TEAM LIQUID VS FNATIC - EU VS NA - MSI 2024 LOSER GOES HOME - CAEDREL

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[@Caedrel]

SPOILER BLOCKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[@babystickman0]

Yo editor if you pin the comment it doesnt block spoilers on mobile

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won 1 game against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@Kyle-km7eg]

This spoiler block is almost as useless as eu

[@reelbigpokemon]

i appreciate the spoiler plant at the end of the video

[@danejr7896]

Ez

[@sayoriiix]

LEC #1: Fistfights against world champs LEC #2: Loses to NA

[@elijahmaiquez1806]

Take away G2 and LECs just the worse region.

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won 1 game against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@adamszabo2874]

@@elijahmaiquez1806 take away TL, and NA didnt even make main stage

[@porfirij]

"NA" is funny. like TL is literally 4 koreans. xD

[@samuilivanov6699]

@@lemonhaze1506 idk if that GenG series was close. Never felt like they were one fight away from wining. More like GenG didn't take the aggressive plays that would end the games in 25 min.

[@kitsune_thunder]

Oscar made K’Sante look balanced

[@oskarkazmierczak5533]

Not as much as TheShy but yeah.

[@achille5509]

They actually lane swapped like everyone should do, is just us from europe that let him farm and then he is a pain in the ass

[@aoh4905]

So did 369 KEKW

[@lotus2284]

kinda hard to be useful with laneswap+afk adc

[@skyler1469]

well he sure did when he destroyed him with poppy :D

[@gabrielgoso_7823]

Studio MAPPA wish they had this editor

[@jaredzavala1732]

lmao 🤣

[@kylarcheng1346]

M-APA

[@endubless]

MAPPA would overwork them lol

[@jemjemmm]

lmao💀

[@cyro4685]

​@@endublessEditor already is overworked so that's fine

[@freekeur4770]

the funniest part was seeing Caedrel knowing he's under contract so he can't say what he really thinks LMAO

[@drexeltimogtimog5700]

true hahaha

[@challengeyourmind3937]

Ahhah so true

[@farz1370]

Contract with who

[@ksks9850]

⁠@@farz1370fnatic

[@jeffsan0.5]

@@farz1370 He's under Fnatic as a streamer.

[@bernies9601]

FNATIC got GAPA'd by TL. the ultimate humiliation😂

[@youtubesucks1885]

Ye everything is possibil at this moment

[@thestoebz]

Wasn’t even close either. TL looked overall way better

[@jackspinner4727]

Humanoidation

[@Zed-ch9fg]

not as bad as g2 getting gapped by nrg.

[@dt12121212]

@@thestoebz TL looked bad, but it was a series of who can int hardest and FNC was trolling...

[@un_common1483]

they don’t deserve jun

[@Kfffu]

Noah did not play in this tournament. He chocked from moment 1.

[@luma7777]

Get Noah out Same with Hans Sama in G2 Carzzy the only good adc left in adc Maybe this Caliste guy will be good too

[@MartinWasTaken]

@@luma7777 Can't believe I am living in the timeline where Carzzy is in top 3 top adc list. This guy is so bad.

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

​​@@MartinWasTaken at least he does damage in teamfights. But fuck, why is Carzzy the best EU adc rn? wtf are we doing?

[@Lucy-er3se]

@@luma7777 youre cooked if you think Hans is worse than carzzy lmao he just has trouble with kalista in this meta

[@achroniccarebear7464]

EU on low HP: "Calculated" NA on low HP: "So lucky" I see you

[@vang-toulee8351]

Literally how everyone views NA lmfao

[@JimberinoILV]

It's the same cope as people talking shit about APA. He's a weak mid laner but consistently over performs and draws out multiple target bans every series.

[@ruidechen]

​@@JimberinoILVthe Ziggs one trick drawing out 3-4 bans and still performing 😂

[@mongolitosking9739]

​@@JimberinoILV To be fair Fnatic is just bad. Against G2 it might be another story I think (except that Hans looks terrible) and against LPL-LCK, well we saw how quick they got molested

[@ionetricknunu]

Welp i guess the entire west is getting touched by the east wtf

[@nathanwarden2156]

Yeon (TL ADC) was born in Los Angeles. Dude is AMERICAN. 🇺🇸

[@Jdubayou]

These idiots would be saying "NA ADC" KEKW if he played terribly, but now that he destroyed their region's team they want to say he's Korean. lol

[@asyb22]

It's low key racist to keep calling him Korean when dude is as American as it gets

[@ruidechen]

​@@Jdubayoufunny how quick they move the goalpost 😂 NA getting a lifetime supply of salt from just one series

[@mjacflyff]

EU people really need to visit America sometimes, especially LA. NA isn't just whites and blacks.

[@raindropsr9892]

Nationality and origin are two different things.

[@ellisonmasangcay4468]

Bro T1 paused because guma keyboard didn't connect but fnatic didn't even pause when their adc didn't even show up.

[@mythnk1204]

It wasn’t just their ADC that didn’t show up.

[@Ethral1]

My team...ive been supporting them since 2016. how far we have fallen. titans of the west turned to a joke being beating by a ziggs one trick playing tristana

[@ndnd7614]

At least you wake up to see Chovy cook TES

[@crazyjbub]

got some balls calling him a one trick after gapping your mid laner on other champs while they try to target ban him !!!

