When Is Wi-Fi NOT The Answer? - Zigbee and Z-Wave

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[@sohampramanik5790]

Next Techquikie Topic: What happened to Techlinked timestamps?

[@LyricsFred]

The replaced the timestamps in the comments, now they are in the timeline, it divides the video in sections.

[@aadisahni]

@@LyricsFred but that doesn't exist anymore. They don't actually provide the segment in the videos. The playbar has nothing

[@sohampramanik5790]

@@dolfies Isn't that obvious to them that we skip their segways in all of their videos

[@xyzen9673]

@@aadisahni have you tried updating your app?

[@romangiertych5198]

@@dolfies There's an excellent extension called SponsorBlock for Chrome and Firefox that skips them automatically, using user-submitted database, which is pretty extensive and covers most LTT videos

[@habibi_py]

"When is Wi-Fi NOT the answer?" Playing Super Smash Bros. Ultimate online

[@hassanbeydoun2460]

Lmao I understand the pain. Although I played Super Smash Bros Brawl for Wii, my router was upstairs but my Wii was downstairs😅 lagged quite a bit lol

[@PrayTellGaming]

Hahaha this hurts my soul

[@rabbi4skin666]

or playing any competitive games

[@ac.creations]

Playing literally any game sensitive to latency or latency variance.

[@bobbyflay4104]

ACTUALLY TRUEEE

[@tubastud06]

Literally everyone who commented something about Ethernet completely missed the point of this video.

[@anirudhpuranik5222]

Yup. That's what I was thinking. The video is about home automation solution. You don't want your house to be filled with dangling "ethernet" cables.

[@aluandcache7336]

Exactly.. Their brain need to be grown

[@nootics]

That's the result of intentionally vague titles, because most people think of either wifi or ethernet. Also smart home stuff besides adjustable light is stupid

[@deoxal7947]

@@anirudhpuranik5222 I mean if they're in the walls then it's okay

[@aluandcache7336]

@@nootics Nothing wrong with the title.. When WiFi isn't the answer means when wifi isn't recommend or needed.. Where the ethernet come from? Lol.. And those stuffs don't come with ethernet mostly for sure..

[@TeckyRohitRhT]

Linus's ad playing on linus's video, while he is earning from that ad being played, while he got paid while working on that ad. Guys HE SMORT.Genius

[@LindonSlaght]

Linus: and thats SMART not SMORT

[@based757]

I always mistake that pulseway ad for an actual video so I always get confused why I click on a bitwit video and get an ltt one

[@Karrppu]

Nah. I'm watching this over DSL that's connected to my phone.

[@malovent538]

Daamn

[@collinschofield808]

DSL SQUAD! My dad has basically THE WORST plan you could get (25Mbps dsl) and we have 6 people... OOF!

[@xenonram]

@@collinschofield808 25 isn't so bad, if you actually get 25.

[@lyingriotman2220]

@@collinschofield808 Bruh, 25mb down/5mb up ADSL is the best plan my ISP provides in this area. It's pretty decent compared to some people who still get 3mb down/1mb up, or less.

[@SWLinPHX]

My sister has a custom home that wasn’t built as part of a plant community but was their own design in an area in the desert with many of those homes. Although it’s in far North Phoenix that little pocket does not have cable pre-wired or DSL fiber-optic because it’s not a planned community built all at once. She only gets anywhere from 500 kbps to 1.5 mbps down. Hasn’t changed for 11 years. Even 4G is faster than that.

[@firedflesh5427]

The point of WiFi is when you need to use a wireless device like a phone or laptop the stopping point is when you have a device that never moves or is low power or low data rate. Also I can say that Insteon is actually cool and works well if would be cool if they did a video on that

[@PemboPemberton]

LoRa is the way forward for smart devices. Low power, low bandwidth, not in the already cluttered 2.4Ghz radio spectrum, running in the ISM band - around 433Mhz - 868Mhz & just a few milliwatts can reach an insanly, humongous range! Been running multiple LoRa devices, each having a single 18650 battery & they've been going for about 18 months now & they've still got over 80% charge. It would be the business if phones incorporated LoRa. ...Oh, did I mention that the range is insanly humongous?! 😉👌🏼

[@andrewscaccetti6464]

These videos are amazing for learning how to dumb down things for your relatives. Thank you so much for these ❤️

[@elbozo5723]

it’s not like they’re doing it for public service there’s an ad at the end of each one

[@AlexTenThousand]

I guess the thing with not using Bluetooth for home automation is that you also don't really want the world's least secured protocol controlling your door's lock.

