I Tried the Cheapest ARC B580 Graphics Card (ASRock Challenger 12GB)

[@techyescity]

Merry Xmas all, hope you enjoy this one, lots more content coming over the holiday season as well as a new years parts hunt! Edit, big thank you all for subscribing too, 600K!

[@recite2janah]

congrats on 600k!

[@teknativo]

Congrats on the 600k subs and Merry Christmas! 🎄 Great video, like always. Let's hope I can get one LE card next week 😅

[@Doug-mu2ev]

Merry Christmas mate! Always here for your awesome content!

[@kaisersolo76]

Merry Xmas 🎉

[@RANDOMNATION907]

🎄 *Merry Christmas* 🎄 I really like the low power draw of the B580. Can't wait to see how the B570 compares.

[@Dubistader]

They both are Arc Series cards.The previous ones were Arc Alchemist gpus and the new ones are still Arc but Battlemage gpus. Edit : Wrote the comment before ending the video, correction in the naming is at the end of it.

[@vishwajeetpanwar3271]

Arc is GeForce/Radeon naming, A...B...C naming is confusing from Intel tho

[@waduhhfreeze9779]

Well, he could be saying Alc to refer to the alchemist series 😅

[@techyescity]

Lol i confused myself don't worry.

[@Pentenfi]

This

[@RongDMemer]

Arc A, Arc B, Arc C.

[@Willbme4EVA]

Congratulation from Japan on reaching 600K subs, and a Merry Christmas. Lil something to put in the Tech Yes City Mobile for the parts Hunt

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Good to see a competitive 3rd player. Merry Xmas and happy 2025.

[@tilapiadave3234]

Who is the second competitive player??? Ohh you mean AMD that have completely failed to compete

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Just get a better job I've bought quad 5090 super ti with solid 24k gold heatsinks. With dual CPU threadripper.😊 Poor peasant. ​@@tilapiadave3234

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@Flex-cx7uj Nope ,, Cannot compare VASTLY superior Nvidia to pretend GPU's made by AMD ,,, wake up fanboy

[@GewelReal]

​@@Flex-cx7ujexcept 3060 is faster and has 12GB of VRAM so obviously it's expensive

[@ButterThatEpic]

​@@GewelRealI love how you guys just bash into a completely peaceful reply section And tell others how more expensive stuff is better

[@seanaldridgefrancisco8736]

Honestly the ASRock challenger models are really looking much better over time compared to previous iterations

[@techyescity]

Couldn't agree more.

[@ad_fletch]

I replaced a gigabyte gaming oc RX 6800 with an Asrock challenger version. The gigabyte whined fiercely but the Asrock has been great....

[@AG-mm9wn]

I preordered this version literally just because

[@chemicalbuz]

I got a 7800xt one and can confirm it ticks all boxes

[@igm1571]

i just remember Asrock Challanger look tr*sh like msi ventus or gigabyte but now it look much better, Asus Dual and Asrock Challanger are did a great job in quality build now.

[@Cheesevillage]

Thanks for the review and recommendation, Bryan! The only thing I would have appreciated is a comment about the conspicuous 5% lows in a few titles; perhaps some more commentary on subjective gameplay "feel." Merry Christmas!

[@techyescity]

Oh yeah those games have in built benchmarks which when I check them they are very accurate so I just use that instead. Changes it up I guess.

[@fightnight14]

I would skip the AsRock Challenger and get the reference card because the AsRock one has a small heatsink and fans. It's louder and hotter

[@nismo2070]

Thank you for including the 1080ti. I have one in my work pc and I game on it when I have down time.

[@hardasstone5828]

I have had the A770 for over a year, still cant figure out why others have issues. Never Ever any issues what so ever.

[@zombl337og]

do you play old games from 90s and 2000s with it?