[@benjo3936]

Me watching them since 2015… can‘t believe they never recovered really after huni/reignover left

[@rwwars6948]

Bro honestly man, EU and NA are simular level. The only reason why EU is better is because of caps. That's it. Humanoid isn't better than Jenson or JoJo. That's EU copuim But Caps will absolutely run our shit. But apparently his weakness is palafox😂

[@cuteandsingle]

FNC can only play vs G2 they haven’t been good since Huni

[@andreasmastorakis9184]

People keep telling me how good Humanoid is, and yet every series he makes literal game-losing plays all by himself, it's disgusting

[@omegaminoseer4539]

That's why he's also known by the other title: "Subhumanoid," when he ints games.

[@BrovarSpirytus]

He has really high highs and really low lows. He's kinda like Hyli of midlane.

[@rickysebastian6386]

Never liked humanoid since a long time ago. I'm actually surprised he's considered one of the best in EU rn 😂 He made mistakes like three times more than when he make actual plays

[@robertmusil1107]

Overrating Humanoid happens every single tournament since years. People should just accept that he won't have any imapct.

[@Ruintheus]

@@robertmusil1107Tell that to Caedrel XD

[@skyler1469]

g2 vs t1 and now this.. it feels like completely different game :D

[@ronlanders7354]

Lane swaps made lck and lcs teams weaker.

[@thestoebz]

@@ronlanders7354Lck is fine with lane swap

[@domreto5055]

@@ronlanders7354 lane swaps are ging the west a chance tbh bc they dont win lane lol

[@harukoiiwajima]

g2 got lucky lmao they play 1 good series every 5 years and people like you suck and glaze them so hard.

[@jacob2808]

​@ronlanders7354 g2 didnt laneswap into T1 tho

[@mochizu9892]

EU keeps complaining about Ksante but still letting it through lol.

[@ronlanders7354]

Hea been nerfed heavily, theres better tops out there. However best ksante are still good at creating space and if your team is not willing to build armor shred like hans in g2, gl.

[@MariusNinjai]

Happens everytime something OP and they keep letting stuff like that through i swear last time it was atrox and they keept letting it through EU viewers are complaing about Ksante not like we can change what the team does seems they did not learn from G2 series

[@Mathias-t]

EU complaining about K’Sante the whole series just to finally pick it and lose with it :D

[@destinytimer4304]

Is because is wasted ban

[@throwaway-ok8ob]

I mean they keep complain it's broken but their top laners can't play it lol

[@VKH_AF]

Faster than Fnatic's flight back to Europe.

[@fiso3028]

Yea.. talk about fly already chillin in NA?

[@lye4931]

@@fiso3028fly has 4 EMEA pigs on it. At least TL has 1 pure American and 4 Koreans lolz

[@JimberinoILV]

@@fiso3028 bro you cant talk shit when Flyquest is an EU team with 2 NA imports LOOOOL

[@VKH_AF]

@@fiso3028 I'm VCS bro. We are a GAMBA MATCHFIXING region and lost to Fnatic 0-2 CatDespair

[@CameronPrice2]

@@VKH_AF VCS played really well considering the situation. I think once y’all figure out the scandal, VCS will be a contender again like a few years ago. Just sucks a few of VCS’s best players were involved :(

[@PeoplePleaser578]

Bro Fnatic just suck man. Like genuinely I am getting tired of humanoid just randomly playing like shit because he doesn’t respect who he is playing against. Oscar omega fucking trolled this series especially the first game. Jun was literally the only one actually doing anything. This team is so cooked.

[@jackthomas3483]

Humanoid is a bum and can’t play without being perma camped for

[@PeoplePleaser578]

@@jackthomas3483 I wouldn’t say a bum, he can be insane… his issue is he is massively inconsistent and just randomly runs it down when he isn’t interested anymore

[@XIplupIX]

​@@PeoplePleaser578why would he be interested. If he wins it is just , yeah or course they win it is na they still suck and lost to lpl hard. And if they lose they get flamed aswell. Not sure why people keep expecting pros to care with such a toxic fansbase.

[@PeoplePleaser578]

@@XIplupIX Yes bro professional players shouldn’t care about winning… if you aren’t playing to win and don’t care, don’t play. Simple.

[@mrfabian2555]

Bds should be here but yah fnc makes lec look like clowns. They only won 1 match in 2 best of 5s.

[@inconvenientfacts58]

When the Rat gets too biased, his team loses. WBG, DK, G2 and now FNC.

[@kenim]

This Rat’s curse stronger than the bubonic plague.

[@g0d1am]

Did EU lose again? Maybe it is you talking crap for no reason causing it…

[@malachiswedberg8367]

Lmao chill, he's not even shit talking just pointing out the trend​@@g0d1am

[@doloran-]

EU fans dessrved that loss. They were talking crazy like the LEC gameplay quality wasnt a disgusting mess this past year.

[@MrDando333]

We are a "single good team" region. When G2 doesn't do well, like the past two years, honestly, we don't have any hope. Even when G2 does bad in LEC, we have to pray they qualify.