[@letsgoBrandon204]

Naaa, I'm gonna try mechanical home automation using STEAM POWER! 😤

[@Zeraxxus]

3:59 I am sure James can do a really nice Kermit the Frog impression :)

[@BottledAss]

came down here to see if anyone caught that

[@Rurik_Luci]

I can't unhear that

[@ShrkBiT]

James tries to continue on seriously after that, but still pronounces "longer" the same way which makes it even funnier. Got stuck in Kermit mode :D

[@Mister_Kevin]

2:23 James cut the video to fix his hair 😂.

[@bill1682]

Curb your hairspray

[@kenyandweeb7998]

Just got a Linus pulseway ad before this 😂😂🤯

[@DRPHD-zj8td]

same

[@epikadith]

same

[@divrajbajwa]

i really liked the new editing on these videos, it keeps me more engaged than listening to it as a podcast

[@tom_something]

"Salad shooter" sounds like a trendy and disappointing hors d'oeuvre.

[@kerosene4751]

Can highly recommend Hubitat as a home automation hub. It's rules engine is fantastic and easy to use. Supports both zigbee and zwave devices, and works with things like Hue lights and switches, even Sonos speakers. Solid product, and doesn't spam you or try to mine your data.

[@Tall_Order]

Z Wave always eradicates all evil in the galaxy. Power Ranger fans will get that reference.

[@Tall_Order]

Although a lot of that evil came back since then.

[@jonnathan780]

Routers with these technologies enabled with them could prove to be good selling points for the home enthusiast that wants alot of IOT devices

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Please make a video with a graphic to condense the pros and cons of Insteon, Bluetooth mesh, Zigby, and Zwave. Hearing the differences sprinkled randomly around the video made it hard for the information to stick, because by the time James reached Pro/Con number 3, pro/Con 2 has been long forgotten due to a relevant yet distracting information blast inbetween the two topics.

[@MayLedesma]

You can visit silabs.com to get a more comprehensive information. James did give good information though.

[@Johnny.Fedora]

Each of those pros and cons have a different weight, so it's not a good idea to just add them up. If you go to the site of the owner of a protocol, such as Silicon Labs, you're going to get biased information that makes their protocol look perfect in every way. KZbin videos are not the best things to base life decisions. There is a lot of text info on the web. Let google or another search engine lead the way.

[@declanwoodham4071]

Bluetooth 5 Low Energy actually introduced meshing, however like Z-Wave, and Zigbee transfer speeds are extremely low.

[@kompassorpigo7600]

Got and extra dose of James today. Feeling pretty good 😊

[@DuneRunnerEnterprises]

Interesting, thanks, James!!

[@kgonepostl]

Damn...........I had no idea, interesting stuff, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks James!!

[@AJD...]

After so long an actual informative video on this channel

[@karlknoedler8957]

Great video...... Z-Wave and Zigbee are a must controlling Home Automation systems using HomeAssistant to integrate all. I use a Nortek HUSBZB-1 Zigbee & Z-Wave Plus USB Interface that has both radios in one USB.

[@danield.8615]

Very well explained! Thank you.

[@_jonathancollins]

Great distillation of info!

[@editorxv7496]

I love these videos so much

[@vorbisek]

thanks, love that

[@NemesisST]

one good topic would be the different color settings on tv's and/or monitors and how to properly set those up. Like sRGB, ycr...something.

[@stevenclark2188]

Thread is basically Zigbee but without the standard device types and with IPv6 as the protocol, so in theory it might be easier to interface to the net.

[@TobinTalks]

When u want a good connection

[@raushonmunni2633]

I mean he is right Z feels more cool and EDGY

[@mahmoudyounis3228]

nice tips for IOT to know about , thanks

[@PurplProto]

When "the smartphone you're using right now" packs a Ryzen 3800X and a GTX 1080Ti 🤔

[@keithmcpherson7962]

I love techquickie!

[@a-cat]

Title: When is Wi-Fi not the answer Me, with gigabit ethernet: *iT nEveR wAs*

[@yokeshwaran6885]

superb bro 👍 All The Best bro 👏

[@stevendesigner]

The only video I have found that it's cleat 😅 Thanks!

[@DctrGizmo]

This is my first time hearing these names and they're funny.

[@dariusEMPEROR]

Hello from a Smarthome DIY user! #Sonoff forever!

