Teakle's Tackle Talks- Switching From FS to Multiplier? STOP!

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

If you are in the market for a new FS reel that is hugely capable, check out the Penn Tidal XT. It does everything you need a reel to do! Jansen www.veals.co.uk/product/penn-tidal-xt-long-cast-8000/?aff=27

[@brianmiles5191]

Another good video! Thank you, Jansen. One thing that needs to be considered is, how the rod is rung. Some rods are rung for multipliers, some are just for fixed spool but fortunately, more rods these days are hybrid rung. You can use a fs reel on a multiplier rod but you cannot us a multiplier on a fs rung rod so always best to check first before buying the reel.

[@archstanton6310]

Multis on my big rods, fixed spool for lure and float fishing.

[@angelaburke6303]

When I started sea fishing nearly 20 years ago,I heard too many horror stories re multipliers and so concentrated solely on fixed spools,so pleased with my choice….your video confirms that…cheers,really enjoy your videos,all the best😃👍🎣🎣🎣

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

Thank you! If there’s any other topics you’d like me to cover, please say. Jansen

[@08dangler]

Nice video 👍 i definitely think this is down to personal preference at the end of the day, there is an argument for both sides and at the end of the day its what the individual is comfortable with and what product gives there fishing the most enjoyment. I personally love my casting specials paired up with a t900 and compressor ss for the bristol channel and use fixed spool bait runners for my winter pike fishing 🎣

[@briainhennessy8656]

I like the multiplyer for rays hounds spurs etc and fixed spool for bass flounder,, basically multi on the 2 piece rods, and fixed spool on the continental rods

[@jamiesmart9016]

I have used used fs forever, i have also recently been trying a fathom cs the only benefits really for me in my opinion is no line twist but the risk of overlay and more power on retrieve in strong tide pull. My fs reels are not the most expensive and i have a quite cheap set up actually,they cast a reasonable distance. Its all about finding the right rod, reel and line that suits you and the way you fish

[@robertknight4539]

Those modern fixed spools are far too expensive for me. I fish mostly clean ground and still use Abu 6500s which I love casting with. Don’t like casting with fixed spools when I do use them, too heavy and clunky for my liking. Can definitely see the advantage for rougher ground and deep water though.

[@kf8575]

Have tried a few friends' fixed spool reels and cannot cast them smoothly at all, seems to be snatchy and affects my bait presentation i gound by casting a bait out then a minute later reeling it back in to check it👎 Multipliers on the other hand, have served me just right over the last 20yrs, cast far enough and retrieve over my local patchy ground just nicely👌 Double up for uptiding very nicely too👍

[@JohnHurlock-x8u]

I personally can't cast a fixed spool like I can a multi. It just doesn't happen for me. I can't bend the rod with what feels like having a great clumsy lump on the butt.

[@charlieharrison9088]

Completely agree Jansen, myself I use a power aero xsb, and always keep 2/3 spools in my box incase of heavy line loss and I think the modern slow oscillation and features of fixed spools now far out way the pros compared to the multi 🎣👍

[@robj5540]

Think only scratching the surface of the subject. I switched back after a similar time and have now learnt about ring wrap (optimum line diameters from leader to main line, have a mono leader to braid leader then braid main line to reduce the difference and reduce ring wrap) playing with shims in FS and having to respool the same line due to tight lines laying unevenly (braid, which I’ve tried on multi’s and don’t like) threads going on drag knobs because I loosen the drag once the rod is in the rest…. Plus a few more reasons. As you’ve said all subjective and depends on your personal fishing. But just to highlight , the grass isn’t always greener. I now fish both FS and mult, depends on the type of fishing I’m doing 😂

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

In fairness it is a huge subject and one that really seems to divide opinion. A lot of anglers remain set in their ways and there still appears to be some stigma around using a FS. You’ve made some great points there, probably enough to make a part 2, but I’m not sure I’d be able to keep up with the comments! Thanks for your input and tight lines. Jansen

[@robj5540]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 If you could add a table for diameter lines, leader to mainline, for the optimum diameters not to ring wrap. Best way under tension, including appropriate lb’age, for spooling braid. (Obviously wet braid). A guild for FS maintenance. Not many out there, Alan hawks is good but doesn’t have all. How to keep the small roller free from ceasing and highlight keeping an eye on it, that’s caught me out before on two reels at the same time. Then all that will guarantee me watching part 2. 😂. Best get chat GPT for all the comment replying. (No need to reply to this one 😂)

[@chillystigger3285]

The gearing on a multi is more efficient. More of your effort goes into retrieving line. Modern multis can be quite forgiving (Penn the exception from experience) as long as you apply power progressively. Also find them better balanced and compact. Used ABU, Akios and Penn. My only fixed spools are for lure work and light estuary use using braids.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

The gearing is more efficient, but the retrieve isn’t as fast as a decent fixed spool, especially when the line level drops. Multipliers are more compact but I like the idea of taking spare spools with me that don’t take up too much space and weigh next to nothing. Jansen

[@johnjemmerson520]

I’ve just bought 2x penn fathoms but I can’t seem to get it set up. Keeps nesting up any advice would be appreciated. I tend to use my fixed spools for winter / rock fishing but like multi’s for summer fishing.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

Don’t overfill the reels, have the magnets on fully and you shouldn’t have any issues with overrunning. Obviously you need to stop the spool with your thumb at the end of the cast too.

