The ANC Lose their Majority: What Next for South Africa?

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For the first time ever, South Africa's ANC Party has failed to secure a majority in this week's election which will likely lead to politically difficult coalition talks. So in this video, we'll explain what's happened and what this means going forward.
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CORRECTION: As numerous commenters have pointed out, at 0:19 we say "...the ANC were on track to lose their parliamentary majority for the first time since independence", when we meant to say "since apartheid". We've since edited this video to cut out "since independence", which hopefully works a bit better, but we nonetheless apologise for the error, and hope you still enjoyed the vid!

[@lm_b5080]

and nonsense on "it not being good news for SA in the short term". An ANC+DA coalition will be exactly what the country needs. will be great for the economy & tremendous for good governance

[@athenakoios]

0:03 you said 27 milion. Where did you get that number from ? look at the data please and correct your misinformation

[@darkgalaxy5548]

​@@lm_b5080 Yeah, and maybe Trump will have Biden as his Vice President

[@FlosBlog]

no the part is just cut out and you dont say anything

[@bgcvetan]

There is video problem in 0:17 to 0:20

[@watisoninata5150]

The fact that people still voted for the ANC is ridiculous..Years of Corruption and Loadshedding was not enough to convince these people to choose a better option.. Diabolical

[@mcboat3467]

Black mind is as developed as 14 year old white mind

[@extrapolate]

That’s what Neo communism does to the brain, complete rot and disassociation from reality

[@fakey4995]

You know why? Because allot of South Africans are not educated enough and also not educated enough to understand the fundamental importance this could have made had they completely not voted for ANC at all. That’s one of the scary part.

[@ricaard6959]

@@fakey4995 No, the actual reason is the social welfare not that the people aren't educated enough. The second the ANC stops with their welfare state, which is inevitable the more the economy gets weaker, the votes for the ANC will cease.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

They are voting for something even worse, that country is really an example..... You gave them power and what they do is destroying the country and starting being racist while blaming you for the problems they themselves created, literally children.

[@clivematthews95]

Turnout is actually 15 Million voters. 27 million is registered voters

[@louisjefferies2733]

But the population is like 56 mil

[@clivematthews95]

@@louisjefferies2733 I’m just stating facts 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@spliff4606]

@@louisjefferies2733 ah yes, I guess we should let the minors vote as well.

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@louisjefferies2733The number of people who are old enough to vote is 40 million. The number of people registered to vote was 28 million. The number of people who voted is probably 12 to 15 million.

[@dnw009]

@@spliff4606 62 Million in total, 34% is under 18 meaning their about 21.08 million under 18. Leaving a potential voting population of 40.92 million. 15 Million voters, and 27 million registered leaving 13.92 million potential voters not even registered to vote.

[@info_dash313]

The ANC is currantly experiencing Stage 6 Voteshedding

[@K.KLovelyz]

😂😂😂

[@FictionHubZA]

Size Walsh ne?

[@carmenthorne-rk2bj]

😂😂😂

[@charmelbhagdath9239]

Good one. Like it😂

[@wendyeggleton1165]

Brilliant

[@kumalalakumalalakumalasave5776]

People finally realizing that voting for the same party over and over again won't change their quality of life for the better

[@Haris1]

But there are stil 40% that cannot be explained

[@AutieTortie]

Same to the DA votersheep that now doomed the Cape to burn along with the rest of Azania instead of voting for an independence referendum. Thanks, idiots.

[@muhammedk470]

Ya. And voting for Zuma back will make a big difference

[@svartorivigt5016]

If we add MK vote share with ANC, majority people still technically voted for the same party again. So really nothing has changed when it comes to voters in South Africa.....

[@B-I-G-N-A-S-T-Y]

Yeah, all the votes are done by real people... The only way to ensure it's not rigged is to create voting ID's and an block chain ledger.

[@Lukas4182]

People have to realise that the current ANC is not the same Mandela-ANC that ended Apartheid. I understand how they still feel loyalty towards this party, but unfortunately corruption changed it.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

You're right.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

You're right. A party is made of people, and the people who fought for democracy and freedom are now mostly dead. Black people can honour their old heros but they should no longer have any loyalty to the current ANC.

[@SoulDuckling126]

Yes, and all of their corruptions & incompetence are ruining Mandela Legacy. Poor fella probably rolling in his grave now.

[@joschmo4497]

@@SoulDuckling126 dude was a terrorist, seems his legacy is intact.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Most SAans just dislike the DA even more than they dislike the ANC. The reason the ANC and its offshoots keep getting voted for is cos the alternative is seen as far worse. Something the usually white foreign people criticizing the SA govt. all the time don't care about at all.

[@xavier7075]

The ANC is bringing misery to South Africans

[@caropeter7077]

if ANC makes a coalision with the marxist party it will be even worse

[@kreuner11]

Too long in power everyone gets corrupt

[@dylanf3108]

@@kreuner11Always were corrupt. Began running the country into the ground from day 1.

[@sibonisomsomi634]

There understand now

[@satisfied656]

Sometimes people had to eat sh*t to learn their lessons!🙄It´s a shame what the party has become AFTER the death of great #NelsonMandela!🤔

[@CaptainTodger69]

the fact ANYONE voted for the ANC is WILD

[@jasonhaven7170]

Don't use Black slang.

[@AjaySalmon]

​@@jasonhaven7170 Wild is an English word lol, why are they using a white language.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@AjaySalmon Not in that way, Neanderthal.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@jasonhaven7170don't use white medicine.

[@apiklala]

English was created by black slaves in the UK ​@@AjaySalmon

[@karllichtenberg4124]

I'm a white South African who has just voted for the first time. I voted DA, as an anti-ANC vote more than any deep love for the DA. One thing that wasn't mentioned in this video, but I believe was in other videos, the DA is in charge of my home province, the Western Cape which includes Cape Town. The Western Cape is by far the healthiest province, lowest unemployment, fastest growing economy and many individuals and companies from Joburg and other major cities are moving down here. I have said for the better part of a year that a DA-ANC coalition is far from the worst option as the ANC's policies are broadly popular, their big issue is corruption, so ANC policy with DA oversight and cabinet ministers in certain areas, such as police and state-owned enterprises such as Eskom, could work out really well for SA.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Guy leave the country and go to Europe, it's very clear what they think.... Let them destroy their own country out of stupidity but don't suffer yourself for their racism.

