Techno Collective Capitalism? A Chat with Jason and Leo

A Chat with Leo Saraceno and Jason Bosch

[@attackhelicoptercat]

Jason, i agree with you about the property issue.

[@hangingthief71]

im just getting started watching this, but i want to make sure you are aware of these articles in nano magazine Converging Nanotechnology and Digital Currencies Nanosensor and Digital Twin technologies come together at COP26 to help deliver a circular economy as part of the race to zero Highly advanced nanosensors and carbon offsets for rainforests could be the big post-COP26 gain. thank you jason, leo

[@hangingthief71]

44:00 that's why the big financial institutions will take the cybernetic protocols and find a way around the transparency, like using the Digital Asset Modeling Language(DAML) to implement smart contracts off-chain in a privacy preserving way, as we saw recently prototyped in a collaboration for green bonds organized by the BIS, project genesis 2.0.

[@errinbaccari7658]

Ecosystem Services Market Consortium-ESMC For anyone who doesn’t have the time to actively listen all at once.

[@stephanhartmann8754]

The first person who surrounded a piece of land with a fence and had the idea to say "This is mine" and who found people simple-minded enough to believe him, was the actual founder of bourgeois society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors would the human race have been spared if someone had had pulled out the stakes and called out to his fellow men: "Beware of believing the deceiver; you are lost. you are lost if you forget that the fruits belong to all, but the earth belongs to no one. but the earth belongs to no one". Jean-Jacques Rousseau: Discourse on Inequality (ed. Meier). UTB, 2008, P. 17

[@attackhelicoptercat]

Jason, in order for there to be a real market in the first place, each participant must be using their own property. (im not talking about anything to do with the legal construct of property) the participants in the market must be able to agree or disagree upon the value of the properties involved in each exchange. if people can fulfill these requirements, they will have a real market that is also a free market that is determined by agreement or disagreement of the participants. as it is and has been, there has been an illusion of markets and an illusion of a free market. if there is only one contributer or investor of property, then there is no market, only an illusion of a market. ill offer you my lense for how i understand the Federal Reserve to help understand what im saying. instead of looking at the Federal Reserve as a Bank or a Central bank, try understanding it as a Property Investment Corporation that enjoys a monopoly on the legal construct of all property through lending its property to borrowers who invest the Federal Reserves property into everything, this involves hypothication.

[@errinbaccari7658]

Carbon is the building block for life, I think applying one carbon atom at a time to a token is their building block for financial control in Web3. DNA also needs carbon. I have concerns with their heavy deceptive data. Data manipulation as an impact market?

[@pavspol]

It’s just crazy how literally anything can be impact and the game itself doesn’t have to make much sense so long as it makes sense to them.

[@PearlofLucy]

Thank you. How do we get out?? Is there any way to escape this matrix?

[@argusfest]

I'm not sure but I think it will involve outright rejecting most of this technology. I do know that we will not be able to get out of the maze without first studying it, which is what we are in the process of.

[@PearlofLucy]

@@argusfest Indeed. We must have knowledge which is why I so appreciate your work! Denial is not a good strategy.

[@eddief9254]

How are the people going to make money if mostly everyone is going to be on UBI

[@pavspol]

This zine by Eve from Alison’s Wrench in the gears site explains ‘the game’ beautifully: wrenchinthegears.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eve-Zine-2.0_compressed.pdf

[@systems_logic]

Tokenized Hurricanes - love it! 😂

[@attackhelicoptercat]

yes Jason and Leo, you just put your finger right upon some very important details. the approach being used mixes and blends ideas and concepts from capitalism and socialism together. everytime i hear Alison respond to anything related to any of this having to do with socialism or communism, she dismisses it outright and says its all capitalism, and the reasons that she gives arent incorrect, its the dismissal which is incorrect. it requires a more nuanced comprehension than a black or white point of view can provide.

[@pavspol]

It’s the synthesis of capitalism and communism. It’s the worst from capitalism and the worst from communism. The third way. Communitarianism. The game. Rules of which are based on Agenda 21/2030 SDGs.