History vs. Che Guevara - Alex Gendler

[@TEDEd]

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[@kevinlane1219]

I think Che should've been judged by both. In other words, they should've been weighed carefully. Afterall, that's why Lady Justice carries a scale, to weigh both sides of one story. Also, I think he was merely a misguided anti-hero, like Red Hood or Richmond Valentine. They didn't need to die, they needed only another way.

[@J1P2K]

I want to see more History VS videos.

[@SWATDRUMMUH]

TED-Ed any thoughts on Vlad the impaler?

[@tayro480]

TED-Ed can you pls make a video about Sultan Ahmed the conqueror?

[@U097677]

!is it possible for me to translate the video into Arabic? there seems to be no such an option in the video

[@Professicchio]

Remember: the difference between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" merely relates to which side the person using the word is on and not much else.

[@maddogbasil]

Nah Its which side history is on And remember history is only written by the winners Capitalists won so I guess che Guevara is a murderer

[@trent_k]

@@maddogbasil it also depends on who writes the textbooks, in Cuba the textbooks probably have Che as a hero and the CIA as murders. What this video does well, in my opinion, is show how both the US (or “capitalist”) and the Cuban versions of history are insufficient, both sides are needed to provide a true perspective

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@maddogbasil William Wallace wrote his story and he lost the war so not ONLY winners.

[@bigploppa154]

i would agree except when it comes to harming civilians. if you intentionally harm civilians youre a terrorist point blank period. che guevarra is a terrorist

[@Professicchio]

@@bigploppa154 Sure, like the US or any other "regular" army has never deliberately harmed civilians, have they?

[@MistaFadora]

His young version looks like the dad of the powerpuff girls

[@monster-he8hw]

😹😹

[@MatthewFrazierr]

dad? you mean the Professor? hehe

[@540jade]

Was just about to comment that

[@АдамКеннон-н8з]

I was about to say that! Beat me to it.

[@darthutah6649]

and samurai jack

[@SantiagoGomez-cx6el]

I always get angry at the way the Cuban missile crisis is viewed as if the Cubans were responsible, the American missiles in Turkey are never talked about as the real cause. Amazing

[@agentprismarine2778]

@Lot Krotan us was the aggressor. USSR tried to level the playing field. Also the blockade by us was illegal by international law which doesn't help US's case

[@alphadoughnut2651]

@@agentprismarine2778 when it comes to the Cold War, the aggressor is determined by how many years you go back.

[@theamazingyoutubewatchergu6838]

You’re either speaking on something that you do not truly understand with no ill intent at best, and spouting lies intentionally misrepresenting history at worst. So which is it?

[@BattlestarZenobia]

Not to mention the terrorist war the US waged against Cuba and the signals that convinced the Soviets that the US was going to illegally invade the island to topple the regime

[@1mnot4rrogant90]

It’s because America is the brain of all nations and determines mosts beliefs

[@GeneralDonato]

Fun fact: Che Guevara is the only person in this series that judging by age only, he technically could still be alive today (he would be 94 now)

[@TheBeatlesShow]

Really? Well, I just learned something new

[@atticuswilson8816]

exept that his body was found but still a cool thought.

[@BackRowViewer]

​@@atticuswilson8816 "judging by age only"

[@parithiilamaaran.h9829]

Bro but he had asthma right

[@mssn3166]

it's best he stays dead. He caused a lot of deaths and damage in different countries.

[@FeederBot]

"They would use the fear of communism to overthrow any government that threatened those profits" Yep, that's post-WW2 American history in a nutshell

[@rickrolld1367]

Sums it up pretty well

[@ILaunchNukes]

Would you rather be held at gunpoint for saying your president sucked a little?

[@icecreamjesse6549]

@@ILaunchNukes yes.

[@kylehayden3113]

@@ILaunchNukes You mean McCarthyism?

[@mateotierno3780]

​@@ILaunchNukes after the U.S. intervention in Argentina a lot of people said that their governor sucked a little. It is estimated that 30 thousand people dissappeared during that time period and some of those had their babies taken as basically prizes. Every intervention United States made here screwed up our country so please don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.

[@JJ-zr1wf]

You left out the part where he rap battled Guy Fawkes

[@botondmatrai1366]

Guevara the terror, fresh kangol wearer...

[@liberalconservative3178]

@@botondmatrai1366 ill rhyme slayer from the 60s era

[@trueking69]

Revolting, heavy metal rebel blood spiller

[@afnaansyed5975]

@Elizabeth Abraham I'm known worldwide for my steely eyed look

[@afnaansyed5975]

@@user-ny7tt8my1r All the children say "we will be like Che!"

[@youtubergamer976]

Latin America: does anything Cia: now that's an avengers level threat

[@realdragao6367]

USA being USA

[@wvvwwvwvv]

Does nothing? Ah yes, the innocent Latin American, they've never tried to rule their countries as dictatorships...they'd be the same way as the US they're just mad they didn't do it first.

[@letsplaywithmegacyborg3098]

What they did wasn't nothing

[@TheBeatlesShow]

@@wvvwwvwvv Because the US has installed no dictatorships in Latin America.

[@totsukatrap8959]

@@wvvwwvwvv usa needs to mind their business

[@lysmrtz]

why doesn’t the judge know anything about the cases

[@pipelayer859]

True

[@alexanderfarah]

I think the judge represents the viewer who is learning about the subject at hand

[@Ypog_UA]

because justice is blind

[@badtuber1654]

because this is communist indoctrination

[@Ypog_UA]

@@badtuber1654 that's a really bad take to have considering they used equal amount of points from each side. if you think it's biased to one side, that's the side you think is correct.

[@deelie0473]

My grandpa was friends with him, his name was mentioned in his diary at one point but very briefly. My dad never met him however my uncle did and he gave him this camp set of a fork, knife and spoon in a metal container, which the entire family used every time they went camping for school haha. My grandpa went to jail for associations with him and communist related things, idk. Apparently during the time of his search, the letters exchanged between him and my grandpa were buried under my aunts house that was being built in Bolivia at the time. I wish i could go just demolish the house and look for those letters but i don't have much say in the family , especially living far away.

[@simplylife2544]

Please do it!

[@padrao4099]

If you had it now. There would not be any biased information about him. I really want to know the truth about this person.

[@facundocadaa9020]

@@padrao4099 he has a diary or something, look it up if you want

[@facundocadaa9020]

Also. jessica, demolish that house and make history

[@foreverduke4059]

Do it, or tell someone who can do it. You are just another human out of 7 Billion humans, you have no value, but if you manage to get those letters out you will redefine/update history and how people view Che Guevara while also becoming part of history yourself. You have a choice. A choice to alter history. Don't throw it away.

[@sergiolobato1798]

In Gueveras memoir he recalled when he was in a meeting with other regional leaders and Castro was rambling on with one of his famous long speeches. Che admits he was becoming a bit distracted at one point Castro says, do we have a real economist among us?! Che raised his hand and was appointed the new head of Revolutionary Banking and Finance. Che later admits he misheard the request and thought Fidel asked "Do we have a real Communist among us?

[@molotovmafia2406]

Me in class every time😂 idk what to think about che but he's reletable

[@isgodreal1337]

He said "real economista" then?

[@dracotitanfall]

@Phi6er Marx was literally an economist with a degree

[@Travis-wn1xc]

@Phi6er can you disprove marx?

[@Travis-wn1xc]

@Phi6er ok send it

[@davidd2928]

90% of all US media (print,tv,internet,radio) is controlled by 6 companies. So I'd argue Che was correct in claiming that newspapers are instruments for the Oligarchy. Even if it wasn't true then it is exactly what happened. That being said there are certainly better ways of fixing the issue than abolishing the freedom of the press. These alternatives however, would certainly be labeled as communist in the US by the institutions they seek to change.