[@jasonhaven7170]

You mean you're a coloniseer.

[@jasonhaven7170]

The DA actually lost votes, just not proportion.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Fortunately, the native (Black) population is increasing faster than the European (you) population.

[@K.KLovelyz]

​@@jasonhaven7170 and you're a racist. Calling people colonisers just because they're white is crazy

[@bwhog]

"There are four types of economies: Developing, Developed, Japan, and Argentina." It may be time to add South Africa into that statement.

[@Me-ui1zy]

Feels like South Africa might just fall into the Argentina camp tbh Only difference is that Argentina hate all their politicians and South Africans seem to like theres But both have dogshit economies, terrible govts, corruption galore.

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@Me-ui1zySouth Africans don't like their politicians. Most people still didn't vote.

[@tomlxyz]

What exactly is unique to South Africa's economy? Seems quite similiar to other African countries on many fronts

[@tomlxyz]

@@Me-ui1zy Argentina is unique in their weird economic strategies, dont see SA doing that

[@delux4285]

Nope, they’re definitely developing 😂

[@ragerancher]

Amazing how people in South Africa can look at the ANC and decide the problem is they are not radical enough...

[@joecruiser]

They want to eat, like their doubt fire leaders are binging...

[@googane7755]

Easy to say when you haven't suffered under poor leaadership and worsening economic condition for decades. Wanting change from the status quo is a natural outcome.

[@joecruiser]

@@googane7755 Status quo is a failed criminal regime whom did Nothing for you. Solution, let's kick this self serving corruptness mess into Overdrive .... 🤣🤣

[@ragerancher]

@@googane7755 The status quo is already a bunch of radical ideologues with a whole heap of corruption thrown in. The 2 groups they are shifting to is more of the same under a different name or full blown batshit insane that will definitely cause the country to collapse. They are looking at the ANC thinking things are bad and then decide to vote for parties which represent the same lunacy. It's like deciding you don't like being driven off a cliff so think the sensible alternative are someone who wants to detach all the brakes or someone who wants to remove the steering wheel and thinking these 2 are sensible alternatives.

[@wiryantirta]

the problem with South Africa are the South Africans.

[@zachb1706]

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact… same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change

[@clutch44444]

@@CoruscationsOfIneptitude He's quoting Vaas from Far Cry 3

[@eve_avery]

Like supporting the ANC even after they've been outlawed and expecting Apartheid to just end one day?

[@zachb1706]

@@eve_avery what what?

[@barakeel]

that's called perseverance :)

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@@eve_avery Outlawed?

[@faithing88]

I love fine things in Life, im a black woman and i voted DA. I went yo CT in December and saw how beautiful and clean it was. I voted DA in JHB, i want service, job opportunities, electricity,safety, If that makes me a sellout VERY GOOD IM PROUD 🎉

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Hopefully the ANC and DA will go into coalition and it should benefit South Africa. You are right to vote for competence, not for race, tribalism or for old loyalties.

[@constancymulenga9358]

How does voting work in S.A? What electoral system is there? Curious

[@splashafrica]

​@@constancymulenga9358we have 2 elections national and local in local we focus on Munisipalities local for utilities and district foe things like disaster response and bulk water management...this election was national we vote for Parliment and provincial governments those votes get counted together a 3rd time to make out the members of the NCOP the lowerhouse of Parliment and the breakdown also determine what parties gets to send members to the AU the ANC ran on universal healtcare while the DA and ActionSA offered Universal Basic Income I didn't follow the election so I don't know what else there is to it

[@patrickporter6536]

Well said, Ma'am.

[@joschmo4497]

@@constancymulenga9358 Tribal racist system where blacks vote for the party that calls for murder of the whites.

[@andrewswanepoel581]

0:20, since the first democratic elections, not since independence. SA became independent before 1994. 1994 was when Apartheid ended, not when SA gained independence

[@muhammedk470]

SA was independent from the structures of apartheid and minority rule from 1994 onwards.

[@whocares435-z9v]

@@muhammedk470 no it wasn't, it was just ruled by a new minority of black oligarchs and apparatchiks. Minority rule, with the black majority left to eat dust.

[@Youcanatme]

Since the first democratic elections with universal suffrage for all races*

[@CebolenkosiSangweni-n7h]

Only white minority were independent not real south Africans so we as real south Africans we got our independence 1994

[@RK-cj4oc]

The white south africans are just as South African as you. Keep your racism to yourself.​@@CebolenkosiSangweni-n7h

[@keamogetswemodisane2149]

The ANC has lost many votes, yet the DA didn't gain much of those. This should be concerning to the DA.

[@vinay9053]

many black people still consider it as white and indian party.

[@keamogetswemodisane2149]

@@vinay9053 yeah, and I don't think they have done much to show black voters that they stand for all South Africans and not just white South Africans. They had all the time in the world. South Africa has been going downhill and it's not all on ANC, the DA doesn't want those votes.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

If they form a coalition with the anc and somehow turn the country around they might win votes from people who just want the basics.

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

​@@keamogetswemodisane2149I don't know what DA would do to show they are for everyone. BTW, 30% of DA voters are black.

[@Zwanzig92]

Exactly. For example, in WC those ANC votes didn’t go to the DA, they went to the PA. DA ended up with about the same % as previous elections. In an election where the ANC was going to do badly, garnering the same amount of votes means you haven’t appealed to new voters. It’s a massive problem if they want to be the ruling party in the future.

[@damonleff]

A pardon will neither remove a conviction nor amend section 47 of the Constitution which prohibits Zuma from serving as a parliamentarian.

[@nkanyezihlatshwayo3601]

No. But unfortunately it will keep him out of jail (for whatever that’s worth or means) - I got my fingers on the grand coalition, and doubling down on the work started with Zondo Commission and hopefully finishing up from there. Clean up shop, you know

[@Woodneye-mc5jt]

The DA are the only party that could grow the economy. If EFF and MKP have any part in it, you can say goodbye to South Africa.

[@Jackrabfanyo]

Yup. Farmers belong on the farm... We cannot have these uneducated things running our country

[@eliashardy9528]

says a white person. this channels audience is painfully neoliberal and neocolonial

[@rice4550]

DA will privatise everything and leave the black people with nothing just like in western cape

[@Psciyentist]

We always wanted a New Start, so bye bye to whatever this is

[@spillaking]

DA will serve only the whites and consolidate resources even more. So there are no good options in SA.

