Every Fast Charging Standard Explained

[@jayayebee]

USB-PD was a godsend for my charging needs. At this point, I can use the same charger for everything from my Pixel to my tablet to my Switch to my laptop. If only peripherals switched to USB-C already, allowing me toss my micro-USB cables, once and for all.

[@redfive02]

There are USB C female to USB micro B male adapters, not sure how good some of them are, or if it's even worth it, but could be better than carrying around loads of cables

[@oMega-sm1eg]

To correct a mistake in the video, Samsung Super Fast Charging is actually a variant of USB-PD, and it uses PD PPS 10V 4.5A to reach 45W. It's far, far from proprietary because it's a part of PD protocol. Any PD power adapter with PPS support can fast charge it, though it needs to support 5A output with an e-marker cable to reach the full 45W. My Baseus 100W and Sharge 90W can both activate full power SFC2.0 on my tab s7. While most PD chargers up to 30W can supply their full power to charge a Samsung device.

[@jayayebee]

@@redfive02 Those work great, but chargers with more than one USB-C port can be hard to come by. So, most of my chargers still have a USB-A slot, as well as USB-C. I'm looking forward to the eventual upgrades, though.

[@jhopkins1515]

Absolutely on point. why companies aren't making this the new standard is I really hope we see the day where 30w pb is Is the new standard kind of how 10W it is today

[@fabiospringer6328]

Wich charger are you using?

[@Alice.59]

short : it's a stupidly over-complicated non standard mess.

[@C.r.i.m.s.o.n]

This

[@radanju3]

This [2]

[@Alice.59]

@@C.r.i.m.s.o.n what ?

[@ventilate4267]

This [3]

[@dbzgamer72486]

oddly enough, it's becoming a lot more standardized than it used to be. For a while every manufacturer was trying to come up with their own fast charging methods, but through it all Qualcomm QuickCharge and PowerDelivery have become so widely supported that they'll work with pretty much any modern device. It's even part of QuickCharge and USB-PD's standards to support each other, so a PD device can accept a QuickCharge charger and still find a common charging profile, even if it might not be the absolute fastest the device could support.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

QuickCharge is also pretty easy to implement. I built a dimmable bicycle light that uses it for dimming.

[@case_sensitive]

how did you do that? Was it with a breakout board or you made your own pcb and stuff?

[@harrytsang1501]

@@case_sensitive there are existing IC (integrated circuit) chips that handles the handshake and protocols. You can get modules of premade PCB or get the IC itself and design your own

[@MrFastFox666]

You can do the same with USB PD. Also, I have a battery charger that uses Qualcomm QC

[@oMega-sm1eg]

@@MrFastFox666 Yes, and there are soldering irons using PD. It's as easy as slapping on a chip and using the voltage.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

I made the entire thing myself. But there is an Arduino library for QuickCharge 3, so I only needed an Atmega chip and a few resistors. It's pretty easy. And there are also a bunch of pre-made circuits you can get.

[@melvinwarmpf1264]

What about Xiaomi's 120W charging or HUAWEI's SuperCharge with up to 100W?

[@bygoneegowaitingremoval]

nop, they are always treated by LTT like some obscure Chinese brand, but they talk about LG, Motorola and Sony, as if people still own those. It is been years since I have seen somebody actually using a phone from one of this brands.

[@finnjacobs]

@@bygoneegowaitingremoval yeah, I'm a bit let down by this video. They also got some things wrong with the warp charge section of this video

[@zerokun2655]

I had to to the research myself for Poco, and they use Qualcomm QuickCharge, with my phone, the poco x3 pro, using QuickCharge 3 Idk about those but they might ve quickcharge as well since poco and xiaomi are very close.. No clue about Huawei tho

[@melvinwarmpf1264]

@@zerokun2655 For 120W they are definitely using their own tech. HUAWEI uses 6A cables, so it's also not possible that they just adopted another technology.

[@ali99_82]

@@bygoneegowaitingremoval i dislike when politics get into videos, its probably because of that

[@samtherat6]

Y’all missed the fastest charging method supported by all phones, just grabbing the live AC wires from your wall and sticking them in your phone for a sweet 1800W fast charging experience.

[@RadioactiveBlueberry]

Didn't work for me, looks like it overcharged

[@p1mrx]

Time to replace USB-C with J1772.

[@jaccurtis5789]

Cool it unlocked fireworks mode on my phone! Still hasn’t turned back on since though.

[@myselfshubhamrana]

You all are joking, but I seriously saw a man blowing up his phone when his charger went bad. He was too stupid to know about currents and AC/DC and thought the plug was unnecessarily large and companies just do it to fool us. He simply cut the charger part and put it directly into wall socket. And in an other instance, he tried checking LPG cylinder for leakage by lighting a match around it. Surprisingly for me, the man is still alive. I try my utmost to avoid him.

[@AuXXKeyz]

Ah yes the ol live wire method , i charged my phone to 600% in 2 minutes

[@Steamrick]

Linus forgot to mention that any USB-C charger you buy should include the PPS (Programmable Power Supply) optional standard for maximum compatibility with devices. All 'better' chargers do support it, but you never know unless you double-check. Also, most phones tend to be at least somewhat compatible with USB-C PD even if they don't support the maximum proprietary solution speed using it.

[@kazaakas]

Yes, importantly, PPS is optional for PD2.0, but mandatory on PD3.0 and higher. That's actually the only difference between PD2.0 and PD3.0. Because QC4+ is backward compatible with PD3.0, it also includes PPS

[@Steamrick]

@@kazaakas Good to know, thanks

[@Leanzazzy]

PPS comes with USB Power Delivery 3 and higher. Qualcomm already created INOV (Intelligent Negotiation of Voltage) for QC3 which basically uses 3.6V to 20V in increments of 20mV. PPS is basically PD playing catch-up.

[@buchanap]

The good news is that the in-store packaging for all of these increasingly proprietary chargers wont include any of this information!

[@danieljensen2626]

And better yet they put the chargers behind glass so you can't even really get a good look at the packaging before picking what to buy...

[@khhnator]

well of course they don't

[@Leanzazzy]

If they didn't you wouldn't buy it. That's why you have to look up everything online.

