Manjaro is NOT Arch

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Manjaro isn't Arch. That's what I've been hearing a lot of people say and I'm starting to agree. What are your thoughts?
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[@BrodieRobertson]

true and real

[@s7ppy]

true and real

[@skelebro9999]

true and real

[@theluga7363]

Yeap, so much truth. I just love Manjaro nowadays. Manjaro is like the opposite of Ubuntu and Debian. In the way that Debian is Old, Ubuntu tries to be cutting edge. (well, there is Debian unstable etc.) But, Arch is cutting edge while manjaro tries to be a little more stable. And there is also a little more difference on the GUI and easy-to-use interface. I like manjaro because I have 4 Beta testers. Arch on Testing, Arch Main, Manjaro Unstable, Manjaro Testing, and finally me, Manjaro stable. Haha I don't care if a package is one or two weeks old. I used debian and debian (pop os broke my system 3 times and even chrooting I couldn't fix) based distros, the packages were so Old I came here to arch-friendly based. In a way, I will never use fedora because I don't like to be a beta tester. So, thank you all for everything. I like both of your channels. It's so great seeing how much you give to society and how good are your videos. Thank you for being my beta testers, it means a lot for me. Have a nice day!

[@s7ppy]

@@theluga7363 true and real

[@skelebro9999]

@@theluga7363 true and real

[@stephanieking4444]

It all depends on what you use your computer for. Manjaro IS Arch based, but it's not pure Arch and never pretended to be. If people thought it was, they were simply taking advice from unwise sources.

[@sohn7767]

@greek-geek eh no, I don’t think you should ship chaotic-aur by default anywhere

[@sohn7767]

@greek-geek I agree, but simply the non-verified nature of chaotic-aur shouldn’t be a default. Maybe a checkbox is enough

[@9a3eedi]

The reason I picked manjaro is that I wanted the rolling release model of arch, with relatively up to date packages, but because this was on a laptop for home use, I didn't want to spend time customizing every little tiny thing. I just wanted it to work. I didn't mind if the packages were a few weeks or a month old, stability was more important. Manjaro seemed like the perfect fit

[@stopspyingonme9210]

I would still recommend something Ubuntu based for something like that. You get a rock solid base and relatively up to date software. Just disable snaps and setup flatpak maybe a few ppas

[@nunagoras]

@@stopspyingonme9210 For that purpose, just use Linux Mint which will make the case for pretty much everything. Meanwhile I still happily run Manjaro Cinnamon on a 12 years old machine that doesn't run Mint anymore with satisfactory results and what I can say is that, as far as I manage to do all the updates at each appropriate time when they're launched, all works generally well with no major problems. A quick travel to the terminal will solve a little problem here and there, but that would to be true for Mint as well, so no real stability difference whatsoever, on a far lighter system!...

[@ArdaU]

@@stopspyingonme9210 nah ubuntu has a lot of glitches i couldn't even install a app using ubuntus app store it was crashing

[@spaceghostmiid]

@@stopspyingonme9210 ubuntu does weird shit with permissions in their filesystem, i had nothing but issues trying to use my ubuntu pc as a jellyfin server

[@robotron1236]

Manjaro is awesome. I’ve switched to Arch, just to do it, and I’ve noticed virtually no difference. I even switched my Manjaro install on my other computer to the unstable branch, and now they’re both exactly the same.

[@Uchiha_Madara1224]

Btw I use Fedora 🤣🤣

[@KunalKumar-dz4kb]

I think it's "I Utilize Fedora OFC"

[@gratural1]

No. Fedora use you. As free RHEL tester.

[@JTCPingas]

@@gratural1 wow ok bud

[@ninjanigga0218]

Every fedora user fated to install arch 😞

[@JTCPingas]

@@ninjanigga0218 Not me. I'm never installing Arch again.

[@samganji6987]

I understand that for people who want pure Arch yeah Manjaro ain't it. But I disagree with the statement that people who want Arch shouldn't at least start with Manjaro. For me personally I wanted Arch because of AUR and Manajro is like Arch on easy mode honestly.

[@taidee]

As he highlights the fact that because of Manjaro's pursuit of stability, their repos are always behind Arch's which makes it a little more risky to use AUR (which is aligned with Arch in terms of software versions) than it would be if you tried distros like Arco or EndeavourOS, etc. These are more just Arch with an installer + themes + extra repos. For a new user therefore choosing Manjaro to get to AUR may be not as favourable, it is however fine when you are not new and so you know what to do when troubles strike. Manjaro is not just a themed Arch with easy installer.

[@williamevans6830]

Heres where the confusion begins. If you can build arch from the ground up good for you but it wont be as stable in the long term as Manjaro. Its great that the option to have a vanilla experience exists but it'll be Manjaro that puts Arch on the map for most users. I have 0 interest for instance in building my own arch based system. I want a stable environment I can use to code and interact with the terminal and frankly be productive without spending endless hours on keeping an unstable system stable. That said its certainly each to their own. If you're happy with pure arch more power to you.

[@Zesuto3]

@@williamevans6830 I think the long-term stability perspective comes more from anecdotal experience; I've been using the same Arch(btw) install on my laptop since 2013~ and the only maintenance I've ever done is searching for updates every few days while I brew coffee, then reading the change logs on the packages it's about to install to make sure I won't screw anything. I've never had issues and it took me roughly 30 minutes to install it all those years ago, I also don't usually try new stuff, I've been sticking to the same software forever which contributes to its stability. I never gave it a heavy use though hence why I believe this is anecdotal; I use the laptop for coding mods for a few pixel games as well as spriting work, I play those games from the laptop in my spare time, I also use it to remote into my workstation and I used to do homework, access medical databases and read PDFs when I was still in medschool. Do I still recommend Arch to everyone? no lol, this is my personal experience because I know what I'm doing most of the time and the use case for my laptop is simple, but that doesn't mean other people especially new users will have the exact same experience, especially if they want to experiment with the many alternatives, which is a constant in the community.