[@doloran-]

@@MrDando333 I've been watching as much as I can of all major regions since like 2011. I was always jealous of EU gameplay quality as an NA fan watching snoozefest games all year long. This year was the first time I can ever remember enjoying random last place NA games way more than anything rogue played. Your worst teams are somehow worse than NA's worst now. Even if G2 can reach higher highs than any NA team.

[@OneWingedRose]

@@MrDando333 Maybe these days, but FNC has historically been one of EU's genuinely internationally competitive teams too, if not THE competitive team, that being said I haven't really paid attention to them since the YellowStar Huni days, those were good days.

[@JimberinoILV]

@@OneWingedRose YellowStar/Huni made semis which is cool but you missed that whole year where claps/rekkless went to finals??

[@OneWingedRose]

@@JimberinoILV Do love me some Rekkles!

[@kallistei4869]

people keeps shitting on APA but he's actually so valuable for the team, enemy team always have to ban his champs.

[@comiccalvin5124]

Legit even eastern teams do it. He is a mega ban magnet, which frees up his team.

[@dinglshingle]

he'll be the next caps. mark my words

[@hushed6160]

@@dinglshingle caps is dogshit in a dogshit region, why would you put him as the midlaner to aspire to?

[@jason.s.music.]

i used to hate APA, and honestly still hate the way that he acts. But you can’t deny that’s gotten WAYYYYY better since he started playing pro

[@Darthtater98]

@@dinglshingle not going to go that far yet...he is getting more attention and better each split though

[@rippenb161]

Its funny cause i usually dont care if eu/na wins or loses. But after caedral was happy NA lost to psg, i cant help but smile seeing this series :) hope they have a nice relaxing flight home!

[@Jdubayou]

Don't get me wrong Flyquest wasn't great but they had to play T1 and beat PSG in two different series to make playoffs, while Fnatic just had to beat a weakened GAM team twice to make playoffs. It's funny how hard people clowned on Flyquest before realizing that PSG is actually a good team. I wouldn't be surprised if PSG knocks G2 out of the tournament.

[@dinglshingle]

@@Jdubayou flyquest ran it down themselves in that B03. did you watch them play? it was like playin with a perma debuff

[@Samjie]

​@@Jdubayouexcusing Flyquest losing to a minor region is crazy. No major region should ever lose to a minor region. Bwipo is probably on a bigger contract than the whole PSG team combined.

[@jason.s.music.]

@@Samjie PSG was inches away from beating the best seed in the world in a BO5 wtf are you talking about. Every single major region that has played against PSG has lost to them

[@Gremlinsbeabout]

Oscar casually balancing out Ksante win rate

[@himurakenshinbattousai1670]

Oscar: i am not afraid of Zeus or Bin... Impact: hold my beer 😂

[@abhisheklokare7798]

and the audacity to call him washed lmao..🤣🤣

[@lazysean5418]

the best part of the stream was when the Rat King blasted the chat saying "NA just gonna be there for more 2 days what do you mean na beat eu" "if fnatic flight got delayed TL gonna be there in the airport with fnatic" lol this guy was a gem

[@Debater_the_Curator]

Dude you beat our second seed, if you think TL would win Vs G2 you are delusional

[@lazysean5418]

@@Debater_the_Curator are you ok bro? I dont see anything im saying was contrary with your comment

[@mr.l708]

​@@lazysean5418 I don't know what's wrong with the person who replied to you 💀

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

HAHAHAHAHA WAY TO MOVE GOALPOSTS. FIRST IT WAS "TL WILL NEVER BEAT FNC" NOW ITS "TL WILL NEVER BEAT G2" HAHAHAHAHHA THE SAME ROSTER THAT LOST 0-2 TO NRG? LMAOOO ​@@Debater_the_Curator

[@omegaminoseer4539]

​@@ObiWanShinobi917 don't forget the tried and true excuse of, "NA can only beat us when we're sick."

[@miamigo4130]

FNC would have been the one sent home in playins instead of FLY, if they drew PSG instead of 2 Subs GAM. Change my mind.

[@bernardkuiper1496]

Ok I'll try: there's no way of knowing that. Did it work?

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won 1 game against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@MartinWasTaken]

@@bernardkuiper1496 There is a way of knowing that, PSG took BLG to 5 games, Fnatic got 3-1d by TL.

[@Hammer7000]

​@@lemonhaze1506 List of NA achievements: - Get destroyed in the fastest Bo3 ever - Get eliminated by a minor region

[@Snootz86]

Why? Fly were absolutely garbage and already got smashed by TL.. before putting up an absolutely putrid display at MSI

[@arcticfoxes8034]

FNC have lost the same way in ALMOST every game this MSI without adapting. K'sante gets given over to the enemy team, Noah gets gapped bot, and by mid-late game FNC lack damage and get rolled over.

[@michaelwilliams8242]

Kind of a dumb comment in a series where they just won vs Ksante in one game and lost with him in another

[@blamethesillynotthegoose8120]

@@michaelwilliams8242 yeah, hes right tho that fnc doesnt seem to be able to adapt. all year same mistakes.

[@Tom-jy3in]

@@michaelwilliams8242 Ksante in this tourney is giga op. Dont even think about leaving him open if you cant guarantee you get azir or a giga winning mid matchup

[@michaelwilliams8242]

@@Tom-jy3in yeah but that point is moot when this series wasn't decided over Ksante

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

Dont forget their Top Laner gets absolute dumpstered on every game. Hes had 1 decent game (this Poppy game, and the good Camile game was against a minor region). He is so far behind other top laners.. its not even close.

