Tennis with Nate: USTA NTRP 4.5 vs 5.0 Highlights HD

[@maxxvelox2852]

Great videos. Thanks for sharing. It's fun to watch non-pro tennis sometimes. One point that many commenters seem to be unaware of is that videos like these make the ball appear to be traveling much slower than being live. I was shocked at how slow it looked like I was hitting the ball when my matches were video taped. Winners that I was excited to review on video didn't look nearly as impressive as I thought they would. On the other hand, anyone who has been to a pro event and was able to sit really close to court side knows that TV doesn't do justice to the unreal power these guys hit with. To my eye, your game is a very solid 4.5 simply based on your consistency, athleticism and hustle. Keep up the great work!

[@tennistim]

Thanks for pointing out the difference in ball speed, totally agree with you that things look slower on playback than in real life, just like how TV doesn't do pro tennis justice! I was in Indian Wells last week and can attest. Thanks for watching!

[@eegnoagn8048]

So many years passed by and many youtubers still think that NTRP is based on their opinions. Tim, you are so lucky to have played with many good players. Nate's ball control, tactics, and consistency justified his 5.0.

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

funny I'm coming from another 4.5/5.0 video, but this 4.5 here is waaay better.

[@evanmichel632]

I wish I had competition like this where I live in Maryland, the closest I have is an inter club league with a bunch 60 year old lobbers

[@InfiniteQuest86]

Where in MD?

[@evanmichel632]

InfiniteQuest86 Harford County

[@InfiniteQuest86]

Yeah, that's a little ways out there. I'm in Howard County and still struggling to figure out where to play. I don't get it. There must be a ton of players around somewhere.

[@evanmichel632]

InfiniteQuest86 Yeah besides high school matches I would have to drive over an hour to play in Baltimore

[@retiiiic3600]

There's some decent tennis in AA county its starting to get bigger as time goes on. I guess it also depends on youre rating and where you live.

[@msongbird5447]

Team Shirts's serve motion is interesting

[@trungtumai]

His back will break someday

[@scout5955]

@@trungtumai gets the job done tho

[@betalpha314]

Do you have a rematch in store? Nate is an excellent mover and steady player but I do think you can take him

[@intlvoiceofreason9239]

excellent mover? hmmm...

[@alwaysprepared]

I think you are quicker around the court than Nate is. You did take advantage of that by hitting your groundstrokes side to side and some dropshots. He didn't seem to handle wide balls well. Nate's groundies looked awkward, but they were still effective. Nate's overhead looked pretty solid while your overheads seemed a bit weak by comparison - gave him too many second chances. You really fought well on those match points at 2-5! Good job there! I like watching your matches. Would be nice to see all the points, but that is a ton of editing! Thanx for posting these!

[@leebr2010]

He played real solid defense, making you hit those extra balls. In that heat, it's not easy. I can relate/commiserate. Nice serving by the way.

[@fillingstationphuketthaila5505]

Great channel bro. Love it

[@AtticussAtticuss]

Oh man, tough match! Seemed like you did really well controlling the rallies, only to miss out on the final shot. I hate when that happens.😞 I bet you’d take at least a set in a rematch.

[@tennistim]

Thanks, yeah Nate played great defense and I missed some putaways

[@TheAudioman15]

This is terrific tennis man! Love it!

[@tennistim]

thanks!

[@YONGHOTennis]

Excellent stroke with good balance & footwork!!

[@olfam7197]

I have seen to many people with good strokes get destroyed

[@LagWYeh]

Awesome vid! I know you said the camera cut out but I got a bit confused when I saw both you and Nate serving at 5-2 at the second set :P

[@tennistim]

Sorry, I forgot to switch the serving asterisk. Nate was serving at 5-2, second set.

[@Pinworms666]

Nice play from both of you guys!

[@Laminator]

5.0 with the ugliest strokes lol

[@EP-77o]

Laminator Crazy hustle and anticipation though. These kinds of players make their living by making better players play bad.

[@drincmusic2769]

he's alright. it doesn't really matter if you have good strokes or not, what matters is if you win.

[@DurpenHeimer]

@@jkang11111 which is why rank is based on multiple matches, and not just 1

[@francislirios9730]

I believe Nate is the classic “pusher”. Gets LOTS of balls back and loves to defend. Most balls he hits back is towards the center and deep.

[@dmmusicmusic]

@@drincmusic2769 GOOD STROKES MATTER CAUSE OVER TIME THEY = HIGHER PERCENTAGE of made shots. I thought both were hitting all-right but a bit lazy on footwork and movement, especially the bigger guy, maybe play some basketball for cross-training.