[@user-sn9od2cy4v]

Told about Motorola's chargers, but didn't talk about Xiaomi 120W chargers. *Every fast charging standard explained*

[@davidyang9902]

Yeah, I disliked the video for this very reason as well as it's lack of coverage on the voltage of different charge technologies and no mention of any wireless fast charging tech at all

[@TheSandsofFlowingTime]

I have a Xiaomi phone and the 120W chargers are amazing. They only sent me a 67W charger, but it's still great. Also, they talked about fast charging. Xiaomi calls their 120W stuff "hyper charging" and well, they aren't wrong. I can charge my phone from 20% up to 90% in about 10 minutes or so, and it's a very nice thing to have

[@JoHo_]

Yeah, it's pretty darn amazing to have if you're an intensive smartphone user like me

[@user-sn9od2cy4v]

@@TheSandsofFlowingTimebasically just another marketing naming for fast charging

[@someone12345]

@@davidyang9902 no need to dislike just ignore the video if you don't agree, don't use your fingers energy on disliking videos 😂😂

[@ritzyeow2323]

"If you're still rocking one of those collectibles". I felt that.

[@Nicontrast]

Rocking a vintage BlackBerry Passport here. USB C and PD so far away I can't even feel it.

[@MarcuStar745XD]

Same, Nokia fanboy over here

[@giuseppebistecca2733]

Yeah that fucking hurt :(

[@adityalaad14]

Same LG G8s here

[@vrqu]

LG V20 FTW

[@noahluppe]

when motorola wasn't on the list for Qualcomm i just thought "huh, too bad it's apparently not as noteworthy as LG" and when it was brought up as their own standard ", i would have bet it was turbo charging with a qualcomm adapter". but alright, they didn't just call it turbo charging but made their own derived standard, that's good to know.

[@Psychx_]

My old Moto Z Griffin works just fine with the 33W POCO charger from my new phone AND charges faster than with the 15W turbo charge power adapter it came with. So Motorola might call it differently, but ultimately it's still just plain ol' "Qualcomm Quick Charge".

[@noahluppe]

@@Psychx_ all Moto devices I and my family had worked fine with Qualcomm. And they probably extended the protocol for their phones, but keeping it compatible to plain QC chargers. That's why it is noted as its own category in this vide

[@TrigramThunder]

Turbo power is just their name for Quick Charge, I've had Moto G-series Powers for three generations now (Moto g7 power then g8 power then g9 Power) and every normal non motorola fast brick triggers turbopower. Even my Samsung adaptive fast charging brick triggers turbopower on my motorola phones

[@pikachu5647]

yes, motorola just renamed the qualcomm quickcharge which was the only fast charging protocol when turbo charge was released, now usb c - pd is the standard and most new devices will implement that since its royalty free.

[@Yuki2204]

From my experience in the last month with the motorola edge 20 pro 5g (Fuck why do names keep getting longer) It enables turbo power+ on any charger i've touched including generic power banks, It'll do 80% charge in about 40 minutes at 30W

[@Tomm014]

I thought Xiaomi was fastest with 120 watt turbo charger? Edit: I just realized everyone is pointing out that linus didn't include Xiaomi, Huawei etc, even tho the video title is *Every Fast Charging Standard Explained*

[@s.i.m.c.a]

it is! My mi 11 ultra can be charged fully in 20 minutes / 85 W charging

[@ali99_82]

Western politics are getting into tech videos... Sad

[@jr2904]

@@ali99_82 Eastern politics genociding people, sad.

[@ali99_82]

@@jr2904 what?

[@MrImOriginal]

@@ali99_82 Western people don't like China and I can't exactly blame them. I wouldn't chalk it up to "Western Politics" so much as the CCP being a horrifying modern day fourth Reich

[@Yakikitsu]

meanwhile Xiaomi with their 200watt cable and 120watt wireless charge: LMAO CUTE

[@GuyFromJupiter]

Wait WHAT?

[@awesomegb]

@@GuyFromJupiter they've started working on a 240w charger too and they give both the 120w charger and cable in the box for every one of their phones that supports it

[@cesarsf12]

@@GuyFromJupiter Next year it will be on the market but probably only in China

[@KeinNiemand]

@@awesomegb and of course non of their phones will support the new USB-PD 240W standard or probably no phone at all ever will becouse then they coudn't sell you their propritary charger

[@DanishARMA2]

I love to charge my mi 10 ultra i even got the car charger and it connects into my 100 solar panal it takes 15 to 20 minutes to charge it for free

[@someone12345]

lol, how funny he didn't talk about xiaomi's charging, Even though it's the fastest at a crazy 120wats, a 5000mah battery from 0 to 100 in 17min

[@sedrrkos]

that's because xiaomi "doesn't exist in US and Canada"

[@vffbgx616]

@@sedrrkos but his audience are from all over the world not only Canada and us.

[@sedrrkos]

@@vffbgx616 yeah, but maybe he didn't think of that, Americans often forget that other countries exist

[@mustafapx]

@@sedrrkos best thing i heard this week

[@bygoneegowaitingremoval]

@@sedrrkos Xioami becomes the third bigger phone company in sales, but they choose to talk about Motorola, LG, and Sony as if they were real lol. hahaha, It's been years since I have seen somebody actually using a phone from those brands.

[@epicmap]

1:28 A modern USB-C cable required that should carry at least 60W 3:03 Just a regular 3A USB-C cable is fine. 3A x 20V = 60W. (20V is the highest USB PD voltage). So 60W USB-C cables are also 3 Amps.

[@cromefire_]

Actually, OnePlus' Dash/Warp Charging seems to be just VOOC/SuperVOOC under the hood, OPPO and OnePlus haven been collaborating on it for years now, so I'd expect them to pretty much always be on par, especially with their mostly merger now. I kinda hate that it's proprietary, but it's super fast.

[@Pedro7526]

Exactly. VOOC = Dash charge, Super VOOC = Warp charge. And they are not really cooperating, they are pretty much the same company.

[@-felt]

i couldve sworn my oppo reno 4 5g has super vooc 2.0, and ive had it for about 6months. i guess i could be wrong though, but i believe its 65w. aside from the crazy unreliability, stability, and software slowdowns, its one of the biggest reasons some of my friends changed from iphone 12 to whatever android they saw fit. apples stuck in the charging world of decades gone. one friend iss permanently stuck tethered to a power bank because of how poor the life is on his 12, and doesnt fancy being stuck next to a power point for 3 hours

[@Selas81]

I'm gonna look for at test where they try to mix and match OnePlus and OPPOs chargers/phones when I have the time.

