON-pw5ze]

Sure! There you go: 505.2. In every zone except the stack, split cards have two sets of characteristics and two converted mana costs. As long as a split card is a spell on the stack, only the characteristics of the half being played exist. The other half's characteristics are treated as though they didn't exist.

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Here's a better explanation: The mana value of a split CARD is the combined value of both halves. Chalice doesn't counter CARDS, though, it counters SPELLS. The mana value of the SPELL it countered was 1.

[@adambeard8241]

What happened with the evoked subtelty?

[@lotr971]

You can cast kozileks command for x = 0 to draw a card

[@SilverAlex92]

Hilarious video. Love me some turn 1 chalice action

[@thatoneperson3113]

all I heard this video was "I need to draw a land"

[@ToadboyMTG]

13:20 misplay? Played the land. Could have just madnessed emrakul with spawn token mana and took all the creatures won next turn at 1 health?

[@smokingbeard7796]

dang more cards i want for my eldrazi commander deck :(

[@phantomjoker5362]

Yeah Smacking Um with the chalice.... This is Fire...

[@feelingthislife]

I feel like the audio needs some filtering or something. It sounds high pitched

[@Prophestus]

Could use Phyrexian Scrapyard to pitch Em

[@paulhedges4625]

35:32 essence whAT?

[@jerinbiju7870]

A little slip up

[@vancekuto]

Oh my gods, Seth pronounced amulet correctly.

[@danielrazo450]

Maybe arena is missing warping wail to make this deck playable in timeless. Also, without Eldrazi Temple is very difficult to make 4 mana on turn 2 consistently, and Thought Knot seems really really slow because of that.

[@FlyingDominion]

39:50 Did you not have 6 mana? What am I missing here? Edit: oh, I see. The drowned temple is only colored mana.

[@jacobbrj]

Are there other cards with madness that would work well with the emrakul plan?

[@Altorin]

Howling Mine does some funny things with One Ring and Emrakul. Getting the discard phase emrakul madness is the way to go :P its a funnier deck

[@leemay7780]

I guess Urza's Cave is too slow at 3 mana to fetch? Seems like a nice and janky way to get 4 more chances at Ugin's Lab

[@ther3aper561]

31:00 that's not teaching them about evoke, Subtlety says creature spell. They tried to Subtlety your Chalice

[@MrDabrain75]

Dude chalice with the new ugin land is nuts. My opponet slapped down chalice for 1 turn 1 and completely screwed me.

[@raynmanshorts9275]

This deck needs more lands.

[@allahcT]

I've got bad eyes... Is the deck running 4 of everything?

[@fremenGaming]

I have deck in Historic that can play any creature (including Eldrazi) of whatever color turn 4 from hand, also can play it from grave turn 5 and if im lucky even earlier from lib. THis seems slo :D

[@MrNesgamefreak]

So weird that you aren’t playing inventors fair and cavern of souls

[@Sprotteee]

Just Look up the 14 Days old KZbin Video MTGA Historic Mono Blue Emerakul Ramp of can’t be countered if you want to see how the deck is made correctly..

[@getgudmundr]

35:30 essence what now seth???

[@queensnusnu9653]

i find it really frustrating that arena doesnt offer 2HG or commander really any game play outside of 1v1s

[@Mupwumg]

Is eldrazi temple not in timeless?

[@losmaletones5036]

Min 13:40 no play turn, discard emracul in the end phsse

[@Shishrr]

he would die to his one ring in his next upkeep though, that's why he was digging for another ring. Could've played Karn and gotten one ring that way though

[@FitzgeraldTheWicked]

​​@@Shishrr he would have a death rite, and a pain land to gain 2 life with the matter reshaper in the yard on upkeep *edit just realized cindervines can sac for 2 more though so yea he was dead

[@jonathanstudentkit]

Seth likes his Jellyfish

[@johnwilliams2385]

The new k command

[@mikailgardner2664]

I use chalice of the void with goldbery river daughter in a proliferate deck so i can raise and lower the counters at will. Its dubious and its not allowed at my friendly table anymore.

