Technics Debuts NEW SL-1200GR2 Turntable | Michael Fremer Reports...

[@jimmyhatz]

Still own and use the OG SL-1200 MK2. It is indestructible and still sounds great. Was fortunate to purchase a Jelco tonearm before they discontinued manufacturing. Technics + Jelco + Nagaoka = 👌

[@bstatmeister]

Which nagaoka?

[@jimmyhatz]

@@bstatmeister Started on the MP-200, recently upgraded to the MP-500. Still waiting on a few more components before I install and align.

[@bstatmeister]

@jimmyhatz awesome! Super curious of the difference between the 200 and 500. I know that the 500 has the micro line stylus, but wondering if it can still be as meaty and dynamic as the 200 while being even more resolving. Would love to hear what you think after you get it set up!

[@bearded_wolverine3503]

Yup, my 35 year old mk2 looks and runs like new. To me no other 1200 series matches its quality

[@AceTechHD]

I have a very early MK2 from August of 1979. Sounds incredible and works perfectly. The original MK2 tonearm is much better than people realize, provided the bearings are in good condition.

[@Aintry1]

Incidentally, the people obsessing about milling imperfections on the modern Technics decks should check out some of the demo videos of old 1200MkIIs sometime, you know, the turntables Technics made when I was in high school, when "everything was better and Technics exercised perfect quality control." 😆

[@dscrimager]

Using something like a Denon 103 can be a struggle to get enough head shell mass (or effective tonearm mass I guess) for proper control of the low compliance cartridge. In my experience, I added head shell weight and the supplied extra counter weight to balance or the sound suffered. I bought the DL-103 not realizing how low compliance it is and it sounded awful (noticeably worse than a N97xE or a AT-VM95ML) until I educated myself and applied the tuning above (yes, with appropriate MC Pre). Thought it was the stylus differences but no, for me it was setup. Also, it's worth mentioning something most reviewers tend to miss - the supplied head shell has a set screw which allows for azimuth adjustment. Mine was noticeably off out of the box and the micro-line cartridge sounded very unbalanced until I dialed in the azimuth. I'm not at all a golden ear but I do actually hear the differences with proper set up given all the cartridge and geometry fussing about for setup. I've since bought a bunch of head shells to experiment and realized after the fact most of the cheap ones do not allow azimuth changes - I encourage buying ones which do allow for azimuth adjustment. Absolutely love the TT. Mine did not come with a 3mm spacer as mentioned by other reviewers, so again - the 103 needs one. The tonearm on the black model is silver not black as reported here - doesn't bother me - maybe just a variation on later shipping models since I bought mine roughly Feb 2024. Copied most of this from other videos since I see this info often missing.

[@tonyhodgkinson4586]

You would really need to hear the new against the old GR to really hear a difference.

[@idianmansjur2673]

Can we mount the DSAudio Optical cartridge in this model ?

[@rwlewko]

I'd love to see Technics add XLR connectors to the 1200gr! The other thing I would like to see is pricing without a tonearm. I heard a turntable with an originlive encounter tonearm and since then I want a turntable with that tonearm, not only because it sounds fantastic but also because it looks gorgeous.

[@sydtech]

My big question: will Technics introduce a G2 model with the Delta Sigma motor improvements?

[@austenseierstad-fk4et]

I’ve been interested in this exact idea. If a G2 came out it would likely have this delta sigma technology from the GR2 and therefore an external power supply would not be an upgrade. And maybe some other tweaks.

[@JumbleTasteSpinning]

The MK1, MK2, MK4, MK6 & GR = hi-fi turntables. The MK3, MK5 & MK7 = dj featured turntables. Very simple.

[@Josianne-Music]

Is GR2 Hi-fi turntable too?

[@F82F8]

How is that true with the MK5? It has the titanium tonearm that was a huge upgrade. What makes the MK6 more audiophile?

[@NiiOnLood]

​@@F82F8, wasn't mk5 supplied with slipmat? Specifically for DJing... And it has a slot for accommodating a backup headshell.