[@TWE_2000]

Bro you literally have access to every possible news source and opinion there is on the device you're using right now. You spend every minute of the rest of your life watching, reading, and listening to different news reports and not have covered 1% of what available.

[@sygneg7348]

@@TWE_2000 And I'd ask you to take a better look at Western media and develop critical thinking before you write this comment. In the West, propaganda and misinformation is widespread. Data is cherry picked and broken apart to obscure true events, and small but negative things are blown out of proportion and made to look like the entire thing is bad, without focusing on the good side. Facts are misinterpreted and depicted in a different way to the actual event, changing the meaning as a whole and Western media is heavily biased towards the right and will do anything to disregard the left (I'm not a Democrat and I do not support them - they are a center-right political party).

[@crimsonqueen751]

​@@TWE_2000yet, only 6 companies own the news you're talking about. Did you even bother to read?

[@criostaneos1390]

​@@TWE_2000not true, news are spoon feed to you on social media in a "bubble" so you dont get to see other persoectives, just the ones you were taught to agree with since you were young

[@sergiosyber]

@@crimsonqueen75110% isn’t. if you actually care about the truth it’s not hard to find it.

[@ngocongdung7069]

"Should revolutions be judged by their ideals or their outcomes ?" We judge revolutions by their ideals, and judge governments by their outcomes. If not, the French Revolution was absolutely meaningless to this world.

[@blistering2900]

Nice observation.

[@panagiotisfouk2290]

It wasn't because of France greek revolution against ottoman happened and many others

[@panagiotisfouk2290]

Greece revolution happened because of France and other revolutions too

[@TheTheThe_]

Makes sense

[@PauloGarcia-sp5ws]

Great comment.

[@luissanchez723]

Latin American: * breathes * CIA: *ThAt BeTtEr Be A fReEdOm BrEaThE*

[@luissanchez723]

@Steven Andrade I know that already....

[@luissanchez723]

@Steven Andrade Do you have AD?

[@Gorgon_Gorgon]

Che Guevara: kills 105 people random youtube commenter: 👏👏👏

[@luissanchez723]

@@Gorgon_Gorgon The Cubans did it. Che wanted them to go to court but over 90% wanted them to be executed

[@WarCrimeGaming]

@Steven Andrade That first comment was a joke if you didn't get it.

[@chusty93]

he was a very cultivated man despite anything that can be said about him. in fact, some cia reports said "he was quite intelligent for a latinamerican", which also says something about united states' perception of latinamericans.

[@pcgamerz3081]

angd eini or maybe he was smart because he went to school and became a doctor?

[@adin4028]

@angd eini he's smart because he has Irish blood?

[@stardust5322]

angd eini He was smart because he was Argentinian, well educated and from a privileged position. Also, he was able to put all of his knowledge in practice.

[@jackdanila9893]

Los latinoamericanos no son muy inteligentes, si no nunca hubiesen dejado entrar a los españoles pensando que eran dioses jajajajaja por dios

[@martinorlando6609]

@@jackdanila9893 Argentina es un pais con mas Europeos que indigenas, eso que mencionas es equivocado muchos indigenas ya sabian que los españoles querian conquistar y resistieron por poco tiempo porque los españoles tenian mejor armamento y trajieron enfermedades de Europa

[@toontrooper4103]

"And the statue of Lumumba, destroyed today but rebuilt tomorrow, reminds us of the tragic story of martyrdom of global revolution. That you cannot trust imperialism, not even for a minute. Not even a little." - Che

[@chinabluewho]

So put your faith in fascist communism and live under a dictatorship where freedom of the press and elections for a new leader are unknown.

[@noahpauley]

I was just listening to this speech!

[@jeffreygao3956]

Why would anyone listen to that bozo’s speeches or even THINK of getting his merchandise?

[@jeffreygao3956]

Why would anyone listen to his speeches? His merch stinks!

[@jacques.cousteau]

lmao lumumba ended up being fed to pigs and che guevara had so much lead in his frail body he had to be put in the metal recycling bin

[@jahsiahbowie1120]

“Newspapers are the instruments of the oligarchy” **cough** Jeff Bezos, Rupert Murdoch, and Mark Zuckerberg **cough**

[@markopolo3435]

And where does FascistBook, twitter, Google and co fall in the scheme of things?

[@itsjustamaziah9509]

@@markopolo3435 suppression of freedom of speech and free thought. Newspapers were controlling of the mind.

[@markopolo3435]

@@itsjustamaziah9509 ARE, same as the big tech companies. In Australia the federal government has taken on FascistBook. I don't think Biden would be happy about that.

[@itsjustamaziah9509]

@@markopolo3435 Of course not.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@markopolo3435 he literally said Zuckerberg dude. relax

[@SirPhoenixofSoCal]

Someone from southern america wanting to become a revolutionist CIA: *So you have chosen death*

[@onetwo-ty6cc]

yep, cuopes supported by CIA also kill people down here :)

[@王珂-k7d]

so are Middle East and South Asia

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Pesky Pickle the cia doesn’t sound like good people

[@phollywood9650]

one two Nobody has a bigger body count than communism. They will gladly add you to that statistic for speaking up against them.

[@christianmorales8978]

Ah yes the revolutionary who killed thousands and established a dictatorship... what a nice guy

[@mr.turtle3585]

This series show how complicated history, and people are

[@allavishka]

True. True. But I have briefly examined the comments - & I may reasonably say: most peolpe are as simple as ABC; thick as a brick, as simple as pork chop, as easy as old Tilly.

[@sagnikray138]

@@allavishka True. True.

[@sagnikray138]

@Flow Baby *shows

[@kimobrien.]

@Egg T No this video is an example of TED Ed Propaganda. TED Ed Half truths not worth spreading.

[@agthaog1986]

that and also the complexity of the colored diaspora

[@vadarman9906]

Love how one of the points the prosecutor makes is "Cuba gaining widespread literacy was bad, actually, cause then they'd become communists" lol

[@uriahvoltairealt]

He makes a good point. What good is literacy if the government controls what you can read.

[@darugdawg2453]

in the east e call it reeducation

[@dropyourself]

@@uriahvoltairealt I'm sorry but this has to be a joke, right?

[@dropyourself]

@@darugdawg2453 oh I didn't know that reeduction was when you brought up literacy rates, I thought it was the thing you did to Nazis scientists so they could move to the US and to indigenous people so you could commit cultural genocide

[@uriahvoltairealt]

@@dropyourself no. Bragging about literacy in a state that controls what you can and can't read is antithetical to actual education. They want people to be able to consume propoganda. Not inform themselves.

[@fahoodie1852]

3:35 they talk as if most countries at that time treated their lgbt communities any better

[@makeromaniagreatagain9697]

I think that's one of the few good things Che did

[@mysteriousmuffin6017]

Make Romania great again Why?

[@toolongforyoutoread6]

@@mysteriousmuffin6017 Bigotry.

[@randomhuman2595]

nazbol

[@fahoodie1852]

People Health Truth But my point still stands. They were persecuted in most countries at that time, so it’s not a legitimate ‘criticism’

[@Cybersomnia]

Latin America: *does anything * The United States: I N I T I A T E P R O J E C T F R E E D O M E A G L E

[@cristi713]

Nice pfp. Such a good game series

[@_ok1735]

Snake? SNAAAAKE!

[@nodonot7929]

Ca caw caw

[@davidepasinelli8659]

BROFORCE GO GO GO

[@Alb3rť-4]

It’s sickening!! Eeuu is a 3 world,dress as a 1st!! Eeuu needs to mind their business

[@bruhsselsprouts3986]

Very funny how he’s ended up on a lot of t shirts and other stuff like that which only boosts capitalism

[@DefyDistrict]

I have an assortment of Che and i was given all of it for free at rally's. Also you literally comment that because you watched an epic rap battle LUL. If you watched the video you'd realize hes much more a revolutionist symbol than a communist symbol.