[@gomezaddams4347]

Tim clearly has better strokes and should be the better player. I wish I had a dollar for every relatively easy shot he missed due to nerves and/or lack of confidence.

[@dcstef7971]

or lack of experience

[@swalterstennis]

Good match. It’s a lot tougher in person than it looks on video.

[@nathanpeters1763]

You guys are strong players. Tim, I'd investigate how tight you are holding the racket on the forehand side, I suspect you could add a surprising amount of power simply by loosening your grip about 30%. You should immediately notice quite a bit more power if you play around with that. I cannot tell if it is how tight you are, or the abbreviated swing, but so many of your balls fell short throughout the match that you should take a look. You have a good forehand, it shouldn't be falling short so much, and that was as big a factor as any in the outcome.

[@tennistim]

Thanks for the advice!

[@Bubbles99718]

That's an interesting tip. Never heard that one before. Sounds a bit snake oily though

[@nikae09]

Does Nate have any lead tape on his APD? He gets some easy power, doesn't look like regular 300g racket - I might be wrong.

[@fizzanan]

Hey where do you put your camera on court ? Don’t you think that a ball can strike the camera and break it ? I have a similar setup at home but scared to use it on court .

[@Yinyinpooerful]

i am so very confident now after watching them play 👍

[@masanchoquelargo]

Tim how tall are u?

[@junma9875]

Great match. Nate played great defense and has firepower to hit winners when you give him a short ball. But you did miss more out away shots than normal, perhaps Nate’s defense caused those misses, knowing he is going to be on the run to get it he ball?

[@RomanDobs]

what sport is this 5.0 playing?

[@samurai7411]

If nate made his ball toss a little higher he could get a lot of free points on his serve with angles.... that being said, its still tough!

[@therealkylekelly]

can anyone explain how these players seem to keep the racket face so closed when hitting their forehands yet they get good topspin and it rarely goes into the net?

[@InfiniteQuest86]

Really hitting through the ball and follow through to the opposite ear. If you only brush up on the ball and follow through to the ear, you won't have the power to clear the net and get deep. If you only hit through (with power) the ball without following through high to the ear, the ball is going into the net since you won't lift it up for clearance. It is less necessary the more open the face.

[@therealkylekelly]

Thanks for the response, I have 2 videos of me playing on my channel if you don't mind taking a look and analyzing them? I'm really trying to improve my ground strokes and footwork right now.

[@SkyreeXScalabar]

it might look closed when they set up but it opens at contact

[@lastofusclips5291]

remember these are highlights. they won't show too many crappy points so it makes it look like they are better than they are.

[@swalterstennis]

Racket face is vertical at contact. Or within 5 degrees of vertical. It only looks closed to the naked eye.

[@daniellopezlopez2114]

just for asking, in this type of ranking with numbers, what would be my ranking? Decent 1st serve, Strong 2nd Serve, Decent Forehand, Good Backhand, Strong Volleys and Smashes, Mentally Strong, Good DropShots and Slices. Thank You

[@bestrusthacks6943]

daniel lópez lópez you need to post video evidence. When you saw “decent”, “strong”, etc. we need a way to see it for ourselves. I can say i have a strong serve but that could be a strong serve for like 3.5 level, but weak for 4.0 +. Having videos of you hitting and playing multiple games would give us a good idea of your level.

[@bestrusthacks6943]

daniel lópez lópez cuz accurate rankings come from many matches (100+)

[@daniellopezlopez2114]

@@bestrusthacks6943 ok, thnx

[@Justin-fromtennis]

Not sure if Ian Westerman got permission from you, but he used this video in one of his instructional videos.

[@tennistim]

Hmm I didn't hear from him about it. Can you link which video?

[@Jusio4606]

@@tennistim kzbin.info/www/bejne/ammodXpso51nm8k at 3:41

[@neondiamondsaquaberry17]

When did the 5.0 show up during this clip?

[@simpbeforeusleep]

🤣

[@nilessamaniego2783]

Nice match! How do you like your Pure Strike? I'm thinking about getting one... Also what string are you using?

[@tennistim]

I really like it! My string info is in the vid description

[@RealMudSkipper]

That abbreviated ball toss

[@Smoothie782]

How fast is your serve

[@gxyxy1012]

i would assume 70s to possibly low 100 on his faster serves

[@hudsonderisi]

Do you have a utr?

[@tennistim]

8.21 currently. Been as high as 9 in the past year but they're always tweaking their algorithm.

[@hudsonderisi]

@@tennistim Nice im only a 6 im really grinding hard

[@distinctdim]

Tim what pants are those

[@tomsd8656]

I've seen videos of yours and the improvement in mechanic of strokes is remarkable. You're the stark contrast to the type of players like MEP, who doesn't care for technique, only winning, but had been paraded endlessly by various tennis Channels run by tennis instructors no less. They should have chronicled your progress instead. But they went for fad.