[@Duxaization]

You guys need to proof read these videos a bit better before release. RSA was independent in 1994 and turnout was around 16 million.

[@MacacoMoninheiro]

Wrong. South Africa as a country was independent since 1910.

[@Duxaization]

@@MacacoMoninheiro And it was independent in 1994. What is your point?

[@JerryGreenhouse]

That is not the point of this video brother...

[@OldRhino]

​@@MacacoMoninheiro South Africa was a British colony until 1961. It only became independent after they finally booted out the British.

[@kostas0352]

It's hard to sympathise with the south African people when they vote for the dame party for the past 30 years and expect different results.

[@danhobart4009]

@@stereomachine They are poor because their kings didn't care about them.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​​@@stereomachinetheir own people, tons of people have been in the same situation even in Europe just a few decades ago.

[@Murrels_Gaming]

Blame the 40% that still voted ANC.

[@tpower1912]

@@stereomachine They're going to be stupid either way doesn't matter how much you educate them.

[@kostas0352]

@@stereomachine I don't at all, education doesn't mean political correctness, Most "educated" people vote for idiotic movements

[@LNixon-d2r]

As a South African, you guys have got some facts wrong. The DA is actually very popular with Coloureds mixed race and Indians and an increasingly number of black Africans. Not only white people vote the DA.

[@heidiausgood2639]

They need to leave

[@LNixon-d2r]

@@heidiausgood2639 Who needs to leave?!

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

But EFF better URAAA 🇷🇺🤝🏻🇿🇦

[@JJMcCullough]

Do they have to form a formal coalition? Couldn’t the ANC just wing it as a minority government? Or does their system require the president to be elected by an outright majority of the parliament?

[@debbielesch929]

Heaven forbid the ANC wing it. Any more winging from them as a government and SA will fly right off the planet.

[@pandad0g25]

The president does need to be elected through a majority in the parliament, and the government requires a majority in parliament. Minority governments are not allowed.

[@mybru1]

The south african constitution states that a majority government must be formed otherwise the country has to go back to the polls. Schedule 3 part A item 9 of the constitution states that the first sitting of the new parliament must take place within 14 day after the election period. The exact time and date of the first sitting of the national assembly must be determined by the chief justice of the constitutional Court. The chief justice will then preside over the first sitting of the new parliament during which members of parliament will elect the president

[@darthsidious4807]

Never expected such a renowned centrist to be in the comments of this video

[@MichelleCatlin]

Getting a majority in parliament in a vote of confidence is necessary so they either need to form a majority coalition government or a minority government with a party giving supply & confidence.

[@arkangel6281]

As of 11:20 CAT, 98,42% of the votes have been counted. The ANC has 40.22%, the DA has 21.66%, the MK has 14.73% and the EFF has 9.45%. It will be interesting to see who will join the anc in government

[@Tollie_Tollie]

thank you my good sir

[@nydydn]

I don't know how these percentages translate to seats exactly, but it seems EFF might not even be an option for a coalition, as they might not have what it takes for an absolute majority together with ANC.

[@davidjoffe-hunter7016]

@@nydydn You're right. Seats in parliament are almost exactly 1 seat = 0,25%, so an ANC-EFF coalition would only have 198 or 199 seats. Still, adding a minor party to the coalition for an extra 3 seats would not be difficult

[@Tar-ZA-n]

@@davidjoffe-hunter7016You’re not taking into consideration the new rules in 2024 where the seats are split between nation and provincial and regional ballots. 0.5 % per seat for the 200 seats assigned for the national ballot seats.

[@aarongunnz9513]

ANC will likely to partner with corrupt parties like EFF and MK

[@Baddy187]

The EFF is just insanity united in a party. The type of party featured in dystopian movies.

[@zachb1706]

Haha I saw a video where they were telling their voters not to hate foreigners but white people. That’s where the political debate is now in South Africa

[@Flipflopflopper]

They want to be like Robert Mugabes Zimbabwe which is one hell of a goal considering how evil that country was seen as, and honestly probably being one of the few people worse than hitler

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@zachb1706The eff lost votes because of that. Many people felt like it was favoring foreigners over locals.

[@M-3-L-O-N]

@@FictionHubZA They do, in my own town they held local hostage, accusing her of job stealing because she was cutting grass on sidewalks and parks, because the municipality wasn't doing it. Guess whos admin the Municipality was under? ANC and EFF. AND to add to the story the area is riddled with illegal communes filled with migrants, who also happened to walk past the whole ordeal and the EFF mob ignored them. So its true they do favor foreigners over locals.

[@FictionHubZA]

@@M-3-L-O-N It seems like the eff tried to backtrack on their policy before the election. Now, they might come to their sense. Or, they might double down on it. Only time will tell.

[@Thanatos833]

My country, India was like this for a long time after independence, the ANC's Indian counterpart, the Indian National Congress, won election after election, despite corruption, simply because of their legacy. Eventually they were defeated and have not been as strong, and India's future is looking relatively better since they went.

[@peterfireflylund]

I hope the Indians stop voting for BJP soon. It’s deeply unhealthy to have the same party (and the same people) in power for so long. The BJP is plenty corrupt these days (and it was never not corrupt).

[@slopernafti902]

​@@peterfireflylund Nonsense. The BJP is much less corrupt than Congress. India has been going uphill at a much greater rate when the BJP came along. And they don't appease minorities.

[@cat_sanwich]

BJP is awful too

[@MissSlenda]

That's how we send a strong message out to our government. They are the laughing stock in this country because they are trending in South Africa, crying real tears because most of them have to evict they offices by Monday😂😂😂. Maybe they will start working harder now. They even went house to house campaigning and washing peoples clothes. They just wanted to show how desperate they were. But we enjoy the moment the mighty warriors fall in this country. They even told the citizens they would rule until Jesus come. We are now telling them we saw Jesus roaming around South Africa. They were way too arrogant. These people now are our time to celebrate they downfall.

[@Eoaiyer21987rhei]

The leader of the BJP this week said he had been sent by God and was not entirely human..... Hard to imagine what this could be a step up from.

[@thepoleontheroad]

If anything, it's the first step in the right direction for South Africa.