[@williamevans6830]

@@Zesuto3 This is great. Its these kind of comments that help people understand Linux has many different users. Arch is excellent if you're prepared to do exactly as you mentioned follow the change logs cross check any degraded libraries or conflicts that may happen with bleeding edge updates. It certainly is a distro where you get out of it what you put in.

[@williamevans6830]

@cheese another choice for sure though it seems Manjaro got there first its theirs to mess up. Good to know other customized Arch based distros are available though incase Majaro do an Ubuntu.

[@gddrew]

I tried using Arch for a little, but couldn’t wireless working (still a newbie), so I installed Manjaro and problem solved. I love it (but I still like Arch). I may check out Endeavor and Arco. Thanks for the video, very informative.

[@r.eugenelee9148]

I ran Arco for a least 3 months before I installed Arch as Calam-Arch Installer. I have to say it is way stable and has awesome support. Dennis Dubois and the gang are some of the best techs in the Linux world. Can't go wrong with Arco

[@DMSBrian24]

What exact issue did you have with wifi? Pretty much all desktop environments should include network manager with a nice frontend gui. Unless you were trying to do a window manager build, then obviously it becomes a bit harder since you have to configure stuff on your own, but even that is pretty well documented.

[@badmax7319]

same, but I use Arco

[@Crow-lz7et]

Endeavour is a very good option, i use it for 6 months already and it gave me 0 problems.

[@KaiserWodka]

My secondary pc is running Manjaro for almost 2 years now and every single time that i switch to a newer kernel version, the nvidia drivers break. So i got to spend hours fixing them because their driver utility tool is terrible. But the straw that broke the camel's back was the Manjaro team holding back a new version of OBS for 3+ months with a feature that i desperately needed. So I went with ArcoLinux on my main machine 9 months ago and zero issues regarding kernel and driver updates. And the maintainer is an incredible resource for arch related issues and deserves more credit than he gets.

[@AyaWetts]

Manjaro updates nvidia drivers matching their kernel updates... if you are letting Manjaro manage your nvidia drivers and not trying to install them manually. If you have it set up that way, I've had numerous kernel updates and nvidia updates always at the same time and never breaks.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I use EndeavourOS. Close to “vanilla Arch” but still has a graphical installer. You don’t get to be a top 5 Linux distro on Distro Watch (number 2 the last time I checked) by being mediocre.

[@KaiserWodka]

@@AyaWetts A friend of mine who also uses Manjaro on one of his machines never reported any such issues. But I've given up on figuring out the problem. I've just been too lazy to switch to something else on that pc so far

[@hellomiakoda3782]

I went to Manjaro because I'm not ready to try Arch. Manjaro has the few things I wanted from Arch, with none of what I didn't want to deal with on my daily driver. The AUR, pacman, the rolling release, and it's as close to bleeding edge as I can get without giving up too much stability. The biggest reason I wanted an Arch based distros is I got fed up with PPAs on Ubuntu based distros. I had been using Ubuntu for years, went to Pop for a while, and still, those damn Papas were a nightmare. I had already left Ubuntu based distros when Snaps showed up. Manjaro has been rock solid, and the only time my Manjaro install went belly up is when I tried to switch it from Gnome to Plasma. I probably could have fixed it, but went for the reinstall for a number of reasons. Manjaro also has Zsh. I didn't think I'd like it having come from Bash, but now I find myself missing it when I'm on a Bash system. My server, for example, is Bash. The only systems I have not running some flavor of Manjaro are two very low spec machines running Linux Lite.

[@markoskaram22]

I've hardly used any Ubuntu based distros, what is the issue with PPAs?

[@geewiz70]

Agree 100%, my journey has been the same. Having to set up another PPA for every interesting application got really tedious. You basically depend on dozens of tiny package repositories, praying that their maintainers will keep them up-to-date. Coming from Ubuntu and POP!os, Manjaro has been a breath of fresh air for me. There's a solution for everything I need for work and want for play right in pamac, either from Manjaro, AUR or Flathub.

[@DMSBrian24]

​@@markoskaram22 PPA's (personal package archives) are essentially additional repositories you can add to your system. They're not a problem per se and you can do the same thing on Arch or Fedora, but there's multiple things that are wrong with the way Ubuntu uses PPA's. First of all - over-reliance. The ability to add a repo doesn't mean it should be used for actual software distribution, but that's exactly what Ubuntu uses them for. Instead of including everything you might need in the official repositories like you'd see on Arch, Fedora or even Debian, Ubuntu relies on software distributors to maintain their own repositories, which the user then has to add as PPA's in order to obtain whatever software they need. This makes it very annoying to look for, but what's worse, makes it very, very prone to various issues: There's always a chance of user error and a version mismatch, because there are multiple supported versions of Ubuntu at every time. Then there's a chance that the PPA is poorly maintained and not properly tested with official packages. Then there could be situations where a PPA relies on another PPA, exponentiating the chance for a disaster. Considering that even things like Nvidia drivers are distributed this way, all those things can result in your system getting bricked, and they very often do for many beginners, combined with apt being an extremely finicky package manager to deal with in compared to something like pacman or even dnf. Now compare it to sth like Arch - almost everything is in the official repositories (Core, Extra and Community). Whenever something's not in the official repositories, instead of having everything in its very own PPA, separate packages are hosted in a single user repository - the AUR, where they can be easily accessed and more reliably maintained, and if they prove popular, eventually added to official repositories. Also there's only a single official version, so there's almost no chance for a version mismatch unless you do something very, very wrong, and if the AUR package itself is outdated, it'll be very clearly indicated and you'll be able to use it at your own risk. The only minor annoyance is having to use a separate tool to search and install stuff from the AUR rather than building that functionality into pacman, but this is not really an issue. Fedora is in-between the two - it does use its equivalent of PPA's but doesn't over-rely on them. Most of libre software is in the official repositories (like Arch's Core and Extra), less common software as well as non-free software are in RPM Fusion repositories (equivalent to Arch's Community repo), so the only thing you really need is enabling the Fusion repos with a single command and you're pretty much set, it should be toggle-able through GUI imo but it's not a big deal. Then, any personal projects that are either not major or popular enough to be included in RPM Fusion, (usually it'll be stuff like themes, fonts or maybe some more niche packages, basically what would go in the AUR on Arch), can be hosted in COPR - it's basically a database of PPA-like repositories. Because they're centralized, they can be easily accessed and searched using the package manager and the system itself never relies on them so there's no chance of major breakage, basically this approach is not much different from what the AUR offers.