[@paulboyce8537]

Had mine for two years and it has doubled it performance. Plus it overclocks well. On 4k with i7-13700k. It gives better experience with half the FPS compared to 4070ti. Different architecture from all good frames vs half broken frames with stutter.

[@Stikkzz]

@@paulboyce8537

[@zombl337og]

@@paulboyce8537 A B770 w/ 16GB+ would go hard for like $400-$500, and Celestial could be amazing!

[@paulboyce8537]

@@zombl337og I predict the B770/B780 to be Xe2 32 cores/Xe2 40 cores on PCIe 5.0 x16 direct access to CPU. Compare that to B580 that is Xe2 20 cores at PCIe 4.0 x8. PCIe 5.0 double the data transfer compared to PCIe 4.0. And PCIe 4.0 x8 is only quarter of the PCIe 5.0 x16 speed. REBAR vs direct access. Add CUDIMM that offers +20% gains. Lot better E Cores and L2 extreme power of 295W from Arrow Lake. INTEL is dual silicon architecture. See where I'm going? There is a huge potential. I think it will land somewhere at 5080 if not better. B580 I see as ironing the bugs out. I wouldn't be surprised if INTEL announces at the same time as Nvidia taking their thunder.

[@mikesunboxing]

Still waiting for my pre order to arrive here in the Uk from overclockers Uk

[@bellshooter]

Me Too

[@techyescity]

Pre order? That's a bit wild. I just checked one morning and saw in stock

[@Neil_down_south]

I saw 7th Jan mentioned on one uk site. I'm waiting too!

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Good luck look at that companies feedback

[@Huxley555]

Likewise, pre ordered this card on the 7th but still nothing.

[@phucnguyen0110]

Grats on 600K subs, Bryan! And happy holiday to you and your loved ones as well!

[@TC-hl1ws]

Thank you for trying to undervolt! I will be looking out for further undervolting information from Tech Yes City.

[@someguy4849]

I love AsRock products, my 7900XTX OC its an AsRock Phantom Gaming and its a beast.

[@ralphmouth4280]

Glad you showed the temps as they have a 3-fan version of this. I'd prefer a smaller form factor in any build if the temps don't go high. Merry Christmas!

[@jawuda]

Thanks Tech Yes City for releasing this video, made my Christmas complete. Merry Chrristmas Tech Yes Citizens!

[@PCMcGee1]

Merry Christmas to you, congrats on 600k! Well deserved.

[@macskaichardware]

can't believe brian never admitted he was wrong about intel hiding something about battlemage. still love the video

[@albertdl5795]

Yeah. Love TYC but that video was just weird. It just comes off having "Intel hater vibes" when he didn't even have an actual B580 at the time.

[@DavidClark081]

Merry Christmas mate, hope you and your family have an awesome day

[@unitybeing777]

I wish you a Merry Christmas, knowing it is until 7th of January 2025. Godspeed.

[@Skobeloff...]

Seems to be outstanding performance for the price

[@Jason-zh7wo]

Good to see business has picked up for you! Merry Xmas

[@sergiomarroquinjr3587]

Very Merry Christmas to you as well!

[@jameswubbolt7787]

Merry Christmas, thank you for all your work.

[@selwynsmit963]

Merry Christmas TYC Fam. May the coming year be blessed with Tech Goodness.🎉

[@mrsrhardy]

Merry Christmas, yes mate I watched this after Christmas lunch and the reference made me SMILE!

[@raylmao0596]

ordered this exact card yesterday, hoping it does well!

[@user-rx4ip2cd6i]

Merry Christmas Tech Yes from Pennsylvania USA!!!! Love the Channel!!!🤗

[@RensMakren]

Merry Christmas! You are an awesome human! Keep up the great work!!!

[@brads2041]

Happy holidays Bryan

[@Sitharii]

Yessss !!! at last .... someone reported ReBar for those Battllemage !!! Thank you Bryan ,since ,my complaints to those other reviewers was exactly what you said ,that *the Battlemage ,due to its appealing price ,will be mostly desirable to lower budget players ,and those lower budget gamers won't necessarily have a new* (ReBar supported) *CPU* . My own systems are based on Ryzen2700X/3700X ,just like many other people i suppose... Thanks !!