[@cromefire_]

@@Selas81 OnePlus has some custom "extensions" to the protocol (according to Wikipedia), so it might not work

[@XGD5layer]

Oppo and OnePlus have always been branches of the same company I thought.

[@SanDex-V-Felix]

Missing huawei and xiaomi - 108w and 120w wireless , 200w wired charging 😂

[@ydfhlx5923]

And SuperVOOC is available outside China, just a 50W variant, and Realme uses 65W Super Dart

[@knownnuisance7512]

true lacking video

[@Psychx_]

I am looking forward to ruining the non-changable battery on new devices even faster.

[@pkjk1255]

Interesting given that the phone in the thumbnail is a mi mix 2 lol

[@TrigramThunder]

@@Psychx_ it's inevitable 🤷🏻‍♂️. until solid state batteries are perfected, every consumer device with a battery will essentially need replacement every 2 years. A chemical battery is by far the least sophisticated and most brute component on a modern high tech device, but sadly it's also extremely necessary

[@DWreck-gt7yj]

The San Diego Chargers moved to LA and have been known as the Los Angeles Chargers for almost 5 years. The Qualcomm Stadium had it's name changed to SDCCU Stadium about 5 years ago as well, not to mention that it's basically completely demolished anyway. But thanks for the blast from the past, Linus!

[@znb684]

Thank you for saying A-L-E-X-A instead of Alexa in the sponsor spot, gets me every time 😭

[@eccentricOrange]

What a way to make me rewind to go watch the spot!!

[@lak1796]

SuperVOOC is already available outside China, mainly Indonesia. Every Oppo here already shipped with SuperVOOC charger.

[@CraigyDizzle]

Yeah I'm in the UK and bought mine over a year ago just from Amazon UK..!

[@EpicBunty]

Ive had it in my realme phone for over 3 years and it's great.

[@RobiePAX]

3:57 - this part confuses me considering that I'm watching this video right now on Oppo Reno 4 Pro, which I bought and use in Ireland. And it fully supports SuperVOOC 2.0

[@Maxzor11]

Apparently were part of China now...

[@felipesineta]

I was going to say that, I own a Find X3 Lite and I'm pretty sure the charger that came with it does SuperVOOC. Not sure if it is 2.0, but boy, it's fast

[@prathmeshkapure810]

Works in india too Supervooc 50w I am using right now 🙃

[@felipesineta]

Coming back to confirm it is the 2.0

[@Zenheizer]

Yeah, I am watching with a Realme in Europe right next to my Super VOOC charger lol

[@mustafapx]

Meanwhile Xiaomi 120W charging : Hey linus am i a joke to you ?

[@mustafapx]

@chrisily Its not technically out yet so i can understand that but 120 been out for almost 2 years now even budget phones of Xiaomi will have it next year

[@rakhanreturns]

San Diego person here - Jack "Qualcomm" Murphy Stadium is almost completely torn down at this point. Just ICYMI.

[@thatguyalex2835]

I don't care much for sports, but I believe that they should retrofit the stadium, instead of destroy it, for other needs (eg. A park, multiple outdoor basketball courts, or any but destroying a 500 million dollar building). What a waste of infrastructure. :(

[@rakhanreturns]

@@thatguyalex2835 I mean, I'm guessing there's some kind of development plan in place, because tearing it down also costs money; even if not, SDSU has to maintain it if it's up. I'm not inclined to speculate when a public records request would tell the details.

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@rakhanreturns Yeah. Best for us to wait, until we get news of if new buildings will be built on the original site. :)

[@DeerJerky]

Nice to meet you, fellow San Diegan

[@rakhanreturns]

Good evening! Nice to meet you too!

[@fadhil_m3]

as an Indonesian (SEA) this video just looks hilarious and whoever wrote the script didn't bother to research even a bit - SuperVOOC has been officially released as early as January 2019 in my country (on OPPO R17 Pro) - Where is Xiaomi 120W HyperCharge?

[@andreadebiasi]

And the Realme Super Dart 65W?

[@ventilate4267]

tbf as north Americans, it's hard to keep up with the Chinese phone industry and its relevancy in other countries. Don't forget possible language barriers too.

[@fadhil_m3]

@@ventilate4267 then maybe they should not put "Every" in the title if they wouldn't even bother with the superlatives

[@inisipisTV]

@@fadhil_m3 - I'm there are countless charging systems that can do better by some unknown makers out there, but then again talking about them is just superfluous.

[@pnwmeditations]

I would love to see a video like this about wireless charging.

[@TheDragonfriday]

Lol

[@anl2191]

Same! Got an old Samsung wireless charging pad from my Galaxy S6.

[@charan1551]

What about Xiaomi phones?? They charge even faster at 120 watts

[@zexal4974]

thats what im saying, he didnt even talk about the xiaomi mi 11t pro or the new redmi note 11 pro plus

[@ikjadoon]

He didn’t even talk about USB-PD PPS, which all Samsung Galaxy flagships use now. Not to mention QC 5 is literally PPS…don’t think the writers took this episode seriously.

[@Vitosi4ek1]

@@zexal4974 From what I undestand, Xiaomi's 120W charging currently only works on one phone (11T Pro) and there's no way to get compatible chargers and cables separately yet since the standard is barely a month old. So the included charger and cable is all you've got for now. Not to mention that the "0-100% in 20 minutes" gimmick doesn't sound too useful. I can't think of a use case where I need my phone charged that quickly and I don't have 2 hours or so to charge it normally. My phone is normally connected to a PC (so, no fast charging of any kind) and the battery always fully replenishes overnight.

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

Because linus is in Canada. Xiomi brand isn't that mainstream there and this was probably made earlier before 120w became available in NA.

[@nicolai9595]

@@tavi7 They are not Americans though 🤫

[@jm.aurelio27]

OPPO's SuperVOOC implementation (50W and 65W) is so well optimized and so fast that it could charge for minutes, it has really saved my time using USB-C

[@KeinNiemand]

dosn't mean it's any better then USB-PD witch can do 60W or even up to 100W so in theory achiving the same speed with USB-PD would be possible ut then they can't sell more expensive chargers.