[@karlingtonbanks898]

you can always install zsh on your server, and just push the dotfiles and pull the plugins onto it

[@DominikLuebben]

I absolutely love Manjaro. For me, it's the best distro on the market. But that depends on your type and needs, of course. I would agree, that Manjaro isn't Arch, however I disagree if you say it's not Arch-based. Of course it is Arch-based, since it uses pacman and kind of works like Arch under the hood. I would not consider Manjaro a "beginner's distro" as it is often marketed as. Manjaro is a good intermediate distro with a lot of features that make it easy to set up and use. That's actually the reason, why I'm using it instead of vanilla Arch. I tried vanilla Arch several months ago on my computers and decided to go back to Manjaro, since on Arch from time to time things just didn't work they should and I had no idea why. I'm a Linux user for more than 20 years now, but I still got these problems on Arch and I have a family, I'm a "casual user" not a "developer" or "hacker" or whatever people supposedly use Linux. I'm just a regular user who likes Linux better than Windows and MacOS, that's it. I don't want to bother with the issues a vanilla Arch system has. As you stated correctly in your video, you are even told to manually intervene in updates. That's not the way I want to use my computer. I have a life! I also tried out Fedora, since you and others recommended Fedora as "the best" Linux, which I cannot confirm at all, but that's another topic. If people like to tinker around with their computers and are able or willing to waste their time for frustrating configurations and solving problems, they should use Arch or endeavor os. Manjaro is for "normal" poeple who like rolling release distros. Debian-based distros such as Ubuntu or Mint are too old for me. Fedora is kind of in between, but there are several other things I don't like, but as I said ... different topic.

[@stephanieking4444]

I second everything you say. Manjaro is perfect for my needs: regular user, but not Windows or Mac. Ubuntu and Mint are indeed too old. As for Fedora, I haven't tried it yet.

[@dylon4906]

I agree with everything but the "not for beginners" part. I will say it's not the most beginner distro, for someone like my parents who doesn't know much about computers nor really cares I would just install mint. but for someone who actually has some computer knowledge and is interested in switching to Linux I always recommend manjaro. imo it's the easiest way to get almost everything Linux has to offer in an easy to use package. it has a friendly installer, it has nvidia drivers out of the box, the pamac gui makes it super easy to install packages from repos, aur, flatpak, and snap, it has a ton of options for desktop environment, it preinstalls wayland and x on supporting DEs, the list goes on and on

[@dylon4906]

@cheese I would disagree. I've never had any official packages break in my 4 months of running manjaro. you can also break Ubuntu by adding ppas

[@dylon4906]

@cheese I'm not sure if that's true but if it is I'm sure they'll find out quick why that's a bad idea

[@zukxxxx0]

Personal preferences matter. I wonder about you that a normal linux user🙌🙌🙌 kudos xD

[@Crackalacking_Z]

Sounds to me like Manjaro IS Arch based, but with additional safety nets and less default bleeding edge.

[@khandakershahi]

I agree on that.

[@taidee]

Yes it is, that's why it is likened to Ubuntu. It's just that it has done enough not to be confused with Arch.

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

Additional safety nets? It breaks more than Arch does.

[@zeveroarerules]

@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 never?

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

@@zeveroarerules Depends on how you use it, meaning just logging in and out in your case.

[@Lanzetsu]

Manjaro is not the only Arch distro I liked but also the only Gnome distro customization out of the box as you said I honestly like, for me Manjaro is something quite unique and I love it, but I use it as my secondary SO, my daily driver is still OpenSuse KDE and for my family I usually install Pop_OS or Mint which are also quite particular instead of simply "An ubuntu forked version"

[@snowmean1]

Manjaro used to be an Arch with GUI installer and 2 weeks delay in 2014 when I install it on my machine and felt in love. However during the recent years, Manjaro were getting further and further away from Arch - delays become bigger (3 months for new KDE or Gnome releases), and instead of providing better stability by delaying updates, they started to add their own packages which are worse than Arch in terms of stability. I do remember their linux-5.8 kernel made installation unbootable due to weird initrd file name, also pamac was responsible for the DDoS attack on AUR which also increased Manjaro stigma among Arch community. I eventually converted my Manjaro installation into a full-pledged Arch in 2020 and never looked back.

[@zebilaweed]

"DDOS attack" LMAO. Too much connection during a couple hours due to Pamac and the huge amount of users it has, while issue was also on AUR side as its devs as said. Sure there was abnormal amount of requests due to a new feature (implemented as suggested by AUR devs) in Pamac, but the way fanboys always transform reality is ridiculous. All what I wrote is available in Manjaro's Gitlab issues for Pamac, find the multiple posts for full history but I basically summed it up.