[@The79Vivir]

The R5 3600X supports rebar. I have one and it's activated for my nvidia

[@Sitharii]

@@The79Vivir this is the answer if you ask MS copilot about ReBar support for Ryzen3xxx series : """"Yes, the Ryzen 3xxx-series CPUs generally support the Resizable BAR (ReBAR) feature. *However, to enable ReBAR, you'll need a compatible motherboard* ( *typically a 500-series chipset or newer* ) and a compatible GPU"""" ,so this isn't applied to everyone

[@songolin4544]

The problem with misnaming the A series cards just "Arc" is because there's also an Intel limited edition called the Intel Arc B850 so when you mentioned the ASRock not having issues like Intel Arc, viewers might think the Intel Limited Edition Arc B850s could have some sort of defect. In either case, I'm happy to see Intel really showing up this time around. I just wish they were actually available.

[@johnchristianson515]

If asrock releases a 200mm B580 or better for $300 or less I would buy it right now.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

I tried taking a look at a Tech YES City video. 10/10 would recommend

[@vivekramkumar9488]

Merry Christmas buddy 🎄🎉

[@Boria0]

Battlemage is Arc just like Alchemist was. Battlemage is much more baked than Alchemist was

[@GameOverAus]

Merry Xmas to you, thank you for the contined great content this year, look forward to next year

[@zakazanyphoenix3573]

yay tech yes happy yesmas and new year in advance

[@timestamppatrol]

yesss finally yesss, thank u for the video like always

[@pandatime2273]

Merry Christmas

[@hrmd3537]

Merry Christimas to everyone. Great dGPU, great review.

[@LeonSteelpaw]

I am a bit surprised you had issues with the Arc cards That being said, I am waiting for the 'high-end' releases that are supposed to happen for the Battlemage cards. It will be quite the thing once they come out I think

[@FuelHauler48]

The intel arc b580 cards early problems in some games reminds me a lot of how the 5700xt overcame the 2070 super about 2 years after launch when tests were ran fresh. Amd really put out driver improvements and the card aged like fine wine and is still going for 200-150 in my area.

[@David01.d]

Grats on 600k

[@djvidual8288]

Hey Brian, I wish you would have said more to the 1% lows that you measured. These are pretty important for the overall gaming experience. I am certain the performance will improve for the B580 but based on your datapoints the tone of the video is a little too positive. Feels rather mixed based on your benchmarks.

[@tonsku1978]

Merry Xmas

[@mikazukigaw-id5688]

Scalpers are preventing us from getting our hands on these in our area unfortunately

[@techyescity]

oh no way, that sucks. They sold out in aus pretty quick, but that's because I don't think there were that many.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

Its easier too see it as a bit of goodwill farming from intel 250 for reviews but those models will disappear soon enough

[@Pårchmēntôs]

@@Takashita_Sukakoki apparently Intel was surprised by the enthusiastic reaction to the card. Hopefully they increase the production in the coming weeks.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

​@@Pårchmēntôs they are losing serious money each unit sold. The gpu die is massive and there are still serious architectural weaknesses on battlemage (seems to be unable too load all cores on 1080p explains the 1440p results). The price is great for what it is.

[@Pårchmēntôs]

@@Takashita_Sukakoki the goal is to take some market share so they’re probably fine with losing money on the sale. I think they just weren’t expecting people to like it as much as they do.

[@AndyViant]

Merry Christmas. This won't have the full overclock potential of the Steel Legend but it should have a bit in it. Founders Edition had great thermals and power, so probably doesn't need the third fan.