[@AkshayPrasadrocks]

I feel pretty vindicated for saying that all those tierlists putting yeon/apa so low were dogshit

[@deinvadda5699]

Nah, trust they were justified. Noah is just worse and Humanoid is Humanoid - sometimes S-Tier player sometimes D-Tier Player.

[@rickysebastian6386]

​@@deinvadda5699Humanoid is B tier at best. A tier is already too good for him.

[@kaifairtex9157]

@@deinvadda5699 Humanoid has never been S tier player IMO, he had some good spotlights but overall below average..

[@404Kiwi]

​@@kaifairtex9157he's riding off his performance from worlds from like 2 years ago.

[@pretentiousfly]

TL is the 4th best team in the worst major region. They are performing well only against bad teams. And I say that having been an LCS fan since 2014. The LCS has never been worse in terms of skill than it is now. That being said shout out to MarkZ for actually making the broadcasts and production watchable for once instead of the old commissioner who did nothing ever and got paid to go on vacations.

[@ilordepic]

APA talking shit and destorying the team with his asol was fire

[@tomlancaster5145]

Wasn’t he shit talking TES and got rolled 3-0? Absolute fire.

[@m3gusta17]

@@tomlancaster5145 found the EU fan

[@roastiplays39]

Why is no1 talking about how Noah got gapped by Yeon 4 games in a roll?

[@Rainbow9711]

Because: NA HaS FouR KoREans!! NoT EveN ReAL NA TeAM!!

[@shurikenflip9818]

Everyone's talking ab that lol, well on twitter at least

[@Jdubayou]

@@Rainbow9711 Yeon is only Korean because he played well. They wouldn't be denying that he is American if he played poorly. It's such cringe logic.

[@arthurbuglas8346]

Good on TL and NA to get a win this MSI tourney. It shows we're still at least able to compete against regions at our level. I will say, although FNC is getting flamed a lot. I don't got anything to say to defend Noah or Humanoid, I think Jun is actually quite good still. Oscar had rough games but he was the main reason why FNC won game 2. If it wasn't for him mega gapping Impact that game, then it would've been a 3-0 by TL and this series would've been way worse. Lets not hate on each other now, G2 and TL are the only teams left from the West. We need to pray for their success to show we can compete and it's not just the East.

[@piperfree4271]

We're a 1 team region and have been for a long time. Sad we don't see G2 vs TL. I think G2 is the best western team by a long shot.

[@sixtenbackemo5541]

Glad to see someone not hopping on the hate wagon on Oscar when he clearly wasn't the main issue. Jun was indeed the only one playing clean the whole series. Against TES we gave Noah a pass bcs it was against Jackylove but he is playing the same here. Was not feeling it I guess

[@AtharasGaming]

I think oscar played average/above average thus series. Shame on Huma and Noah... Especially Noah he was invisible whole tourney...

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@AtharasGaming]

@@lemonhaze1506 2 times finals at worlds 1msi champions Na achivements:

[@coochmcgooch6921]

TL actually played pretty bad here. I don't know how they let a team like FNC take one game. They seriously need to step it up when they play vs minor regions like LEC

[@regie7746]

😂😂😂😂

[@samwilliams0901]

2-0 major trophies. Learn your place until you actually achieve something internationally.

[@vicnovicio]

​@@samwilliams0901cope EU fanboy. Just accept that you guys are a minor region together with NA, but NA slightly ahead this time compared to all previous years

[@samwilliams0901]

@@vicnovicio Congrats to Jeong Eon-young, Eom Seong-hyeon, Sean Sung, Jo Yong-in, and Eain Stearns. America’s finest 💀

[@karlrose405]

@@vicnovicio NA being slightly ahead will very much depend on how far G2 reaches into the toornament considering FlyQuest was the first team of the west to go packing home lmao

[@isaact.snyder5389]

EU fans talk so much shit, loved Appa throwing it back in their face

[@kevgothealz9344]

Love to see Caedrel crying at the end of this one

[@CookieJar2025]

18:45 "what are we playing, Bloons Tower Defense?" LMAOOOOOOOOO

[@johnkunkel5946]

I searched to find this comment. I was rolling hahaha

[@styrfry]

12:47 "This game is stupid" I love seeing smug EU casters putting their own foot into their mouth. When the only thing you can say is the above quote, you've pretty much boxed yourself into a corner. Don't get too depressed Caedrel, even T1 thought they could outplay Ksante during LCK finals and let Kiin have it for game 4 AND game 5. It is hilarious to see overconfident EU players that think they are God's gift to League get wiped by the very same people they looked down on. (e.g. G2 vs NRG at worlds last year for an even more one-sided disrespect) The APA all chat trash talk made it just _chef's kiss_

[@rafayetrasti6191]

Had an extremely strong feeling that Fnatic wasn't just going to "roll over TL" (according to literally everyone) just because TL had a poor first series. Usually teams aren't going to look at their strongest in their first games so I didn't think TL were completely hopeless since they got stomped by a team that climbed up from playins. I knew for a fact this would be extremely competitive since TL is a good team that's easily on Fnatic's level but I admittedly did not expect Fnatic to be the one to ACTUALLY "get rolled".