[@Sun-Tzu-]

And Stalin was a bank robber, because someone uses something for capitalist gain, it doesn't mean it loses any of it's Communist symbolism.

[@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482]

@@Sun-Tzu- >Stanning robbery

[@Sun-Tzu-]

@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 Sorry?

[@Sun-Tzu-]

@jimmy just jeremy Are you proud that the entirety of your education on a subject comes from a rap?

[@milkloverenterprises3367]

I've never heard the Ted-Ed narrator do different accents and voices. This is truly a life changing experience

[@solodolotrevino]

The counterpoint guy is definitely modeled after Ben Shapiro

[@twally87]

why is he the "counterpoint guy" and not the other?

[@deg1studios]

@@twally87 because he's the one trying to counter the other. the other guy is basically driving the conversation whenever the judge doesn't intervene with a question.

[@eliaslopez8686]

It's fitting since what he says is absolutely right

[@Saber23]

no wonder his points are bad and he has no logical arguments only emotional ones truly ridiculous

[@deg1studios]

@@Saber23 I'm afraid that most people give emotional arguments far more weight than logical ones. Its a sad world when democracy, as good as it is compared to the alternative, is whats holding us back most of the time.

[@4idenn]

"But this isn't the trial of Fidel Castro, is it?" Best line.

[@ArmandoMoran1]

He famously said that History will absolve him

[@blackmage1691]

Yup, its against the guy who installed him into power and put millions into poverty, and attempted to do the same elsewhere.

[@francoischaussures8461]

@@ArmandoMoran1 not guevara but castro

[@randomz8065]

you should hear the next line after that, dimwit

[@shrektheintelllectual3615]

Also these so called “camps” are literally no different from what is currently in order in US. The only “inhumane” act for punishing these counter revolutionaries is that they dont get paid. Also a very small number of people sctually went there. The camp talk is just standard left anticmmunismpt propaganda

[@Personmr]

4:25 you forgot the part where the US put Missiles in Turkey and Italy.

[@techissus7449]

Yeah, the missiles were a response to that, the Soviets offered them, they just accepted

[@k0mentator507]

@@techissus7449 usa put missiles first

[@techissus7449]

@@k0mentator507 that's what I said

[@andrefrazao9245]

and they had put first (US)

[@dosran5786]

uh no turkey and italy put missles in turkey and italy unlike communists we dont establish puppet governments

[@kevinloveshistory7353]

On several of my visits to Bolivia, I remember seeing pictures of Guevara in many places. He was very known around these parts especially from my dad. However I myself haven't known much about him besides labels like revolutionary or extremist so I came to this video with an open mind. Here's my conclusion, while I don't agree with several of his actions and tactics, I think I would mostly be on his side because of how greedy and tyrannical the United States was on Latin America which he had the difficult task of matching. Although as I said, his heart may have been in the right place and he did do a lot of good in those nations, its just he did make some very questionable choices as well.

[@zac5572]

There’s no evidence of any mistakes he had made really besides becoming the economics minister

[@aaronjobe606]

My friend, a revolution is not a dinner party. It is a struggle to the death between the old world and the new world.

[@mayrabuxareo3912]

He is a Latin American Hero, I'm from Argentina and here is a hero too

[@kevinloveshistory7353]

@@aaronjobe606 that's a very fair and valid point

[@kevinloveshistory7353]

@@mayrabuxareo3912 that's cool

[@Schmidty030]

"A trendy symbol of rebellion for those who never had to live under his regime." Confederate flag has entered the chat*

[@fishcakez]

literally. republicans fly it and they say this is Abraham lincon's legacy...

[@ramim7256]

@@fishcakez THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE LMAO CONFEDERATES ARE NOW THE DEMOCRATS

[@fishcakez]

@@ramim7256 yea that was my point they don't make sense

[@rickrolld1367]

@@ramim7256 Confederates _were_ Democrats, but in the late 20th Century in America the parties stances on social issues flipped, so today Democrats want to make trans people equals and have equal access to voting while Republicans don't want that while denying that they don't want that.

[@beyondgaming8892]

@@rickrolld1367 debunked that in middle school. its not true at all that the parties flipped and that conjecture you presented about the trans people has nothing to do with anything.

[@niceprofile-k6i]

“Newspapers are the tools of the oligarchs” Checks out tbh

[@dkgamers1385]

Check TRT world

[@numairx6034]

@@dkgamers1385 all indian news channels

[@dkgamers1385]

@@numairx6034 yes

[@noxiousnc8552]

Check WaPo, NYT.. U will learn a lot about how oligarchs work.. Under the garb of free speech, they peddle narratives which suits their agenda.. Someone brought Indian media in this conversation but he completely ignores how the elites of The hindu, Indian Express, Hindustan Times spreads a leftist narrative in the name of being neutral..

[@coderdbd]

They still are.

[@fffianist]

3:10 wait what? They did have fair trials spanning several months that were described as "above board, if summary" with lawyers, prosecutors, witnesses and an attending public. No executions were passed for civilians, only members of the police or military. And Che urged the judges to be scrupulous about weighing the evidence in each case. If the accused had simply hit a prisoner, they of course wouldn't be executed. The death sentence was reserved for war crimes. And look, I'm generally against the death sentence, but I suspect the people here accusing the new Cuban government of brutality don't hold the same opinion about the Nuremberg trials or even the death sentences passed in America to this day

[@fffianist]

books.google.com.au/books?id=YdTbD0w2cGMC&pg=PA387&lpg=PA387&dq=anderson+che+guevara+%22several+hundred+people+were%22&source=bl&ots=1w_XBMNPBj&sig=ACfU3U2Hizv0Vgv8MNmmHnZ0s79fMQV_7Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjV89O6qtDjAhWOe30KHS0jC5MQ6AEwAnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=anderson%20che%20guevara%20%22several%20hundred%20people%20were%22&f=false

[@zacharyshaw6306]

What do you expect from a video that goes Cuba bad, while bringing up the fact that Batista was a dictator and doesn't even bring up things like the Bay of Pigs. The US was literally trying to reinstall a dictatorship, and there were absolutely spies and counterrevolutionaries that were funded by the CIA and the US.

[@darkmantlestudios]

@@zacharyshaw6306 BuT tHe Us SuPpOrTs DeMoCrAcY

[@savyskunk6683]

@Donald Trump steal? The u.s didn't had laws that prohibited corporate to monopolize and organize "KILLING". Trump supports had responded " We are not responsible for the death and refugees in the Americas" but the banana company using American money to cause this people to take corporate and individual privite land

[@savyskunk6683]

@Donald Trump I'm against Trump

[@Arhatu]

The was a doctor that cured poor people for free. The fought for freedom and equality. He sacrificed himself for a better world. He was a hero if anybody ever was.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Sounds like someone with bad taste in merchandise!

[@lukasphotiou2445]

He also helped dismantle the livelihood of Cuba. Because of his "courageousness", Cuba is far worse off than the rest of North America.

[@Arhatu]

@@lukasphotiou2445 Cuba is better than most even if it is under USA siege condemned by UN.

[@neh1234]

​@@Arhatu Ever went to Cuba? And I don't mean the Cuba tourist guides show you but ever walked in cuban streets? entered cuban stores and talked to cuban people? A friend of mine went there for his cardiology residency. He came back with horror stories about life there. I myself went there for a month. Guides try to paint you the story of the wonderful corageous revolution but life outside the fancy hotel in la Habana tells another story. Cuba is a struggling country, even moreso than its neighbors. Not saying that America isn't partly at fault for what's going on there, because, like most Center America countries you can trace back a lot of the misfortune going on there to dear Uncle Sam treating Latin America as his backyard, thing that the people tacitly still encourage to this day regardless of whether they vote red or blue from their ivory towers, deciding what's good or bad about countries they can't even recognize in a world map.

[@Arhatu]

@@neh1234 Yes I lived there and they have better life standarts compared to more than half of capitalist countries.

