Techno & guitars: a technique you should know

[@OscarUnderdog]

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[@yvesmauricehellmann]

What you might looking for is „Monolink“. Great taste in terms of combining guitar and „natural sounds“ with electronic and techno music. Have a good one

[@OscarUnderdog]

Monolink and System 7 are coming up in several comments, am curious to have a listen!

[@haraldbackfisch1981]

@@OscarUnderdog Also check out Darkside if you liked the two. I think these might not only "prove you wrong" but might also change your taste in techno a little - at least it did for me. Would love to hear what you thought about Monolink in particular, might not be punk enough for u tho :)

[@huiyawu886]

And yes, please! We need that tutorial about techno rumbles with guitar amps sooo much!! :)

[@etricflame1716]

I very much want that video that dives into making rumbles using the guitar amp, that would be quite nice.

[@oscartorres6630]

Agreed

[@Italliving]

he got one with rumble already, you just add the AMP and done ;-)

[@Sanny.V]

Nice step up in video and montage techniques. Your skills are leveling, and as always the content is high in quality. Keep up the good work!

[@zolibxl]

Oscar you challenged me: I'm a guitar guy, new to electronica, and I'm determined to change your mind on guitar in techno. Not with solos or anything, but with textures. The stuff you did with the harp sounds recently was great. Guitar can be used in that way too. I mean to prove it! 😁

[@partirparlesarmoires]

Electric guitar can fit very well with electronic sounds. For instance, in a more electronica than techno area there are musics by Trentemøller like "Never fade" or "November" featuring post-punk guitar and bass. And there are guitarists who play trance music on guitar, with the help of a delay, I always find it impressive... Moreover the guitar nowadays has evolved a lot, there are so many weird effect pedals that electric guitar is now almost like another analog synth actually. I also think that ambient guitar textures could be great in an ambient techno or dub techno environment.

[@timetravelvictim]

Listen to Internal Fault by Voicecoil. He adds guitars to his sound and it's quite good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJPKooaYrZ2qm68 My sound is very similar.

[@sainerd.5982]

Again an excellent tipp - love this show! Friends of mine, the founder of Austrias oldest techno label did this (using guitar amps for techno) in early 90s. We all came from rockbands, so what did we have? Stompboxes, amps, mics, maybe a synth and cheap drummaschines, and of cause a lot of broken gear. As Florian from "Bad Gear" sad: "True Enlightment comes from using bad gear." ~

[@73Fluxx1]

Not strictly techno, but Depeche Mode have incorporated the guitar in a very effective way throughout their career.

[@brucemillar]

I agree. They have managed to write some fine music whilst integrating guitars and staying true to their keyboard/electronic sound.

[@cajademusicamrg]

I think in Ramstein as an EDM band as well

[@danieljamesoconnor6800]

Hi Oscar, I'm Daniel and if I recall correctly, the english Techno- and Ambient Duo System 7 incorporated quite a bit of cool guitar stuff into their music. Back in the day at least... Check 'em out. Best regards and very cool channel !!! Peace out from Hamburg ✌

[@nathansteward-brown5051]

System 7 - Live Transmissions, great use of dotted 8th delays

[@pklied]

Thanks for reminding me!

[@mistercheetah9717]

Silent Servant, Regis, Broken English Club, Phase Fatale have all used guitars, pedals and amps/preamps in their music to great effects, but really a lot of Post Punk, Industrial, Noise and Synth Pop have incorporated guitars and guitar based equipment in their work for decdes... The amp is one of many examples.

[@jacctus7383]

I just gotta say you're the best at teaching I've ever seen. Your explanations are brilliant and so easy to understand. I bought your course and loved it, can't wait for the second one! Thanks for all your hard work mate.

[@OscarUnderdog]

🙏🏻❤️ love reading this, thank you!!!

[@unhaste-fm]

Steve Hillage will prove you wrong! His album with Evan Marc called Dreamtime Submersible has some proper use of guitar. Also as part of System 7 it has been incorporated in some tracks to good extent.

[@ibogantess]

System 7 -positive noise is great song with lots of guitar don't know if you can call it techno though

[@OscarUnderdog]

Monolink and System 7 are coming up in several comments, am curious to have a listen!

[@SaundiHemmo]

Yeah, I want video how to make rumble with guitar amplifier!

[@AcidCortex1]

Jam and Spoon - Right in the Night and Follow Me have some really nice guitars. On the more "punk" side, aggressive guitars are sprinkled through out Industrial Strength's catalog.