[@ndumisomthethwa7497]

please team up with the DA

[@FictionHubZA]

It's the only logical answer.

[@M-3-L-O-N]

FK no. ANC is time is up, they must be forgotten, as all they do is try remain relevant by appealing to the past for relevancy. And have since not allowed many of the people to move past the past. The ANC's death means SA can finally move forward, but unfortunately many former voters just moved to even worse parties like MK and EFF. And they wonder why life continues to get worse for them. Its just convenient to blame the past and white people to deflect from the fact that the very parties people vote for, are the ones responsible for their poor disposition.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@FictionHubZA It would be a dysfunctional govt., and a disaster for both parties as their supporters will see it as the highest betrayal.

[@FictionHubZA]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn the anc elected Ramaphosa because he promised reforms. The DA has been pretty clear that they will work with the anc. They've said this since 2019. Nothing new.

[@FictionHubZA]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Only the most radical anc members would see this as a bad thing. A lot of them already left during the state capture investigations. Ace, Karl, etc.

[@py8554]

EFF must be a deep admirer of Mugabe’s policies in Zimbabwe

[@MrNoobomnenie]

EFF is actually quite considerably to the left of Mugabe. They site Burkina Faso's Thomas Sankara as their main inspiration

[@ALeaud]

They are. They're also pro-Hamas, pro-North Korea and pro-Russia. Tells you a lot about what you expect from them.

[@anthonymanderson7671]

They are.

[@iwuedfh]

yeah i was thinking of that when the video talked about the EFF's policies "huh, reminds me of the ZANU-PF"

[@ALeaud]

@@iwuedfh I had a friend who worked with the EFF. According to him, the party is deeply anti-white and anti-Indian (not to mention anti-Semitic). They love Mugabe and think that Mugabe didn't go far enough.

[@deansolomon3066]

I'm really impressed how much TLDR actually understands South Africa. You can see how their understanding has improved over time with even pronunciations getting better even though they mispronounced Steenhuisen. Please keep the job going and telling the world about South Africa

[@victorinohansford8394]

As a South African who Participated in the election, we have a system that is deeply connected to the racial divide of the pre 94 era. The loyalty people in my country have to the liberating party is extremely understated. This combined with a lack of faith in politics amongst our youth, is the reason why the ANC still gains the largest vote share. People here are either too scared of change or have don’t believe that it is possible, but with a voter turnout of 59% it’s hard to not put the blame on us as the citizens.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Considering that they are choosing even worse parties.... Racist Marxist (even China understood it doesn't work but at least they weren't racist) 🤣 and tribal parties in the 21st century.... There is literally no way south Africa will be saved.

[@TheHabsification]

People have been predicting the end and the eventual collapse of RSA. So don't be surprised when the country split into different countries.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

I must say, with so many options and with the struggle and sacrifice to achieve democracy, more people should vote.

[@captainvanisher988]

The divide of the pre 94 era was far lesser than it is today. The racial liberators managed to destroy a once great country and make it one of the worse places to live in. Fun Fact: South Africa today has more racist laws than any time pre94. It's just that they are against a different race.

[@bobsemple9341]

By making it so race dependent you did this to urself. You failed your country

[@zanzamanzaanza5981]

I may not be South African, but as an objective outsider, I'm honestly excited that the ANC is gradually falling in the polls after 30 years in power. OF COURSE it lost its' way over time. Great to see it get punished for corruption & incompetence, it's clearly not doing a good job for SA as is. I just hope the ANC teams up with a rational, diverse centrist party that can rein them in... Ya know, instead of a radical nationalist freak or an actual convicted criminal. Either of which will hurt SA, just like they do to EVERY nation. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

[@wadep4880]

As a South African I can say this was an excellent, comprehensive and truthful analysis.

[@DIEKALSTER8]

The DA runs the Western Cape and on almost all metrics, it is the best performing province in the country by some margin.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

”I sold out my land for money, the poor suffer but we land owners are doing great!!” Big success!!

[@DIEKALSTER8]

@@daseapickleofjustice7231 Ye, I don't own shit. Get your head out of your ass.

[@bisimexico5966]

This country is BROKEN...believe you me

[@suspiciousafternoon]

the people of KZN got the message although now they have a fox in their hen house but the people of Eastern Cape really haven't learnt anything over the past 30 years. shame on them

[@Murrels_Gaming]

I have zero sympathy for the 64% ANC supporters in the Eastern Cape.

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

What about Limpopo who vote in higher percentage for ANC than Eastern Cape? Or Eastern Cape is just easy pick! Also KZN voter for a criminal litterally, the is nothing better that they did..

[@MissSlenda]

The Eastern Cape and Limpopo is just a disgrace to be part of this country. They are sleeping on they brains. They bore most South Africans these 2 provinces.

[@angielsomi8392]

What kzn learn for voting someone who was once a president for years and failed in front of them but they still voting for him 😏

[@Neez07]

Really what about Limpompo ,they like picking up on Eastern Cape.as if Zuma was not from the same group of corrupt people who let down people of SouthAfrika.

[@KoketsoR7]

South Africa we did it. Let's vote this government out in the next election

[@MissSlenda]

We won't have any government in this country and won't have a president soon. These parties and leaders can't work together. All they know and think about is who is right and who can eat much nicer. Soon, the people will government this country and decide on a president

[@Notaffiliated1]

The fact that there’s people in South Africa willing to vote for Malema’s “copy Zimbabwe” policies is mad. Taking somebody’s land because they are white is crazy. Taking somebody’s farm and giving it to somebody who isn’t a farmer is even wilder. And doing it all based on race is the craziest bit.

[@salkoharper2908]

You don't understand, it is the mindset of the barbarian. Take the land, take the crops, take the cattle, take the women. How the Zulu's would have done a 100 years ago. Thank God the British destroyed them. They were plunderers and rapers, slavers and genociders of other African tribes long before white men arrived.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

Nobody wants to take land based on race 😂 they want to nationalise land and give it to the people but it should tell you something that the land is accumulated in the white minoritys hands, South Africa has a journey to rid itself of colonialism but they will. The EFF has the support of the commander in charge 🇷🇺🤝🏻🇿🇦

[@Maria-s9h3n]

ANC. A person who inherited massive wealth. But choose to squader everything. Shame on you

[@badyoutuber1986]

A person?