[@StarsAtNight1]

In germany they go around 320/330 (and netherlands +10). Two times I saw the intel version for 300 euro. So they are in available. I think I'm going to pick one up for my living room pc. My current AMD rx 480 8gb has no support anymore and was only playable with newer games that support upscaling. Still going to need upscaling with the Intel b580 but at least not with low settings anymore. I'm also impressed with intels upscaler.

[@Kopi83r]

Merry Xmas!

[@gediminasbielskis8346]

I was waiting for this!!!

[@igors_lv]

Also as others pointed out, both gens are ARC cards. 1- Alchemist 2 - Battlemage A series and B series.

[@theaverageenduser6241]

great vid as always. would it be possible to put relevant prices next to the GPU's? That extra bit of information would be extremely helpful.

[@ironsteal]

Merry Christmas man!

[@Xathos]

0:35 Is he conflating ARC, Intel's GPU brand, with Alchemist, their 1st gen GPU series? It feels like he keeps doing this throughout the video (or interchangeably when talking about their 1st party cards, too).

[@waduhhfreeze9779]

Maybe he meant Alc for alchemist😅

[@MasonzeroDigitalWorks]

I bought the same card and have been playing around with it. Really impressed! I put it in a system that had a RTX 2080 and I'm seeing less performance overall, which feels incorrect. So maybe there is some more tweaking to do. Cyberpunk with raytracing is really impressive. Playing around with it, I was getting 40+ FPS with ultra settings, XeSS on Performance, ray tracing on medium, at 4K. Obviously not the ideal playing experience, but the fact that I can push it to that is really cool. Unfortunately, this PC is my couch PC and I play a lot of Assassin's Creed on it, and for some reason I can not get AC Odyssey to perform well. Whether it's low settings or ultra settings, 1080p or 4K, it sits at around 50 FPS and has massive hitches. Since the settings don't seem to affect it, I'm curious what's causing this. Suggestions are welcome, but I'm going to keep doing more testing with other games.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

Well, if you have chaos...I hope it's the good kind...Merry Christmas.

[@Jomenaa]

Such an interesting card, would love to have one! Here in Finland tho so the euro conversion and tax etc. hits hard and all the models are around 340€ D:

[@paulboyce8537]

Australia I got mine 75€ cheaper. But getting more expensive here after elections that screwed the Australian Dollar. Word of today is "Tariffs". Australian talking point to follow the idiocy of U.S.

[@SciFiDude79]

I love my B580 so far. But, I upgraded from an A750 and I have a few games that run great on the A750 but are unplayable due to incredibly low FPS or a flat out failure to launch on the B580. I'm hoping driver updates will iron out these issues, since I know the games can run on Arc hardware. For the most part, though, the B580 is a major improvement.

[@Manicsar1]

I was going to pick up one of the B580s, however they were all out of stock, so I ended up finding an open box 7600 XT at my local BestBuy for $279, works great, around the same performance, not Nvidia.

[@L4J4]

Been impressed with my ASRock Arc B580 as well, runs all the games I want to play over xmas at over 120hz-200hz on low settings, and for £285 can't really complain. Was nice to give Intel a try and this card stays quiet even under load and with the fans working up to 1000-1500rpm for me. Great card to have in the interim as I wait for Nvidia before deciding what to do with it.

[@JerrodLechner]

Have you tried BO6 with it? My A580 runs it at 160-180 hz. Interested what this does.

[@L4J4]

@@JerrodLechner Yes I have, it drops all over the place when I'm on Nuketown - you can get 120-180hz but I wouldn't call it a buttery smooth experience due to the 1% lows I'm on a 13900K for this gpu though, maybe it'd be better with AMD to boost performance at 1440p? I could also drop the resolution down to 1920x1080 but never did.

[@interrobangings]

I might buy a B770 -- if we get one, anyway.

[@__-fi6xg]

eh intel is sadly out of range in germany, too expensive here, about 100€/dollar difference dont make it a good deal overseas

[@johnt.848]

I found with the Alchemist card, when I removed the Control centre, the glitches I had went too. Now I only install and update drivers and it runs fine.