[@johnjemmerson520]

Thanks will try next time I’m out. I’ve tried adjust using both sides simultaneously and on there own but doesn’t seem to affect the speed

[@dongle_dangler]

@@johnjemmerson520 fathom cs spool is heavy so takes more to get going and instead of slowing down towards the end of the cast, keeps going. Try some high viscosity oil in the bearings, like 80w gear oil. That way you’ll be able to add or decrease mags based on the conditions, instead of always having them on max

[@johnjemmerson520]

@@dongle_dangler thanks will give it a go

[@lawrencebail3284]

I’d like you to review the saltiga 20 fixed spool pls Jansen , I know ur big fan of the saltiga 30ha and although there a lot money the saltiga fixed spool be interested to see ur results and what u think about using 60lb braid straight through in a fixed spool , cheers Lawrence

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

It’s possible, but I’m not a fan of braid unless I’m fishing really deep water. I think a lot of anglers like it because it’s strong for its diameter and it doesn’t stretch, but I don’t personally see anything wrong with old school mono. Those Saltiga FS reels look phenomenal! Jansen

[@colinmaceachern9]

I know it's your personal choice. I think you need to cover long cast spools and the pros and cons on using them.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

They’re a whole different kettle of fish. I know some of the guys I fish with in Norway tried both long cast spool reels and the more conventional squat spool design reels and found little difference in casting performance, but perhaps it does need further investigation. Thanks for getting involved in the discussion and tight lines! Jansen

[@colinmaceachern9]

@VealsMailOrder2898 . Jansen, the reason I mentioned it is because I bent a spindle on a long cast reel. They can be a little finicky and don't like a load of weed . I have both long and short spindles now. I also carry a multiplier with me. I'm of the generation when rods were 11' 5" and the multiplier was king. I'm at the age where the fixed spool is just that little more friendly to cast.

[@Dave30867]

I bought a casting special years ago and put line on it and to this day it is still sitting in the cupboard it has never seen the water i do not really even know why i bought it .

[@archstanton6310]

Spare spool for the casting special is about £40 quid also , i bought one for mine.

[@jamiesmart9016]

Where to if you don't mind me asking. Was trying to find 1 for mine but couldn't get 1

[@archstanton6310]

​@@jamiesmart9016 blackdog tackle

[@allanryder679]

Just brought a penn fathom CS $400 and can't find the surfcasting rod that fits a overhead reel in NZ so I wish that I had never brought it now after watching this.

[@Mordsfishingadventures]

Great subject! I hated the idea of fix spools. if i was still using multis for big fish i would have lost alot of fish! The drag on a fixed spool is much more controllable

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

The drag was one aspect I failed to mention, but you’re not wrong. The quick drag on the Shimano models is superb, works a treat as an alternative to a baitrunner too. I wonder if more anglers will slowly catch on to the benefits of a modern FS? Jansen.

[@Pricks-d7d]

Fished fixed spools for years. Moved over to multis around 10 years ago. FS are more user friendly.. Multis are more far more robust than FS in my experience, set the mags, wash under the tap and air dry is all that is needed. They are also better for rough ground fishing. It is each to their own, I own both, but if I had to choose. I would choose multis everytime.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

I fish some pretty rough spots on the Bristol Channel and have found the modern fixed spool to be a lot faster at getting gear back, but this is definitely a personal preference thing. Jansen

[@beany1987]

I bought a penn clash 8000 last year to use on a 3rd rod for big baits in very close but also for my son to use when he comes. I literally couldn't cast with it, luckily i was using it lobbing a big bait in very close. Otherwise, it would be useless for me. Just can't use one anymore 😂.

[@toastandcakeyoutube4395]

Continental rods with fixed spool can't be beaten but penn torque or saltist hyperspeed or saltist 30ha level wind can't be beaten on rough ground with 2 piece rods

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

I’ve used all three of the reels you mention there and I’d still sooner use a fixed spool. It’s faster than even the Hyper Speed. As ever though, each to their own! Tight lines. Jansen

[@toastandcakeyoutube4395]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 which fixed spool has 7-1 ratio

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

@@toastandcakeyoutube4395 None, that I’m aware of. But a fixed spool will maintain its speed of retrieve even with significant line out, a multiplier will lose it drastically.

[@harwoodblades3633]

Hellfire.. multi all the way for me but between them two reels I'd pick the Shimano.. could sell it on the bay, buy a second hand gold bg30 and a couple of speed master tsm,s🚀 😁them fathoms are made out of kit kat wrappers 🙄👍

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

The BG 30’s are great reels, but will they do anything that a modern FS won’t? Each to their own though! Jansen

[@harwoodblades3633]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 ratchet 🚀👍🦈

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

@@harwoodblades3633 Good call, they do have an awesome ratchet

[@harwoodblades3633]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 hopefully this year 🤞🦈

[@kphh7029]

Sold my pair penn fathoms replaced with pair Shimano Ultegra CI4+ XSC Reel with 60lb braid straight through reel down best thing I ever done those multi are just for show egg beaters are for pro’s

[@Ericcartman666]

Fishing a fs, reel down do you not suffer from line blank slap ?