[@snowmean1]

@@zebilaweed It was DDoS attack in fact. Just read the DDoS definition first. In addition to that pamac was responsible not for one but two DDoS attacks which is also proofs my point.

[@deviantsemicolon618]

@@zebilaweedsending too many requests to a server from multiple systems is a DDoS attack by definition. And even if it wasn’t, it doesn’t change the fact that Manjaro’s devs have caused the *entire* AUR to get knocked out TWICE.

[@SwitchedtoLinux]

I would tend to agree. I run Manjaro on my Pi and Endeavour on my media PC. I use it on the Pi because it is the most stable distro that I found where everything works on pi, though I may need to check out the new Endeavour option for it that was just released.

[@trickeddev]

dietpi is probably the best distro for a pi

[@chairman67]

I use Manjaro as it's own standalone rolling release distro with it's own Official Repos using pamac.. I don't know anything about Arch and I'm cool with that..

[@jesse7631]

I agree totally with your comparison of Manjaro to Arch being like Ubuntu to Debian. Good video as always!

[@borbetomagus]

I was a little confused when you displayed a screenshot of antiX Linux at 6:56 (which is Debian based), but mention that Artix Linux is Arch based at 7:21. I hope to try one or more of the distributions you mention. Thanks for your videos!

[@rlosangeleskings]

I might need to try Manjaro on my next laptop restoration project... I've been using Debian based Linux for these projects... Ubuntu will not stick to anything I've built in the past... Mint sometimes did and it's my favorite (if it actually runs on those laptops)... The LMDE always worked and it's my preferred Linux based laptop version...not to mention desktop...

[@Arrozconchopsticks]

I prefer LMDE on my laptop but out of nowhere I'm having wifi issues. Going to try Manjaro.

[@zukxxxx0]

Using Linux for a year, began ubuntu and added fedora last week... Added manjaro vm last day. Is manjaro a better option to learn arch? I mean the package management of arch pacman use cases in shell. And playing around in addition to get the confidence enough to move to Arch?

[@Cavi587]

I agree and I think that's good. Manjaro is a great distro that combines the strenghts of both the more stable solutions (like debian) and pure arch. You're still better off than on Ubuntu but you aren't getting the bad things about using Arch daily. It's great. A great compromise.

[@wyfyj]

I feel like I am just now noticing your new heatsink for your CPU. Any other new additions? Getting a 6800xt in a few days, tired of nvidia not working on my set up. All due to user error. Lesson I learned was if the system is running fine, don't do anything. I started to update firmware and what not.

[@reoencarcelado5904]

@the--comment/post/title-of-the-video "Manjaro is NOT Arch": Manjaro isn't Arch. It's based[-]on Arch source-code, but it isn't Arch. The same way Ubuntu isn't Debian. It's based-on Debian source-code, but it isn't Debian. You could say, that Manjaro is the "Ubuntu" of Arch. (In that, that like Ubuntu, it has a-whole-bunch-of-preinstalled-programs-&-things to make the transition to Linux easier). Manjaro also uses its-own-Software-Servers (ie. Software-Repositories). It doesn't-use Arch's software-repositories. Just-like Ubuntu doesn't-use Debian's software-repositories. It-made--&--uses its *own* software-repositories. I dunno what-else--to-say about the differences between Arch and Manjaro but if I think of any more I will edit this comment and type them.

[@mattbosley3531]

All I can say is everything I install from AUR works without a problem, and whenever I install something on Manjaro using instructions for Arch it works. I am not an expert and don't claim to be. But obviously Manjaro is still close enough to Arch that they can be treated as mostly the same.

[@tuantran3629]

You could install something on Ubuntu with instruction for Arch and it still works.

[@mattbosley3531]

@@tuantran3629 I don't know if you're joking or not, but that is absolutely not true. Ubuntu is Debian-based and installing something on a Debian-based versus an Arch-based Linux distribution is very different. Instructions for installation on different distros are no interchangeable.

[@dochood1966]

I have Manjaro on a ProxMox VM and a 2014 Macbook Pro (I call it the MANBook Pro... see what I did there?). The biggest thing I like about it is how they setup ZSH / Oh-My-ZSH on the Gnome version, as well as the Gnome theming / skinning and the desktop style selector. If I could get a TRUE Arch that had those features, I'd go with it, if the project had enough momentum. The next best Arch in my opinion is EndeavourOS, but they don't give KDE or Gnome as much attention as XFCE, leaving those pretty much stock. Pop!OS is my daily driver (since I have two personal System76 laptops and one for work), but I'm starting to feel a little limited with it.

[@zukxxxx0]

Yup, cz that's also as ubuntu behind an organization.. Therefore we feel so

[@andredavis3350]

will installing things from the aur section in pamac break manjaro? this part had me a bit confused

[@andrewd4906]

Manjaro made my pinebook pro a fantastic little laptop. I have used it for a couple of years. It is great. When I found out that minisforum were doing a Manjaro UM700 I bought one, and have been very happy with it. I have no experience of arch, so couldn't make a comparison.

[@robotron1236]

Manjaro and arch turned an old acer Chromebook into a real laptop with a 256gb NVME drive.

[@allenellisdewitt]

The Ubuntu t-Shirt during an Arch/Manjaro video is a nice touch. ;P

[@chrismcdonaldracing]

It never takes long for a distro Based on another distro to become something completely different. Suse was Slackware base at one point.

[@hurtstopee1895]

looks and feels pretty and clean and runs my emulators well but playonlinx is not available on it right now and wine tricks isn't resolving my window games issues i've been able to on distros that have playonlinux. will it ever show up in the app center? as i tried terminal and it sez it's not there....