[@TheMrgonzalo05]

Does anyone know if a new GS is coming?

[@analoguecity3454]

Like I said on "tracking angle" channel, I don't know what people have against S-shaped tonearms , there sexy and sound sweet!😊

[@benmiller388]

Knock knock knock/ Ring ring ring. See no ringing. True hifi.

[@borlibaer]

What I wished, but I did not expected was if DENON will enter the TT race. Well, they did. Will be a hard match against Technics. 😉

[@billthestinker]

Good upload

[@arupnath3477]

Sir, is it new Malaysia made products ?

[@roetsj]

yes

[@johnyjoseparampi431]

Fantastic 👍👍👍

[@jockmattock9239]

What's that song playing at the beginning?

[@ChatGPT1111]

Freebird

[@jm_1214]

How about the plastic gimble

[@r423fplip]

It's very good. They tested it, and it is a very big improvement.

[@iangillon6981]

I have Four .12,10`s. Mk 2`s. I love them. First two, iv had over 27 Years. :)

[@Lee-yt1de]

Are they bringing out a g2? I wanna buy a turntable but dont wanna buy the g and find out the g2 is coming out

[@musamusashi]

So after decades of mocking it as the DJ turntable, now is cool for audiophile to own one? 😂

[@54tristin]

Yep

[@F1fletch]

I sure wish they made a version of this exact table without the dj furniture. The lower end 1500C is NOT this same table. I really hope Technics creates something for the audiophiles who have no use for DJ options (and without spending 20k). We should have an option at $2500 that gives us the premium parts without the lights/action/furniture…..just saying. PLEASE TECHNICS ❤

[@djsubculture2111]

The SL series (except the MK7) were all Hi-fi decks.

[@cjay2]

Who was mocking it, you?

[@TemujinScott80]

@@cengebyou sound angry… all this over audio equipment…

[@dazza912]

Can someone help me. Ive currently got 2 Project turntables. Both entry level i know but they do the job in my size of a house. Ive paired them Onkyo 9010a amp and a Marantz 5005 amp playing throuh Tannoy eclipse 3 florrstanders. Reason i got the extra projevt and amp is i bought a job lot and they were in there. Anyway. Im at the stage now to level up. Im willing to buy this turnatble but need recommendations for a better amp and maybe speakers. Ill sell the rest to put towards levelling up..Thanks all.

[@zogzog1063]

The Onkyo is a stonking good amp but with a proviso - low power means it has to be partnered with sensitive speakers. Tannoys are therefore a good match. Maybe Triangle (French). My gut reaction is focus on the speakers. Just get the best high sensitivity speakers you can afford.

[@SurnaturalM]

Audiophiles laughed at that table for years because "it's only a dj table " but now it's ok to for them to have one, probably because they sell for multiple thousands $. That's why I stay away from the audiophile ecosystem.

[@bareknuckles2u]

I thought this would be a review by Fremer, not an 18 minute advertisement by a Technics sales rep. Bogus!

[@Trojan0304]

Must have automatic so my 1600mk2 stays

[@paulrogers7067]

I would suggest an ear test. After that have a listen to the rega p8 . Not even close

[@wolfman007zz]

LOL!! My 1977 Hitachi Unitorque is a coreless, cogless, brushless, slotless DD!! Only took Technics another 60 YEARS to build one!!! 😂😂

[@analoguecity3454]

Better late than never I guess 😅

[@wolfman007zz]

@@analoguecity3454 Not exactly leading edge technology! Hell, I have a digital power supply for my cell phone and bug zapper!!😂🤣😅

[@TemujinScott80]

Folks who own older turntables sometimes sound so angry in the comments.

[@wolfman007zz]

@@TemujinScott80 You mistake righteous scoffing for anger. Technics selling old tech as “new and improved”, when they are actually taking 45 years to catch up!

[@briansilcox5720]

Green is good, virtue signaling is irritating.

[@iiiiii1449]

Why are you raising the price $400 USD for tiny inaudible changes. It's truly obnoxious. You could buy a whole second turntable that would sound about 90% as good as the SL1210GR2 for the difference alone.