[@kphh7029]

Nope reel is about foot away from butt used with zziplex m4gt distance from front of spool to my first guide is 210cm had the rods custom built like the shore anglers have in South Africa….never have wind knots crack offs birds nests….best ever set up I have ever used. castings distance shits all multi it’s only us stupid uk anglers that are to long in the tooth to make a change. Rest of the world have !!!!

[@Ericcartman666]

@@kphh7029 so do you see all the new world record distance casts being done with fs ?

[@kphh7029]

@@Ericcartman666Again it’s about change people don’t like change. These new FS big pit reels what are about these days the line layout is amazing what helps with distance casting specially with braid. For me I took the step away from multi and is the best thing I ever done.

[@Ericcartman666]

@kphh7029 I've been using big pit reels and multipliers for 40 years, multipliers are harder to master that's why fs are more popular, not because they are better. In the right hands (which is important) They will never out cast a multiplier. As I said earlier to jansen, fishing is a great subject to discuss with fellow anglers, thanks for sharing your opinions. Take it easy mate.

[@toastandcakeyoutube4395]

But then again finn nor lethal is a excellent choice for value if want reel for all grounds or push boat out and get shimano stella or daiwa saltiga dogfight then fixed spool wins in rough ground

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

They’re all great reels, just very strong money for UK fishing.

[@toastandcakeyoutube4395]

@VealsMailOrder2898 i completely agree but buy once use anywhere in world never need another reel

[@fork9999]

Favouring egg beaters over multipliers? You’ll receive some backlash over that…….!! I’ll see myself out!

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

But maybe not as much as some new multipliers users might experience?😃

[@Ericcartman666]

A couple of negatives that you didn't mention about big pit reels, they can suffer from butt ringers which more often than not results in a crack off, this is especially so when fishing through or over weed, pumping a ball of weed in causes this, the spindles are very susceptible damage when the spool is out both when fishing and in transit. they also suffer from line twist ( all of them do ) again this can result in crack offs . I've used big pits for donkeys years fishing for carp and continue to do so, but I much prefer the multiplier for shore fishing. Like the fix spool they have their issues but nothing that can't be got around.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

@@Ericcartman666 As I say, fish with whatever you’re comfortable using, but for me it is now the fixed spool. I personally feel it is a more efficient reel for the job and wonder if it’s only ego that prevents many experienced anglers from trying a modern fixed spool? It’s interesting that the UK is the only country in the world where multipliers are the reel choice for the majority of experienced shore anglers. Tight lines. Jansen

[@Ericcartman666]

@VealsMailOrder2898 always good to hear both experienced and novices opinions. Angling is such a good subject to debate. Take it easy mate, catch a whacker.

[@cashybai]

Erm.. I think you're wrong on a couple of things Jansen. If you look at the spool on your fixed spool it may be wider in on direction, but hold it in the same plane as the multiplier, it's not as wide. It'll still drop just as much on a given cast as the multi. Second line twist,non existant on a multi, huge issue on a fixed spool. Spindles on a f/s are prone to getting bent when spool is fully forward. Lastly at £400 for a fixed spool, you can get two fathoms for that price, and there's no way the fs is twice as good as a fathom. I use fixed spool for all my coarse work, but it's multis for sea

[@Stuart-e6y]

Can't stand coffee grinders multiplier every time

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

Each to their own! What don’t you like about the fixed spool reels?

[@Stuart-e6y]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 weight , unbalanced , asthetics and say what you like you never see a fs winch on anything

[@peterschafer5642]

"The more line on the spool, the faster the spool will spin". No, it's just the other way.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

A fully loaded spool will be heavier and create a flywheel effect which is harder to control. Dropping the line level will make the reel easier to control.

[@markbatt-rawden7950]

Shocked to hear it took you 30 years to discover fixed spool reels have come a long way and are much better than multiples

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

Not as shocked as I was…. Jansen

[@jonhook834]

Incredibly bias video, you focused on all the negatives of a multiplier and none of the positives. And all the positives of a fixed spool and none of the negatives.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

I did say that it was only my personal opinion and that people should fish with what they like to use. I grabbed this from a contribution by Alan Kershaw to the Facebook post sharing this video and I think it sums it up really well- Multiplier MAYBE a slight advantage in distance. Slower retrieve Jerky drag under pressure Less line Limited for what fish it can be used for More maintenance Fixed spool MAYBE a slight difference in distance Faster retrieve Smooth drag More line No limit on fish they can be used for Less maintenance Jansen

[@jonhook834]

@@VealsMailOrder2898 I’d disagree with several of those points, drag, fish species and especially maintenance.

[@VealsMailOrder2898]

@@jonhook834 I think a multiplier does require greater maintenance to keep it running at peak performance, a fixed spool requires very little. But it’s okay to disagree. Jansen