[@IanWHachi]

@@badyoutuber1986 It's an analogy.

[@robertjarman3703]

South Africa was independent in 1910 as a dominion or arguably 1931 when the Statute of Westminster was adopted.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Nobody celebrates those days in South Africa. Freedom Day is the actual independence day that is celebrated.

[@danhobart4009]

The South african republic existed long before that and temporarily stopped existing between 1903 and 1910 between the genocide and occupation.

[@robertjarman3703]

@@jasonhaven7170 While true, that should probably have been explained if they were going to use the word independence given that term usually refers to when foreign powers don't control the country anymore, not whom among the country itself is in power.

[@TimeMakerDotPH]

They adopted the Statute of Westminster with a counterpart act only in 1934. So 1934 is the most correct year that South Africa gained independence.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@robertjarman3703 Foreign powers were in control: the Boers.

[@pamelamonteiro9601]

It is the old die hard that voted anc. But enough young people voted, with knowledge & foresight, knowing they will be the one to change SA for all people. This election results have started the ball rolling, & it will gather motion to show real progress in the 2029 election. To every young person that voted Thank you. ❤

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

No. The DA's voteshare is pretty much static. Even young people aren't voting for them. If anything, they're turning more towards the EFF, not the main opposition party. Most SAans don't like the DA, including young ones.

[@pamelamonteiro9601]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn hi tx for your reply. I did not mention who the young voters, voted for, it does not matter, yet. They voted for the party that was offering a good pre election manifesto for them. So to all the beautiful young, it's you who will make SA great again, it will just take time. With the next few elections you will have grown & understand further what you will accept.

[@joffreyvanreusel4655]

The biggest surprise of this election is the one EFF vote in Orania.

[@MissSlenda]

😂😂😂that was very funny😂😂😂South Africa always have surprises up they sleeves.

[@joshuaswart8211]

I mean, not really. The EFF famously got a couple votes in Orania in 2014 and 2019 too. If anything, 😂 their share of the vote in Orania has gone down slightly. (But yes, it’s very funny that anyone there votes for them.)

[@joffreyvanreusel4655]

@@joshuaswart8211 ahaha, didn’t know the past.

[@evelynemugeni2369]

Colonisers 😅can not vote EFF

[@randomhumanofearth7267]

send arms to Russia ah ex colony helping colonizer against colonized how hypocritical

[@gidget330]

Yeah it's a weird thing to do

[@alexanderb996]

I have a secret for you. African leaders really don't care at all about colonization. It's just a talking point for the voter base, who mostly have no access to the internet. Hell even thee South African government don't care about apartheid, just that they were the ones at the bottom

[@bobsemple9341]

Russia hasn't really colonized as much as other western nations. Russia is also viewed well by many former colonies due to their anti America stance

[@alexanderb996]

@@bobsemple9341 Russia is one of the only countries actively colonising Africa. Hell, the CAR basically belongs to Wagner

[@bobsemple9341]

@@alexanderb996 France isn't colonising Africa eh? U don't sound smart

[@wernervanrooyen7866]

EFF "EVENTUALLY FOUND FRAUDULENT"!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@harrymaxwell9342]

"ANC Radicals would resist a coalition with a 'White Party'" Sad to see South Africa hasn't moved on from racial politics.

[@alexanderb996]

Yup. African nationalists have poisoned South African to such a degree that there's not much hope for the next few decades

[@marshalsunrise6582]

It never will , The reason is simple really , nothing happened to the aggressors , no one was punished . So there will always be mistrust and hatred in the heart of most black south Africans

[@kevincronk7981]

I'm American and for a long time thought our 2 party system was the worst form of democracy. But South Africa had an even worse one until now, a one party system

[@sphumelelesijadu]

Fun to watch how different news sources run through the various coalition options

[@JürgenNiemann-k2h]

south africans be like: more racism will solve the problems

[@cg6176]

Educate yourself.

[@JürgenNiemann-k2h]

@@cg6176 Educate yourself.

[@Thatonepersonyouheard]

That's a childish misreading of the situation

[@AidanJacobs-jc7tp]

As a South African that has spent a lot of time all over the world, I have experienced the least racism anywhere in South Africa. There are issues in the country but a growing sentiment of anti-racism I have definitely experienced

[@JürgenNiemann-k2h]

@@AidanJacobs-jc7tp idk if leaders of outher countries parties say that they should kill all white people but idk maybe im imagining things :)

[@almighty5839]

The fact people still vote based on race and for the anc is sad they’ve destroyed South Africa

[@CuracaoRevisited]

ANC is like FIFA: highly corrupt, convicted of criminal charges, nobody likes them but they still stay in power 😢

[@Qkat11o]

Any freedom fighting parties lose Lustre within 20 years of rule. Look at ZANUPF, AND ANC,. what do you expect? They get too comfortable at the top, meanwhile messing and by the, time they wake up, things are not as normal any more.

[@bradleychauke]

“One of the most broken countries in the world”? I know South Africa has high inequalities and a lot of issues but I wouldn’t call it that…

[@YaboiArcc]

OMG!, thx sooo much for explaining everything, I finely understand whats going on😅

[@LiveFreeOrDieDH]

The ANC still managed a plurality in the face of gross incompetence, corruption, and severely deteriorating quality of life. If the current situation won't change people's minds, what would it take for another party to actually overtake them?

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

ANC and DA coalition would be the best thing to happen to SA given the circumstances, but it's unlikely to happen🥺.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

It could happen.

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

​@@fullmetaltheoristI hope so..

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

I think it's the most likely outcome

[@Mimi.1001]

@@chesterdonnelly1212 I agree, the ANC has to rely on one of the bigger parties. The EFF & MK straight up hate them and would lose a lot of their populist voting base if they end up collaborating. DA of course doesn't really want to collaborate with the ANC either, but their leader said they would be open to it.

[@1986aurora]

DA and anc is only way to save rsa.if amc had any integrity that would join da as it is the 2nd highest voted for parry but we all know anc will rather go with one of their ppl as they like to say and just bribe them into staying in power. Anc is going to f up what ppl have clearly voted for, change. Rsa is dead

[@jamesbarry1673]

Thank God the South Africans have said enough of the ANC no one wants to end up like Zimbabwe

[@horse.395]

Now that the ANC has lost majority I hope there will be good things coming for South Africa .🤞🤝🙏

[@fullmetaltheorist]

This is a new era.