[@Keepone974]

As a budget gamer, I've been looking at a 3060 12GB used to replace my 1660 Super. Everybody is basically saying to avoid 8GB cards now. The B580 is 50K yen in Japan so far. Not great.

[@keithmiller9665]

I have the A380 for QSV hardware video transcoding via ffmpeg and for that narrow use it is brilliant. I don't play games. For all the KZbin reviews of the B580 not one of them compares comparative QSV performance. Not all GPU users play games.😮

[@slashyslicker4471]

You mean the Alchemist series as the battlemage series is also Arc. Arc is like GeForce

[@igavinwood]

Nice to see that Intel are still trying to get into the market by offering these GPUs at a reasonable price. They still offer nothing to me as I have a RX 6800XT, but neither do Nvidia 5xxx (far too expensive to buy anything worthy of an upgrade) or AMD 9xxx (tiny bump to the fps and RayTracing which is still a gimmick in most cases). The most important parts of a GPU for me are bandwidth and 16GB+ of VRAM so the card doesn't chock on textures. If Intel provide that for their next gen then there may be something worth looking at. Merry Christmas and hopeful New Year to all.

[@grizzlyindustries7593]

Merry Christmas Mr. Tech YES Man! I have a story of ReBAR support I would like you to hear at the bottom here that might be a nothing sandwich or really interesting. But first the B580. So happy you testing this card and so darn happy that Intel came out with a banger GPU at a price point I am finally willing to afford at under US$300. I have been holding back upgrading and as someone who has been wanting to upgrade since the RX 400, 500, and 5000 series AMD cards I use on daily Linux distros and testing Windows. This is finally worth something I am really wanting to buy combined with the power draw, encoding support, 1440p improvements, and hopefully heaps more down the road. If you are testing on older hardware, could you try out the Ryzen 5 3600 CPU on an updated ReBAR supported motherboard? The Ryzen 5 3600 supports PCIe 4.0. Of course, I only have a X470 board with PCIe 3.0. I have been curious for a while now cause I own a Ryzen 5 3600 in my main rig along with a i5-8400 with a ReBAR updated supported Z370 motherboard. Funny enough, the RX 5500 XT 8gb and RX 560D 2gb greatly benefits on the Ryzen 5 3600 unit with ReBAR support on. Thanks to ReBAR, the RX 560D gained a very large portion of FPS in say like Cyberpunk 2077 I did as a fun test where I increased from non-playable to completely playable around 60fps with very aggressive FSR2 upscaling. I mainly did this while I was waiting on my RX 5500 XT. And the RX 5500 XT gains about a 5% increase or nothing changes with ReBAR support. And I also did this on both Windows 11 Pro and Linux distros such as Bazzite, Fedora, Mint, and Zorin. However, I recently built a i5-8400 test bench unit that has glitches with it's enabled ReBAR support when only on bootup of the Cachy OS distro on a RX 470 4gb. Of course, I have not had time to figure this out do to lots of IT work, and it only seems to last on bootup. And even after disabling ReBAR the Cachy OS is still showing signs bootup glitches. Yet, I had to do something with a Windows 10 clone on the i5-8400(which the cloned drived shared a 8th gen CPU). And ReBAR support was enabled and would not allow the system to boot the Windows OS. Now, it could a whole number of factors. My best bet is it is just the RX 470 has a bad memory controllr or memory in general considering it has been running for years in my sister's 1080p editing system. I just find this very interesting on ReBAR support and I do wonder from where does enabling ReBAR start to become important. Does a PCIe 4.0 enabled CPU like the Ryzen 5 3600 even on a PCIe 3.0 board gains benefits with ReBar support enabled from a PCIe 4.0 card like the Intel B580? Or will it not gain anything or have a huge loss like the i5-8400 despite the ReBAR support being in my updated motherboard settings? As one system builder to another, I do not have the tools and multiple variables I used to have. And I especially do not have the time to test these ReBAR theories. Just something I thought was interesting to share. Sorry it is all long winded and stuff. Hope you and everyone around the world has a Merry Christmas and a Happy Holidays.