[@just_another_nigga]

"Electric locks" have I been living under a rock 3:43

[@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559]

dont run out of power

[@Wonka0998]

Very interesting topic

[@antidefran]

Appreciate this. I always thought of smart device hubs as kind of a rip off when wifi-connected smart devices exist.

[@Johnny.Fedora]

Have you thought about the security implications of making your IoT devices accessible to the internet at large? WiFi consumes a lot of power, which is a big issue for battery-powered devices.

[@legalize420]

​@@Johnny.Fedora the odds of actually getting hacked are laughable, my friend. Although i'm sure the few rare cases have gone viral. You're far more likely to hear about it than experience it. I could spot bigfoot and the lockness monster before you got hacked on one of these smart home devices. Lol. 😂😂😂

[@Johnny.Fedora]

@@legalize420, you have no idea what you are talking about. Google this phrase: risk of IoT devices on intranet

[@sh3fer]

I love the face in the thumbnail

[@GuretoSefirosu]

It's low frequency in comparison. Mesh has very little to do with it. My Simplisafe home security system has eight year old batteries which are still going. It runs around 430MHz as opposed to 2,400MHz like Bluetooth or WiFi. The lower frequency allows the RF to penetrate walls and such more easily and it goes farther with less wattage. As a ham radio operator we can talk 15mi on 146Mhz with a mere 5W of power from a tiny, hand-held radio. We have guys with mobile rigs talking 50mi or more with better antennas mounted to their vehicles. Either way the big advantage here for power and range is the lower frequency. Going back to my Simplisafe system, I have sensors on my detached garage/workshop in the back and it talks to the base station in my house with no issues, but again, it is on something like 430MHz. It's all about the wavelength...

[@michaelyeager6399]

Having different ecosystems can be frustrating. I feel as if home automation won’t ever really take off till there is some type of industry standards. Having a passion for tech I don’t mind, and I love finding solutions. But it limits the customer base to the techies.

[@99_goat91]

when you have ethernet cable

[@AL_O0]

You clearly haven’t watched the video to see what it's about

[@terner1234]

@@AL_O0 but he is technically right

[@Michael-cy8kq]

AL_O0 you clearly didn’t get the joke

[@anirudhpuranik5222]

@@terner1234 you don't want to see your house filled with dangling ethernet cables, don't you.

[@hubertnnn]

@@anirudhpuranik5222 They dont need to dangle. With carefully designed mesh you can have ethernet everywhere without any issues.

[@theMarcoco]

i literally have not heard about either until now

[@shadowsteak]

Jst like yesterday i was doing the research on the zigbee & now a video on it..!

[@thestigmister]

Jokes on you. I'm watching this video on my Desktop!!

[@AuyerPassos]

Zigbee can operate in lower frequencies as well. I own Zigbee 900 MHz tx/rx interfaces I use with Arduino !

[@Bawbalicious]

3:59 Why did James just go full Kermit on us?

[@rossharper1983]

"They aren't much faster than an old dial up phone". Oh you young un. Going from 56K to ISDN 128K was immense speed increase when I was a teen 😂

[@mineral520]

Right? I was like how is 300k anywhere near what dial up was? 300k was closer to my first cable internet connection!

[@RaymondHng]

1:53 I use to have one of those: Novation CAT modem. It ran on 300 baud.

[@AnilKumar-sm3ky]

*When a man advertises himself in the Ad.* :)

[@AmolAmrit]

Love his voice.

[@brandonthegrey]

"Salad shooter" sounds like a drink from a vegan hipster bar

[@OlimacKuma]

i literally just had to write a paper on Zigbee. the timing dude. the freaking timing.

[@MayLedesma]

I would be interested to read that paper.

[@AdnanKhan-yo7hf]

This man explains so well he should be a tech reviewer

[@512mb4]

Yes He is , he have a channel called Unbox Therapy , thank me later 🤗

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

Another John Smith Um, they both are completely different person. This guy in this video works for LinusTechtips

[@josephdattola7497]

This is literally how SONOS works. I love it.

[@sandypan777]

Z-wave exists: My 15 lever locks: interesting

[@EmblemParade]

I find that choosing Zigbee means you can buy a greater variety of products at lower prices. Z-wave might be technically superior, but Zigbee ends up being more practical.

[@g9ames]

So I need a smart hub. Thank you for the info.

[@nordithen]

How does the security of these protocols compare? That's especially important for connected home devices.

[@iliasiosifidis4532]

i think philips hue had a similar thing, cause you need the expencive transmiter center to controll them all

[@enriquelinares9218]

Thread is a great network as well. i have Thread & Zigbee products, both work great.