[@Orikron]

Oh, I know Che Guevara, that's the guy who makes T-Shirts!

[@yakamna]

seriously 🤔

[@petitnicollas]

Hasta las camisetas siempre

[@emmanuellehmann9836]

Isn't that Fidel Castro.

[@existencedefieslogic9658]

I think I'm missing something. Are they found in US?

[@petitnicollas]

"You get a shirt and you get a shirt. Everybody gets a shirt" Guevara, Che 1968

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

Wait, so we're just skipping the part of the Cuban missile crisis where Americans stationed nukes in Turkey first?

[@henryleonardo3544]

IndigoRage yea this is the the version of his story not necessarily just history

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@The Yangem Considering the topic is supposed to be History VS and the pro-Che side uses outside context in other situations, it seems like they just allow the anti-Che side to have that point when it's presented out of context.

[@alexis3170]

This. Soviet leader at the time was actually pretty reasonable and all he ever did was respond to american provocation.

[@SLO-Ride]

Well, except for that "..we will bury you.." comment to the UN.

[@d2xr]

Yes because this is obviously U.S propaganda

[@arthurmorgan3260]

The US had missiles in Turkey though.

[@vietthanhbui5964]

@@thescrublord9467 Man the US did it first

[@elenwen5784]

That’s a story for another day

[@thescrublord9467]

@@vietthanhbui5964 Ah fair enough then, my bad must've gotten confused.

[@thescrublord9467]

@Arda Al My bad brother.

[@markus3533]

@@thescrublord9467 you just accepted your mistake and manned up? what happened to the youtube comment section

[@nolovelost3981]

“He claimed that newspapers were instruments of the Oligarchy” Hmmmmm… 🤔. Can’t really disagree with him there.

[@szynszylku1447]

so let's just ban all newspapers with goverment newspaper? How is it any better than oligarchy

[@nolovelost3981]

@@szynszylku1447 if the government is controlled by the oligarchy (people who control the monetary funds of a country), than the newspapers are technically already under government control. That being said, It isn’t about having to choose between government and oligarchy because there considered the same thing. However, the goal for Guevara and most communists during the period was to push out the oligarchy who controled the monetary system and propaganda and place them under there own control in order to push their communist agenda which was to replace the capitalist monetary system with the communist monetary system. I simply agreed with Guevaras claim, doesn’t mean i agree that Communism is less cruel than capitalism.

[@panagiotisfouk2290]

@@nolovelost3981 I mean if you look at Stalin he wasn't a man that he would gave his life for people to live free instead he saw that as a opportunity to command people to die for him

[@panagiotisfouk2290]

@@nolovelost3981 Gorbachev that many Russians hate him because he supposedly broke the ussr he gave other countries freedom to choose their own governments instead of puppet government of ussr he was more open minded

[@porky8001]

@@panagiotisfouk2290 look at what he caused, look how the people of the ex-soviet republics live compared to the USSR, no healthcare, unemployement, conflicts because of nacionalism, oligarchies. He caused a lot of suffering

[@ranojoymazumder2857]

As an Indian...I can feel the suppression and tortures on Cubans under Imperialism...even today India is growing slowly as a pro capitalist and in the hands of the corporates, where the farmers are left with no rights and eventually commit suicide...It's happy to see the farmers revolting in the roads, long live Revolution

[@MartinRichardi]

Yeah long live holodomor and the famine in china, your country will be next whit those ideas

[@shotgundotlol]

Hey! Comrade bhai!

[@vistor5376]

long live people's war in india

[@foreverduke4059]

Viva la revolution !

[@eenrich9116]

Long live the never ending revolt of the proletariat

[@wonderlandtrailers]

I love the History vs... Series! Glad to see another video!

[@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672]

Blossom we need 20 more of these videos

[@KD-lx1cr]

What was the first one I didn't see it ?

[@DrewHengy]

Blossom history vs Tokugawa Ieyasu anyone?

[@sahilhassan8538]

History vs Julius Caesar, pls

[@kellydepaz525]

History vs. Alberto Fujimori would be great

[@SuperSuperOfficial]

2:07 Godfather II

[@ghostxxx3245]

SuperSuper kya bhaat ha bhi aap har jaga ha

[@salahal-saleh3076]

You broke my heart Fredo

[@tdfern1]

SuperSuper ahhh I see what you did there.

[@laughsngasps]

lmfao that's what I was thinking

[@markperacullo7541]

*enter the godfather theme*

[@anthonyfrias5533]

"Comdem me it does not matter, history will absolve me" -Fidel castro

[@ezefinkielman4672]

But this isn’t the trial of Fidel Castro

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Mussolini said something similar

[@anthonyfrias5533]

@@NoName-hg6cc what was it he said

[@jeffreygao3956]

Well Castro proved wrong!

[@HandyDandy6]

@@jeffreygao3956 my guy this happened last century, history moves on a different pace then human minds comprehend

[@ecashman]

"The difference between the revolutionary and the terrorist lies in the reason for which each fights. For whoever stands by a just cause and fights for the freedom and liberation of his land from the invaders, the settlers and the colonialists cannot possibly be called terrorist, otherwise the American people in their struggle for liberation from the British colonialists would have been terrorists; the European resistance against the Nazis would be terrorism, the struggle of the Asian, African and Latin American peoples would also be terrorism, and many of you who are in this Assembly hall were considered terrorists." ~Yasser Arafat, speaking to the UN General Assembly in 1974

[@David-qv9yy]

gold

[@David-qv9yy]

@Ger Many You got me stuck between a rock and a hard place. Trump failed to sign peace deal with Afganistan . We are failing to end wars even in pandemics. That's risking everyone's life. Are isis not terrorisr? What do they fight for? Do the ends really justify the means? Or, have they been corrupted by their own twisted ideology of how to interpret their holy book? You think in pandemics like this one we'd strive for world peace at it.

[@67buick]

So pol pot isn’t a terrorist?

[@syedshuja110]

@@David-qv9yy every one know how create isis or talebans

[@joelstravels8732]

One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist I guess

[@andrewmly9834]

“Shoot, coward. You are only killing a man.” -The last words of Che Guevara

[@MrCat-hu7ry]

R.I.P

[@Maheshbabu-gt1jp]

@swagMEISTER he doesn't mean that they are his last words. he means that they can kill Che but not his ideals

[@vishwajithlk4362]

@swagMEISTER It was released in a book and an interview

[@HauntedHarmonics]

@swagMEISTER It was a CIA operative posing as a Bolivian soldier. Name was Félix Rodríguez

[@schoolstablet100]

@swagMEISTER **by the Washington post** kinda contradicting yourself there and what makes this his true last words his persona doesn't even line up with it

[@neo967]

"Face it Ernesto, You're Castro but less so, He's a Cuban Commander, You're more of a Destro" Edit: Thanks for the 1k likes

[@saamil637]

Why tho using dem ERB linez

[@mariusmynter4403]

Revolt all you want, I don't give two Guy Fawkes

[@koji6745]

I dont get the destro part

[@koji6745]

@syed musa thanks!

[@johnnytopside9215]

"But look at Venezuela what your fighting for sucks"

[@sashal1658]

"...raised Cuba's literacy rate to 96% ... which allow the government to control what information everyone received" How can you conclude that? Can anyone help me explain the causal relations here?

[@si91]

Because the Cuban government censors its media. It promotes literacy so that its people can read government propaganda and only that.

[@bjarca3639]

It means that on one side he helped the people by educating them but on the other he helped capitalism because “newspapers are tools of the oligarchs “

[@Maxi_Friedrich]

Literacy rate is not really useful when the only thing that you can read is propaganda of the totalitarian regime in which you live.

[@GY-bd9bo]

the people were taught to read so they could read government propaganda. they were given radios so they could hear government propaganda. it was a good thing done for selfish reasons. that's what was meant by that statement.