[@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124]

😂😂

[@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333]

Fun Fact: Emrakul can be affected by the trigger on Infernal Captor's exploit. I know this because I finished a draft 7/1 with a really decent RB Affinity pool that also happened to pull a Persist. I exploited the Captor to himself with Persist to steal opponent's Emrakul (after having exploited the Captor to himself the turn before to steal a smaller Eldrazi and smashed) and kill him in the air cus all the dudes he stole from me were on the ground. It was the last play of the draft set for me. Quite an epic way to finish out.

[@Z3R0SAMA]

Teach them zoomers, seth!

[@iPivo]

Arena needs Tron lands!

[@AutkastKain]

Two for 1 special? Too bad those 1's would get countered by Chalice

[@dougiedoug7543]

My smooth brain, hears kozileks command and thinks Seth is playing kolagn’s command😂

[@boogerhaze93]

Petition to retitle the video to "Teaching Goldfish Viewers Why You Shouldn't Keep Sketchy Hands" after that Soul Sisters game. (Glass houses obviously. I've lost countless games to keeping a single land and my combo in my opening hand. I think most people have.)

[@MidgarMerc]

Seth playing against other 30-40 year olds cause Zoomers don't play Arena: HEHEH TAKE THAT ARENA ZOOMER!

[@alexroel123]

Lost to the shuffler on that 3rd game vs roger. Bad game

[@tomthemime4318]

7:30 Tried making a Storm deck in Historic in Arena using Krenko's Command, Dragon Fodder and Gleeful Demolition as pseudo rituals with Party Thrasher and/or Skirk Prospector turning them into mana. It's not bad but it's not good, lacking the explosiveness of the rituals letting you cast your combo pieces the same turn you combo offf if you need to.

[@marcoskcohen3976]

urza's cave to tutor sanitarium at 0 deckbuilding cost?

[@brunoelieguetta8407]

If you keep a 2 lander on arena you will never draw the third one

[@RumpledNutskin]

We need a "teaching mtgo boomers" series. I would really love to see you try out new legacy

[@franslair2199]

"teaching arena zoomers about the one ring? No, that card came out recently". When did Emrakul the world anew come out?

[@dem7556]

Those pesky 1 week old zoomers

[@wudgethenumbers]

I was waiting the entire video for Seth to realize that discarding to hand size off of Ring draws was a way to Madness the Emrakul, but I suppose I will have to wait for that at least as long as I'll have to wait for a Timeless deck that isn't almost entirely Historic-legal.

[@ketchumall8243]

He mentioned it as a possibility. It just never really came up. The one time it did that I can remember in the video he had another way to discard and cast it anyway so he waited till the opponents turn to try and steal anything else they added to the board

[@wudgethenumbers]

@@ketchumall8243 There were several times where it seemed as good or better than the line that he took.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

oh yeah, that ancient set that nobody knows about... modern horizons 3

[@Malik1378]

Seth, you didn't need to draw a land to play Emrakul, you had 6 mana

[@bouboulroz]

But only 5 of those would be colorless. The MDFC lands don't make colorless.

[@joaquintristan4373]

@@bouboulroz DIdn't he also have spawn to sac?

[@bouboulroz]

​@@joaquintristan4373He only had a Thought-knot seer.

[@boobox2000]

Only running 20 lands with such a high curve. MDFC tapped lands be damned,

[@CyberNewType]

Teach Areana zoomers about a card that just came out less than a month ago.🤔 Umm…okay.😅

[@astuteanansi4935]

GG Wizards on printing another card that is so stupidly broken that the only way to stop it from running rampant is making it so that any deck that runs it cannot ever be allowed to draw more than 2 lands

[@adamtobiasz8793]

You will teach me nothing of a game of cardboard with ink on it brother. Did not watch.

[@jonarbuckle320]

got a badass over here lmao

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Well, yeah, if you don't watch, he can't teach you anything. That's pretty obvious.

[@adamtobiasz8793]

@@jaredwonnacott9732 I watched his other videos to know better.

[@adamtobiasz8793]

@@jonarbuckle320 yeah, maybe. I learn at University.

[@jonarbuckle320]

@@adamtobiasz8793 what does your comment even mean

[@trevorkuhfuss3968]

I think calling Ajani a sleeper card is one of my favorite unintended puns ever🤣

[@joelhaggis5054]

He *was* a sleeper. Now he's been cured.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

​@@joelhaggis5054 so they say...I still think the turned planeswalkers that have been cured will end up being the new praetor like leaders of the next phyrexians.

[@bencheevers6693]

Cat naps