[@MissSlenda]

They have no chance but to work harder because another surprise will be on them again.

[@philip7039]

nah south afruca is doomed if a coalition is formed with anyone but DA

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

@@philip7039 South Africa is doomed if it keps up western inspired politics like DA and ANC wants

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

New era with BRICS, new system like China, new discipline like Rossiya 🇷🇺🤝🏻🇨🇳🤝🏻🇿🇦

[@Adrian-Sko]

South Africa is a beautiful country, and if it wouldn't be for corruption, it might be a prospering nation that matters more on the world stage. I hope South Africa turns around, and gets on the right track, would love to visit it someday.

[@huwgrossmith9555]

Surprised the ANC lasted this long.

[@FritsKist]

Neurological inbreeding rules the world.

[@skadonksa]

*27 million were registerred, only about 16 million people voted

[@MissSlenda]

Because IEC didn't do they work right. So many people were turned back from the voting station they registered at. But for some reason, people were told they names are not on the list and are somewhere else far from where they stay. There were a lot of mixed ups happening, so that's why most people didn't get the chance to vote.

[@hlogilehlogonolo5438]

Why is everyone so shocked abt this?? I Thought as a country we’ve come to the conclusion The ANC must fall😭

[@GenericUsername1388]

It's always Eastern Cape 😭

[@MissSlenda]

We happy believe it. Eastern Cape and Limpopo are not part of us they must suffer alone there because we all received the memo, and Bona decided to continue giving these people power. I'm proud of KZN they really went all out to defeat the ANC

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

EFF will save South Afrika. Trust me bratan. There is a plan in motion. 🇷🇺🚩🤝🏻🇨🇳🚩🤝🏻🇿🇦🚩

[@thembelandesi4741]

By 2030 ANC will be voted completely out. “There is only one way to eat an elephant: a bite at a time.” Desmond Tutu.

[@eladweissman9184]

I am not so familiar with the south African politics, but it seems like this country left apartheid only to go towards the other end of the spectrum?

[@lewisbaitup6352]

What? Systemic equality? LOL.

[@ryangriffith5551]

Ahhh yes the old “this brand of socialism doesn’t work because it’s too moderate! Let’s go further left! That will work!”

[@joshuaswart8211]

I mean, the ANC aren’t even slightly socialist.

[@FritsKist]

In desperation, you're own hand becomes the last straw.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

The EFF would make South Afrika the next China. With the support of the BRICS alliance the land stealers will tremble. Land for the people!

[@lordyoda607]

Not gonna lie, EFF Sounds like National Communists, in other words, black African Nazi communists.

[@stuartslyper1479]

Thank you for covering this topic. Your pronunciation of South African names is (mostly) very impressive!

[@fact6360]

as a german south african i find it absolutely wild that people vote for anc or eff ... or the MK party. SA is fucked if DA doesn't da a coalition

[@Healingson]

Are you German or South African, pick a side ma’am

[@ImperialKnight86]

What's a german south african?

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@ImperialKnight86A South African of German descent or a German immigrant who has received citizenship. It’s not that hard, genius.

[@ImperialKnight86]

@@dannyarcher6370 The latter I suspected, but internet is full of wonders. If you are South African with German descent, then you're just South African. It's stupid when people say this. Family lived in America for generations, have an American accent, I'm Australian American. See that stupid that is? Insulting people on the internet? Hope you feel big and proud.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@ImperialKnight86 usually when people respond the way you did, it’s to make the OPPOSITE point. Hence my retort. They will say there’s no such thing as a German South African because only blacks are the REAL South Africans. It is, indeed, stupid but for the opposite reason. Take care, Bruce.

[@papillion6741]

The ANC caused their own downfall, and Ramaphosa Madd it even worse. They belittled the people of SA, and we are tired of them.

[@Zwanzig92]

Correction - people who don’t like the ANC didn’t quite move to the EFF. The EFF lost a lot of ground this election. Other smaller parties like the Patriot Alliance took those ANC votes.

[@joshuaswart8211]

Ja, many of those votes also went to MK. The votes the EFF got now aren’t really that different from the votes they got back in 2019, and even 2014. The EFF (and DA, honestly) seem to be reaching an electoral ceiling.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

It is natural for the EFF to surge. They are a new party for the new world. That have the support of the commander in charge! 🇷🇺🇨🇳🤝🏻🇿🇦

[@DarrenWatson64]

Karma is catching up to the ANC. It's only a matter of time.

[@Pat-Van-Canada]

Black nationalist is a vast understatement. I wish you could call them a hate group

[@QuentinWatt]

You got this one wrong… MK would be a horrible party to make coalition with. MK’s manifesto would like to nationalise all of our banks, and all land in South Africa. It makes the EFF’s views on land expropriation look good… MK is literally EFF on on drugs x10.

[@hughporter2541]

Awesome less corruption now

[@louvendran7273]

South Africa's problem is the current president & his cronies have sucked out all money aimed at the reconstruction of economic equality & reversal prejudicial legacies. This has allowed them a net worth ~ > $100B when combined with the Zuma coalition The problem with the public service is blatant "defunding" a term coined by right wing Yankees no different from South Africans in ideology. Both electricity & water supply & drainage if privatised like in the UK would allow the the current brass first dibs on purchasing those monopolies & then racketeering the country. This has been drawn in detail from the playbook of Margaret Thatcher herself for brilliantly destroying the UK energy public sector into a private, profiteering racket. Too bad she wasn't alive to see her coup des grâce during the covid energy crisis. I'm sure she rolled over in her grave to celebrate her total victory. So as you see dear neo-liberal writers, some of us can dish out better than you can serve. Like an any neo-liberal state, the state is a capitalist kleptocracy. The ANC has from the stepping down of Mandela in 1999 been a kleptocracy. It is regrettable that Thabo Mbeki, his selected successor who was educated & lived in the UK for almost 30 years let him down. The current President wanted the throne as successor to Mandela but was sidelined as Mandela knew his treachery. He thus took the route of securing minority shares from the various mines owned by MNCs as an equity buy-in secured by government guarantees. I specialised in this branch of Finance within mergers & acquisitions. A small black elite had become billionaires overnight through the sale of equity portions of Publicly Listed Companies & Private Companies conducting business/contracting to Government. Special Bank licenses were purchased by the state via a state shell corporation to provide bank guarantees as securities for each buyout. That is only a single body of corruption called BEE an acronym for Black Economic Empowerment. If get a 100 likes. I will do a video on corruption. My pledge

[@nadeemb3300]

The Palestinian genocide was really the only issue the majority of the country stood with the ANC on, but there's no way we could look past the incompetence, corruption and arrogance of this party.

