Ted Lasso - 2x12 Inverting the Pyramid of Success - Group Reaction

Richmond draws back into the Premiership and Sam is staying in England in the Season 2 Finale of Ted Lasso! The Normies review and discuss the episode, and break down Nate's betrayal after the episode!
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[@Thenormies]

Ted Lasso has been such a wholesome addition to our roster! What is your favorite part of this series?

[@jhamptonjr]

My favorite was when Ted beat Rupert at darts! So satisfying!

[@arnob216]

Watch Scrubs from same producer.. it gives Ted Lesso vibe but even funnier

[@DeadInsideDave]

i hate surj like surj hates nate

[@Delboy0]

Inverting The Pryarmid was a famous book about the revolution of tactics in soccer from a defensive strategy to an attacking strategy so,the title is a reference to this but applying it to success. This is why Americans need to learn about soccer because it is a far better sport than those crap American sports.

[@afrarehman760]

@@jhamptonjr Even better was seeing Rebecca reaction to Ted beating Rupert because she didn't like Ted before but i think after seeing that it made her like Ted even more. It was amazing to see both of them cheering and getting along. Great friendship.

[@Kris-wp3fm]

Regarding Nate's complaints about not displaying his photo... a background detail from a previous episode shows that the photo isn't in Ted's office because it's in his HOME next to a picture of his SON.

[@helenledwith7016]

I so wish he told Nate that. I just know Ted was so taken back by Nate's actions.

[@corystanish]

@@helenledwith7016 I think there may yet come a day when Nate is, for convoluted reasons, invited into Ted's home, and he'll see the picture there.

[@paulhewes7333]

on Ted's night stand, so he sees it when he wakes up and goes to sleep.

[@fayesouthall6604]

Whenever I see this episode I just look at Nate. Everything he rolls his eyes at. When he confronts Ted I remember that he’s confusing Ted with his dad. He doesn’t see Teds panic attack as a mental thing but as a weakness. Ted however is understandable in not confronting Nate - he knows Nate is hurting and he understands.

[@Crazyivan777]

I love Sam's facial reaction when the billionaire throws his fit. The whole time Sam looks vaguely amused, like, "Okay. Definitely dodged a bullet here."

[@terrygracy8345]

His handshake man pulling the old fake out. 😂

[@100nitrog2]

Sam was genuinely offended for half a second. "Medium talent?"

[@Quzga]

Nate is definitely seeing Ted as a father figure and projecting things onto him that he feels about his dad. Nate needs therapy, big time

[@GuardianOwl]

And I think Ted eventually recognizes that this stems from that issue. Nate says that Ted should be home, emphasizing "with his son," that is where he belongs. Right after that line they shows Ted's expression and for a brief moment it hardens as if to say "how dare you" as an almost reflexive response, but then immediately softens as he realizes this isn't really about him.

[@fayesouthall6604]

@@GuardianOwl Ted said in a previous episode that he won’t let anyone get by him who are hurting. He understands hurt.

[@2kjae789]

After watching the 3rd season you can definitely kind of get Nate’s perspective as to why he lashed out on Ted, not trying to justify it lol. Just saying when I first saw that scene I reacted just like the normies but after watching Nate’s relationship with his father it made so much sense.

[@dapeach06]

Nothing has ever made more sense than Pat identifying with the billionaire only once he became a total man child

[@yashc1995ify]

Guys you're forgetting the most important thing- "Be curious, not judgemental."

[@DanielLoganGames]

Higgins was doing good the whole time. He was saying the absurd stuff to Keiley intentionally to show her why she shouldn't worry about it.

[@KyouOneZilla]

Yup, he learned it from Ted

[@futureguy5126]

One interesting things about Nate saying that Ted abandoned him is before this episode, that last time we see Nate and Ted have a personal/one-on-one conversation is Season 1 Episode 7 when Ted yells at Nate while he is trying to sign the divorce papers and then apologizes. I think this along with Ted hiring Roy made Nate feel abandoned. In addition, Nate sees Ted as a father-figure so Nate can say and project all of the issues he has with his father because a lot of the issues he says he has with Ted are actually issues he has with his father..