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Turns out that when people are capable of reading the Bible they no longer depend on priests and cease to be perfect Catholics that obey said priests interpretations. When the Cubans learned to read they were now capable of reading about what happened in the past and present both inside and outside the island. They could read the books they wanted and it just turns out that there is a clear correlation between having access to knowledge and becoming a revolutionary when it comes to opressed people.

[@PowersOfDarkness]

"As long as Uncle Sam is against you, you know you're a good man." - Malcolm X

[@oscarjakimovskiprivat8081]

facts

[@peaks781]

@@theEWDSDS yessir 🥶 communism>everything else

[@theEWDSDS]

@@peaks781 commies want to ruin the world

[@SC-in5jm]

*people starving at ex-soviet or ex-communist countries*: I'm dying a good guy at least?

[@oscarjakimovskiprivat8081]

@@SC-in5jm the Soviet union and communist countries weren't at fault for the starvation in the 90s, Yeltsin and other capitalist oligarchs were the ones to privatize Russia and the rest, leading to poverty and starvation. Yeltsin and his oligarchs were at fault, not the USSR.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

His face is immortalized, that's for sure

[@kellysahadew-lall1189]

kirby march Barcena 😂😂i got ur joke

[@rigeleisenheim8860]

did he kill anyone?

[@genghiskhan6809]

rigel eisenheim yep, more than he can remember, somewhere around 100-300 himself.

[@lalagirl5846]

And commercialised too!

[@jamesmonroe9464]

Yep, on the shirts of edgy college students

[@thefrenchkiwi9435]

You should do history vs Winston Churchill next.

[@eriktillman8114]

That would be interesting.

[@eliteal2188]

who killed millions in the British Raj. @@danvidigal88

[@ViktorLStahlecker]

@@eliteal2188 youre one year late lol

[@eliteal2188]

I know lmao@@ViktorLStahlecker

[@sirdouglas2010]

They failed to mention the economic embargo that America has had on Cuba for the past 60 years that has made the country extremely poor and another program of Che is that everyone in their country has great health care unlike the US and they send their doctors all over the world to help even our Native American reservations were helped by Cuban Drs during Covid because they had no care available otherwise.

[@Th69571]

Isn't the US the only country to have an embargo on cuba? A communist country shouldn't be dependent on a capitalistic country in order to have a successful economy.

[@sivasubramanian7493]

Young doc che guevara looks like Samurai jack

[@kacibjordan]

Siva Subramanian 😂😂😂😂

[@existencedefieslogic9658]

Siva Subramanian 😮😂

[@StrangeDad]

I was thinking of Professor Plutonium. :D

[@youareprobablycorrect3898]

travis DG edna yeah the powerpuff dad. Hahaha

[@darkqueen9134]

yeah that's the take away from all of this!

[@iselect1012]

I’ve read countless books on him & can say the information here is very misleading. It’s a truth mixed in with exaggeration of facts.

[@angelfarfan9239]

Could you elucidate?

[@squiglemcsquigle8414]

Glad someone else saw it

[@ruuddriessen8547]

Yep

[@ericharmon7163]

Yes, like him going to the Congo. That was basically Castro getting rid of the problem of Che. But he lived, much to Castro's chagrin. That is just one aspect. Also Che saw himself as white, actually white elite. They say, well he was just killing other murderers. But that was his hallmark wherever he went. He was to radical for Castro!

[@iselect1012]

Eric Harmon No he didn’t. He wanted to unify all of the America’s from Chile to Alaska excluding European’s & including all natives to the lands of America & Canada. The one mestizo/native people of the America’s. CIA dealt with him very quickly in order to avoid this unification of all the Latino countries. How threatening would this outcome be to the two countries that are in a continent that they are minorities to.

[@nikos29911]

The problem here is that people always have a need to categorize Che Guevara a "hero" or a "villain" (more simple "good" or "bad").Well ,that concept is just childish. According to today's moral system (and system of justice in the most countries) some of his actions are considered palatable and legitamate and some of them not. End of story.

[@kevinreyes6633]

Ford Holden thank you, someone who respects this ideal

[@chibiyaten15]

ok but what about him being a self proclaimed murderer who literally said he loved to kill people? idk but that doesn't seem so ambiguous a comment to dictate whether he was good or bad

[@anton161817]

The justice system of countries are irrelevant, you're looking at a revolutionary which would change the system to fit socialism. all leaders had to make choices. some proved to be bad, some proved to be good. Stalin was a hard leader and quite paranoid, but his decisions defended the USSR from the Nazis, and saved us from something far worse than capitalism.

[@nikos29911]

Anton If an action is legitimate or not doesn't occur from the outcome. The judgment of his actions can only be based to today's moral system .And as you said some of actions end up to be bad and some not.

[@crono3015]

And water is wet.

[@sermar1971]

"There are men that fight one day and are good, others fight one year and they’re better, and there are those who fight many years and are very good, but there are the ones who fight their whole lives and those are the indispensable ones" Bertolt Brecht

[@illusionmapping5258]

I think we need History versus Muammar Gaddafi

[@ArgKaiser]

we need a lot of this History v. Chiang Kai-shek History v. Margaret Thatcher History v. Otto von Bismarck History v. Atatürk History v. Ayatollah Khomeini History v. Catherine the Great

[@WarCrimeGaming]

@@ArgKaiser I agree with you, but WTF did Mustafa Kemal Atatürk do wrong?

[@ArgKaiser]

@@WarCrimeGaming he reformed his country from top to bottom but his actions could be seen as dictatorial. The whole point of the series is to bring nuance to the table

[@LumiNyte]

@@ArgKaiser z Atatürk didn't do many bad stuff but hate for him is increasing recently. So a History vs Atatürk would be good

[@ArgKaiser]

@@LumiNyte Pros: reforms, modernization of the country, opening up to the West Cons: imposed reforms on an unready population, covered up the Armenian Genocide

[@Angrychickenthatflys]

I like how this southern sounding man is sticking up for Che rather than that scrawny millenial looking guy

[@Suuubi01]

Like* “Not sharing my coffe”. Iwas just wondering why i keep seeing this guys face, you gotta admitt tho, im straight, but him and stallin were some handsome bastards

[@adamm307]

Cause the scrawny nerd is suppose to be Ben Shapiro

[@robykore]

@@adamm307 TRUE LMFAO

[@someoneslick5399]

Adam Montano Based Ben.

[@operleutnant7235]

It’s not accurate though

[@Ali-Adamantium]

Love how everyone is here from ERB so they can understand the rap

[@strangelife0_0]

James Howlett lol

[@vred2342]

Tru

[@saltbottle7765]

Lol true

[@wilmeralbert2908]

What kind people dindt knew to che guevara😈👿

[@justinlindfors8512]

This was recommended for me because of ERB

[@afterhourscinema782]

*"Che was a mUrDeRer!"* If that's what you think, then you're REALLY not going to like what Washington, Churchill, and Napoleon did... 😂

[@HealthChronicle]

Amazing animation as always!

[@OdinHyrule]

Health Chronicle Regardless of your view on any of the figures mentioned, both sides (for and against) make very interesting, insightful arguments. These videos are very well made.

[@kayunrtd3514]

I’m very sure Cubans have a different version of this history ....my own observation is that the video maker chose words that are similar to U.S news channels that portray non capitalist countries as dictatorships... it is also worth to note that the video maker exaggerated the parts of renumeration when it came to labor... and the impact of U.S sanctions on the people of Cuba during that time.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

I don't think it was intentional, but the arguments from the anti-Che side until like the halfway point wouldn't even sound remotely convincing to anyone who knew just a little about the history of colonialism and neo-colonialism in Latin America. Which felt sort of weird since it seemed the videos bias didn't really point toward the pro-Che side. Though apparently people in the comments are saying the coup against Arbenz was totally a good idea, so I don't know, I guess it works for some people.