[@abdcookie4642]

The title "Manjaro is not Arch" is somewhat representative of parts of the elitist and toxic Linux communities. It implies that there are people claiming it's 100% identical, which probably no one ever did. But saying "Manjaro is Arch WITH XY changed/modified/etc", is and will never be wrong. Manjaro is still Arch in the core and in so many other ways ("arch-based"), and that's what's the important thing for users and developers in the long run. This discussion is purely semantic and often depends on context. Claiming "Manjaro is NOT arch" implies is has nothing to do with Arch at all, and that's imho even more wrong than saying "Manjaro is Arch".

[@Anonymous4045]

Don't read too much into yt titles, they're usually just for clickbait

[@juanpablo1834]

I love manjaro, I was going through some diestro hopping and after deciding I didn't like debian, I gave it a go. I literally said okay I'll have this just, I'll tweak a lil bit and keep going with another stuff, and here I am one year later still using it and not even ONCE finding a breaking bug. I just love it. Very customizable, very powerful, allowing me to do crazy stuff, and also very easy and good for learning. 10/10

[@slamdozerkachna4584]

Hi Brandon, could you make a video: XFCE on 4k monitor? It drives me crazy...

[@peterschmidt9942]

I didn't know you could use pamac as command line too? I thought it was only GUI. Well there you go! The kernal swappers good too. I used it for a while until it had a melt down. Not sure if it was me or an update. But enough that it needed to be re-installed so I started trying other distros.

[@rlosangeleskings]

Is there a touch version of Manjaro to use on a soon to be EOL android tablet???

[@BumWolf69]

I'm starting to feel that way myself. When I stick with mostly what's in the Manjaro Repos and Flat paks I have less issues than when I try to use stuff from the AUR. Yeah I agree Manjaro is the Ubuntu of the Arch ecosystem. Not a bad thing it's my daily driver probably will be for the foreseeable future.

[@bobbybologna3029]

never use anything from the AUR if you're not on arch. Everybody on the AUR is developing their software against Archlinux which updates like every hour, all that software has a high risk of breaking because manjaro's software/dependencies are kept static.

[@mberlinger3]

@@bobbybologna3029 The AUR is fine and Manjaro works well with it so long as you don't start replacing system libs or critical pkgs with the versions in the AUR. Sometimes the packages from AUR might have an issue, which usually is fixed within a Manjaro update. Moreover, the -bin versions of the pkgs in AUR rarely-if ever-have issues. Finally, who is updating their system hourly? Do you like staring at compilations all day? For context, I'm a Manjaro and Arch user btw

[@-someone-.]

Well that’s the end of that flex for Manjaro’s🤣🤦‍♂️

[@richdmj]

I use Manjaro KDE. My opinion about whether it is close enough to Arch to call it Arch based is that if there is not a significant difference between the Base OS and itself what would the point of the distro be? It has to separate itself to a degree where it makes its own mark on the world. Manjaro is based on Arch , and it has separated itself to a degree where it is successfully making it’s own mark on the world. I think Manjaro is making it’s daddy proud.

[@DrewIsFail]

Why would an update require a manual intervention? What's an example?

[@OmegaDarkMage]

Transitioning to Manjaro was easy after trying Linux Mint for about a year. Definitely liking an Arch based distro better when it comes to package management.

[@nelsonworkman7541]

Here's the difference between the two as I see it. Let's say you want a log cabin. You go to the Arch contractor, and he gives you a chainsaw, a map to the nearest forest and instructions for building your cabin. The Manjaro contractor shows you plans to pick from, builds the cabin for you, so when you move in, all you have to do is arrange your furniture.

[@Kin2InuYasha]

When I was in my late teens or early 20's I installed vanilla arch from the ground up on an old laptop and spotty internet connection. Spending an embarrassing amount of time on the wiki, but I was so proud to finally get it functioning the way I wanted. I don't remember most of what I did to accomplish that now. Either I'm not as focused as I used to be, or I'm getting lazier as I get older, but doing it again would seem like torture troubleshooting network adapters, graphics drivers and whatnot. Needless to say I settled into manjaro pretty quickly without the hassle and I was already somewhat familiar with arch.

[@WildVoltorb]

Dude, c'mon, early 20s was 2 years ago. In fact we're still on early 20s

[@finnmonstar]

@@WildVoltorb bro he meant his 20s, not the year 2020

[@Kazilikaya]

Just installed Manjaro. I previously used Linux Mint but the latest version kept locking up and dropping wifi. I have an LG Gram 17z990.

[@lightprogrammer]

Manjaro is the only distro that hasn't explode on me, so that's good

[@sca255_loves_PCs]

i use manjaro because it is easier to install and its desktop is very beautiful to look

[@stopspyingonme9210]

Honestly besides setting up WiFi in the tty and the 5 minutes I spent partitioning it wasn’t that difficult to install base arch. Worth the piece of mind knowing aur updates won’t break anything

[@catchnkill]

Things have changed. Arch installation is lot more easy now. There is a installation script in the Arch ISO. Type archintall and the script will guide you through. I remember the days installation of Arch means following a Archwiki installation document.

[@gimlam5909]

But what makes a GNU+Linux an Arch anyway? Is it just Pacman, the AUR packages and systemd that make it different than a base Gentoo, for example? Are there also some Arch idiosyncrasies in dotfiles and the way the system is to be configured so it can be called "Arch" and not "Smirch"?

[@willw2596]

I've installed Arch 3 times but failed to arrive at a complete system. The first 2 times the encrypted disk interfered with the boot loader and got into an infinite loop. I gave up on disk encryption. The 3rd time the system was rebooted before the wifi info was saved to the disk and the next bootup has no network. Yes, I learned a lot about building the system from scratch, but I just wanted a workable Arch system without fuss. Manjaro saved the day.