[@justinsaunders1459]

Looking forward to Foundations 2 - keep rocking Oscar!

[@ricardojmestre]

Same! The industrial techno one was a hell of a ride, loved it!

[@rnormgeek]

Very cool video ! So to come back to the discussion about techno and guitars, just wanted to say that LCD Soundsystem, although not being at all techno, really nails their electronic and guitars composition. It's not as heavy as techno but man they pack a huge punch in live

[@tashfix]

"Small Alarms" by Guy J is my favourite example of guitar that just works in an electronic track.

[@brucemillar]

Great , handy technique. I will definitely be giving this a go. Thanks once again for another fantastic and fun video Oscar. You guys are top shelf! 👍

[@stuartleighton]

Foundation level 2... very interested in that for sure.

[@Daibutsumusic]

Hell yeah dude! Foundations - LEVEL 2, and the Rumbles with Guitar Amps!!

[@AuggyM]

It’s one example, but Indira Paganotto’s ‘Jambo’ stole my heart and ears when I first heard it! Flamenco and techno💯 or as she describes her own productions as psy-techno Looking forward to FEM 2! I definitely want to go to the next level and beyond🙌🏼

[@geomarko4161]

thanks for the video! best example that comes to mind is “i need you - regal”

[@Musikkeller-Innsider]

That's the reason I put some small form guitar amplifiers in my mobile rig... Thanks for the video!

[@e.b.1279]

This is a really great video - thank you! I've been a subscriber for approx 6-7 months, and I really do think that you have great material. However, your strongest, clearly defined unique assets are passion, creativity, and being a GREAT communicator. Thanks for inspiring me!!

[@OscarUnderdog]

☺️❤️ thanks!

[@OscarUnderdog]

☺️❤️ thanks!

[@irradix213]

For my hardware project i knew which overdrive and distortion pedals i needed to collect again

[@samizdatchik]

on your question: ricardo villalobos’s waiworinao (off his alcachofa album) is technically a minimal techno track with guitars

[@larryking6259]

Thank you for sharing this 👍 Seems obvious, but i have been such unaware about that 😅

[@ionianechoes]

It's not really about guitar amps but about distortion, saturation, overdrive etc. All this processes will create mid/high harmonic content out of lower frequencies.

[@toph_us]

Yess do another rumble video with guitar amps 🔥🔥

[@timetravelvictim]

Dude, I totally LOL'd at 2:24. There are some futurepop bands such as Voicecoil who add guitars to their sound. I agree that too much will take away from the beat.

[@maxigotz9906]

I do agree on the notion, that Techno and Guitar don't mix well in general. You could check out Monolink though, he does pretty cool melodic techno with acoustic guitar. Great video as always, have great day.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Monolink and System 7 are coming up in several comments, am curious to have a listen!

[@joni.sirvio8867]

or you can do like surgeon did in Surgeon - Krautrock song and trash guitar into doom so its unwanted realness does not exist anymore

[@galaxy_brain]

@@OscarUnderdog Kerala Dust is another group that finds a really happy medium with the techno and guitar sound (for me!)

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

I'm showing my age here, but a old technique I've used for guitar I call the Shamen Trick. Connect the aux audio in/output (of any synth with a sequencer and aux in) into the Fx loop of a guitar processor then clock the synth to your DAW. Sustained, distorted chords tend to sound the best.

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

​@Pete Testube Yeah, I think I must've written this comment when I was half asleep. Basically, you plug a distorted guitar into the Aux Audio In of your synth, then use the synths onboard step sequencer (that's clocked to your DAW) as an audio gate. This technique was heavily used by bands like The Shamen (Move Any Mountain main riff) and System 7. I used to use an old Korg EA-1.

[@gergelybagdi]

WhoMadeWho, Weval, Bob Moses, Monolink, DARKSIDE

[@synthphilosophy]

This is such a good tip to try out. Thanks a lot for sharing! Much

[@bmt_techno]

using amp distortion on kick rumbles would be awesome, i'd love to see that. great video!

[@Zorrr]

Listen to 6ejou, industrial hard techno / hardcore have been doing it for a few years now

[@bmt_techno]

@@Zorrr yea thats why I asked I wanna know how he does it 😂🙌

[@Zorrr]

@@bmt_techno It's fairly easy but it really starts with a good kick sample, use the same kick sample low pass it / band pass the low frequencies, add a reverb with short decay (100% wet, no dry signal), add your AMP of choice (maybe add distortion as well) low pass again and cut out sub frequencies to remove mud, then sidechain it to the kick (either by panning or by volume, your choice). Same goes for the mid-range/high-end rumble you usually hear but instead do a low cut, add a reverb again with 100% wet no dry, add your amp and maybe some distortion to get rid of the more wet sound, high pass and sidechain. That's all there is to it. Though make sure to remove low mid frequencies since adding those with the rumble tends to add a lot of mud in the mid-range.