[@DavidAstudillo528491]

The irony is that today Cuba is exactly where Batista had it, a luxury Habana for foreigners to enjoy, while the people are poor and in submission to Communism.

[@teentopangelforever]

IndigoRage what sources can I go to to learn about this

[@jeanrafael873]

David Astudillo Habana luxury? 🤣🤣🤣

[@ohthechitchat]

cephas kayamba I agree

[@MariusRiley]

: The tricky part about revolution, governments, and collective and individual human behavior in general, really, is that some do "bad" things for "good reasons", "good" things for "bad" reasons, "good" things for "good" reasons, and "bad" things for "bad" reasons and that when someone does something, such as forming a communist authoritarian government or a capitalist republic, and it doesn't go all that well people generally make the excuses that a) it was better than the alternatives, b) it was better than what they had, c) that somebody had to do something, and/or d) it only went south because people went too far or not far enough. Folks want things to be clean, clear, and for lack of better term, binary (either "good" or "bad" / "success" or "failure"), but life and endeavors virtually never are so. Eyewitness accounts of Guevara's own expressed thoughts/ideals and his behavior vary. He was a human.

[@Isopherus]

I do believe sir, that you are one of the very few rational people. Thank you.

[@Sai-jw8og]

Ya can't judge him.

[@JorgeDiaz028]

@@Sai-jw8og, but people who had to live with his decisions can very easily judge him. It seems distant, but people still live in Cuba and are directly affected by his actions. Everyone has their own truth. I cannot speak for every Cuban, but I know many Cubans despise this man.

[@abhinavkumar2156]

@@JorgeDiaz028 Cubans who fled to US sure do despise him but last time I checked those in Cuba mourned at his death and still love him. Communist all around the world mourned his death even in my state Kerala(India) everyone here mourned him from Right leaning Conservatives to the Leftist in State Government.

[@Swaaaat1]

He was a monster. 90% of poverty on Cuba and jail to every who thinks even slightly agaisnt the revolution. He was before, during and after the revolution a monster.

[@charliefarmer4365]

“A trendy symbol of revolution for those who never had to live under his regime.” Is the best line.

[@angrybordpro_gaming3443]

If his regime was so bad then why didnt cubans help americans to overthrow his "dictatorship"?

[@charliefarmer4365]

@@angrybordpro_gaming3443 Well, there was the Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front (which was made of five major groups). They helped out with the Bay of Pigs invasion. Most other Cubans were probably too scared of punishment, which is the case with many dictatorships. “There’s a reason people kept risking their lives to flee, often with nothing with the clothes on their back.” While I agree the previous despot needed to go, his actions made him nearly as bad. And I say “Nearly” because he actually tried to help with doing stuff like setting up schools and hospitals.

[@alaner1383]

In wasn't his regime though. As the judge said, this isn't Fidel Castro's trial.

[@S.D.323]

@@alaner1383 he helped put him in place though unless you mean that eventually Che would have disagreed with what Castro was doing during his rule

[@leafer3]

As a Cuban I can attest to there being holes in the story of this narrative.

[@thomasrichards460]

Do tell brother

[@BoogieDownProduction]

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[@oldchilimbiba4177]

@Marx was right Marx was left

[@everythingintheuniverse8962]

@Marx was right people say communism has negative affects for the greater good but so does capitalism and look at which societies are the most comfortable.. capitalist ones, I think yes we can learn to add more social programs like how cuba has but for that to work Americans would have to pay extra in tax which for most people is not a positive thing

[@Nayarito]

@@oldchilimbiba4177 checkmate

[@AdamLacy228]

20% of the comments: "This is quite interesting." 80% "ERB, anyone?"

[@adarktrap7361]

Its what got me to look into this guy.

[@adarktrap7361]

@Andoc did you mean humanitys love for murder?

[@robertstan298]

@Andoc How original of you. Spoken like read strains off of CIA's teleprompter. Give us examples of said love for murder, you bootlicker. Otherwise you might as well call out red scare tools like you as a considerable % of the comments here.

[@BG-rx6ts]

@@robertstan298 ^^^^

[@rumrain838]

The only reason the russians sent missiles to cuba is because we sent them to Turkey first so you cant blame him for that

[@himanshufulmali9225]

He was forcing USSR to fire missiles on USA but they didn't so he was coursing them, thats why castro kicked him out of the country...

[@englishman9020]

And the U.S were planning to remove the Jupiter missiles out of turkey before the missiles were put in Cuba.

[@jasarigames4481]

Bmore Slim yeah

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

Bay of Pigs had much more to do with creating the Cuban Missile Crisis than they old Jupiter missiles we had given Turkey.

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

Himanshu Fulmali Castro didn't kick the Soviets out.....they left on their own. Where did you get that erroneous idea from?

[@jorgegandara984]

I'm sorry, but I can't imagine the same guy that defended Jefferson, Colombus, Nixon and Napoleon, also defends Che Guevara.

[@ashalaska3685]

yeah one of these guys is NOT like the others

[@oranguman8606]

@@ashalaska3685nixon

[@milliondollarmistake]

lawyers will defend anyone for the right price

[@surajajayduvadi3583]

Complete new to world history, know very little, can you please tell me the funny bit? I don't know everyone in the list, so I'm sure someone is odd one out. Please share who and why?

[@oc4025]

​@@surajajayduvadi3583very very different ideologies and ideals

[@Apenimon444]

Che Guevara quotes: "Ideas are immortal" "I know why you're here coward, shoot me, you will only kill a man"

[@NoOne-ds7pw]

Wasnt the last one supposed to be "Don't shoot! I am Che Guevara, and i am worth more to you alive than dead." ?

[@Apenimon444]

@@NoOne-ds7pw what? never saw that one anywhere else

[@bernardoramirez1140]

@@NoOne-ds7pw No, that happened when he was captured.

[@JRavelo]

So you're telling me that his executioner, kindly recorded that bravado phrase as his last words... really. I think he was just bargaining.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

That's a weird translation from the original Spanish - '¡Póngase sereno -me dijo- y apunte bien! ¡Va a matar a un hombre!' - I'd have translated it as "Stay calm and aim well! You're about to kill a man!"

[@10mimu]

Oh boy these comments are gonna be better than the video

[@arjent8247]

The drawing of Kennedy though xD

[@rodrigoleonardoofferni8891]

Interestingly, this narrative does not even remember the embargo imposed by the USA, which forced Cuba into the arms of the USSR.

[@limmerfibber7000]

if this is about the embargo not being mentioned in the video is because the video is only talking about che guevara and not the country of cuba. if this wasnt your answer you wanted then nvm what I said. :)

[@PearlsAnneHeels]

I’m leaving here more confused than wen I arrived...

[@marcrowd]

It's pretty clear. What didn't you understand?

[@billyb501stlegion5]

Simple che guevara had the Right ideas but the way he went to pursue such goals untimely lead to more harm then good. We can't deny the good stuff that happened like universal health care and literacy but he also was instrumental in bringing Fidel Castro who was more oppressive than the last dictator. So in a nutshell che did more bad then good

[@billyb501stlegion5]

@Danielle looking from sociological point of view, if you are given power then you are bestowed upon a duty, your duty is another person's right. This way humans can mutually survive and co exist.

[@WitherRakdos]

I reccomend BadEmpanadas multiple videos on the topic. They're lengthy, but they're really good. He debunks several myths about him and gives all his sources.

[@jessevilla3696]

@@billyb501stlegion5 The problem here is that the points opposing his good legacy aren’t really substantiated. It’s really just propaganda talking points perpetuated in the red scare era. Funny thing is people don’t realize the US government (but really the wealthy oligarchs) actually had the monopoly of information through media and used it. Therefore, it is ridiculous to assert the Cuban government controlled the information through education as it is a projection of how the US did operate and continues to operate (although the internet makes it difficult for the monopolization of information now). By any measure that one would truthfully assert the the negative aspects of Cuba, the US will have it beat considerably.