[@jm.aurelio27]

@@KeinNiemand The implementation to which OEM fast chargers has custom chips and GaN tech is to reduce heat and make the charging process at full speed, imo the USB-PD is really useful first if your phone supports that kind amount of watts and second you going to buy one of those cables, and lemme tell you, some of the USB-PD chargers are really expensive in some markets. But in my own terms, that those watts is either "possibly" get your phone at full speed or you can use that wattage with the chargers and let your all of devices charge at the same time.

[@Username-u5e]

3:30 Linus do note vooc dash warp and dart aren't different they're same by oppo and used by realme and OnePlus

[@someoneelse7629]

I got the OnePlus, and it was a gamechanger, not only does the battery last a full day even with plenty of use, but plugging it in for the 5 minute car ride (yes I have their car charger) actually makes a meaningful difference. Or if someone calls late at night when the phone is empty(I usually charge over night) and says, I'll pick you up in 15 minutes, get ready we'll go for some beers, I will have a charge that is sufficient for the night when I get out of the shower

[@nomiguda]

Great examples, I think I'm going to have to buy a quickcharge 4.0 car charger.

[@cignandrea]

Errata corrige: SuperVOOC 2.0 is available in Europe and probably in India too. OPPO now has a large portion of the market here in Italy in just a few years of commercialization.

[@cjw1795]

Have had SuperVOOC 2.0 for my OPPO since start of this year and im from the UK so it is available outside of China! Stupid fast charge almost to the point any faster wouldnt be that noticeable to me.

[@horaciogirod5684]

I've never been so early for a video, I love these videos. This is the kind of info that never was completely clear. Thanks!!

[@CyberPunkSimms]

the video came out 4 minutes ago, you commented that the info was really clear for a 5 minute video. quit like baiting and get out of here!

[@virtusetglorie]

@@CyberPunkSimms I think he meant in general, the videos he watches on this channel are usually, if not always; Clear and concise. No need to rip into him about it.

[@ak_hoops]

same here! And real talk!

[@horaciogirod5684]

@@CyberPunkSimms I understand what you say, I couldn't say that I thought of it while writing, but the fact that I commented is that even before I watch the video I already know that it is going to be satisfying and will answer my questions fully. You don't need to like my video, I hope you dislike it because otherwise I don't understand why are you coming up with this crap

[@virtusetglorie]

@@horaciogirod5684 I told him bro. It was unnecessary of him to give you a hard time for your comment like that.

[@Leanzazzy]

Quick Charge is by far the best universally because it was designed to be cable- and connection-independent. It is the only one that can work with ANY cable (you don't need a special certified cable(because all cables support 3A and QC3 was designed to never use more than 3A, instead they increased the voltage)) and it can work with USB-A (which is literally the oldest and most common port), Micro USB (if you still use it) and USB-C for newer devices whereas all the other standards only work with USB-C and require specialised cables (that support 5A).

[@maximaj6106]

Thank you Sir Linus. Finally a wholesome video on all the matter which was overdue. With so many companies and phones getting release every monthly cycles it is getting out of hands to keep tracks of good and bad chargers.

[@graemejohnson9025]

One thing Linus didn't mention.. using a fast charger reduces the longevity of your battery... My daily driver is a Note9, and I always use a old Samsung charger.. My back up phone is a S7, and it still can do 2 days on a charge.. as it has never been fast charged.. I also have a portable power bank with 5 solar panels.. it trickle charges my phones...

[@Raivo_K]

Fast charging in on itself does not reduce battery life. There are several factors that affect battery life more than just using fast charging: 1. Number of charge cycles. The more cycles the more battery degrades. Most batteries can handle hundreds or even thousands of cycles but eventually all degrade. 2. Temperature. If the temperature gets too high it will degrade the battery faster. 3. Try to keep charge levels between 10-90%. Meaning not letting to fully discharge and not charging to 100%. Im always baffled when people claim to use the slow ass 1A charger for battery longetivity. Completely neglecting these 3 points. Besides batteries have become more durable and fast charging that is not done every day, with normal temperatures and not from 0-100% is perfectly safe as far as battery is concerned. Samsung even added option to never charge above (i think it was) 80%. Further limiting damage.

[@TanayGhose]

Food for thought. If there are so many "standards", then none of them are standard

[@p1mrx]

USB-PD is the only one not tied to a specific company; vote with your wallet and there can be a standard.

[@finnjacobs]

Supervooc = warp charge, warp charge ≠ dash charge renamed. Warp charge 30 needs a cable, but any usb c cable can work with the new warp charge 65, and the warp 65 charger also supports usb pd up to 45 watts i believe

[@LiamMcBride]

Yes the OnePlus Warp Charge 65 does support USB PD i use it with my laptop at 45w

[@michaeljeacock]

well not any cable. I made that mistake. make sure it is at least 5 amp compatible, preferably 6 amp.

[@jasestu]

What about the best charger for battery life? I assume all this quick charging is just going to damage the not-user-replaceable thing faster?

[@leophelipot6579]

I've been searching for someone talking about this, but let's face it, apparently nobody cares. All I know is that faster charge usually means hotter battery, so less longevity. Phone batteries last no more than 2 years before slowly losing capacity with standard charging. For myself I'm using a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 for 3 years and a half now and I have lost a bit more than one third of the capacity of the battery, using only 5V 2A chargers. I don't even expect batteries with more than 50W of charge to last more than a year before degrading. What a waste.

[@GrantZaitchick]

I support the different quick charging options, even though it is not standardized, not for the charging speed, but a lot of them have fixed or are fixing over charging on cell phones. A lot of them have put in stopgaps where if the phone has a close to full battery, they purposely slow down the electricity sent to the phone.

[@noahw5887]

Dude this has been done for over a decade I think. They usually do regular charging till 80% and do a slow charge after that. Another way to combat a battery degrading is charging it only to 80% or less than 100%.