[@TakarieZan]

All jokes aside. The east is overall better than the west, but only the top teams are on another level. PSG took the fight to BLG for crying out loud. FNC and TL are around the same level. Its just top teams like G2, T1, etc. that are really on another level compared to the rest. The rest are relatively close in power. There might be an influence of meta cause last year NRG knocked out G2. So its kind of wild.

[@ronlanders7354]

Lane swaps made it harder for lck and lcs teams. Tl,fq, c9 are better than fnc lol.

[@thestoebz]

@@TakarieZantop 4 Lck and Lpl are better than any western team

[@tykelly8236]

@@thestoebz I mean this is just wrong. I think G2 would be a contender for top 4 in LCK or LPL.

[@daughtermedicine123]

@@tykelly8236 g2 without caps is nothing lul... if they shut down caps, it became so easy

[@fuwu9904]

I really liked the part were Marek Brazda said "It's Marek Brazda time" and Marek Brazdad all over the place

[@dinglshingle]

should call himself "Marek Brazzer"

[@thezedmain1603]

surprised fnc didnt pre-order their plane tickets, they were doomed the second they had to face Yappa. They had a chance vs GENG and TOP but they got an unlucky draw with tournament favorite TL.

[@raiden-sunny4852]

If Ksante is broken, why FNC lose game 4 🌚🤔 Mb skill issues?🤔

[@onigiri9964]

Broken is what noobs say when a person plays a champion well;)

[@mattheawfrederick5696]

@@onigiri9964 stfu that champion actually needs to be removed, it's not just "noobs" that are saying it. pro's all agree that champ is disgusting. does way to much , is way to safe, and hard to punish.

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

@@onigiri9964 So ShowMaker is a noob? And all the analysts that agree that K'Sante is broken bs? Ah, yes, you must know more than everyone. You should be a coach bro, you know everything.

[@onigiri9964]

@@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV I am actually a coach so there you go...I can even coach you in the ways of the league young FSW

[@phinksmagcub1325]

​@@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Showmaker only said it for meme I guess. I watched a video of him saying all of that because of frustration on specific game.

[@suitwo]

Against any kind of pressure FNC just seem to crumble apart. Humanoid getting camped by the enemy team is an easy way seemingly to win since he plays the exact same way every game, I'm not confident seeing Noah on any ADC let alone short ranged ones like he played 3/4 games, those then put Jun and Razork into situations where they have to be taking risky pathing where they get picked off, and Oscar is basically coinflip first 10 minutes and if he's behind after those 10 minutes he's useless the rest of the game.

[@johnkirk1772]

Ofc camping humanoid is the way.. they have no adc and are essentially 4v5 so humanoid is the sole carry every game - camp him and they have no carries left

[@Ruintheus]

Their ADC was the best performer today and is the best on the team. Bronze analysis gg

[@derp210]

@@Ruintheus show one play where Noah was relevant or "the best performer." Just one timestamp

[@dinglshingle]

@@Ruintheus you are sayin their best performer is the one that gets lanegapped HARD every single game at this MSI?

[@damsss7706]

What's wrong with European ADC man...

[@MiraPloy]

Should honestly consider importing doublelift no joke that guy's still got it.

[@imdraaaven2761]

I read the comments and see EU fans keep making excuses like "NA team but 4 koreans". To me, lose is lose, win is win, no excuse. Who ever wins deserves their win, no matter where are they from. Making excuses about TL having 4 koreans is like calling LPL doesn't deserve their 3 Worlds titles. Remember, GAM 2023 with 5 vietnamese won against TL 2023 which also had 4 koreans. Therefore, there is no nationality diff, only skill diff, tactic diff, macro diff, playmaking diff, shotcalling diff, teamwork diff and the most important (to me), mentality diff.

[@truth.-]

Literally no one talk about TL or all their imports. NA has always been all about imports. People here are just disgusted at the fnatic downfall these last few years and the fact that the people responsible for it are never put in question. Rest is irrelevant, not going to talk much about a team that is getting 3/0ed next match anyway.

[@indigorune]

TL has 3 Koreans. APA and Yeon are American.

[@comiccalvin5124]

Thank you! Why people pushing this 4 import narrative…legit not allowed with import rules and YEON IS AMERICAN. Bro EU can be so racist it is wild…the kid was born in California 🤣😂

[@OneWingedRose]

@@indigorune I'd say Impact is NA, dude's been part of the NA LCS for almost its entire 10+ year run and has NA residency. Same as Jensen, I don't consider Jensen EU/import at this point, he's been a staple of NA LCS for almost as long as NA LCS has existed (Bjergsen is similar in that regard too come to think of it).

[@luiss.5266]

TL has 3 Koreans. Fanatic has 2

[@scifimisc9191]

APA might have grown to be my favourite western player. Even without the funny trash talk, that importantly doesnt shy away from self deprecation, players who force bans are so fun. Especially when the enemy thinks its not to stop them from a turbo pick, but more because the enemy team thinks theyre so shit on everything else itll drag the whole team down. But then it actually is a turbo pick, AND theyre actually decent enough off of their comfort to not drag the team down.