[@smudgey5000]

It's kinda of like the Ubuntu of Arch. Where it's very similar and uses the same package manager but its a totally different repository. Like Manjaro has Brave Browser in it's repo so you can just install it using pacman -S while in Arch you need to use the AUR or like flatpak.

[@djpcradock]

Arch is easy to install now., the GUI thing that you mentioned is on the downloadable .iso install files. At the install prompt, I just type "archinstall" and there's an amazing program that does everything for me.

[@GauteAnimationNorway]

Went and installed it yesterday. I somehow have 1, 2 crucial software break once in a while on Endeavor Os. Which makes it so I have to reformat my pc once in a while for it to work again. So far everything on Manjaro has just worked. Except my ntfs ekstern Harddrives, but after ntfs to ext4 switch they work. I'm trying it out to see if it will have my software being stable for longer. As I can still use yay I am happy.

[@deepakmohapatra7416]

i just installed manjaro and gor used to its kde flavor. the thing i liked the most is to type a program and it does a hacky looking cmd thingy like executing this thing, runtime library, and side by side a program opens. it was fun and my gpu just works while on base debian 11 its doesnot work out of the box specially gpu driver.

[@kztuptuo7076]

Thank you for that, manjaro is same thing for arch as ubuntu for debian

[@JuhoHartikainen]

2:54 auto CC: ninjaro I think we need to build a new fork of Manjaro. You can create a shuriken out of four Arch logos.

[@rafaburdzy449]

I am using Linux Mint, but I paying with Arch on VirtualBox , I love that Arch commed line and that is very light. My computer has only 4G ram but I managed to run Mint and Arch. I am now to Linux, but I love challenges. It's not for ego it's for fun 😊

[@fabienmargerie6815]

Thanks and have a beautifull day too! See you next time!

[@Eyuphuro]

when i first started using linux i heard about arch i was so frustrated to learn it didn't have an installer. today, after knowing the advantage of a super manual installation, even on debian i do a manual installation with mmdebstrap program.

[@BadenPowellTux]

I gave up on Manjaro because I was getting my system broken every time after installing a 'major update'. I switched to Fedora and MX Linux and I'm pretty happy with them.

[@zxami]

The whole system never broke for me. Only SDDM did not work once after the update due to a bug related to Intel graphics. One time I couldn't do a system update with pacman, then I learned that I should use pamac for major system updates and it always works.

[@neck-o]

Manjaro makes Windows 11 look good

[@sillyness3456]

In my experience, Manjaro is less stable than vanilla Arch and always broke my desktop configuration… With Arch, I never experienced such problems, however, my last Arch install didn’t survive a power outage.

[@lonercheki]

was xfce version manjaro or not ?

[@sillyness3456]

@@lonercheki Yes, it was the XFCE version…

[@agostinhomatos321]

Another Arch linux based distro ready to use after running Calamares installation is StormOS. In fact there are many ready-to-use arch linux distros like Garuda, PeuxOS, RebornOS, Bluestar, Arco linux, Archcraft linux, etc.

[@rudychin7669]

I wouldn't be surprised if Garuda becomes more popular people will start to hate. Garuda looks like an interesting distro. I use manjaro and think its great. Always knew its arch based. this is simple but then again what would people talk about.

[@zaneearldufour]

Tbh, I couldn't get Manjaro or endeavourOS to boot on my old MacBook, but archinstall worked the first try

[@oalfodr]

It is ironic how they hold back packages for testing but still I had 5x more package issues on manjaro compared to arch

[@bobbybologna3029]

Arch stays so stable because everything has to be kept up to date, but it updates like every 30 minutes.. so imagine how they manage to hold something like that back for any extended period of time lol of course it's going to cause issues.

[@ArniesTech]

My head hurts when people say Manjaro is basically Arch 😅🤣

[@judedashiell5390]

Kalamaris makes manjaro uninstallable by the screen reader set. What the screen reader set can do with arch llinux is start installer and arrow down once on boot screen then hit enter and wait a few seconds to hear sound card speaking then at the root prompt run archinstall. It used to be much more detailed and complex in the past before archinstall became available.

[@Misteryman321]

I run Manjaro with unstable branch. It's helped me understand Arch more as a whole and when i'm ready to take the plunge i'm not going in blind completely

[@ChristopherGray00]

manjaro and arch are for two seperate use cases, manjaro is meant to be an easy to install, pre-setup ready to go system, arch is meant to be advanced DIY where you construct your whole system from the ground up

[@Misteryman321]

@@ChristopherGray00 I’m aware of that…but i still need to learn on how arch works.

[@andrewcarrillo4814]

I can’t get manjaro installed on my pi. Only Armbian. No idea why

[@elektra81516]

Manjaro has been my baby for a while, pure Arch feels like a painful but rewarding experience but something I'm not entirely comfortable with atm.

[@alx8439]

Manjaro XFCE' default configuration is just gorgeous, snappy and lean to resources. After playing a while with it in a VM I don't really get why they're not so many people using it as a daily driver.

[@stopspyingonme9210]

Xfce missing a few key feafures like animations for switching desktops and auto tiling like pop shell. Other than that I would totally use it

[@alx8439]

@@stopspyingonme9210 they're some shortcuts you can use to manually tile your windows. I picked them up from ms windows, like super+left/right/up/down, and I find them in every second window manager on Linux. This is, off course, not a replacement for true auto tiling thing, but still. If it's the only thing you're missing in xfce, you can join the development to make it better for you and eventually for everyone

[@avastorneretal]

Пользовался Manjaro почти год, перешёл на EndeavourOS(по сути чистый арч, так как в итоге я убрал их дополнительный репозиторий), для меня она оказалась более готовой из коробки и более стабильной в долгосрочной перспективе. И Manjaro, и EndeavourOS были с KDE Plasma.