[@kaigamer8250]

"it would be good for his career." For him to leave to some club in Africa is an absolutely massive step down, it's not good for his career at all.

[@ISavant]

yeah, how can signing onto a brand new league run by an emotionally stunted child possibly be *good* for sam's career? it's almost like pat doesn't know anything about anything.

[@robertcampbell8070]

​@@ISavantPat acts like he's the "sports guy" of the Normies, but he's actually generally clueless when it comes to sports knowledge.

[@ISavant]

@@robertcampbell8070 he's the douchebro of the group and I genuinely can't understand how they put up with him

[@dapeach06]

​@ISavant yeah, I feel the same way. He's a much worse Nahid

[@thornslow]

Y'all need to go outside 😂😂😂

[@brendanoconnor1550]

Nate has had moments of being domineering and even outright nasty even back in Season 1. His harsh critique of the team pushed them to win in Liverpool, so he thinks that kind of talk is acceptable. He regularly was harsh to William and insulted Colin’s skills and position on the team just because he teased him a bit. Combining that with his insecurities, desire to be respected, and growing resentment of always being associated with Ted instead of being acknowledged for his merits have led him towards this path. I don’t know what Rupert said to him at the funeral, but it definitely lent a hand as well.

[@laurelf.2057]

I don’t think the roast in Liverpool should be held against him. He never intended to say it to them, he only did because Ted agreed with him about all of it and said he should do it. If Nate is getting blame for that then Ted should be blamed too. Also, saying Nate was "teased a bit" by Colin is WILDLY underselling it. Nate was physically and verbally harassed for MONTHS by Colin, Isaac, and Jamie and only got a respite from it because of Ted's intervention leading to Roy giving Colin a concussion. There is no planet where that behavior should be considered "teased a bit." Nate being rude to him once - for which he apologized - is far less than what Colin deserved to be honest.

[@efrainlagunas]

@@laurelf.2057 sorry, disagree with some parts of what you wrote. First, your point on the harsh critique during the Liverpool game is wrong on twofold: 1) the og comment didn't say it as blame or to be held against him, but more as an unfortunate/wrong lesson Nate took from that 2) it was still Nate who wrote it, even if he never intended to say it out loud himself, it was still his intention to have it spoken out loud. Personally, I believe in that moment Nate did understand what was the takeaway from it, but as he grew more spiteful and insecure, it warped his perception and he took the wrong lessons from it as that now is what fits his worldview. My memory of Nate being rude to Collin is that he did it far more than just once, but he only apologized for the one that got him trouble. It's understandable Nate would get revenge because Collin did bully him harshly and like you said, it should not be tolerated nor be minimized.

[@laurelf.2057]

@@efrainlagunas Thought crimes do not exist. Nate cannot be criticized for something he thought but never intended to actually say. Should you be criticized for having an ill thought about someone if you don’t actually say it? And again, Ted AGREED with Nate and told him to say it. There is no evidence Nate was continuously mean to Colin, and certainly not to a fraction of the degree that Colin was to Nate.

[@efrainlagunas]

@@laurelf.2057 Sorry, I'm not arguing with someone who manipulates and ignores my words to fit their agenda. For anybody else, no one here, atm, said that was wrong of him to do. Just that Nate took the wrong lesson there. Also, NO, that wasn't a thought. He wrote it down for Ted to say it outloud, BUT that's beside the point because it wasn't wrong. No one was at fault there. It's just a shame Nate may have twisted what that special moment was now that he's in a bad place mentally.

[@laurelf.2057]

@@efrainlagunas Sure seemed like blame to me. Regardless, I don’t see where he took some horrible lesson from it. He’s (unfairly) mean to Will for other reasons - the team welcomes Will immediately, whereas they treated him like shit, and Nate doesn’t see that it’s because the team has improved not because of anything Will did differently. He’s rude to Colin - ONCE - because Colin tormented him. Should he, as a coach? No. But it’s completely understandable and I don’t fault him for it. If he were berating and personally attacking everyone, that might be one thing, but he doesn’t. ETA: Also, if we’re playing the unethical coaches game, what about Roy? He refused to coach Jamie for six weeks because he was petty and had the power to do so - and would have gone on doing that if Jamie and finally Ted hadn’t forced the conversation - refused to listen to him for even longer than that, and even all through season 3 continued to be dismissive and antagonistic.