[@essi2]

Minor thing, but Alchemist and Battlemage are both Intel Arc

[@louisstanwu]

Love you dude, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the days are getting longer now. That means, uh huh. :)

[@SpoonHurler]

Came to the comment section to see all the computer nerds screaming about Battlemage being ARC too and I was not disappointed... Good work guys.

[@thedungeondelver]

Merry Christmas, sir.

[@niklayfer1445]

I wouldn't touch Intel with a ten foot pole

[@thomascrum185]

Here is the US they are all sold out! A lot of reviewers are recommending these as upgrades and new builds.

[@contech-zb4gq]

Agree about the "Arc" naming. Intel is a bit confusing with names like Xe, Iris, UHD, HD, GT, GMA, Arc, etc.

[@yttean98]

In some games, tests suggest that it even beats the RTX 4060Ti.

[@tilapiadave3234]

If it beats 4060Ti then it DESTROYS 7600xt

[@ConnorH2111]

Those 0.1% lows are terrible though

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Just got one in myself and it looks a great card for the price,very stable and with good benchmarks.

[@karlos1060]

The card is looking quiet good. Only the 0.1% lows are something to look at. That can ruin the gameplay if you have heavy stutters. But pricewise the card is amazing. I hope the B780 will be there soon and can target about 4070 performance. That would be great!

[@NZRanger]

As an A750 user on an AM4 5700X platform I find it rock stable and incredibly good value for the price. Have you used the DDU utility to remove any old nVidia/AMD/Intel gpu drivers before installing the Arc ones? If not that is probably your issue... When I went from 1660 Super oo the A750 I HAD to use that utility or else I had weird issues all over the place ( Intel inform customs to use DDU when changing from any other card )

[@saberspecter]

Would you recommend waiting until January? We're getting new 9000 AMD cards and apparently a 7000 series refresh from current rumors. Merry Christmas.

[@originalscreenname44]

I would say it depends on what your budget is. If you're looking to build a system in the $500-600 range, this might be the card to pick up now. If your budget is higher, then it might be good to wait, but I highly doubt anyone else is going to put out something as good as the B580 for $250. Hell, I doubt you'll see any of the new come close at $280.

[@BertieJasokie]

Mixing up Black Myth: Wukong with Dota2's Monkey King skill Wukong's Command.

[@wizharts]

7:19 Ryzen 7 Pro 2700 + Arc A750 + Asrock A320 resizable BAR here 🥰

[@peterjohnson5872]

Those % lows are shocking for something that claims to wipe the floor with the 4060.

[@M4x505.]

Yeah, I was excited for this GPU but I still got the 4060 because of that + stability + RT and Nvidia features like cuda for Blender. It gets a lot of hate but for my use case it's perfect lol

[@nbrown5907]

Cool someday there will be 3 choices when buying a top end video card and who knows that may happen in the CPU market if the ARM cpus can get performance up with the other two.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

I suspect the 250€ price to be an early buyers unicorn and the actual price from partners landing near 275´ist. In europe i can buy the cheapest model for 339€

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

lmao its basicly a little better than 5700xt card with 3 times the price

[@tim3172]

That's not how it has ever worked with any Intel, AMD, or Nvidia product but go off...

[@FoxleyGamingZone]

Seems to be an awesome mid-range card.

[@boonedawg1506]

If the b580 came more powerful, I'd swap from my 3070. 3070 undervolted and most games I'm at the same wattage as the b580. Intel did an amazing job on this card. No more nvidia for me in the future as they just charge too much for less.

