The liberal international order is dead | Yoram Hazony interview

After the US midterm elections, the battle for the future of the Republican Party continues. To discuss the intellectual case for Trumpism Steven Edginton is joined by Yoram Hazony, an Israeli philosopher whose new book “Conservativism: A Rediscovery” explores the past, present and future of Conservativism.
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[@charleswhitfield8915]

Steven Edgington really is a rewarding interviewer to listen too - he’s so far ahead of most of the journalists that seem to be around at the moment. Good searching questions without the confrontational theatrics of many of his peers.

[@angusmcangus7914]

And I believe he’s been nowhere near a university.

[@stephenmellor5783]

@@angusmcangus7914 Your point?

[@jdg9999]

WW2 was not about "fighting racism", that's projecting modern attitudes onto the past.

[@barrywhite5502]

Fighting invisible racism with real racism

[@soulie2001]

It was because Germany was a sore loser and that was that.

[@baigandinel7956]

The idea that mere nationalistic respect for the past produced Nazism is beyond stupid, and yet it is close to the "official" view today.

[@casard5235]

An interesting q and a. New paths of thought were opened that are worth delving. Will look into Yoram Hazony's books further. Casard, Victoria, B. C., CANADA

[@ericblankenburg]

Informative interview. Thanks for doing it.

[@ShamanNoodles]

On the concluding question; Atheism is a religion as much as any other. It is an *absolute* belief in no possible higher power or architect. One key reason this is religious is because we still do not know how and why the universe was created. Most Atheists point to the "big bang theory," which is a theory that fails to explain what existed *before* the "big bang," or what caused it. Many ancient texts describe a similar or the same theory, often referring to this phenomena as "the divine breath of God," which is to imply God existed prior to the "big bang," which is just as "scientific" as Atheists' idea that *nothing* existed prior. There is *no* evidence in either direction. Any absolutist mindset with regard to the existence of a prior entity to the "big bang" is religious.

[@lauramartel5297]

Agree. The geniuses who are non-believers are agnostic, not atheists. It's rea, reall hard to prove a negative. These self ID atheists aren't the brightest.

[@lauramartel5297]

The French are not very woke at all. They are known as "francks" for a reason. Also, they LOVE logically reasoned debates. So the idea of simply having to accept some crazy think and not criticize it is crazy. Over 80% want massive changes in immigration. Illegal migrqnts sleep on the streets. There would probably be yet another French revolution if they put the invaders in expensive Parisian hotels. The worst woke is in the Anglosphere, and most want to stop it in its tracks. Leftists in FR are not particularly into mouthing crap about French and France being so horrible. So women I met who would be woke here are basically normal liberals. Even Macron doesn't want le wokeisme.

[@davebannister323]

Great Interview , Thanks !

[@MommaKnowsBestest]

So much information 🎉

[@AC-zq5xv]

Fascinating interview, nothing to do with Trump (thank goodness) and actually about the origins of conservatism and relationship with religion. But what is this invention of a new word "conservativism"? Yoram's book is called "Conservatism - a Rediscovery". Is this meant to imply that the UK's Conservative Party represents conservatism (when in fact it doesn't)? Still, this is a really interesting podcast series and thoroughly recommended.

[@MyNadje]

YOUR GOD IS MONEY AND BLOOD.

[@plinkfuture2557]

Love and acceptance over darkness division and self-blindness.

[@philipharris-smith5889]

Marriage fails due to imposed social/financial pressures, not due to poor training in how to be married.

[@jazzstandardman]

Part of the training is in how to sustain a marriage under the duress of social and financial pressures. People did it all the time in the past.

[@martynhaggerty2294]

Did superior English tradition justify the scottish and Irish clearances plus the disenfranchisement of aboriginal Australians mauri or north American Indians not forgetting the enslavement of Africans?

[@11NEWSTART]

Yes

[@tonykindred520]

Many points well made albeit confusing at times. It does have the feel of advocating conservatism for the sake of well organized public and private life. Organized to the extent that young people are brought into the fold and educated the virtues of current and historical significance with an eye towards moral and ethical efficacy. There are good reasons to revisit formal conservatism not just for the upsides but for it's many downsides as well. If this book is intended to justify Trumpism as the description suggests, it doesn't fly, quite in spite of conservative ideal.

[@baigandinel7956]

If there even is a such doctrine as "Trumpism," that is not conservatism, although it has conservative elements. Trump didn't invent anything in terms of substance. I am not sure the book even mentions him. What it offers is rather different, although there may be some incidental overlap, none of which came from the mind of Trump.

[@marchess286]

Why "doesn't it fly"?

[@ClannCholmain]

Religion? Maybe he should look up the history of the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland. And he doesn’t even know that evangelicals have the most divorces.

[@timfallon8226]

Compared to the secular that don't get married.

[@ClannCholmain]

@@timfallon8226 and nobody has more abortions than conservative Christian women.

[@TheVietnameseDevil]

😎

[@saattlebrutaz]

Trumpism and right wing populism has nothing to do with traditional conservatism.

[@willardmusick1187]

From the side, Hazony looks like Bud Selig, former Commissioner of Baseball. A dead ringer!