[@PhilipLaSnail]

The genocide of killing 36k out of 7M is really unfortunate. It really puts the Genocide of 6M out of 17M to ashame.

[@nadeemb3300]

@@PhilipLaSnail it really does

[@Adam-wg2rf]

​​@@nadeemb3300you understand that what he said is no it's not a genocide .

[@nadeemb3300]

@@Adam-wg2rf I'm aware that he was being a sarcastic cunt, I was just being one back.

[@Adam-wg2rf]

​@@nadeemb3300well lad, no need to lie i saw that he lost a like after i said thay, and "it really does" is not sarcastic talk it's just you saing it's ok to kill 6M people.

[@heiniedr]

Well done on an awesome video! The information is completely accurate and well informed! This includes pronunciations of names, etc. I love and admire all the great videos you do about South Africa

[@nathangaytano1431]

I guess political change is slow and steady really, this is a step for a better future but maybe not big enough.

[@Andrewza1]

it will be a big jump in 5 to 10 years. A lot of ANC voters are ould rural black people who vote out of deep loyality that younger black voters dont have. The main issue is age of those voters.

[@FlanPoirot]

50% of people still voted for the ANC or MK, nothing's changed. south africa is doomed not because the politicians are corrupted (they are) but because the people are happy to give these crooks the time of day. whatever they get, they asked for it.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@Andrewza1 What? The DA lost votes. Most of ANC's lost votes went to MK.

[@jasonhaven7170]

What? The DA lost votes. Most of ANC's lost votes went to MK.

[@gidget330]

@@jasonhaven7170 He wasn't referring to the change of voters, he's talking about the voters still supporting ANC. It's not the only factor, but it's a big reasoning behind ANC support. Many people that came from apartheid understand "The evil of the white man", so they vote ANC in fear of a white government. But the new generation hasn't grown up with hate or understanding of the malice of apartheid. So when these older people die, the ANC will lose a bulwark of their support.

[@sicko_the_ew]

The combination of the _whole_ of the white, Indian and Coloured (self-identified by this string of phonemes) populations would give you something like 18 or 19 percent of the population, so in that sense the DA might be a "European-aligned" party, if not ethnically "white" - depending on how you define that. Certainly these not-black-enough groups would make up a big chunk of DA support, but members of all these communities are supporters of the full range of political opinion. (A lot of local Communists, for instance, are white, and would vote ANC, which includes the Communists). Being generous, let's say they contribute to 15% of that 21%. Then there's still 6% to explain. And these have to be black, don't they? The DA is more like an urbanized middle class party (where MK has turned out to be a rural-traditional party if you look at how the voting has gone. Yes, black, too, but the more important distinction is that a lot of the support is more rural, and almost entirely Zulu. It could change its name to the Zulu Empire Party without being too inaccurate.) The DA had a black leader for quite a long time (unless you want to exclude him from that because his wife is white). There was conflict, he left, and then they just picked the guy they felt was the best woman for the job. I'm pretty sure they'd rather still have a black leader if they could (because they'd get a few votes just on that account) but John Steenhuisen has earned his place, so he gets to be the leader. Not the worst basis on which to choose a leader, I think? (No, you wouldn't lose any white votes by having a black leader. Not in practice, anyway. Those voters would vote for a one of the parties willing to enter into coalitions with the DA, so you'd indirectly get their votes back if you lost them.)

[@zurielsss]

They still voted for ANC and that Zumba party 😂 South Africa is doomed

[@francois7491]

No other channel in South Africa has made a more comprehensive summary of the elections and current political landscape in South Africa. Thank you!

[@de132]

I've always felt there isn't really a place for a revolutionary party in a Post-Revolution state, respectfully

[@silverwatchdog]

True. They may be good at fighting but governing is a completely different skill that revolutionary parties are almost never good at.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

China.

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

@@silverwatchdogyeah if you ignore China/North Korea/Iran/Syria/Nicaragua/Cuba/Vietnam/Angola/Laos then revolutionary governments never last 😂😂😂

[@Insectoid_2]

I am south African and currently watching this video on solar power because power has been out for a full day now 💀

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

Friend I tell you this, the EFF gets in power and we (🇷🇺🇨🇳) will ensure hard time is over

[@iggy751]

None of them sound great honestly

[@cyclonicleo]

Corruption has ruined Africa, with South Africa really suffering. So many people with the means have left and more will do so.

[@glenncheatham1320]

🙄 This place is a lost cause.

[@nasirvuyo3329]

ANC is currently sitting on 40.18%...never thought I'd see the day

[@ocanica3184]

"Since the end of Apartheid" not independence.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Freedom Day is independence day. The natives of South Africa do not celebrate the day Boers got freedom

[@danhobart4009]

@@jasonhaven7170 Boers were in SA 150 years before the Congolese arrived.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@danhobart4009 Nope, the Bantus were there for 2000 years.

[@danhobart4009]

​@@jasonhaven7170 The native Khoi were, its well documented how they were wiped out by the bantu invaders.

[@danhobart4009]

@@jasonhaven7170 Any particular reason you decided on 2000 years? Wouldn't 3000 have sounded better?

[@jabujolly9020]

The entre history of South Africa going back as far as we can remember is shit. Wars, multiple apartheids, genocides, constant crimes against humanity. Those who travel through South Africa marveling at the beauty of the landscape have no idea how blood soaked the soil is. There was only one bright period in all of South Africa's history and that was the period from 1994 to 2008 when the old ANC under the Three Ms--Mandela, Mbeki, and Motlantle--ran the place. It was the one and only time the country was coming right. Then it was all ruined.

[@digipifini]

Since independence? You mean since the end of apartheid?

[@User.777.1]

Which is independence

[@user-df1ns1ob8y]

@@User.777.1No, it‘s not. South Africa formally got independence in 1910 or 1931 (or both).

[@digipifini]

2 completely different things in the English language @User.777.1 that or you’re lacking the mental capacity to tell the difference

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

Independence from the colonialist families=end of apartheid. But still not full independent, still colonial families own the land.