[@joelrodgers6891]

I hope everyone is doing well

[@joshbrookens5226]

I am

[@hubertnnn]

Something important to note is the limits of Li-ion batteries. Li-ion only allows charging up to 0.5C, in other words half of battery capacity per hour. Any faster than that and you are damaging the battery reducing its capacity over time or even risking fire hazard. Also most manufacturers suggest to avoid exceeding 0.3C or even 0.2C (5h for full charge) to ensure best battery life.

[@dodekaphilist]

That's actually a thing, most news outlets skipped in their reports on the new proposed EU legislation, which would dictate USB type C. But the law also includes a section about wired fast charging and every device (charger and end device) would need to support at least USB PD out of the box so that you don't need a proprietary charger to benefit from quicker charging speeds

[@Coolman13355]

Yeah that got lost in the shuffle and of course USB4 requires PD signaling. So that'll help too.

[@oMega-sm1eg]

To correct a mistake in the video, Samsung Super Fast Charging is actually a variant of USB-PD, and it uses PD PPS 10V 4.5A to reach 45W. It's far, far from proprietary because it's a part of PD protocol. Any PD power adapter with PPS support can fast charge it, though it needs to support 5A output with an e-marker cable to reach the full 45W. My Baseus 100W and Sharge 90W can both activate full power SFC2.0 on my tab s7. While most PD chargers up to 30W can supply their full power to charge a Samsung device.

[@dbzgamer72486]

Most PD3 PPS chargers don't support the 10V/4.5A profile. The "standard" 45W profile is 9V/5A, so it is somewhat proprietary in the sense that they chose a profile that most PD3 chargers wouldn't implement. It's compliant with the PD3 standard, but not well supported by charger manufacturers.

[@dbzgamer72486]

Your 100W/90W chargers probably support 10V profiles, but most chargers have 5V/9V/12V profiles and can't negotiate with Samsung's 10V profile.

[@oMega-sm1eg]

@@dbzgamer72486 No, that 10V 4.5A is the maximum PPS power, not a fixed profile. For example, my Ugreen 20W PD will charge it at 10V 2A because it supports 11V 2A of PPS. My Nubia Cube 30W will charge at 10V 3A because it supports up to 11V 3A. My Ravpower 65w charges it at 5v2a because it has no PPS despite having 5v/9v/12v/20v fixed range, other 65W PD charges it at 10V 3.25A because their PPS range is 5-20V 3.25A while the device can accept up to 10V. The two mentioned above support 5-20V 5A and 4.5A respectively, covering both voltage and current requirements, thus they delivered the full 45W.

[@oMega-sm1eg]

@@dbzgamer72486 PPS stands for Programmable Power Supply, meaning there's no fixed voltage and current at all. Both change dynamically to offload the conversion from the phone to the charger. The max capacity of chargers and phones is listed as PPS rating, if the charger's max voltage and current are both above the device's, it charges at max speed as the charger steps down to fit the phone and change its output on demand, at a step size of 0.2V.

[@krtirtho]

Xiaomi: *So other companies need to make proprietary solutions for fast charting yet those are limited to 75-80 Watts?*

[@bygoneegowaitingremoval]

limited to 45W with Motorala and Samsung, shame on them.

[@jr2904]

Don't support communist authoritarian governments

[@joshuaritchie3836]

@@bygoneegowaitingremoval They should be at 750V DC and 1,500amps instead of 75-80 Watts.

[@bygoneegowaitingremoval]

@@jr2904 true. But Apple and Samsung had been exposed using child labor. In today's world nobody is clean. Also Xiaomi aside, is never good if brands not improve their products because they have a big market share, so they don't need to be that competitive.

[@inisipisTV]

@@bygoneegowaitingremoval - You mean the same labor workforce that the CCP government approve of. Can you support your Child labor story with a real international organizition that document this and not some shady KZbin video or blogsite.

[@BogdanHurduzeu]

I’ve been using Chargie for a while now, and honestly, it’s been a game-changer for my phone’s battery. It stops my phone from staying at 100% all night, which I heard is pretty bad for battery health. Instead, it keeps the charge between 20-80%, and I’ve noticed my phone doesn’t get as hot while charging either. There’s also a slow-charging option if you prefer that, which is awesome for overnight charging. If you’re trying to make your battery last longer, I totally recommend giving Chargie a shot. It works with both iOS and Android too

[@aaronrdaniels]

Dang more was hoping for a breakdown of how each standard works on the technical end

[@dbzgamer72486]

I wonder why you didn't mention the difference between PD2 and PD3. For example, Samsung Galaxy devices refuse to accept 25W/45W charging unless it's PowerDelivery 3.0 with PPS, even though a PD2 charger technically supports the same voltage and amperage profiles.

[@j_a_a]

Very confusing that a tech outlet would just leave this out.

[@dankmeams1867]

It shocks me that some phones don't come with a charger as standard

[@Z3t487]

It shockes me that some people buy smartphones that don't come with a charger. Brainwashed much to pay more to have less.

[@williaamlarsson]

@@Z3t487 Yeah, my S21 didn't come with one and my old OnePlus charger would not charge my S21 so had to buy a new charger on the side anyway

[@GuyFromJupiter]

Warp Charge 65 really is the best. It is not only crazy fast, but it also keeps the phone relatively cool because most of the heat generating components of quick charging are located in the charger rather than the phone. That's why it requires a special cable. Also, OnePlus has Warp50 wireless, which is 50 watt wireless charging that sounds amazing, though sadly it requires a proprietary wireless charger from them that costs $70 and won't fast charge other devices.

[@lexsanderz]

Is Xiaomi a joke to you ? Did you just recommend people to keep the phone in charging overnight ?? YOU ? You're the one who taught me to NEVER charge it past 80% to save longevity!

[@JuraIbis]

At this point I've stopped worrying so much anymore, I used to be OCD charge freak but now its just "meh" just plug it in when it needs power and if power drains < 12 hours change your phone.

[@brietman_]

Every phone user should watch this. Especially the people who are nagging about missing chargers in the box.

[@savagecomanche]

I forget to plug my phone in at night and the warp charge on the oneplus 9 has been a godsend for me, just plugged in while I shower and get ready adlnd it's at 100 by the time I leave for work

[@TheCod3r]

A little misinformation with Samsung super fast charging. I use a uGreen 65w Charger and a 3rd party cable and I get super fast charging 2.0 on my S20 Ultra. It charges from 0 to 100 in 54 minutes, much faster than my original charger at 1hr 20 minutes

[@MyWasteOfTime]

Does your battery last longer if you charge slower?