[@KS-xk2so]

It's almost impressive how consistently Pat misses the point of something lol

[@GDRaptorFan13]

This show is so incredibly wholesome he should not have been included in this one! He’s the only annoying part of watching the normies reactions, especially for this show 😢

[@cubonemaker5080]

@@GDRaptorFan13 I agree. it's very distracting

[@Thomas_Donofrio]

Nate’s character arc in this season might feel a little clunky or forced but if you go back and watch knowing how Nate feels, you will see signs of it early on. He tried being a firm boss but came off more demeaning. He felt replaced by Roy as a sign that he wasn’t good enough. He didn’t feel taken seriously when he was laughed at for saying he’d talk to Isaac. Or when Roy first came back to coach, after a goal Ted walked right past Nate to shake Roy’s hand and the camera focused on Nate’s expression. All Nate wanted was to be scene and to be recognized primarily by Ted and his father. But yeah he absolutely should go to therapy.

[@UCFJayBird]

This. It's a common complaint that people find Nate's change in attitude forced, but if you go back and watch from the beginning and really pay attention to Nate with this in mind, you'll see so many small things that build into this. I've found that most people just don't like it because we don't want Nate to go down that path. We want him to be the nice guy who makes good. But this is more complex and probably the best writing the show has done besides how they deal with mental health issues and Ted's panic attacks.

[@mwalsh47]

I've seen you guys comment in a couple of episodes about the goalkeeper on penalty kicks and how bad they look. That's actually pretty common. Blocking a PK is one of the more difficult things to do in sports, and it usually relies on luck. The keeper pretty much has to guess which direction the shooter will kick it, and hope they guessed correctly.

[@Wiley_Coyote]

Countdown to Pat saying something dumb... 3... 2... 1... Edit - yup. His insistence that Sam seeing the kid playing made him think about Africa...

[@limonsoda]

Ey, ey, ey, Nate does need a therapist, and he is crazy, and he is definitely projecting someone else onto Ted...but he DID worked his ass off, and deserves to be there...Ted noticed him, but he didn't magically turned Nate into a great football strategist, he already was, but was always overlooked because of his lack of self confidence.

[@chrissoames3410]

I will say that Nate's turn makes a LOT more sense on a second watch of Season 2. His ego takes so many low-key hits throughout the season. And then of course Rupert is there at exactly the right (wrong) moment to push him over the edge.

[@staticmonkey8436]

Seraj’s anger towards Nate is sooooo similar to how I felt. He couldn’t be more ungrateful to what Ted has done for him. I remember seeing that final shot and literally saying out loud “I am so disappointed in you…..” Rebecca and Keely’s friendship is one of my favorite things in this show. It’s so genuine and you can tell they love each other immensely! Also, I LOVE how they have utilized Trent Crimm, especially in Season 3!

[@GDRaptorFan13]

And he was so tense and excited during the last two plays during the game he was using a fast talking high pitched squeaky voice and showed his nerves big time!!! I totally identify with that feeling, I get WAY too into sports in tv shows lol. I was also SO mad at Nate!

[@OniichanG59]

you guys not agreeing that nate didn’t work hard to get where he’s at is crazy. sure he’s a huge asshole this season but he definitely worked his ass off to get where he was. ted acknowledging him was the catalyst for sure but it’s not like nate didn’t deserve his flowers.

[@whatsnext5460]

I watched a video on this which explains Nate’s downfall. Really interesting fact, I can’t remember exactly when but for 90% of this season, ted and Nate never have a 1-1 conversation. That is where the abandonment feeling comes from

[@mlgnerd13]

I love that they're loving the show, but I do worry they're missing some of the themes "I was never going to let anyone get by me without knowing they might be hurting inside" - Nate has clearly been hurting since the show started. That doesn't excuse his actions of the last few episodes, but it does contextualize them, and its important to understand that rather than writing him off "Success isn't about the wins and losses" - Jamie was the best person to take the penalty show, and he knows that. But over the past two seasons, he's learned that giving Dani a chance to feel better about himself was worth more than the risk of losing the game

[@arwyss]

The confrontation in the locker room is the first time all season there was a scene with just Nate and Ted

[@notoriouslybratty]

Nate blowup is something that people have dealt with where a friend or colleague just explodes out of seemingly nowhere. Ted was kind but you can’t control how people can resent you for taking time to work on yourself instead of always meeting their needs.