[@thefriendlychap4132]

Most South Africans would agree you're doing Nelson Mandela a disservice by continuing to associate his name with the criminal classes of South Africa (The ANC).

[@kinghenry100]

I hope there is less hatred to the minority White population.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Not until they return the stolen land and wealth

[@tnamr5652]

​@@jasonhaven7170Exactly White crime mist be accepted while others suffer

[@PhilipLaSnail]

@@jasonhaven7170 Pfft, ask Mozambique how did the "return of stolen lands" have succeed in their country. Now everyone there are Trilioners! (Edit: I meant Zimbabwe, not Mozambique)

[@bobsemple9341]

​@@PhilipLaSnailwtf are u even talking about.

[@PhilipLaSnail]

@@bobsemple9341 Oops, I mean Zimbabwe, but I highly advise you to check why their economy have stopped growing past the 2000's.

[@Peggyg13]

Ramaphosa is a criminal & the ANC is very corrupt. This is why they lost. They ought to be kicked out completely.

[@geraldrafferty5485]

TOOK 30 LONNNNNNG YEARS TO EDUCATE MASSES !!!! BUT MEMORIES ARE SHORT, WELL SEE !!!!

[@RollAway-ni2wx]

ANC, EFF and MK supporters do not vote based on policy; Zuma moving to MK caused ANC's poll numbers ... nothing else

[@TimeMakerDotPH]

SA is so fvcqed up, they need to choose between 4 parties: 1 Communist party 1 White minority party 2 pro-corruption parties 😂😂😂

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

It's not white people's fault if everyone else has no idea how to rule.

[@CMuscleCrisis]

Of course it's gonna be a white minority party genius this is south africa

[@mybru1]

It's not a white minority party you racist cnt. The DA has becomed more popular with black youth hence why the DA has gained around 50% more black supporters

[@PrincessRedine]

The DA is not a white minority party, most of its support come from colored or mixed race people.

[@User.777.1]

But what about black people in the DA ​@@mybru1

[@butter_nut1817]

Cyril Ramaphosa isn't just a business tycoon. He was instrumental in drafting South Africa's constitution. This made his ineffectiveness even more disheartening and I think it really was the final nail in the coffin for the ANC's majority.

[@sammni]

If the left doesn’t work vote more left 😂

[@chanlanfan4017]

South African here, just wanted to say well said, and great pronunciation 👍

[@TyroneLangam]

Jacob Zoomer 😳😳😳

[@sammyreacts6416]

It’s spelt Zuma 😊

[@OdinAllfather123]

fr fr no cap

[@cgt3704]

South Africa is broken beyond repair. I am frank to say that this crisis can only be solved with a miracle

[@aaronjones8905]

That level of unemployment is ONLY possible from government intervention. It's inconceivable that a population left to their own devices would leave almost 2 out of 5 people without any form of gainful employment. It's patently absurd.

[@cupidsfavouritecherub9327]

The ANC had to go, but anyone voting MK thinking they will be different is delusional. Zuma imo is the sole reason south africa is in the position it's in today, most people have no idea how damaging state capture was and the scale of the looting the Guptas and Zuma's cronies did. Eskom devolved to its current state under Zuma's "leadership". Also, I'd describe MK as more right-wing than leftist, they're explicitly Zulu ethnonationalist and want a smaller govt with more regional authority for the provinces. The EFF is the only real leftist major party. The MK's policy manifesto is insane lol its literally just vibes, probably scrawled two days before the election. Fingers crossed the coalition is with the EFF or the DA, MK is just a Zulu ethnonationalist populist party following an unfortunately charismatic leader in the style of Trump and MAGA. A DA-ANC coalition would pull the govt to the right, and probably be amenable to foreign investors but that would do nothing to address the inequality in the country (the worst in the world) and tbh their naive neoliberal optimism and unwillingness to have the uncomfortable but necessary conversations about race and economic disparity post-apartheid will probably make it worse. They have an obvious issue with admitting that the white minority made off like bandits and that apartheid was more wide-reaching than black people not being allowed to use certain toilets. An EFF-ANC coalition would pull the govt to the left and maybe actually help the avg Saffa but the EFF is still a new party and Malema has unrealistic demands. Also they're obviously inexperienced in governance. Though the same goes for the DA, they are unproven in national governance. I have huge doubts that their model of governance can scale up to the nation level. But we'll see.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Careful, the youtube commentors here don't think the white minority did anything wrong

[@danhobart4009]

The EFF is literally the african version of that german party from the 1930s and 40s. But anyways, hopefully you get lots of forced diversity and you can experience it for yourself.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@danhobart4009 That's not what's happening. South Africa is becoming more and more Black and less and less European (Boer and the others) over time.

[@danhobart4009]

@@jasonhaven7170 Yes south african whites are either leaving or getting murdered by black ethnonationalists.

[@horsepowerfc337]

Apartheid is there, people won't just forget about it. Though, I honestly think that we really need a saviour. We need to boost our economy, create jobs, DA is the right party for that. Unfortunately, the black man cannot trust the white man, not because the white man is untrustworthy, the new world makes it impossible for the white man to be cheeky. But because the black man has lost his ability to trust. He would rather die of famine and lack of jobs than trust the white man. That's that! KZN as a whole is a Right Wing state. Not just the MK. The EFF, on the other hand is just anti-white or everyone who is not black. That is an issue. I am only rubbing my hands in anticipation on how the MK stunt will work out because it could be better or worse. That entirely depends on the tactics of the Devil that is Zuma. The DA could do wonders in SA, I wish my fellow Zulus in my homeland could see that. We would deal with their racist crap when we get there Because we know that they are racist. Those who are loyal to the ANC... I don't blame them. But I say, a toxic family member does not deserve forgiveness just because they are family.

[@skinwalker_]

I’m a South African who immigrated as after Mandela it became clear that corruption was sole intention of the ANC but I still have some business interests and my Zulu business partner has just moved his family out of SA saying that they had no faith in the government or the future of SA. My parents still live there and I hope the likes of Julias Malema don’t make it into running the country while they are still alive. If you thought Zimbabwe was bad then I think SA collapse is going to be way worse.

[@gekko1810]

well done on getting out mate. SA sadly looks like a lost cause.