[@christerwiberg1]

Yes, fast charging means more heat, heat kills the battery eventually. I still use my old 5 W apple charger and aim for about 80% (not that strict though, but charging while I work so I get it reasonable good.

[@Hetotope]

Yes, that's why Linus caps his wattage while charging

[@dbzgamer72486]

higher watts usually means more heat and the lithium polymer cells degrade faster if they get too warm. However, most batteries are designed to handle the heat generated from fast charging and still last at least a year or two. You could get more life out of your phone by not using fast charging, especially when plugging in your phone overnight, but since you're probably going upgrade to a new device long before your battery goes bad, it's not usually an issue.

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

I would love to know if this ultra quickcharging is going to damage the battery life, capacity or charging cycles. Whenever it comes up about how to use lithion batteries the charging rate is always something mentioned... and just because the device *supports* 50 amps at 12 volts it doesn't mean the battery *likes* it

[@lronmate]

Just bought a new phone, this video was made for me

[@Ak353-d7u]

0to48V - 0to20A auto PPS can cover all proprietary protocols supports

[@ak_hoops]

The ending is how I feel for EVERYONE who get's pressed about quick charging. but great video for real! some good information

[@semprocarnage]

Yeah I just tuck my phone every night to charge and I use it the next day, and by midnight it reaches the 15%mark again and repeat

[@ahmadshami5847]

well I don't know if anybody noticed that but when tapping the screen at 1:44 on the white background, there is a hidden message. "Yes you are seeing things". The dark fade of KZbin makes that message visible message.

[@aidanely]

Just ignore the Xiaomi 120w phone…that’s brilliant

[@jr2904]

It's commie Chinese bs, so yes

[@hiimdan662]

@@jr2904 Motorola was bought over Lenovo a Chinese company and yet they covered it bruhh

[@famoterlhh4993]

VOOC and SuperVOOC is available outside of China, we have the phones and the chargers that can do that in Singapore

[@reddcube]

Next video, Explaining all the weird wireless chargers. Qi, MagSafe, AirFuel. Rezence, Open Dots, and whatever the Apple watch uses.

[@bsperoz]

3:25 That's what I'm using now. It's freakin' amazing!

[@ammararal]

Laughing with 120 watt charging 😂😂

[@disco.jellyfish]

Xiaomis HyperCharge at 120W on my Phone may be proprietary unfortunately - but it is insanely quick. Even more insane that their new Redmi Note 12 Pro+ Discovery Edition offers mind bending 210W fast charging - almost maxing out, what USB-C currently has to offer (which are 240W).

[@VardhanShrivastava]

Oppo's SuperVOOC and all its iterations have been remarkably amazing! Love it. Oppo is always ahead in this space.

[@tams805]

The reason others haven't used the same techniques is because using them seriously degrades batteries. They'd be losing too much money covering warranties.

[@VardhanShrivastava]

@@tams805 nope 'degrading' batteries myth is very prevalent in the western media. After all the tech advancements and safety features built into SuperVOOC, Oppo is still able to provide reliable 800 charge cycles, which is the industry standard for even slow charging. I my self am using RealMe x2 pro with 5000 mah battery and a 50 watt SuperVOOC charger for almost 2 years now, the battery health is still well above 92-95%.

[@inisipisTV]

@@VardhanShrivastava - Nope. Battery degradation is real, specially if you push it to extreme fast charging daily. It's basic electrical engineering and molecular dynamics. For the simple reason all phone makere are still using the old Lithium-ion batteries that hardly ever change for decades. Perhap when new Graphene battery type that Samsung is working on might change things. You're lucky that your unit last two years. Most of the people I know degrade their battery in half by 1 to 2 years. My nephew's new Oppo didn't last 7 months before dying.

[@VardhanShrivastava]

@@inisipisTV where did I claim battery degradation isn't real? My point is that fast charging Oppo phones degrade as fast as or as slow as normal slow charging phones. And it's not just my phone, we have 3 different realme phones at home, all of which are going strong. I am still using mine.

[@MattiasDreger]

I believe there are multiple versions of USB PD.. make sure you get one that is USB PD 3.0 (includes USB PD PSS). Otherwise you may not get fast changing on never devices even if the wattage rating on the charger is the same!

[@mbjrakin2230]

Ahm!! What happend to xiaomi????!!😡😭

[@JETZcorp]

My 1Plus came with the warp charger and cable, and all I can say is DAMN. I like to use regular slow charging most of the time because it's better for the battery, but warp is a godsend if I'm low and need to leave in 10 minutes. Sometimes I'll plug it in just for a moment to keep it from dying, get distracted for a couple minutes and it'll be at 100%

[@islamdz-101]

you forgot xiaomi 120w

[@giga-chicken]

I rarely ever need to quick charge at all. I have a charging spot on my desk where my phone lives during the day and cable at my bedside where the phone lives at night. Honestly at this rate I actually wish there were a way to tell the charging circuitry to max out at a lower percentage to preserve the battery.

[@tevinkeith6231]

Still can't believe Xiaomi's hyper charge was forgotten 🥱

[@samuelhollerud9395]

Xiaomi being slept on

[@juanbrits3002]

Especially because their dual charge approach is more unique and currently does 120w

[@SoulDuckling126]

@@juanbrits3002 it's phone available on north America i guess, afaik xiaomi only expand to Europe and ngl i prefer same universal standard from USB

[@glass1098]

Because it fucks your battery, "Above 80% battery life after 400 charges" is low as fuck

[@tevinkeith6231]

@@glass1098 its 800 charge cycles

[@Dr.RichardBanks]

Love how apple is at the bottom end devices here 🤣💀

[@SnailSlugSlut]

Apple users simply buy a new device when they need to charge.

[@Dr.RichardBanks]

@@SnailSlugSlut 🤣💀

[@THEJOKEYJOKER]

could you please explain PD 3.0 and PPS ? do all PD 3.0 chargers or power banks include pps protocol ? and do devices have to support pps to benefit from it ?

[@Legitti]

OnePlus Warp65 charging is so good. 25mins from 0-100%

[@guenthersiu6002]

There's also Anker's PowerIQ, which seems to have some compatibility with PD and QC if you use version 3.