[@gareginasatryan6761]

Is this video a “what if I told you” meme

[@hamcillus6678]

I just came here to say “ohh the Zigbee, oooh the zigbee!”

[@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559]

whats that sound oh its the zigbee again

[@ashish00007]

Also u didn't tell about the fact that many devices in a single wifi router can make it slow down or have spikes in latency if the router you got isn't the expensive latest models.

[@kstricl]

I've got battery operated door and window sensors on my security system that are over 5 years old and still working (Z-Wave). Try that with Bluetooth.

[@roedyhellyeah]

z-wave is awsome i can say as a developer of a smart home hub

[@brendonpearce14]

You guys should do a "roast my rig" series, where we send you the details of our daily rigs and.. well.. you roast them 😅

[@davidszili1337]

Hey Techquickie team! Please double-check standards: "This standard specifies operation in the unlicensed 2.4 to 2.4835 [29]GHz (worldwide), 902 to 928 MHz (Americas and Australia) and 868 to 868.6 MHz (Europe) ISM bands." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigbee

[@lesnake]

1:51 german quality of mobile data in villages 🙃

[@tempest_dawn]

Yeah WiFi absolutely would not handle fully blown smarthome installations. Our house has something like 80 different light switches, control panels, remotes, locks, motion sensors, etc. One consumer WiFi network would be overwhelmed, but the ZigBee network has been great (we've had this system since at least 2010).

[@GodlikeIridium]

4:26 When you're vegan and your iSalad shoots salad through your house via it's ZuperZiZiZeee connection^^

[@techzone2009]

I use zigbee module in my project ..3 year a go .. it's easy to use 🙂

[@Kiyoshi_9606]

I want to know about Bluetooth mesh! If 5.0 can stream to two devices at once... Maybe Bluetooth 6 will have baked and support for Bluetooth mesh?

[@ashurali22]

Is that you Kermit?!?! 3:59

[@buybymail]

Acoustic modems would operate at 300Hz, about 800 times slower than the 250KILOHz you quoted for Zigbee and ZWave.

[@hwgusn]

Living that Hubitat life.

[@gurkiratsingh8747]

*But you didn't talked about the security aspect of these protocols.*

[@eseseis7251]

what about the Hidden side of the IOTs? the one honey farmers hope it stays that way.

[@laurendoe168]

The dial-up modem shown operates at 0.1 kbps (110 bps (it was actually called 110 baud back then)) - WELL below anything in use today. Dial-up modems never exceeded 64 kbps - just under 2/3 of ZWave and a quarter of zigbee.

[@HellcatM]

Which is more secure? The thing about wireless home electronics is the security. You don't want someone being able to break into your house simply by hacking into your electronic lock on your door.

[@sportigothic]

@3:24 Note the “typical routers.” Some routers do. If this is important to you, look for the zigbee and z-wave Support.

[@phatec]

When you need a stable connection, gaming, or remote access etc. Vpn over WiFi cuts your connection in half, while on lan your connection speed isn’t affected as bad.

[@phatec]

I'm referencing Cisco AnyConnect VPN over an enterprise domain connection, in many cases while connected to Wifi your network speed is cut in half due to packet loss or network restrictions. I should have been more clear. This is something we face with our environment since we got everyone working remote during Covid. This obviously doesn't happen through all VPN connections which are less restricted.

[@dr.jibonnesaalamkhushi7845]

When u can't afford a WiFi router

[@ropemaxx]

As ordering stuff for my smart home this pops up

[@lorenzomot]

I want to implement smart contol only for 9 roller shutters. If i use zigbee do i have to buy only one hub or more?

[@collinschofield808]

I thought this was gonna be about Ethernet and when to use it instead of WiFi. Can you do a video about NFC? That could be a similar but good topic

[@Bembika09]

Does lightning fast internet speed make difference when entering to traffic jammed site or server.

[@bm830810]

LoRa would also be an interesting topic to talk about

[@obliterator789]

4:00 is it just me or did he start sounding like Kermit?

[@atomspalter2090]

nce video!

[@pettypendergrass8596]

@2:20 CUT! Wardrobe come fix my hair!

[@russbooth6766]

"Smartphone your using right now to watch this video" Watches it on a laptop

[@pgomez]

Lmao great Zaxby’s reference do y’all even got that up North?

[@ArthursHD]

What about wired connections? And the security of your newly fond impact driver two years down the line?