[@r423fplip]

Buy the one you want.

[@SurnaturalM]

The cartridge is the most important part. I have a older SL-1200 MK2 and à SL-D2 for my bedroom, both sound the same with the same cartridge. But the SL-D2 is way cheaper being a plastic, but direct drive turntable.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

Nice but where's the rant about Technics being such complete idiots for discontinuing the SL-1200mkII in the first place (let alone ever discontinuing the SP-10), especially at a time when manufacturers breaking the 100 grand barrier started to pop up everywhere?

[@roymoxley2587]

They make the mk7 They discontinued due to poor sales thanks to free digital download remember Napster So then it became relevant that people started understanding they don’t own the pure records so many started buying records again and then everyone wanted to play again

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

@@roymoxley2587 They discontinued it well after Napster was at its peak but there was still a lot online illegal music sharing at the time. The CD was reigning supreme and CD writers for PCs were abundant - which killed the tape decks. Back then SL1200mkIIs were selling for 350 GBP - I don't know whether this was because Richer Sounds in UK had bought a large portion of the remaining stock or just made a huge order but people rushed to grab them and they soon vanished. In my estimation, that was a really good price and given the demand it could have supported production, even if at a slight loss, for a good 10 years' more or so given that the SL1200 was practically selling itself.

[@helthuismartin]

NOT convincing this,,salesman,,Even Fremer has to help him..Batheway the MK7 version was,,crab,,.Even the Reloop was better.Why is this GR2 2.2 LBS lighter than than the old MK2 version??????

[@r423fplip]

Fremer, is so full of.

[@DenzoMusic]

" not a dj turntable "

[@meganoid_9001]

Time?

[@DenzoMusic]

​@@meganoid_9001Michael Fremer quote

[@meganoid_9001]

@@DenzoMusic Well, he cannot make a serious statement on something he does not know. He's not a DJ. I'd like to listen to a true DJ saying something about GR2. From YT DJ reviewers we know that GR is not suitable to DJiing becuase: 1) Feet are too soft (what hinders scratching), 2) Pitch's granularity is to rough (what prevents from long beat matching) - some say it's a questions of torque, whereas I think it's just speed inconsistency, say a higher WOW&Flutter than the stated 0.025% WRMS (JIS).

[@DenzoMusic]

@@meganoid_9001 the quote was from a reply he did to one of my comments on the GR when it first came out, During the whole backlash when Technics sales team were saying they "no longer making dj turn table". I have a pair of 1200 M3Ds and a GR and I can tell you that you can mix/DJ on it.

[@meganoid_9001]

@@DenzoMusic good to know, thanks. May I kindly ask you to measure WOW & Flutter of your GR, say using the Turntable Speed app (for Android and iOS). It would be interesting to compare with the figures I obtain on my MK2 and MK5. Thx

[@DuzBee]

Made is Malaysia - Yer, Nah, Yer…….. nah thanks.

[@r423fplip]

What's wrong with Malaysia ? Lovely people, and hard working.

[@TemujinScott80]

Oh please……no thanks….

[@NiiOnLood]

The Malaysian factory is owned by Panasonic, they don't make some generic stuff there. So I can't understand what could be wrong with it being made in Malaysia..

[@Kwippy]

I see they still haven't managed to improve speed control and stability, which is why the strobe is still needed.

[@r423fplip]

Nonsense.

[@deadandburied7626]

Maybe the GR3...

[@thomaslytle5519]

Yeah they did! Even Chewbacca can control it. Isn’t that him in the thumbnail pic? 😂

[@Darrylizer1]

The strobe is there for speed matching when adjusting the speed with the DJ adjustable control. If you don't use the DJ controls the strobe is rock steady. Speed control for direct drive turntables was figured out in the 70s as was the largely fake "cogging" problem.

[@NiiOnLood]

Strobe isn't strictly needed. SL-1500C and SL-100C are without strobe. And I'm sure they hold their speed rock stable and accurate.