[@bmt_techno]

@@Zorrr fantastic mate thanks very much - i'll be sure to try this soon! I do already have a lot of industrial sounding kicks and rumble kicks from hard techno sample packs - would these be deemed a 'good kick sample' for specifically sound design? Or would a much less processed kick be suitable? I will experiment of course, but I'm just curious on your thoughts

[@Zorrr]

@@bmt_techno For sound design these more processed kicks are definitely a tad bit overkill, though you could just do a little less processing and or modify the sample in a way the agressive rumble you're looking for doesn't intervere with the original sample or take away from the kick (for example, you could shorten the kick so u only have the punch of it, and add a rumble to it via processing yourself) I prefer to work with less processed punchy kicks which I then layer with the rumbles and one or maybe more "punch" layers where I take the same kick sample (or different ones) high-pass them and distort them to add more punch in the mid-range to them. In the end it's all up to your own ears to decide what you like though- there's no one way to do this "right". Don't forget music is an art-form along the way. People learning new methods to produce tend to overlook the artistic part of making music and end up making stuff they barely enjoy themselves simply because they don't allow themselves the creative freedom to experiment

[@Italliving]

You need Izotope to simulate All kind of Speaker systems so you have a balanced Bass/kick over all frequencies as most studio's do not have the possibility to have multiple speaker systems , And many times monitor systems can lie also .... meaning including the room itself and all acoustical influences besides the speakers. But indeed AMP is powerful and can definitively help balancing this , And Top noch 40 Min Old 538 Views 👍🏻💪🏽

[@acidagogooo]

Crystal Geometry uses overdriven guitars in his music and it sounds great

[@magnoyotoff]

Best electronic music production channel on KZbin

[@Zorrr]

Rikther does this quite a lot as well (and really good) for example in Syndikat, Golosa

[@ВиталийАрзамасцев-ц9с]

Level 2 is very interesting! Will wait for it

[@riftaudio]

Another excellent video with some great tips, thanks! As for techno with guitars, not fully what you're after, but Phase Fatale often uses guitars and amps for background atmos / effects ;-)

[@SquierMarr]

Yeah I was thinking about this I loved seeing him show that in a video I saw

[@riftaudio]

@H Hope-Carter I'm guessing we might have seen the same video ;-) He seems to involve guitars a little more in some of his more recent pieces too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3a4ln2Ld7KMmZo

[@riftaudio]

The above PF track is actually quite reminiscent of the old Room 506 track, Drop Out, which also uses guitars kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZbdmIOnjsmAbs0

[@SquierMarr]

@@riftaudio wow yeah those are really good examples. He really went for the guitar on that one

[@Carbunk1e]

Infected Mushroom does, and Skazi. I do too in some of my techno songs (Torn Apart by Xaleph).

[@damoh_7062]

I need amps for rumbles tutorial, awesome content

[@paulgatt2950]

I’d argue that if you’re after almost any emotion a guitar amplifier and or effects can help you get there. I could see a synth being put through a clean Fender amp being delicate and intimate.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Agreed!

[@estateelite9284]

I always tend to use guitar amps very subtly. I think in most cases, a quality vintage distortion and saturation offers a lot more control.

[@tentsio]

Nice. I find interesting to experiment with reamp techniques on electronic music. I could do it (and have done it) in the box but I want to start experimenting with real speakers, microphones, pedals... and with real spaces. It maybe doesn´t make much difference, But it could be fun 🙂.

[@mrstumpyninja]

Diablo - The Grid (Devil Rides Out mix) :) Bangin tune.

[@dimitrisloukos700]

🥰🥰🥰probably the best channel to watch for anyone considering to becoming a producer your videos are pure gold😇😇😇

[@denisrushkovsky85]

amp distortion on kick rumbles! amp distortion on kick rumbles! amp distortion on kick rumbles! Grazie mille, Oscar!!😈😈

[@vicopujia]

Se habla mucho de técnica y tecnología pero est no deja de ser arte y como tal va mucho más allá. Gracias por tu vídeo!