[@o-manthehuman7867]

I've been running manjaro as a daily driver for the past while-- I've found that it's very nice, and I have a hell of a lot of customization. Honestly, I just don't have the time to get arch installed-- if I did, I would probably be using it.

[@leerdoor]

I'm being remembered of this fact that Manjaro isnt the same as Arch, every time i can't find my printers and network shares after installing an Arch distro ...

[@Sg2hck]

Hey someone please recommend me a distro for fast and smooth use, couple of weeks back I moved from windows to Linux, after a week of research decided to install manjaro, Ive tried both xfce and plasma. Ive noticed some slow down in my machine after when I open 2-3 application at the same time resulting screen freeze which I didn't have before with windows. Also a lot more issues in xfce with applications. I don't have time to go through a hard learning curve, I have dead lines at my work. Btw I'm running on 4 gb ram and core i5 2425m processor.

[@asrock1032]

if stability is important for you either go for a debian based or a redhat based distro. although redhat ones (mainly fedora) tend to be a bit more heavy. and since you don't want to go through a hard learning curve, I'd say linux mint and zorin os could be a good distro for you.

[@thelakeman2538]

Does it freeze like the whole computer becoming unresponsive to the point of it not responding to anything and you having to hard restart or is it just slow and gets stuck sometimes. If it's the latter try monitoring your resource usage maybe the ram or cpu is limiting factor, if you're running out of memory then try making a 4 gb swapfile as a stopgap solution. If it's the former you would have to try the Manjaro forums or look up any similar issues with your particular hardware on the internet regardless of the distro. Also if you want a DE that works well out of the box without you needing to customise or tinkering much I would recommend gnome.

[@prototry]

I suggest you switch to another more light weight distro like EndearvourOS or Arcolinux. You may also consider Fedora or debian based distro like PopOS or Linux mint.

[@foss_sound]

If you change your OS, you should take your time to learn. You can't switch vom Win to macOS and think, everything works the same. This is also true for Linux. It is not a free Windows. Your setup is not the latest, but I think pretty okay. You should stick with XFCE, because it needs way less CPU/RAM/GPU than Plasma or even Gnome. My advice: Do your work with your known system and fidldle around with Linux (maybe Manjaro XFCE or Xubuntu or Linux Mint for first steps) every day. The learning curve is steep but every step has to be gone by your own. Stay away from Arch, if you don't want to "pay" with your time to look at a solution in online forums.) Check htop in terminal to check, which app causes the lags. Then check, if anyone else has the problem with a similar setup.

[@Sg2hck]

@@thelakeman2538 actually both sometimes just the screen sometime the whole system to the point where i have to do a hard restart. yes ive created 3 gb of swap while installing, but ill try to look for a solution in the forum, thankyou.

[@BUDA20]

EndeavourOS is the way to go, you can install pamac there if you want to use a graphical interface to discover software, but paru or yay on the command line is the preferred way

[@joeynoname7023]

Nice video. You all ways do good videos.

[@stalker323232]

if there would be an AUR for manjaro so it does not break every so often i would be so happy.

[@RobbieHatley]

True, Manjaro is not Arch, praise be to Vishnu & Laxmi. I installed plain Arch on a spare notebook PC as a test, and just getting it to the point where it would boot to a lo-res full-screen bash terminal (no GUI whatsoever) was a bloody nightmare. As for installing the latest KDE on it (which is what I had planned), my research appeared to show that _that_ would be an even _worse_ nightmare. So I sat _that_ computer aside for later experimentation, and I installed Manjaro-Mate on my main desktop PC for daily use. Installation was fast, easy, and trouble-free, and the OS (which I'm using to write this, btw) works with few troubles (and those few troubles I've been able to solve either with web searches or by asking on the Manjaro forum). So I'd recommend Manjaro for anyone with intermediate-or-better computer skills who wants an easy-to-install and easy-to-use OS, and Arch only for advanced computer geeks with _waaaaay_ too much time on their hands.

[@HShango]

I love manjaro, I've been using the OS on and off, now i'm back on it full time.

[@francisleiqueiroz1342]

You said it all, my friend. Just Arch is Arch in all your grace!

[@victoriap1561]

with the new script setting up arch is super easy it took me less than an hour. I was having problems with pop os and I decided to install arch with kde, it is pretty great and way more stable.

[@GeoNeilUK]

Pamac uses more apt like terminology in its CLI so it's valuable if you're coming to it from Ubuntu (or Debian) though I've found that its GUI is less suited when it comes to _updating_ Flatpaks. It'll install them but won't always update them. Also, to get Flatpak and Snap support on Pamac on EndeavourOS at least, you can't just fetch pamac-all from the AUR because it won't build and the package seems to be no longer maintained. You have to instead fetch pamac-aur and fiddle around with the build scripts to compile in Flatpak and Snap support which may be more like The Arch Way™ but is *WAY* less intuitive. I find Bauh to be a better GUI based updater for that at least as it will fetch Flatpak based updates that Pamac might miss, though Bauh has its own issues.

[@Pieteros21]

Manjaro vs endevour os ? Switching from fedora , once a while IT just won't boot . Other than that i love IT .

[@bertnijhof5413]

Manjaro or Arch, you can use the more complex and vulnerable solution or you can use Manjaro. I'm an Ubuntu user since 8.04 LTS, but my second choice with respect to reliability would be Manjaro XFCE. It is the most reliable rolling release I've tried and I use it now for more than 3 years.

[@stopspyingonme9210]

I’d rather spend half hour setting up my system correctly than have a random aur package break something because it’s expecting newer dependencies

[@Deathshack]

Yep I was a hardcore Ubuntu user and went to Manjaro XFCE because I like having rolling release, but having it more stable then pure arch. Manjaro XFCE is honestly one of the best distros and I've been using it for 4 years now and have no plan on changing!