[@rhombo323]

Can confirm, PowerIQ works with Motorolla QC 3.0 which is based on the Qualcomm 3.0 standard. Used it to Turbocharge a Motorolla work phone.

[@Yashuop]

Claim your “here within an hour” ticket right here

[@Qacka]

ok

[@couchpotat]

here within 58 sec ticket over here

[@giffel979]

ok 2

[@dylanboatner2931]

Take the 2 min mark

[@Hansolo2048]

No. Why it matters?

[@LeoLeahy]

I wish you had gone more in depth into the compatibility between standards. For example, a Samsung phone that supports 45W charging using Samsung's Super Fast Charging, would said phone be able to charge at these 45W if using a 45W or greater standard USB-PD charger? Cause that's me. Phone came with 15W charger and I want to buy a 45W charger, but if I could get it to work with a third party charger i'd prefer, but I don't want to waste money trying (and there's no real way to verify the wattage(power) being delivered unless you compare chargers side by side).

[@LeoLeahy]

Also, Qualcomm QC 4 and up are compatible with PD. How so? Can a PD charger fast charge a QC phone, or is it the other way around? I have more questions now than I had before watching the video 😂😂😂

[@dbzgamer72486]

Samsung Super Fast Charging 2.0 (45W) uses a non-standard PD3 profile (10V/4.5W) that is not supported by most PowerDelivery chargers... it is technically compliant with PowerDelivery 3.0, but takes advantage of PPS to request a power profile that most chargers aren't able to process.

[@LeoLeahy]

@@dbzgamer72486 Thank you. I'll end up buying samsung's charger just to be safe then. I was considering buying a more powerful charger for future proofing

[@LeoLeahy]

But that would be no good if my phone can't get the full 45W it's capable of out of it

[@justchilling5126]

Boy, sure was easier when phones came with the right charger in the box, huh? Thanks for that, Apple.

[@david13579naranja]

And headsets... The next iPhone will have the screen sold separately from the phone...

[@marcusmyge]

OnePlus Dash/Warp Charge and OPPO VOOC is the same. Just need to know which version correlates to which. A OnePlus device will charge at it's full speed with a SuperVOOC charger. Also the 60W and higher versions do not need specific cables anymore. As those are C to C, the charger will decide whether it trusts the cord with the wattage and regulate down if necessary.

[@Globodyne]

Would be nice if Oneplus's own reps told their customers about that given that they don't even bother stocking their own charging cables for their devices in their store and haven't for like 6 months now.

[@marcusmyge]

@@Globodyne Licensing and branding. But chargers being out of stock is weird.

[@MrImOriginal]

It drives me nuts that some people don't just charge their phone when they go to bed. It won't damage your battery and it saves you from EVER panicking about a low battery. A friend of mine simply refuses to do this and I've never been able to get a straight answer as to why and he literally carries his charger around everywhere he goes. Simply astonishing

[@TabalugaDragon]

there were numerous researches that it's best for battery to charge it between 30 to 70%, or at least 20 to 80. There is your straight answer. This is the reason there is a capability to limit charge to 80 or even 60% on most laptops. This is also the reason why charge slows down on pretty much all batteries as they reach 90+% of their capacity. But if you think you're smarter than battery manufacturers by all means - keep being astonished by your friend's "stupidity". I have an 11 year old netbook which has a battery with still around 50-60% of its original capacity, simply because I kept it limited to 80% for most of the time.

[@Leanzazzy]

Most likely he was astounded by your stupidity at keeping your phone charging for 8 hours when most modern phones can charge completely in less than an hour. Charging overnight definitely ruins your battery. Look it up. Your phone doesn't "overcharge" but trickle charging for extended periods of time causes your phone to heat up and that definitely reduces the battery life. Add to that most people who leave their phones charging overnight also leave it charging with the cover on (usually silicon) which has terrible heat conductivity so damages the battery even more. Even worse is if they cover it with stuff and books. Worst are those fags who keep it charging under their pillows at night. You can literally charge your phone when you wake up and it should be fully charged before you are ready or as and when needed (which is the best way).

[@MrImOriginal]

@@Leanzazzy wow. So much ignorance, here we go. I have a oneplus 8 which is one of those phones that charges fully in approximately 30 minutes. It also doesn't charge for 8 hours when I plug in at night because of something magical called "Software". The phone knows when I'm getting up and stalls charging until then. (I'm pretty sure this is an industry standard now too) What are you basing "...most people charge their phone with the cover on..."? What cover? Wallet phone cases? Are those common? Please share your stats on that, I'll wait. Who the hell stacks books on their phones while charging it? I'd also love to see the stats on that and again, I'll wait. I keep my phones for three years and then upgrade because I like new tech. I've gone through several iphones and several android phones and I've never worried about my battery life. I've never worried about my phone dying in the middle of the day, and I've never worried about my phone having a diminished capacity that prevented me from getting through a day. You never even addressed my point. All that writing for what? To be wrong? Sucks to be you

[@MrImOriginal]

@@TabalugaDragon I am aware of everything you just said and none of it invalidates my point.... The protections you are referring to like charging between 30 to 70 percent, are built into most if not all phones by now. You can just plug it in and not worry about it. Oneplus phones specifically, when you plug it in at night, will not start charging until it gets close to when you would get up. Even when these protections weren't built in, I never damaged a battery or had noticeably diminished capacity. The damage is real but it's also kinda-sorta-not really negligible

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@MrImOriginal Yet ALL of my laptops batteries that didn't have this limitation(nor could I take them out because you're not meant to with modern laptops) died within 3-4 years. Like - died completely, not even lost their capacity. So these "protections" as you call them don't really work. And the latest laptop I bought I mostly limit to 60 or 70% and it still has 70% of its original capacity 4 years later. Look up about overcharging li-on batteries. And the best maximum voltage it should reach if you want to have a lot of charge cycles is 4.0v, 4.1 volts tops. I downloaded an app that shows my battery voltage and what do you know - my phone battery reaches 4.35 volts at 100%, which means a significant loss in longevity. Seriously, look it up. Again - capability to limit charge on laptops exists for a reason. Heck, my Samsung phone allows to limit the charge to 85% since an update that came out a year ago. But by all means - keep thinking it's all meaningless and what your friends are doing is pointless. Or look it up, do an actual research and try to understand why they're doing this.