[@SquierMarr]

I dunno about techno but in industrial like kmfdm or like new wave stuff yeah I think guitars in electronic music can work. And in house sometimes I guess I almost forgot about that. I can't even imagine a guitar in techno it feels like it would either be abstracted like how phase phatale uses it or it would instantly start sounding like industrial.

[@rickschuiling3490]

Any chance you'll be bundling the two course with a nice discount? I feel like I could learn from the level 2 because I'm a beginning intermidiate producer so to say. But I am beyond the beginner stage, but i feel there are some topics from the foundations course that could still be usefull. Would be nice if you bundled them for a special price.

[@hallocine]

Guitar Amps yeah, not guitars. Was curious about the topic of adding guitar to electronic music, specifically in techno music. But it's more about using guitar amp. It's kind of the same topic of using guitar pedals on synths.

[@conduit-seoir]

Looking forward to Foundations 2

[@jaimeramirez9107]

You need to check Justice. Specially Planisphere finale. This guys are gods

[@airfixx_8952]

Oscar giving off Honky Tonk Man vibes at the begining of the vid. 😄

[@OscarUnderdog]

😂 had to google that, thanks

[@pizzicarlos89]

Love the reference to push the eleven 😂

[@julesramaen6924]

youre a boss, love from france

[@samprock]

Guitar and electronic is a sweet spot for me, always!

[@victorgondry8797]

try to listen to "Floreos" by "Le Bard", its actually a live guitar on top of an acidcore kick bass :) cool video

[@felipebarreto3293]

Oscar, can you make a video about dark ambiences?

[@serpentgoddess625]

Not techno...but Nine Inch Nails uses guitar in a cool way ...I had already added Ableton amps to the rumble chain after your rumble tutorial to make them crush more lol but i'd like to hear how you do it, esp in relation to mids...it could be interesting to try sending the rumble to a new track, amp/delay/filter it to make midrange polyrhythms

[@easterislandhead9579]

Carl Craig’s album landcruising has some very tasty lead guitar on it - first track, Mind of a Machine. Not sure if it’s him or someone else playing though 🤔 oh and the second track 🎸

[@airfixx_8952]

Wicked album, but I distinctly remember at the time it came out it was critically panned for having trad. guitar work in it. :)

[@easterislandhead9579]

@@airfixx_8952 just goes to show music critics don’t know much!

[@airfixx_8952]

@@easterislandhead9579 - Oh indeed. I've always preferred to forge my own opinion on things. However, I can understand how some are put off by trad. sounds in Techno, IDM, DnB etc. as listeners are often seeking to explore previously unfamiliar 'territories' in sound....... A bit like some people's aversion to vocals; they 'ground' what what is otherwise anticipated to be an 'otherworldly' experience. As far as Landcruising goes; the tracks are no means spoiled for me, but I would enjoy them even more if Carl had maintained the synthy approach to solos that he used on tracks like Desire, At Les and the rest of his thoroughly under-rated 2nd album.

[@partirparlesarmoires]

Thanks for the tips ! There's a video on KZbin by Tony Tyson "Making a techno track with a guitar only" which is amazing !

[@huiyawu886]

Great vid Oscar, as always! Whats the name of those speakers that you use?

[@5T45H]

I was with a feeling you'll smash that guitar and record the foley to use as impact,fx,synths etc... The way you're holding it during the intro 😂🚭 Almost forgot yes will be nice to have a new tuto of rumble 2023 update with guitar amps.

[@piotrbukowski9566]

5:58 sounds like it was heavily phasing. Hmm like a comb filter or something.

[@w-hisky]

Hehe, you're a funny guy and give good tips, as always. 👌 Love to have subscribed! 😎

[@OscarUnderdog]

😁💛

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

Boombox has lots of guitar. Idk if I would classify as techno but it is electronica.

[@RexitHD]

pls make amp rumbloo vid

[@MarraHouser]

DJ Champion. You may know track "Keep On" from Californication series :)

[@ricardojmestre]

Rumbles with guitar amps? YES PLEASE :D

[@cajademusicamrg]

Bro, what about Du Hast! ? Love your content 👊🏼

[@josepe217]

How is possible obtain a good isolated room with an efficient acoustic treatment, if one of the wall is a giant window?

[@Luter05]

In the Hills - Mr. Mitch 😉 Or some Klangphonics 🔥

[@DielectricFailure]

Check out Mindless Faith. Not techno but damn good. Plus Chris is a humble guy.