[@user-px6kw8wn8k]

1 시드팀에게 2 시드팀이 지는 건 부끄러운게 아니다. 최선을 다했다 고개를 들어라 프나틱 !

[@noirekami3941]

nah there is plenty of shame because they act like theyre on another level of good

[@TrueGbPimp06]

Smashed those EU NERDS

[@rickysebastian6386]

Grab popcorn, get some soda, who wants to join me read the banter in the comment section between NA and EU fan to claim who's worse between them 😂😂

[@turnermarius4471]

Answer is nobody, you are all 🐵.😄

[@Samjie]

😂😂😂

[@Koryogden]

Isn't this 2 years in a row for NA beating EU? WHATS UP

[@jankez9844]

@@Koryogden 7-0 g2 vs eg?????? wassup

[@chs5321]

@@jankez9844 this was 3 years ago wtf lmao stop living in the past brother NA is better than EU RIGHT NOW. Other than G2, they are insane. But top to bottom, NA is better than EU and its not even close

[@SynapsVI]

My god. Painful to watch. Only Jun pro level. Incredible perf from Umti tho

[@johngapud9934]

Ex LCK players shines even in the west

[@omymomo]

Those EU tears taste so fucking good

[@vnxi_1]

Be proud of ur korean team 😄

[@CrushedByBasilLeaf]

Now we just need PSG to knock out G2 and send EU home

[@klinkclang]

Dream scenario

[@alfdlgnaat]

@@Jdubayou i think blg also looked bad bc of nerves tbf but g=hans is gonna get dicked down

[@raindropsr9892]

Must be new to NA not to get absolutely humiliated at every internationals, enjoy it for 2 days.

[@gragigi7055]

Did they play super early today? How did I miss this live 😶‍🌫️☠️😶‍🌫️

[@reddo6092]

He said today will start at 6am

[@hippityhoppityw]

Yeah it was Saturday there so they had a series start at noon

[@patlee4858]

na might be near airport, but that is to help eu with the emotional baggage as they leave

[@Scott7789x]

Love how he cut the video before malding. Rat king antics

[@LigonierLaced]

Absolutely intolerable commentary during game 2 OMEGALUL. I cant wait to watch the rest of this stomp

[@arcanelizard4646]

Shoutouts to the editor for seeing the suggestion a day or two ago to show damage charts after games and finding a way to weave it seamlessly into the video so soon after the suggestion was made. Props to Caedrel and editor for working so hard to give us this great content all event long

[@Bombers2000]

G2 vs TL will be a movie boys

[@alexsh6433]

Don't think we're gonna get that

[@matthewsmith4483]

TL is probably gonna be knocked out in the next round by t1 or BLG and G2 will either have to face Gen G or Tes.They both have to beat eastern teams to face each other.

[@joemama9479]

nah G2 gonna implode and lose to PSG

[@kureha6663]

If G2 implode against psg imma abandon this region

[@lehends5683]

G2 and TL probably won't meet because tl need to beat TES for that to happen, besides G2 would absolutely smack TL. G2 vs T1 was a very high level series and G2 hadn't even warmed up

[@happy.lil.hooman]

Editor faster than the speed of sound. It's still to reach my earphones

[@JQuill116]

Back-to-back international events where the LCS 1 seed saved what would have otherwise been a disaster for NA.

[@andreeaalexandru7811]

You saw APA in the last two NA series. We are still on the LS IWDominate vision that APA is bad from their loss to C9. What's with this APA roasting? It makes no sense a month after the NA season ended.

[@johnkirk1772]

Did u watch game 1? He isn’t good, fnc just have no adc so they can camp mid to ensure apa can lane

[@Tristan-ne1vz]

Although I think APA is amazing there’s so many amazing mids in NA. Idk if we can say he’s better than Jojo Palafox or even insanity, but APA is a bit underrated like you said. Imo as an individual he’s a bit behind the other mid laners smaller champ pool and less pressure and impact in lane, but at the same time APA is probably the best team player out of any of the mids, one of the better team fighters, and by far the best NA mid at absorbing pressure. That’s what impresses me the most he’s being banned out and perma pressured by enemy jgl/supp bc everyone views him as TL’s weakness and he still comes out even. It’s amazing to me. TL also plays around APA and complements him well. I don’t think APA could play this way on other NA teams and find the same success which would be my main criticism. However all the NA mids are unrefined and have a lot of room to grow but APA is for sure very good.

[@andreeaalexandru7811]

@@johnkirk1772 He had 7 3 7 in that game. Again, it seemed like he was terrible on the surface. Evan Caedral said that, but it was only because of his name. When he felt behind, it was the map that played out, not Apa himself. That's the point of my comment.

[@andreeaalexandru7811]

@@johnkirk1772 First game: Apa got FB, but then Jun was there!!! and he had to flash and lose the next minute's pressure and CS. He also died before his flash was up - that was not possible to prevent unless he stayed under the tower. Then he clean kills Razork in 2 vs 2 without his flash (while Humanoid and Razor k still had theirs). Then at min 12 kills Jun in 3 vs 1. Soon after, he escapes at the limit after Humanoid flashes R on him. Min 13 almost kills Jun on the trade but ends up suiciding (1st lousy play). The death at minute 15 was not a bad play, and the -1.6k gold from Humanoid was because Humanoid was 4 0 1, playing defensive Orianna all game. After this, 3 3 0 (0 means jg supp was not playing for Apa) of Apa and 4 0 1 of Humanoid, it ends up the game with 5 3 1 Humanoid and 7 3 7 Apa.