[@Elvanion]

Would love to see an updated edition.

[@ldimitrov]

Can you do a followup for folding at home and what happened when people donated computing resources at the start of covid last year?

[@BryceLenz]

1:39 click on side of the video to get the controls to pop up and gray out the screen and the margins of the PCMag webpage say “Yes, you are seeing things.”

[@SupremeJudgeDredd]

Xiaomi is like the word's biggest phone manufacturer, so you should have mentioned that they have a handful of devices that charge up at 120w, the Mix 4 fully charges in just 15m. I have one.

[@neeN57240]

Please companies make this easier! I hate how I have to basically watch an explanation video 5 times before I can buy the right charger for most of my devices and then I'm still only talking about charging rather than things like data transfer and adapter options for your mobile devices through their usb c ports(I am referring to things like if there are specific lanes to carry specific video signals for example as well as what adapters support what kind of usb c connections which is pretty important imo for people like me who wanna be able to charge their device while using a wired keyboard and or mouse and 3.5 mm jack connected device connected using a dongle). With that said thank you lmg for providing us with the video I'm gonna watch 5 times before attempting to buy a new phone charger and cable👍

[@n7eet]

3:57 Oppo Supervooc 2.0 and oneplus WARP Charge 65 and Realme Superdart are the same protocol, and all have been outside of China for at least a few years now

[@ajkleipass]

Could we please have a follow-up video discussing the long and short-term pros and cons of charging from USB-A sockets built into power strips and wall outlets? These plus a charging cable from the drugstore or Walmart seem(ed) an ideal solution to damaged cords and needing power bricks in multiple rooms, home & office, backpack, purse, etc. But after watching this, with both different charging wattages and cables of differing capacities, it makes me seriously question the viability of power strip & outlet USB ports.

[@FrostArchon]

usb outlet ports are currently a bad choice because they only provide the basic 2.4 amps or ~12 watts of power which is ridiculously slow by today's standards. Wall chargers are the only real option for now.

[@NoyeemZaman]

Easter egg at 1:40 Pause the video You can find a hidden message there "Yes,you are seeing things "

[@nadavgolden]

it would be interesting to learn about what happens when I plug incompatible device to a charger, is there a default fallback?

[@dbzgamer72486]

USB standards requires some kind of fallback, at minimum 5V/500mA, but if your device at least supports old versions of QuickCharge or PowerDelivery, you can usually expect a minimum of 12W/15W charging.

[@fabianbahr]

Yes, they will then just run at normal USB voltage, so 5V

[@I_am_Allan]

The nice thing about OnePlus WARP! Is there is a setting, that it'll stop charging at 80%, until a time you set for it to finish. This allows you to have a fully charged phone, without it sitting at 100% for hours on end.

[@EpicBunty]

Why can't a smartphone just handle that by itself thats just ridiculous

[@I_am_Allan]

@@EpicBunty that's what the OnePlus phones do ...they stop the charging.

[@shehanmello2489]

Got the 15W standard adaptive Samsung fast charger and a 25W Super Fast charger. They're just deceiving the users, have noticed on multiple devices (Note20U and A52) that when super fast charged, the battery doesn't last as long when compared to the 15W charger.

[@joakoc.6235]

My opinion is that if you use more than a charge of battery a day to have to charge between sleep times you are using your phone too much, almost any phone nowadays have 6+ hours of continuous use battery life, if you need more than that go to the psychologe. So if you are a normal person you charge over night and you don't care about charging speed, also charging slow is better for the battery life span.

[@andersonfrans]

It is true to keep it simple, but implementation in reality a bit mess because cable is a big matter whether it the cable gauge size or jack compatibility.

[@MrHanichak2]

Wouldn't all this fast quick supercharging kill the battery a lot faster Linus? I just wonder if we keep on super topping our batteries off would not just destroy the batteries even faster so we need new devices sooner or would this be a area of replacing the battery a lot more and not worrying about the waterproof ceiling.

[@dbzgamer72486]

fast charging tends to produce more heat, which can reduce the effectiveness and lifespan of a battery, but most modern phones have thermal designs to keep the battery from getting too warm, even lowering the amount of power it draws to keep heat down, basically the charging equivalent of thermal throttling. Most manufacturers choose their max fast charging speed based on the battery's intended lifespan (about 2 years) so even if you use fast charging all the time, your device should last at least long enough until your next upgrade.

[@nihancj]

Fast charging in itself would not be any harm to your battery life that much. It produces more heat, so try not to use your phone much while it's charging. There are a lot of charging tips on the internet which can extent your battery life in the long run.. so maybe check em out.

[@KingdomCastle3]

I liked the ending of the video. I have noticed recently that KZbin videos don't plan their outros. Nice👍

[@ventilate4267]

I believe that USB-C to USB-C Cables that support 60-100w will work fine with 65W Warp Charge. USB-C to USB-A cables are special, though. Don't quote me on this though.

[@surajquantum4681]

Warp Charge cables are thicker and have extra pins.

[@UjjwalPatil20]

Actually all the BBK electronics sub brands uses same charging standards. You can use 65W charger from OnePlus to all supported phones from Oppo, realme, vivo and iqoo & vice versa.

[@myew]

I've got the Razer Phone 2 with QC4+, but since I read about the flaky USB-C port on it before buying, I just trickle charge it as needed between 20-80% with a wireless pad. I only need the fast charger very rarely, prefer to prolong the battery life as much as possible.

[@Bagas_Adrian]

in our country (not China) we enjoy 65 Watt Super Vooc.. charge your phone from 20% to 100% in less than 40 minutes. It's totally safe, fast and cooler than my other phone which supports my QC&PD. My battery capacity 5000mAh

[@MeAmMelonLord]

Fast charging is a horrible thing that everyone loves too much. In exchange for that convenience you're giving up long term battery health, and with how difficult companies are making it to repair phones and replace batteries, fast charging kind of comes off as a great way to get the consumer to just buy a new phone well before it should be necessary

[@PeterBuvik]

the wall adaptors doesn’t actually do anything other than convert deliver power to the charging IC inside the devices