[@shaderblues7400]

Che Guevara looks like his going to make powerpuff girls

[@andreascheveyo7833]

“He who oppresses the poor mocks their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.” - Proverbs 14:31

[@eb9172]

And who is that for. Cause Che was just a murderer. He ain't do nothing but violate human rights

[@andreascheveyo7833]

@@eb9172 Che slaughtered the people actually violating people’s human rights. That’s not murder, that’s revolution.

[@eb9172]

@@andreascheveyo7833 I know you ain't Cuban.

[@andreascheveyo7833]

@@eb9172 I’m a human being who values truth and morals. And who believes in being a real man, and a warrior too when the situation calls for it.

[@eb9172]

@@andreascheveyo7833 Guy ain't do nothing but takeover an Island. Him and Castro did it by force. Took land from the people and gave it to the government. The guy was wack sir.

[@DreamDaddie]

I like these debate in court episodes. Its good to hear different sides of the story without any yelling at each other

[@abhinav.mishra17]

Make a video History vs. CIA. Che was not perfect but American democracy drive spearheaded by CIA for narrow American interest must be srutinised.

[@belphaphone]

TED-Ed did once do "What is McCarthyism? And how did it happen?" That's pretty close. Indeed there's quite a few TED videos that criticise the CIA.

[@alexbird2670]

As if there could ever be a coherent argument in defense of the CIA.

[@abhinav.mishra17]

Yes, there can be. It is like actors changed over the time but script remained the same. Persons come and go but ideologies remain.

[@jdon6484]

The CIA deserves scrutinity but Che and all other communists weren't good people and don't deserve sympathy or glorification. No one glorifies the CIA.

[@abhinav.mishra17]

Who has not killed? I think there are very few patches of land where massacres have not been happening. I do not justify violence but violent democracy evangelism is also not good. Che should be seen in his time frame.

[@cmclbeats]

"In my sons veins flowed the blood of Irish rebels" 🇮🇪

[@carljacobson7156]

And on his Mother's side - Spanish Aristocrats and Old School Conquistador Money. Che grew up in Luxury, like Castro - why is it always the Rich Kids who want to spread 'Communism' to the Poor?

[@user-ys5yv2nz6w]

@@carljacobson7156 Because during the 20th century, it was generally only the wealthy people in those countries who had any sort of decent education or exposure to Communist ideas. Marx himself was a middle class man. It's not as if the poorer people tried to resist communism either. Communism is often very attractive to people in poorer countries, especially the countries who gained independence from colonial powers after WW2.

[@leoking9109]

@@carljacobson7156 Because you have to be educated to be able to read Marx, whatever your opinions are, the books are a tough read.

[@RealCherry8085]

But your country make billions from capitalist big tech

[@scottr640]

@@RealCherry8085 True, but dont confuse the Irish people with the shameful government that hold power. The Irish public today a pale comparison to the great Republicans of yester year. They allow governments and foreign bodies to surpress their freedoms, increase the homelessness crisis, grant tax free havens for multi national corporations and now introduce inhumane vaccine mandates. Michael Collins would be turning in his grave at the sight of modern Ireland

[@uncreativeusername3772]

“His face is recognized all over the world” Me: *wtf* *is* *that* *the* *power* *puff* *girls* *dad* *what* *did* *he* *do*

[@thastayapongsak4422]

@Sicron still popular now. On trucks and motorcycles everywhere.

[@aman_insaan]

@@thastayapongsak4422 don't know about US and Europe bt here in India, our right wingers too wear his t shirt... It's different thing tht they don't know what they're doing... 😂😂😂

[@andrak02]

​@@aman_insaan wow, why in india, in india know him to che guevara?

[@sokonaut]

che is a villain only to imperialists

[@swetdep]

...and the families of the innocent people who got executed

[@rouge1ful]

one thing they left they left out was that a lot of the cubans that originally left for years had money. they were already upper middle class or rich under the last regime, they were not the poor and destitute. later more of those people were able to escape but it was not the majority and were not the first people. a lot of them were down with castro until he came for their tobacco and coca fields and said "hey lets redistribute your wealth next". same thing is happening in florida right now with Venezuela a lot of the people leaving right now have money.

[@magicman3163]

So true everyone who disagrees with a dictator is bad

[@ice-tgaming4609]

Lol they love communist but don't like to act like one

[@skips551]

I am from colombia, a country that has 1.5 million of venezolans as inmigrants, and I can tell you that they are everything but rich, they walk hundreds of kilometers without enough food to get to a safer place, a lot of them live their lives from prostitution or charity, and you are saying that it´s the rich people that is running???

[@chrisjoshua69420]

i cant believe u just said venezuelans have money

[@buff114]

those exiles also helped the CIA kill their own people. ironic since they want me to hate the revolution for supposedly doing the same thing. Alpha 66, Operation Condor, operation Northwoods, operation mongoose.

[@Gbeat-]

Oh boy, comments are going to be divisive on this one

[@MrMelonMuffins]

You say divisive, I say diverse.

[@AxelBlaze991]

You know it!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@joncagle3293]

No they won't

[@francomuscellini1744]

Jon Cagle jajaja bit me to it

[@marcelo90z]

David Shales I disagree. Whenever you like it or not, there are only two sides that people accept: either you love Che Guevara or you hate him.

[@kaelsangeban5853]

" Guevarra the terror, Fresh kangol wearer -

[@bratpeki]

- an ill rhyme slayer from the 60s era -

[@f1ames.f263]

Revolting

[@greatwhiteshark9355]

Heavy metal rebel blood spiller

[@borislavzhutovsky2283]

Me and my gorillas are the squard of killers!

[@no.5304]

I’m known world wide for my steely eyed look

[@revertt009]

2:27 3:25 I know this was an old video, but Che was not in control of any "camps", nor could he do anything about the lgbtq issue in Cuba or anywhere else. In fact, not even Fidel Castro knew that Lgbtq people suffered so much in the camps in question, which he took down the moment he found out. Plus, the "suspected" spies were most times killed not just because of their suspection but also of other crimes such as treason, betrayal, war crimes, r*pe and such. 4:20 Even though i disagree completely with what Che said here, this was a time where the USA could completely control what was said in their newspapers, and fake news could be spread like no tomorrow.

[@brenton5200]

I like how you left it for interpretation. Of course he sits in a grey area and I would say neither hero or villain. One could argue that fighting oppression is admirable but you could also argue he was fighting for his own vision not necessarily oppression which is not admirable. Well done the video is thought provoking.

[@joedoe2770]

The cuban people are oppressed under this regime and sent to firing squads or life on prison for simple not having the same opinions as Che / Fidel. He did not free anyone

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@joedoe2770 Neither did America yet they are the ones who set the narrative the country with the most innocent people killed in the modern world is china and the United States of America

[@joedoe2770]

Wrong. My family fled Cuba and made it to the USA. We are now free@@augustuslunasol10thapostle

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

@@joedoe2770 Why did your family flee.

[@justsomeguitarist8406]

@@joedoe2770 My family left the US for Cuba because they were racially discriminated against. In Cuba they haven't faced any form of discrimination and have lived happier lives.

[@parkersummerlin865]

"Póngase sereno y apunte bien: va usted a matar a un hombre” Translation: "Relax and aim well: You are about to kill a man"

[@itismethatguy]

Yeah. And the misil crisis was because America had missiles pointing at the USSR in Turkey. That pretty much justifies it

[@christianrodriguez7874]

I’ve known Cubans that met Che and they know damn well he didn’t say those words that man was a coward

[@christianrodriguez7874]

@The Iron Cross exactly right

[@martynwaters7491]

@PT Wrong

[@_ZERO]

@PT someone decided to say something without knowing the context of it. Crazy how you have thousands of articles about it 1 google away and yet you decide to say something without reading about it first.