[@andreeaalexandru7811]

@@johnkirk1772 I know the meme that he looks bad because he is Apa but not from some objective reality of what happened in the game.

[@vanixiii5657]

The land of the free just liberated EU

[@samwilliams0901]

Bro is flexing an 80% Asian team as his own 💀

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

@@samwilliams0901 You're so mad bro. Lol. Imagine typing this much and still losing every argument 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@samwilliams0901]

@@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV 2-0, stop getting triggered by my flawless logic lil bud

[@JM-fh2em]

TL has 3 Korean born players and Fnactic had 2. Pointing out where players are from is stupid. This isn't the Olympics. TL > Fnactic

[@scifimisc9191]

@@samwilliams0901 Europe was founded in 1848 by Walker Texas Ranger when he rode a horse across the Atlantic, he called it "Eastern USA" which was eventually abbreviated as just "EU"

[@penguevan4531]

love the stats at the end of games!

[@uknoimright]

"game 1s are completely useless" well, they're objectively more useful than scrims by default of being on-stage and yet you seem to value scrims so much... hypocrisy infused with eu > na delusion? yep

[@MrDaniel3262]

Much love from Aus Caedrel! Don’t get a lot of time to watch live but love the vids!

[@ryangraf2542]

C-tier team vs C-tier team

[@zer0467]

Oscar is clean man (comment made after game 2)

[@camiscrazy0883]

39:39 Caedrel casually complaining about K'Sante dashing over the wall as Oscar dashes over the exact same wall after him LMAO

[@tjchez6540]

Delusional thinking oscar won top in a vaccuum game 2.

[@minime1988]

EU fans post your salty tears and cope excuses as a reply I'll happily laugh at all of them like I did on Reddit lol thank you very much ahead of time for the entertainment.

[@sapphire--9375]

was your editor editing this during the stream?

[@hann9228]

Thank you, NA. You've made my day.

[@simonhaitl5985]

-Noah, + Carrzy... The only right solution

[@tomasistok7229]

hope carzzy will replace hans sama

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

@@tomasistok7229 Nah. Would ruin the G2 dynamic. Hans isn't amazing, but he's not that bad.

[@mukamuka0]

....Holy XXXX Whhatttt? I can say this is the most surprise msi match by far.....XDD

[@reddo6092]

If you're FNC fan, trust me, it's not surprising in the LEAST

[@threeeyedcat]

It’s not a surprise

[@mukamuka0]

@@threeeyedcat It is for me. I'm also cheering for TL but even that, never expect them to win this series. Hell...I thought taking one game will already be an achievement since FNC looks good vs Gen

[@ashplague6200]

I said at last year worlds after Oscar got poppy that no one would let him have it again, he’s so clean at that champion

[@heartlessfoo]

51:48 didn’t capture yeon solo killing Noah with ult. Lmao

[@MGZetta]

When the west plays K'Sante, he looks balanced.

[@Jdubayou]

Impact was smurfing on it, just an EU problem I guess.

[@AN-nw2ic]

YEON PLAYING LIKE PRIME JACKEYLOVE

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

Yet got clapped by him... makes perfect sense.

[@kaz1217]

bro was taking notes from that TES 3-0

[@broussb]

Thanks for also including the anti spoiler plant!

[@TakarieZan]

LETS GOOOO!!!! The pouting from Caedrel was hilarious this game. 12:42 XD.

[@pcgamer1843]

Why did i wake up for this?? 😪

[@ndnd7614]

To watch Chovy clap TES

[@lenny2638]

@@ndnd7614 oh no no no

[@BrovarSpirytus]

​@@lenny2638oh yes

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

@@ndnd7614 Imagine typing this before game 3 and 4. LMAO

[@ndnd7614]

@@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV ? Gen G still won + Banger 5 game series. I don’t see anyone beating Gen G this year.

[@giuseppepepe4404]

And with that,i'm now only gonna watch T1 games,EU became a fucking joke i swear

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Always has been

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won 1 game against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@Hammer7000]

@@lemonhaze1506 List of NA achievements: - Get destroyed in the fastest Bo3 ever - Get eliminated by a minor region

[@giuseppepepe4404]

@@MrDespisedIcon not true honestly , EU was and actual region until 2020

[@samwilliams0901]

@@lemonhaze1506 bro is basing his entire personality on this comment, going around KZbin copying and pasting it 💀 We count achievements in silverware, not random series. 2-0, sit.

[@g0d1am]

game 4 “I think fanatic wins” Thinking isn’t your strong suit lol

[@avalonaura4076]

Friendly reminder that TL Impact is the SAME SKT Impact who won worlds in 2013

[@blapip6147]

Man EU is in shambles as a region these past few years. There was a time when EU's 3rd seed can gap NA's 1st seed. This series is to be fair NA's BEST team vs EU's second team which on paper should be NA's series to lose, but with how NA vs EU used to go, especially FNC, this was absolutely horrible to watch lol. I don't even blame FNC at this point, EU has been a one team region for years now, but even our strongest team is inconsistent. On the other hand NA's second seed (FNC counterpart) couldn't get out of play ins lol.