[@thedanyesful]

I love my A750 and definitely plan to upgrade to the B580, but can't imagine doing literally anything on desktop at 1080p in 2024. That's like a 2005 resolution. In 2024, 1440p monitors are a dime-a-dozen, and even good 4k monitors are available at less than the cost of a mid-range GPU like this.

[@spaznetwork6982]

Nice video. I paired the this in my HTPC Silverstone Sugo 16 Intel i5 12400 system for streaming and some gaming very good so far!

[@FilippoCarrux]

Man! Merry Christmas and thanks for the video! could I ask you if it would be possible to see benchmarks on competitive FPS games, setting all graphics to low? Like Valorant, CS2, Cod,the finals, Delta Force. Nobody has done this. I know we're in the CPU bound scenario but I think could be interesting to see how core clock and ram speeds works in high FPS environments and also driver optimization. The B580 could reach over 3100mhz with overclocking that could impact so much in this types of games.

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

This is decently impressive. I've toyed with everything and a mainstream card that will last like the RX580 did is great for the masses, the price on B580 is nice.

[@adi6293]

I've been running Arc A770 16GB for around a week , it's been stable for me , got it overclocked to 2650Mhz and at with XESS at Quality / Ultra Quality 1440p it's quite a solid performer 😅 I haven't tested that many games yet but Hogwarts Legacy , War Thunder , Path of Exile and Diablo 4 work pretty good basically Ultra settings with decent enough fps

[@MookieZerang]

Good video, good info. It's a big step up from the a series cards. BTW, 20FPS RT is good?

[@Oozaru85]

Right at the beginning you made a mistake. Battlemage is also Arc. The first series was not the Arc series, but the Alchemist series. Alchemist and Battlemage are both Intel Arc.

[@dbeko07]

I'm considering replacing my RX 6600 with this card but the motherboard is PCIe 3.0 so maybe you can do tests with PCIe 3 please? Thanks

[@paulboyce8537]

From 4.0 to 3.0 the data transfer is halved. And B580 uses 4.0 x8. So you are looking at 3.0 x8 speeds. Most likely works with a performance hit.

[@dbeko07]

@@paulboyce8537 I know but the RX 6600 is a 4.0 x8 card too, I think. It runs most games higher than 60 FPS so I can't complain about its performance since I'm limiting it by not having a PCIe 4 slot. I'm hoping that the B580 will perform better than the RX 6600 in the same computer

[@RoastedSushii]

Pcie 3.0 will have plenty of bandwidth for a b580. The bigger issue is do you have resiezable bar? It's essential for arc gpus

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

​@RoastedSushiiwtf is resizeable bar

[@paulboyce8537]

@@dbeko07 There is architectural difference where CPU only feeds the GPU and INTEL ARC where the CPU is paired via REBAR to split the tasks with GPU. So if in doubt I think AMD/Nvidia with PCIe 3.0 x8 might work better and INTEL ARC might be restricted because of the bigger data transfer. For Alchemist it is vital to have INTEL CPU and better it is better the ARC works. With every driver update the gap is getting bigger to AMD CPU. INTEL ARC is optimized to INTEL CPU.

[@captmaverickable]

I love it but none of these cards are available.

[@paulb4uk]

Great card for gaming on a budget so nice to have more options.

[@tinayang3902]

Better than bought 2nd hand GPU off eBay / Marketplace but experience problems running games 5+ old...

[@robertmoore119]

Hey undervolt! It lost some frames, but it went down 300MHz. Who knows if he tried to slightly overclock after the undervolt.

[@phoenixrising4995]

Battlemage is 2nd gen Arc and 1st gen is Alchemist. I find it funny you don't recommend ARC but you recommend Battlemage. Its Alchemist that had a bumpy start and now Battlemage reaps the rewards of better driver support. Celestial will be their first mainstream card in 2026.

[@rwk1013]

I've heard at the retail price of $249 they're losing $20 each but they have zero stock on anything $279 and below here in the states.