[@branislavlazin9285]

Mr.Dawkins... and Edmund Burke & John Stuart Mill and... most of the mentioned philosophers are like... the unattainable ideals, in terms of their weltanschauuntg, in comparison to Mr.Hazony, the conservative!... ("God is Real"... cannot mean other then - in our heads.) But good interview all in all...

[@perobusmaximus]

The urss didnt fall, it was inherited by paris

[@charlesbiggs7735]

Did anyone catch the title of the book he suggests every American read?

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

"In Praise of The Laws of England" - John Fortescue

[@paulheydarian1281]

Fascinating...!!! Now if someone could explain how it is that some people think they know what's best for others? Where does that sense of arrogance & entitlement come from? On the other hand, it would be great if someone could really explain where do rights come from? Are we really born with any rights? Not everyone believes in an implausible sky god, and it's not very convincing response either. Why would a pretend sky god give lesser beings any rights?

[@steveparker8065]

Asside from the invisible magical deity in the sky and their myriad representatives who force their dogma on the rest of us. Everyone is born with equal rights and equal status until the system kicks in and determines their rights by age, geographical location, wealth and power. The struggle then begins for those on the lower rungs of the hierarchical ladder to keep the basic rights their ancestors fought for. For instance in the UK many groups such as the Rebecca Rioters, Tolpuddle Martyrs, Chartists, Scotch Cattle, Wat Tyler and the peasant's revolt, suffragettes and the Anti-Slavery Society fought and died to achieve the rights we now have. While the Government are trying to remove those rights as they get in the way of profits and control.

[@advocate1563]

Hubris and nihilism.

[@skylark8828]

This is not conservatism, it's a 19th century version of conservatism.

[@pohfromipoh]

Actually conservatism and liberalism are just words. It still makes no sense for an unelected official who doesn't answers to or understands the people to make a decision that impacts their lives. This seems like a dictator haha. The current political structures for "globalism" is inadequate have to find another way/proposal.

[@tadasblindavicius8889]

Human beings must have their rights. Without rights humans are slaves. What we see nowadays in some countries around the world.

[@zacharyrobertson6944]

Basic human rights are the same everywhere. Why is this so hard to understand?

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

Why? Says who? On what Authority?

[@perobusmaximus]

Which ones?

[@analogia_entis]

@@jenniferlawrence2701 It is probably the CENTRAL thought of Western History.Let me quote a pagan,not Jew,not Christian : CICERO “there will not be one such law in Rome and another in Athens, one now and another in the future, but all peoples at all times will be embraced by a single and eternal unchangeable law.”

[@marchess286]

Cs Lewis, in abolition of man described a basic common set of beliefs across Hunan religions and beliefs. He referred to it as "the Tao". One could also call it, "natural law". But, that doesn't mean that different civilizations at different times might not be close or farther to God's ideal

[@perobusmaximus]

Fusionism mixed conservative with libertarians, not with liberals. When libertarians mix with liberals, then we have a problem.

[@lauramartel5297]

Technically speaking, libertarian is a form of liberalism. That's where "classical liberal" comes from.

[@big1dog23]

Meh.

[@ClannCholmain]

What a profoundly confused person.

[@briget3456]

Speak for yourself!

[@ClannCholmain]

@@briget3456 oh ya!? Think for yourself, but not too much, and believe everything in a bigoted Asian Bronze Age slave owners manual, right? Well okay then.

[@barrywhite5502]

@@briget3456 He's not wrong

[@briget3456]

@@ClannCholmain Duh!

[@tadasblindavicius8889]

I see all this as an intention to promote authoritarianism.

[@hantieprins3891]

Too much diversity, nullifies diversity in the end... becomes porridge.

[@barrywhite5502]

The root of diversity is division.

[@bryans.1710]

Those that tell us to diversify, never diversify themselves.

[@randomstuff9039]

This guy was pathetic, as soon as he got a little push-back, he had to whip out his bible ….

[@ClannCholmain]

The Old Testament to be exact.

[@Fuchsia_tude]

He also pins the origin of our "inheritance" of values, traditions, and morals there, which is strange, considering it's not the first book or even the first religious text...

[@marchess286]

Yes. That usually offends freaks. It makes them feel a bit guilty about their sins and perversions. Let's keep that scary bible out of sight.

[@edcottingham1]

Nonsense on stilts.

[@analogia_entis]

Poor Ed!! Thinks no one reads and we all think he made up a great image. Naaaah, he copied it folks PUre cut-and-paste It'sJeremy Bentham,nice try.

[@luckysurfer9097]

Five minutes into it and he already makes erroneous assumptions for the motivations of conservative politics. Currently, it is mostly fear-based and disingenuous in the quest for power, and beginning to resemble fascism...which leads to the mistaken and false rejection of rules based governing.

[@AnthonyConstable]

Nope

[@ClannCholmain]

@@AnthonyConstable 100% yes. Power for the sake of it.

[@AnthonyConstable]

@@ClannCholmain nope nope

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

I didn't see that. I'm also not sure that seeking power is unusual or unwise for a political movement, nor particular to conservative ones.

[@bryans.1710]

Everyone wants to be a liberal when times are good, and their bellies full. In other words, being a liberal is easy.

[@bryans.1710]

"Human flourishing" = international profit

[@dilreshmoinmir]

#freepalestine

[@barrywhite5502]

#Endblue

[@stephenmellor5783]

Where?