[@Youtubbbev]

UVB uses his electric guitar with a screwdriver to make percussive sounds and baselines for industrial techno. It sounds great

[@kaja.celexa]

Oskar, what speakers you use? And good question if it possible to make good balanced mix without speakers, only using headphones (but not monitoring one but kinda like Pioneer HDJ? Soundid Reference plug-in is lifesaver in that kind situation?

[@Aesopos]

Hey Oscar,can you do a video about Techno Chord/Stab sound design? NOT DUB TECHNO plz. If you could use a 3rd party synth plugin(Sylenth,Serum,Vital) and not Ableton based synth would be nice.

[@MrJandirk29]

Coca & villa - la noche... Very cool house track with acoustic guitar, not techno though... But great video again thanks!

[@AndrewJilin]

Can not imagine my music without guitar ))))

[@semsmeb9745]

this video is not at all what i was expecting but its still a very good video. i thought it was about playing the guitar in techno tunes. listen to shpongle if you want to listen to organic instruments and electronic music working together :)

[@manslaughterinc.9135]

I need a routing to reproduce a guitar amp in VCV/Eurorack.

[@GreenhamGuitar]

I made Hardcore Techno and Frenchcore with my 'Gabber guitar', but whether it was "actually good" is up for debate 😂

[@MrSquuqs]

juno reactor get a nice guitary sound together some times ..

[@rickann]

Thanks for keeping sharing your knowledge. Have a listen to the track Mango from Sascha Funke, guitar sounds well there 😊

[@dand423]

What about Paul Van Dik on is Refletions album ?

[@facundofontela316]

the advice is good and useful, but there is also an objective reality and that is that it is impossible to sound good or have an honest and representative frequency response of what was originally done in bad speakers or small laptops or cheap cell phone headphones etc. and you have to know how to live with that and that it is impossible to make a mix where an 808 bass, for example, is suddenly heard in a speaker that only reproduces high and medium frequencies due to its poor quality.

[@LB-bf2vk]

Techo rumbles please

[@stefankatic1337]

Nice video, looking forward to FEM 2. Question, what plugin or device did you use to get that voice effect? Reminds me of Tekken 3 intro announcer guy

[@OscarUnderdog]

Also Guitar rig! Works well on vocals for epic megaphone type effects too

[@viogitz]

thanks

[@peterfuzz3887]

what price/size/model for your speakers ?

[@r2worksee]

Didn’t a lot of 90’s techno records have guitar samples? Fluke, Prodigy, etc. I guess they also weren’t so finicky when describing something as techno back then.

[@OscarUnderdog]

True!

[@ianmcgarvey3694]

Deadly channel 👍

[@RaquelFoster]

Everything goes back to guitar. Saturation is just what non-guitar people started using as a catch-all term for drive/overdrive/fuzz/distortion. The whole FX chain goes back to guitar. Jimi Hendrix was using fuzz and Univibe pedals in the late 1960s. Univibe is an early phaser. The first actual phaser pedals were made in 1971 by Tom Oberheim. That's Oberheim the synthesizer guy. A phaser is a resonant filter with an LFO. A wah pedal is a resonant filter where you control the cutoff with your foot. And what's a TB-303? It's just a cheap synthesizer trying to emulate a bass guitar. It was good because of the interesting stuff like slides, and because it had a good resonant filter on it, and because people put overdrive/distortion pedals on them. I don't think there's much techno with guitars in it. But a lot of techno has a really metal vibe. Cliff Burton was the original bass player for Metallica. He probably would've been into techno. He always had his bass going through a Morley fuzz/wah pedal and did really rhythmic dark stuff. But there's a lot of stuff on the more house-y side that has guitar samples. I was just listening to Flawless by Red Axes. It's certainly not just noodling around on a guitar like Jimmy Page. A lot of guitar stuff started getting produced in a more house-y sorta way in the 1980s, though. Think of New Sensation by INXS. That's a gutar riff, but you could replace the guitar with whatever. Need You Tonight is a track that's just a guitar and a TR-707. Anything with a 707 you could probably turn into techno, right? Some of that old '80s stuff is really interesting if you just look at the drum track. I was getting a sandwich last week and heard Crush On You by The Jets ... and I realized if you take away the ridiculous vocals it's actually pretty badass. But they really overdid the gated reverb thing in the early '80s.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Thanks for sharing this!!!

[@זיווייסברג]

Intrested i am a guitarist qnd i want to make tec guitare and tec strings

[@worldofgreenhell]

2:55 I like it this way too, but every once in a while police show up and ask me to turn it down.

[@arcanusdx5591]

Very nice introsong