[@jessicamagri8211]

I can’t agree with this more

[@TerryYelmene]

There's something wrong with Pat. All the angst, frustrations, and guesses about Nate and Westham is great -- Season 3 will surprise everyone!

[@ISavant]

He's a child

[@patrickwinter428]

I don't think he knows that Nate's with Westham. 25:11 He thinks it's Betway and that team sucks. :D

[@nadeeml9276]

When higgins was talking to Keeley, the first two things he said seemed like he was off, but he was purposefully exaggerating - 'oh because itll be like a betrayal on the level of a greek tragedy!', as in, 'it's not that bad' he was being roundabout to make he realize instead of telling her straight up. With Nate, that's the product of very low self esteem, an extremely fragile ego, where every perceived slight is like a HUGE deal, and A LOT of jealousy. Really brilliant writing with his character. This isn't a guy who Ted can just fix with one speech or conversation. Even his reason, that Ted gave him attention and then somehow 'abandoned' him, wow, wasn't expecting that. Very well written character

[@ISavant]

Right? Rebecca told nate what she does to give herself confidence, he took that advice and the thing Nate does is spit at his reflection. Spitting on someone is about the most disrespectful thing you can do to someone short of actual violence, so Nate *clearly* hates himself, but some idiots think it's just this weird gross thing he does.

[@nadeeml9276]

@@ISavant looool what? like a fetish?? hahahaha, no he definitely hates himself, he has a lot of issues

[@DBlairMusic]

The Pyramid of Success is a John Wooden creation, actually. He was head coach of UCLA basketball for 30+ years, easily one of the greatest sports franchises in the history of organized athletics: at any level and anywhere in the world. Their success was truly unfathomable. You can find a copy of it online; it has all the fundamental ingredients of a successful team. We saw Ted’s copy up on his wall, I guess it’s kind of a stereotypical coach thing. It was also hilariously parodied in Parks and Rec w/ the “Ron Swanson Pyramid of Greatness”.

[@callme2times]

The Pyramid of Success is from John Wooden, the greatest american sports coach of all time. He won 7 NCAA titles in a row in mens basketball. That means he won MARCH MADNESS 7 TIMES IN A ROW. In college where he had to recruit new players every year.

[@georgeparker8198]

When Ted came he immediately embraced Nate in a way he had never been embraced. Nate wasn't used to the attention and the appreciation. However thats just Ted's nature, and his affection for Nate in genuine he wasn't going to focus on Nate, he didn't know he needed to...but Nate didn't see it that way. He was absolutely creating a scenario in his head and warping the situation. I'm Very much looking forward to season 3 but I won't start watching until I can watch every episode

[@mlgnerd13]

Also, Nate is the most knowledgeable coach on the staff, and they all know it. You can dislike Nate, but he absolutely earned his place, and should be managing his own team

[@stpnwlf9]

The Pyramid of Success was created by legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden in the 60s when they won multiple back-to-back NCAA championships.

[@Alwhitem21]

Correct! It's also a play on the book 'Inverting the Pyramid' which is a book on the history of soccer tactics that you can see Beard reading in this episode (and in a few others!)

[@kJ922-h3j]

4:14 I’ve probably said this but that’s a signature of a manc (Manchester) accent, saying the end of words ending with y as “eh”, and that actor isn’t actually from Manchester, he does a very accurate accent and it’s one of our more difficult ones 😂

[@GDRaptorFan13]

It’s so perfect I love every word he says on this show! Especially names like Keeleh and (season 3) poopeh

[@ligiadantas2170]

15:03 I love this scene where Nate complains about his photo not being in Ted's office, for those who noticed, the photo is there in Ted's living room, it's a shame you didn't see it Nate.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

The first and last shots of this season are both close-up shots of Nate's face, showing his transition over the season from Nate the Great into the Grey-haired Villain of the piece. Some nice bookending.