[@vang-toulee8351]

Yea that time never existed lmfao.

[@maxmustermann5849]

@@vang-toulee8351 nah it was quite common actually

[@vang-toulee8351]

@maxmustermann5849 common in your delusional mind lmfao. The only time was 2017 tsm. Most EU 3rd seeds was against NA 2nd or 3rd seed. Who always did infinitely better than NA first seed.

[@noahhaller4540]

Fanatic only got through plays in because they played against what could be the weakest team to ever appear in an international tournament. GAM with 2 substitutions. Fly (basically an EU team) had to play against a team that took BLG to 5 games. I think it’s pretty safe to say that PSG would’ve eliminated Fnatic

[@pantone448dd6]

no sound

[@nikolasdohrmann170]

I have sound, but only 360p graphics

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

You guys must have skill issues.

[@JohnHongGames]

You guys really edited out Yeon's solo kill on Noah at the end. Cowards.

[@CinemaSteve]

Someone get Jun a team. Please. The man is ELO hell’d.

[@cellgoondude]

Nothing to see here, just what was supposed to happen.

[@rickmckay3594]

It's been a while, NA>EU 😂

[@samwilliams0901]

80% Asian team 💀 lil bro is flexing foreigners

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

@@samwilliams0901 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@vang-toulee8351]

​@samwilliams0901 best player is a foreigner on EU KEK

[@samwilliams0901]

@@vang-toulee8351 best player in the history of the LEC per role: European, European, European, European, European. Not only does EU produce it's own talent, but that talent wins international trophies. NA's best ever international tournament was a team of NA foreigners getting 3-0d by EU in the fastest Bo5 in history. Levels.

[@JM-fh2em]

TL has 3 Korean born players and Fnactic had 2. Talking about where people are from as a means to show which team is better than another is xenophobic. This isnt the Olympics. Birthplace doesn't matter.

[@jaydog12353]

Is adc difficult to play this season? Stopped playing a while back so I have no idea how strong the adc role is this patch/season?

[@LaineDavies]

APAs all chat os what pro league needs more of. Its so good

[@iamvolkswagen6175]

Noah going back to (north)Korea with this one !!1🔥🔥🔥

[@lemonhaze1506]

List of EU achievements, EU celebrated all over social media: - Closest 0-3 ever against GenG - Almost win against T1 - Won 1 game against jet-lagged marathon T1 in a charity event - Scrim World Champions

[@samwilliams0901]

List of NA achievements:

[@Hammer7000]

List of NA achievements: - Get destroyed in the fastest Bo3 ever - Get eliminated by a minor region

[@lemonhaze1506]

@@Hammer7000 Hey we don't celebrate unless it is a clear win unlike you EU poors. Grasping at straw celebrating the "closest 3-0 I've ever seen" & "almost win" LMAO

[@vang-toulee8351]

Funny how they instantly mention NA after listing their achievements. NA lives in EU head rent free.

[@samwilliams0901]

@@vang-toulee8351 just making sure you don't forget that your region is trophyless in a 14-year old game.

[@lawrencewargrave9148]

I hope they bring carrzy or ice into this roster

[@unlikableai6508]

I mean he did put Team Liquid above Fnatic so it was the expected results

[@siddharthnair816]

YAPA STRIKES AGAIN

[@chrisuuu393]

Photon Razork Humanoid Carzzy Jun 2025 🙏

[@danranger2821]

Oscar wasn't even that bad this msi as a whole

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

preach 🙏🙏🙏

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

​@@danranger2821 If you don't take Photon over Oscar, you're delusional

[@arthurbuglas8346]

Oscar was the main reason why FNC won game 2. He prevented a more embarrassing 3-0 series by his clean Poppy game. In this critical series at least he carried 1 game... Humanoid should be replaced and keep Oscar imo.

[@Yishai-fb1ve]

Get rid of humanoid and razork aswell, to inconsistent

[@manuhumber4564]

Jun is so fun to watch, always pulls off some insane play

[@arturmizuno893]

thx for post game graphics mr editor!

[@oskarkazmierczak5533]

Welll boys and girls... let's face it. Last year G2 get stomped by NGR, this year FNC get blasted by TL. After many years of EU slapping NA now we are getting slapped. There is not enough copium to deny that recently NA slapping EU left, right and center.

[@kimjunghoon02]

HAAH EU ONE TEAM REGION 🇺🇸🦅

[@PastaDiMama44]

Says the region that only has 1 team in bracket stage in the first place. That btw has more imports than actual NA players

[@randomuser1093]

Isn’t NA the same lol

[@PeoplePleaser578]

NA is a 0 team region so

[@kimjunghoon02]

@@randomuser1093 🇺🇸🦅🦅🗣️

[@onigiri9964]

@@PastaDiMama44 If Fanatic played PSG how do you think it would go? You got the lucky draw and then got destroyed. Imports? How long has CoreJJ lived in usa? how long has impact lived in usa? But xenophobic 🤡 like you would call them imports....Disgusting! you should be ashamed! 😂

[@nagygabor6300]

I commonly like to play Viego to pick him as a jungler, but I'm not hyped for doing it nowadays... I feel like he doesn't work well in fights in this meta.

[@JasonInc1]

LET'S GO TL!