[@vuhungnguyen1584]

Do history vs Ho Chi Minh please!

[@neemapaxima6116]

Vũ Hùng Nguyễn Would you defend him ?

[@vuhungnguyen1584]

Neema Paxima it depends.

[@ram-is-herexd7930]

And finally Che did not urge Fidel to bring over nukes, I genuinely do not know where this lie came from. Che wanted Cuba to be self dependent and didn't want Cuba to stray too far into the USSR's sphere of influence; however, Fidel famously wanted closer ties with the USSR and wanted to be more reliant on them.

[@dusathemaid]

I can already feel the rage in the comments

[@rockzs74r]

Larry Belenossi still not looming yet

[@shamoonsaqib]

Hey crazy carrot mugshot from Cuphead!

[@nitishsaxena1372]

I can already see the rage in your profile picture.

[@mothereric8774]

Flamewars keep the comments toasty.

[@Bastogne1944]

You might have missed a good portion of the flame war. I was here during the first few seconds this video was uploaded and boy oh boy was it hilarious. I wouldn't be surprised if saw cowbelly TV capitalize on this.

[@chuckthunder781]

Mostly fairly balanced. History is never as simple as good/bad. However, I feel like making the anti-Che speaker more chiding and cynical will push viewers into a certain direction rather than letting them make up their minds based purely on the facts.

[@blackniga420]

This 100%.

[@mig1nc]

Well said.

[@elyarothstein6737]

Agreed

[@neuemilch8318]

well in my experiens most prosecutors are, but im a little biased

[@damjanmuskinja9227]

actually its super biased che was blamed wholesale for castro's faults

[@neuro6164]

"I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead," he said as Bolivian forces closed in.

[@neuro6164]

@@0cean1c47 He sells a lot of t-shirts...

[@fakenameu_u1859]

Sure, Jan 😒

[@JohnDoe-gs1cb]

@@0cean1c47 The humanity will remember him... But who will remember you? Not even your family...

[@Victoria3WorldConquerer]

@@JohnDoe-gs1cb And you know this becuase?

[@sic4319]

@@Victoria3WorldConquerer Oceanic is just any other human being you see on the internet or the street....unknown. Che is literally apart of history.

[@captainobvious7033]

"Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!” -Doflamingo

[@thrash208]

"repression of homosexuals" is a polite way of saying executing them.

[@mr.manes88]

this line made me giggle bc they said it in a way that almost implies America dn other countries were tolerant of homosexuality... in the mid 20th century LMAO

[@MrPikaGammer]

@Steven Andrade American's didn't kill them in camps

[@debarghyaghosh1263]

@Hellcarver T.V fake news it's a fake news

[@eb9172]

@Mark Broadhurst doubt that

[@alexpsp00]

mr. manes you mean 19th?

[@machine6699]

History vs. Robespierre

[@marcelogauster5102]

Machine That one would be great

[@yakovantonovich643]

Machine jacobins did nothing wrong

[@nicholaskunkel9172]

Agreed. Che is a modern Robespierre in that respect!

[@discrij6073]

Grant Scott he was better than napoleon

[@elchungo5026]

Machine ah yes, the prophet Robespierre. I made a religion out of this.

[@prim16]

Thank you for providing both sides of the argument.

[@snorhamarki320]

i think they should have said that one of the reasons of cuban economic problems was america blockade, maybe it would be more fair for cuban leadership

[@ZeroResurrected]

@@snorhamarki320Why is the success of communism so dependent on capitalist America? The fact that it’s even possible for capitalism to sabotage communism means that communism is a complete failure

[@StairleConcobhar]

Interesting fact: Che had Irish roots!!! His full name was Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch, his grandfather was from Limerick and when he was a child his grandmother would tell him stories about Irelands struggle for independence from Britain while sitting on her lap

[@15oClock]

In every revolution, those oppressed seem to claim power and become oppressors to a whole new group unaffected by the previous regime. It's important to remember how easy it is to be corrupted in one's rise to authority and guard yourself against its sway.

[@pongobabongo]

Caleb Chaney it’s also important to remember that many revolutions worked and were ultimately brought down by external forces. But who cares about facts amirite?

[@TheSunderingSea]

Oh, you mean like Salvador Allende, who created a paramilitary group that murdered thousands of people, or his policies which destroyed the Chilean economy so badly that rationing had to be instituted, and the Parliament begged the Military to depose him?

[@pongobabongo]

Podcast_Anon What? First of all Allende came to power with a democratic vote, not revolution. It is fundamentally true that he got elected with only 37% but CONGRESS constitutionally elected him to presidency. The economy was of course in bad shape because: 1. It’s Chile and your main income depends on the demand for copper, which has always brought problems for the nation. 2. A system trying to transition from Capitalism to attempt to arrive at Socialism will always have some facet of difficulty. Allende support only increased during time, and the ones that begged an overthrow were the middle classes which had lost power and as I said, the opposition cooperating with the CIA. Also I simply cannot find any sources on thousands killed by his paramilitary groups but ok let’s assume it existed. What do you think came after that? Does Pinochet, the dictator installed after the second coup after the Allende government (both supported and carried out by CIA and Pinochet’s people) ring a bell? It might cause it brought about estimated 40 thousand deaths and economic disaster as well (with the help of yours truly, Milton Friedman). So bad argument all around, or at least bad example.

[@Kegyetleneper]

Caleb Chaney yep, I'm hungarian and this is exactly what's happenning slowly with Viktor Orbán. He was a brave man in 1989, who stood up for the hungarians, and now he's the reason why 10% of our population left the country to work in western europe, he's the reason why the education and health system collapsed and he is the reason why it's feels poisoning to be a hungarian right now

[@regismartel8772]

The basic ideals of Animal Farm

[@kyivstuff]

As a person from a post-soviet country I can absolutely say that revolutions should definitely be judged by the outcomes

[@younggamer7218]

Yup

[@matttt60]

As a Latin American person, I know the outcomes of revolution were much more responsibility of USA trying to supress it

[@kwitsaz9394]

U can be right,but ,Soviet rebellions and Cuban rebellions didn't share same fate

[@Seek1878]

Both ideals and factors can be judged.

[@agentprismarine2778]

Emphasis on Post-soviet which js not Soviet. For instance collapse of the Soviet union caused huge drop in quality of lives of Russians after Gorbachev's liberal reforms which was awarded Reagan freedom award. Communism didn't kill USSR, liberisation did and brought even worse conditions

[@lthereader5670]

You know, he looks like samurai jack.

[@sto1238]

Yea there’s a lot of people unjustly imprisoned in Cuba…Guantanamo Bay prison has locked up hundreds of people without any sort of trial

[@jacob6039]

I love that this lesson is in the form of a dialogue

[@milad.nikzad]

“Should revolutions be judged by their ideals or their outcomes?” Wow.

[@francoischaussures8461]

Cambodia 1975

[@molumusic]

By the outcomes those ideas have. Ideas can be great on paper, but reality shows that many of them lead to horrible outcomes, no matter how good-intended they are.

[@sothysentuyhor22]

@@francoischaussures8461 Cambodia 1975-79 is bad in general. Both ideals and outcomes were bad so taking either side of the argument, judge by ideals or judge by outcome, will still place this revolution (quotation marks i suppose) as a bad and failed one.

[@CarmaCasto]

Their outcomes. Intentions don’t matter when the outcome was atrocious. Only way to improve is to avoid intentions that lead to common outcomes b

[@anuragchakraborty7607]

Outcomes

[@tareksaleh3259]

4:44 For those wondering, the person using glasses on the left was former argentine president Arturo Frondizi who allowed Che Guevara to visit Argentina as a diplomatic guest. Due to this, Frondizi was couped a couple months later by the army, fearing a communist revolution.

[@kungfoofighter66]

I love that the lawyer defending Che sounds like a southern baptist. That tickles me.