[@ramsaybolton9817]

I absolutely love that they are all appalled by Nate’s character right now. I felt the same way when I first saw it. I remember thinking Nate was gonna need a zuko level redemption arc

[@afrarehman760]

I wanted to throw my laptop when I watched that episode hahaha i was so angry lol. And then throughout Season 3 I was like PLEASE PLEASE let him be somewhat nice and when he got into a relationship with the girl from the restaurant I was like okay I think from here we will see changes in Nate. But I still didn't forgive him by the end of the series. ;( what he did was so awful to Ted and the whole team.

[@cubonemaker5080]

Y’all need to tell Pat to shut up more often

[@patrickwinter428]

He's gonna act like Edwin Akufo being rejected by Sam if they did that.

[@ISavant]

Wow 10 seconds in and pat's already wrong. Why would rebecca care about ted having panic attacks when she was the very first person to notice, and help him through his first one?

[@ISavant]

also pat deciding "Now i like edwin akufo" after displaying that he's an erratic, emotionally stunted idiot, makes a whole lot of sense.

[@patrickwinter428]

​@@ISavant Brown Pat clearly isn't someone you would want to associate with IRL.

[@terrygracy8345]

If anyone is curious about the music from the show you can find the official play lists from all three seasons. They are great. Season 1 threw me down a number of great music rabbit holes. Cam Cole has a number of songs avail and they rock. I imagine they can be accessed other ways too. I was just very happy to find these songs all together

[@kelvinho2911]

25:15 Betway is the sponsor not the club. Nate is now managing a team called West Ham

[@ghoulhexa6461]

@Suraj, you said a penalty is 50/50, actually the penalty conversion rate is 80%. Theire are teams, that didn't missed for 9 years in a row. It is more an pressure thing, sometimes an penalty shootout goes 16-15 out because noone missed.

[@GapToothBitch]

Damn 80% is pretty good. Maybe Suraj meant 50/50 as in it will either go in the goal or not idk

[@Quzga]

@@GapToothBitch 50/50, either it happens or it doesn't

[@paul-juniorblack6151]

I haven't seen a penalty shoot out without a miss in the first 5 for years but yeah. A penalty has an xG of 0.77 so it is a 77% chancr of scoring or just 80

[@Cruzazulini]

About this episode’s title: Inverting The Pyramid is a book about the history of football tactics and formations. In fact, Coach Beard has been shown reading that book in many episodes.

[@H8B7L]

I love Nates turn to the Dark Side. And the last scene with that smug face was chefs kiss.

[@sofiyanali2489]

The season started with a closeup of Nate. Makes sense that that’s the last shot.

[@efrainlagunas]

I think the sad part is that Ted's whole philosophy requires Ted, but his own mental health needed to come first at some point. Like the Normies are showing and other reactors, knowing someone is insecure and understanding it are two completely different things. Nate got dependent on Ted and when Ted needed to focus on himself, Nate felt abandoned. All his insults and bullying Nate unleashed on Ted in that scene were just empty words that Nate got heated and lashed out with. It's not right, it's not fair and he does need to apologize, but someone like Ted can parse through it and wait for the apology because he's already forgiven him.

[@gaborkiss650]

At this moment Nate fully became Darth Vader and joined Palpatine.

[@DavidWilliams-nm5jv]

"Ted abandoning Nate" so, this obviously didn't happen from the audience's point of view. We know Ted has just been dealing with his own (big!) issues, but it was pointed out by Nick Mohammed in talking about season 2 that they intentionally did not have a single scene with just Ted and Nate talking together - only in group settings. And Ted several times brushes aside Nate or his ideas (like when Nate offered to help with Isaac). So, while WE know that Ted didn't abandon Nate, it makes some sense from Nate's POV. Of course, that DOES NOT excuse what he did, but it explains it somewhat...

[@orchidk518]

On top of which, there was Rupert whispering in Nate's ear. We only see it once at the funeral, but it may have happened many times. Probably telling Nate over and over that he deserves to be in charge.

[@DavidWilliams-nm5jv]

@@orchidk518 YES. Absolutely. Poison in the ear...