[@sca255_loves_PCs]

alci is the project which provides pure arch with a calameres installer

[@louisfifteen]

After 6 years I never succeeded in installing a clean arch OS, so I use Manjaro and I'm happy with it.

[@AndrewErwin73]

Pacman doesn't know if you are using Manjaro or vanilla Arch. Also, I never once had a problem installing from AUR on Manjaro. Maybe things have changed over the years but when I used Manjaro, literally the only difference was its hardware detection thing (which did cause some problems at times).

[@plutorocks1]

Yesterday someone on Reddit issued this concern

[@PlanetLinuxChannel]

Honestly I’ve never used Manjaro as an “easy-to-install-Arch”. If I want that, then EndevourOS or Arco OS are better options providing nearly vanilla Arch. The appeal of Manjaro for me has always been that it provides a (relatively) stable experience that’s nicely set up out of the box, but provides the fast recent package releases like Arch does.

[@luki8806]

I use manjaro because it's not stuck with old packages, it's rolling so don't have to do big leaps. It's easy to use and I can say it runs for years without issues, at least for me. Arch is basically another dimension. If you want to learn the mechanics and everything about linux I'm proudly suggest to go with vanilla arch, but be ready for the journey, it's not gonna be easy, but if you manage to build up your own system, you will be much more wiser than before :)

[@lizardwizard4542]

Truth. Also I've done this for too long, that I'm tired of doing it :D what's the point anymore. Today is the day I'm considering Manjaro for the first time ever since I started on vanilla arch (as my first distro, btw perfect first timer distro).

[@myfavouritecolorisgreen]

once i put arch mirrorlist onto manjaro's becuase i was used to arch's mirrorlist thingy.... safe to say it didnt go well. another time pamac-gui broke on arch because of some update i dont exactly remember. from that day i have been away from manjaro and the tools that it makes. i install arch through endeavour and remove all the endeavour specific tools and repositories. :)

[@Appalling68]

I experimented with Manjaro over a year ago, installing it to it's own dedicated ssd on my multi-OS system. Tbh I ended up hating it as I ran into several issues with the system breaking after major kernel (or even sometimes just a package) updates. Because I have my own vanilla Arch (Cinnamon DE) and Linux Mint installations on the same machine as well, it was interesting to watch Manjaro just fail away while Arch and Mint just chugged away. IMHO if you want Arch, then do it right and just manually install following the Wiki. There are also fantastic "how to" Arch install videos out there, especially from KZbinr "EF Linux." I suppose you could also install Arch via EndeavorOS or the like, but then is it really Arch?

[@cameronbosch1213]

Yes, EndeavourOS *IS* Arch because it uses the same repos as Arch itself and just adds a few bonuses and a graphical user interface installer. I use it myself.

[@robotron1236]

Yes it is; I use both and they are exactly the same. I even use Pamac in my arch installation. Manjaro holds packages, big fu**ing deal, switch to the “unstable” branch then. 😂

[@JanWillemMoltzer]

How can you compare Debian to Ubuntu? What is your point. In my opinion every distro is different. It's what you prefer and choice is good.

[@TechHut]

Ubuntu is based on Debian just like Manjaro is based on Arch.

[@fabsca1970]

If you set the unstable channel you have all the latest stuff of Arch on Manjaro with a relatively simple workflow.......

[@sayochikun3288]

Average chill computer user can not differenciate between distros. There i said it. I've used all the recommended distros and DEs so far... most of them had enough gui to help me... and in all of the cases i broke the OS because i tried to do something i dont know in terminal or tried to install a theme in the wrong way. Usual users dont use the features that linux offers. All the proclaimed "noobs" that says "wel i tried this and it was amazing" are biased. Im currently using Arcolinux because it has pretty user friendly out of the box gui features like one click install DEs or themes (and AUR is very good). Most newcomers like myself arent being challanged by the Distros's itself. We struggle to fix simple mistakes and go along with the distro's way of configuration (mostly DE based problems)

[@lonercheki]

lts kernel, xfce fully using gui pamac :v yis im not using arch and im happy with that, i never needed to use timeshift or etc, thanks arch , you provide great base for manjaro :] thanks manjaro you done really good job with pamac gui and thunar preset what you done for out of box :] (my experience is onlyy for xfce version, before that i had bad experiences kde version of manjaro but on xfce version everythings is rock solid to me )

[@vendettamalize7209]

i love you you're my num1 go2 about arch and manjaro but right now im in mint because of my limited hardware im from PH btw

[@Saturn-OS]

I'm kinda picky with a lot of linux distros Arch or not and I just give up and stick with windows which annoys me lol plus I also have some installing issues and problems with some not connecting or graphical problem to my monitor.

[@arcstur]

AUR on Manjaro doesn't work well :( they could hold the updates just like the repos, but they don't

[@allenellisdewitt]

It IS Arch based, same as Ubuntu is Debian based. To deny that is to deny truth. However, just as Ubuntu is not Debian, Manjaro is not Arch.

[@BendyLemmy]

ROFL Actually, EOs would be the current choice for 'Arch with some extras'. However, Manjaro introduces more - there are more extras, and more 'stabilising' features. Despite the huge furore and political intrigues, I've had a perfectly stable Manjaro KDE desktop for 6 years now and don't have any pressing need to change. For example, I still have a stable 5.24 plasma desktop (awaiting the next - which is 5.24.6 update) whilst Reddit is flooded with issues caused with early 5.25 adoption.

[@Sluggernaut]

2:55 you wouldn't call Manjaro a beginner repo because it's arch based? Explain further, please

[@jward92]

Manjaro is for anyone who wants a distro that's easy to install and comes with all the utilities you need, but also has access to the AUR and therefore all the packages one would want.