Is peace just warfare elsewhere? | Juliet Mitchell | TEDxSalford

[@DavidLloyd-tq4td]

Very inspiring talk! I particularly liked this quote; 'Any form of creativity demands the utilization of huge amounts of violence and destructiveness. When we share in this work, as audience or readers, this creativity can become a place where we can not only flaunt our own violence, but reflect creatively rather than act on it. ' Putting the sibling relationhsip at the heart of violence is a fascinating idea.

[@stuartschneiderman8517]

I've just been reading Juliet Mitchell's book 'Psychoanalysis And Feminism'. Juliet Mitchell counts herself a member of the left, a supporter of the notion of the self emancipation of the working class. Well if that's the case why did she write her book in a manner that makes it practically impossible to understand for the average working class person including working class women. I couldn't exactly see a miner's wife getting stuck into this tome. Why did she use a code of language that is so excluding of workers ?. Because she wrote it for her own upper class academic friends and no one else, because these are the only people that she is really concerned with-people with the same social and educational background as herself. Her work is a justification for her enhanced social status as an academic and supposedly emotionally complex person-apparently too complex for the crudity of working class people-women and men. Her book is hypocritical fake drek. True it was written in 1973 but she hasn't really changed her tone since then. Were she someone who claims to be a supporter of capitalism and a justifier of privilege she could be ignored. But her sickening display of social conscience is a hypocritical claim for social status dressed up- in short another excluding psychoanalytic snob who not only has no real contribution to make to ordinary working women or men, like so many other academics, she is a class enemy disguised as a friend . She can take her fake socialism and feminism and shove it up her privileged backside. And as far as her rubbish ideas about warfare are concerned she is, just another upper class intellectual who gives a damn about working people being killed. They are just grist for the mill for her upper class social status. Her attempt to reduce the complexities of geo politics and economic exploitation behind warfare is an example of a professional bamboozler and mystifier at work.

[@deukaedalso4367]

Why aren't *you* doing anything to make psychoanalysis more intelectualy accessible to the proletariat?.

[@robertcorderchiang3947]

psychoanalysis has a history of a hundred years not only in England, in America in Europe , ex colonies and all around the world. it is justifiably difficult. she cannot have dialogues with the working class without dealing Freud , his disciples who have various opinions , the institutions of psychiatry, object relation theory, male hysteria in world wars of the last century, feminists of vast different opinions it's impossible. it is difficult because psychoanalysis has heritage in western philosophy--which is loaded with signifiers. she is revolutionary considering her subversions of mainstream psychoanalysis

[@stonethecrows25]

I am also reading Juliet Mitchell's 'Psychoanalysis And Feminism', it is a difficult but untimately rewarding book. I don't think you should underestimate the ability of working class people to read and understand material which deals with necessary questions for human liberation. After all, it is the working class struggle, and the unfortunate tendency for the struggle to include defeats as well as victories for our side, which means that workers have to study as well as organise and engage in militancy, etc.

[@stuartschneiderman8517]

@@stonethecrows25 Yes working class people should educate themselves but I honestly don't believe that this lady has anything at all to do with the self emancipation of the working class, quite the opposite. I find her overextension of psychoanalytic ideas as an explanation for war to be more middle class mystification dressed up as liberation.