[@sophiawebster60]

Respectfully, I see where Nate is coming from. Ted got picked for this job without having a clue about the sport while Nate was getting a fifth of the attention for doing the actual strategizing which was just one instance of disrespect too many for him. Saying his feelings are wrong bc u don't agree with them is disregarding the whole message of Ted Lasso, "be curious not judgemental". I think the viewers and the Normies were in a similar boat because Ted lasso as a show has been focusing so much on other characters Nate's fallen to the sidelines, were basically in Teds position when hes confronted but instead of showing the same empathy and restraint for Nate you wanted Beard to fight him. As someone with anger issues I understand how easy it is to get worked up but Nate made points. I think it's interesting that we all extended kindness to Nate in season one when he was getting bullied but now that his personality has been negatively impacted by that bullying we turn on him. Even Ted had to notice how snarky and rude Nate has been all season and didnt say shit, essentially letting Will become a new Nate. Thats the sad thing is, I do think Ted has abandoned Nate because even if he didnt need encouragement he needed guidance, someone to help him realize he was on the wrong path, and nobody was there for him.

[@stpnwlf9]

You guys seriously need to get Pat a therapist. He is mentally unwell.

[@Zeliek]

Roy disregarding Nate's kiss must have been the worst thing I've seen done to a man's ego. He was so non-threatening to Roy and that would break anyone!!

[@mehlev]

Imo the reason Nate's behavior bothers us all so much comes down to a Taylor Swift-ism: "I don't think you should ever have to apologize for your excitement. The worst kind of person is someone who makes someone feel bad, dumb or stupid for being excited about something.”

[@shounak10]

17:08 LMAOOO Suraj's losing it.

[@Watchmytone]

Thanks to your reaction, I realized a connection. Nate is probably projecting his relationship with his father onto his relationship with Ted. Nate’s father abandoned him emotionally with his coldness and he misconstrued Ted’s occupancy with his own issues and having less attention to Nate versus the first season as that of Nate’s father’s lack of emotional connectedness

[@stevenrod100]

Yes, I like to imagine that everything he told Ted is what he wished he could say to his dad, and that's why I can't hate him even after everything.

[@ahambrahmasami9532]

​@@stevenrod100I never did either. I am so glad lot of us were able to see what was happening with Nate. Its a very common cultural thing among a huge Asian populace too

[@upsidedownwithkris6754]

well when Roy came back everyone praising Roy for his contribution, and nate felt sidelined, thats one of the reason

[@alexcrowley4557]

Don't know why Nate annoys people so much, I appreciate his rise to the dark side, liked it a lot. One of my favorite characters. :)

[@DB-dq1gf]

Just wanna point out that Ted believes his father killed himself because Ted didn't tell his father how important he was...so Nate saying that to Ted would have felt pretty devastating from Ted's perspective.

[@Bekka_Noyb]

I wanna punch Nate' - that was a common feeling amongst fans in S2. LoL @ Roy's 'singular feeling 😃 ♥ Keely & Rebecca's friendship! ♥ How invested you/we all are in the game/show! ♥ this show!

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

Suraj: "I don't know why Nate pisses me off so much." Because he reminds you of someone. 😉

[@NOHOPHOTO]

Been watching y'all since 2016. Love your takes and all you've done to grow your react biz. FYI...THE PYRAMID OF SUCCESS is a book and a philosophy of SUCCESS IN SPORTZ & LIFE developed by THE GREAT JOHN WOODEN. PLEASE GO READ IT, the chart at least. MANY GREAT COACHES & SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE hold this POS and JW in the highest regard. ❤

[@stevenrod100]

I get all the hate for Nate, but imagine everything he said to Ted he wanted to say to his dad.

[@ShawnLevasseur]

The title is a merging of two things seen in the background of the show. 1. The "Pyramid of Success" chart showing the values needed to build a successful team. 2. The book "Inverting the Pyramid: The History of Soccer Tactics" a book that Beard was reading at one point in the show

[@flyflorida2001]

There is significance to the Jersey Sam gets. It has him as number 10. Traditionally that is the star of the team, the main score producer. It’s the billionaire saying “this will be your team”.

[@nesrovlahsurvivalist8399]

Nate and Ted haven't had a one on one interaction since season 2 episode 1

[@joshuabarnett88]

Then not picking up Higgins' sarcasm...

[@AdamPFarnsworth]

Nate's villain arc was great!

[@DAVIDELLIOTT]

The root of Nate’s problem was Ted hiring Roy after hiring Nate. It was not that he felt threatened by Roy. He took it as an insult. Nate believes he is a tactical genius., and Ted promoting him was recognition of that. So why did Ted hire Roy? What does Roy bring to the table that Nate doesn’t? In Nate’s mind, absolutely nothing. Nate took it as a sign that Ted does not believe in Nate. In Nate’s mind, Ted has such little faith in Nate that they need help from a washed up ex player. That’s why Nate feels like Ted abandoned him.

[@ceremus]

The key for me to understanding wtf was going on with Nate this season was the spitting. We see it depicted twice to make sure it's underlined, but it's the first time in the restaurant bathroom that I think back to. Where he tries out Rebecca's trick of making himself bigger, but he doesn't feel it. What DOES work for him is spitting on his own image, of what he probably sees as the part of himself that is weak. A way to push himself forward and degrade what he sees of the meek and lovable Nate from season 1, so he can "be a man." Because he doesn't know how to express that part of himself in any kind of healthy way. Nate is a man who has been belittled in his professional life and minimized in his family and personal life, (fathers is the prominent theme of the season) and this sets him up as a ticking time bomb. Ted is possibly the one positive male role model that Nate's had in his life, but it's too little too late. He's overlooked and ignored by his father, he spent his career in a locker room being belittled and dominated by the footballers he's worked with, this is the majority of time where Nathan Shelly has learned how to "be a man." There's not much mystery then why he goes on to treat Colin and Will the way he does once he gets his own position of power. And that speech in the end. There's SO much of his speech that has nothing to do with Ted, like it's directed at someone else. (Again, fathers are the theme of the season.) "You abandoned me." "I worked my ass off trying to get your attention back." "Without me they would've shipped you off back to f**kin' Kansas where you belong *with your son*." His father doesn't show him attention or affection, never taught him how to be man in any kind of healthy way, and now Nate is expressing his masculinity in all of the unhealthy ways he's learned from everywhere else.

[@ahambrahmasami9532]

Thankyou for saying this, I felt exactly the same about Nate. That bathroom scene absolutely took me out. I instantly saw what was ofcourse with him . Yes, his father was to be blamed completely for never loving his son. I am glad they reconciled in the 3rd season. We all cried there ❤

[@AllCatsAreBlack]

There are so few reactors that get why nate is acting like that at the end of this seasons, so sad you guys didn't get it...also wtf with prateek, everything he predicts or understands from the show is wrong .-.

[@Mushruums]

I read “Europe Late” as “You’re a plate”. But I guess “You’re up late” makes more sense.

[@doooshebag]

everyone fast forward to 24:10... listen to the laugh... then out loud... say "WIPEOUT!"

[@mauriceharris1527]

The pyramid of success is philosophy of the HEAD COACH from the UCLA Basketball Team. I think his name was John Wooden.

[@helenledwith7016]

I was so mad at Nate too. He took his anger out on the one person who supported him the most. Just wait until the team finds out about the sign. It is a remarkable episode.

[@driezzy]

The channel "It Takes 2 Takes" did a great analysis on Nate during the two seasons.

[@celinelia8127]

yes, also the channeI "My little thought tree" made a similar on Nate, really awesome one

[@madebycarter]

I love that you guys are in Bloomington :)

[@celinelia8127]

Isaac and CoIin should shut up about beating up Nate - they made his life heII in season 1 and never apologized

[@mackenzie98]

I never went from loving a character so much to hating them so much than I have with Nate lol. The actor Nick is doing a great job, all the other actors say he is the nicest guy.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

"You're so judgey about her outfits" But also, "She does have a lot of forehead."

[@McBeelzebub]

Surag, just how much caffeine did you imbibe or inject just prior to this reaction?

[@Wiley_Coyote]

Ted has Nate's photo in his apartment. An even more prominent place. Nate full well knows Ted's had his problems this year. He KNOWS about the panic attacks. He just refuses to acknowledge what that means in terms of his father-figure paying less attention to him.

[@perryb2617]

Nate pissed me off just as much 👿

[@SuperScrubsfan]

its a shame they had Pat on these reactions. Just shouting absolutely moronic things.

[@gaelflores1272]

“Betway, that team sucks” - Pat

[@Crazyivan777]

"I'd be happy to headbutt you, Nate." (Beard's line). Keep that one in mind for next season.

[@paul-juniorblack6151]

3:20 Leaving a side thats about to be promoted to the Premier League to go and play in Africa when you are 21 is not good for his career. Its actually terrible. But thats football/soccer things I understand you wouldn't be into the sport enough to get

[@f.m.1683]

A Fact that makes you understand Nate a bit more: There has been no under 4 eyes talk between him and Ted since Ted barked at him in the hotel in Liverpool.

[@Cairo198]

guys, Ted gave Nate this opportunity but Nate helped Ted who is very bad at football. they owe each other, actually.

[@CaffeinatedKing]

Nate very much reminds me of one of those people who don't deserve to progress in the world, because the moment they do they start to show their true colors. I've known people just like this, where they're so pitiful until the moment they get a taste of success and then you start to realize something terrible has been unleashed on the world and others. It's super fucked up, but it does happen.

[@saltytrey]

Many times throughout this video I kept thinking, "Yall hate Nate now..."

[@kschneyer]

A person who has been starved for parental approval his whole life, like Nate, sees the lack of constant attention and approval as abandonment. As soon as Roy was there to take up some of Ted’s attention and love, Nate felt deserted and slapped. Of *course* it’s his own issue, but it takes a lot of maturity & perspective to see that. Nate was persistently infantilized until Ted met him. You don’t throw all that off in a season and a half, not without help.

[@gavinkistner772]

I love how angry you were at Nate. 100%.

[@davidwhite8793]

The Pyramid of Success is credited to John Wooden, the UCLA coach. It is a pyramid of successful behaviors...

[@sofiyanali2489]

I highly recommend watching It Takes 2 Takes’ videos on Nate’s arc this season.

[@oldbacde7957]

About the description of the video: Richmond is promoted in the Premier League from the EFL Championship. You mixed the name of the two leagues.

[@Quzga]

I think Nate is the most unlikable character I've seen since Ollie in Game Of Thrones, both start of seeming good and then you end up wanting to choke em.. Also weirdly similar to Anakin going to the dark side

[@moslemhasirbaf2388]

pyramid of success is John Wooden, not freaking Kobe🙄

[@artboymoy]

IMO, Nate the character dyed his hair because seeing someone with gray hair being a kit man would make it seem like he was too old to be a kit man. Once Nate got promoted, I feel his self confidence grew and he felt like he didn't need to do that anymore. So by the end of the season, he's looking more like his normal self. But, I could be wrong. Ted was taking the place of Nate's father with showing attention and giving him positive reinforcement. Now Rupert has got his claws into Nate. Sad to see Roy and Keeley on the rocks.

[@Strider91]

Actually, I watched the whole series once. . .then when I told my family about it, I watched it all agian. . . And pretty much from season 1 Ep 7. . . You can see Nate subtly decline and turn inwards. Then, in true to life fashion it seems to all explode at the end. I felt blind sided about it like you guys did. But then upon re-watching I was like. O shit, there it is. And theres another. . .and another.

[@MikeHawksBig69]

Is season 3 on their Patreon?

[@ravenclaw1848]

The conversation between ted and Nate is also kind of parallel to god and Lucifer..

[@brl0522]

That guy on the end is so unbelievably immature its gross

[@santhoshnanjundarao2887]

An American football coach is hired to manage a British soccer team; what he lacks in knowledge, he makes up for in optimism, determination and biscuits.

[@noelleirina5628]

They didn't win the game, it was a tie. you can't win with ties "overseas". they just earned enough points to be promoted

[@Pancake_ice_420]

I still think seeing the last light in Nate diminish is cool.

[@cruzefx3652]

Nate is so hatable this season that not even Pat is on his side, that says a lot