[@tennistim]

Wow, thanks for such a thoughtful comment! Really appreciate you following the journey and the support

[@chenxushi4004]

5:07 :D

[@kylem212]

you hit too many balls d own the middle instead of moving opponent around.. you are wayyyy more fit than him. ezzzzzzzz.

[@sylvainliu]

The guy in white has a hilarious serve

[@kevo99able]

Nate not using enough cross court shots. Most shots are to the middle and Tim can easily dictate play by controlling the direction.

[@alejandroworld1010]

Did you play collegiate tennis? If so where? If not did you receive any offers from anywhere? I know not all tennis players elect to go to the collegiate level, I’m just curious if you chose to go that route

[@adrianguiza2441]

The college players are usta 5.0?? Or what level are?

[@tennistim]

Former college players usually are at least 5.0, but depends on the college

[@satjiwan]

I believe usta stipulates that former d2 and above college players are 4.5+. But it varies a lot. Especially if someone has skills or history of being 4.5+ player but fitness knocks them down. It’s hard to play 5.0 tennis without adequate fitness. UTR is a better rating system (and will eliminate gender and age factors). But you need some recent results to get a good rating.

[@Eliott-K]

USTA's Evaluation system does put any current college male players at 5.0 or higher (played or committed to DI/DII/DIII=5.0, played #1 or 2 at an unranked DI school=5.5, DI and top 125 players=6-7). Results in people like me who are DIII but definitely should not be 5.0.

[@zontai]

Great Match... if only a little more winner shots at your game and probably will take the match to the third set...

[@theresidetective1646]

nate is a 5.0 but i think mostly because of his physical ability like height. a lot of power on hits and serve but i am not seeing the net game from him...

[@afinromli119]

Try to hit the ball earlier so your opponent won't have time for recover

[@fazrifaz2970]

Whats up Tim, I feel like your hitting lack of power with those new racquet...compare you previous videos, your hit more aggressive..correct me if I'm wrong..

[@92edro]

nate makes my neck hurt

[@TracyAWittenkeller]

C'mon man...5.0? (shakeshead)

[@bugaroosaquish7327]

Nate has a huge problem with that bent arm forehand (and even backhand actually)...so no leverage on any shot. Got to fix that!

[@JJVee427]

great vid...too many overhead mistakes, too good to be making these mistakes....and yea..might be rated 0.5 higher...

[@bubblyybubby]

That serve form tho... hmmmm

[@dxgi3737]

You were beaten by a junk ball pusher. I think you can beat him if you change your strategy. You played his rhythm.

[@DanTuber]

nate got such a jerky serve action

[@mauriciovirmond9244]

The shirtless guy is toooooo naive.

[@beamerino]

Not enough movement to be 5.0

[@tigerbalm666]

When you hit a great shot, GO TO NET! Opponent will likely make a weak return. This is the problem with amateur players...not taking advantage of great shots and wasting opportunities.

[@michaelyeopo]

I like ur shirtless matches

[@torako6700]

ＢＯＯＭ

[@kaidenqi5703]

Nice match! You should always play shirtless

[@swalterstennis]

Nate is approximately a UTR 8.3 and Tim an 8.1. I’m UTR 9.23.

[@tennistim]

Bruh my UTR is 9.17

[@swalterstennis]

Ok. That’s solid. I underestimated you.

[@derickekuka8766]

I can beat both players

[@tennistim]

Let's see it

[@idleking31]

Good match. You should always play shirtless 😉😘

[@Silverhands]

Tennis is a cruel mistress. I'll be 5.0 soon. Then I'll set my sights on 6 and 7.

[@Bubbles99718]

Why stop there. Pro hockey and pro tri athlete should be doable as well. I'm currently a pro in 4 sports....

[@masanchoquelargo]

Tim is too short

[@tennistim]

not what your mom said

[@ballzslap]

These guys not 5.0. 4.5 at best

[@vectorthurm]

ballzslap is the one and only authority on NTRP 😂

[@MikeyFreshy]

4.0 vs 4.5

[@sheawee]

No.

[@SkyreeXScalabar]

more like 3.5 vs 4.0

[@MikeyFreshy]

I wouldn't go that low. It really comes down to what area of the country they are playing. If this is in California then I would say 4.0 vs 4.5, if in Kansas then sure 4.5 vs 5.0.

[@SkyreeXScalabar]

I guess I'm higher level than I thought I was

[@rawjhaw]

top 4.0 vs top 4.5 OR weak 4.5 vs weak 5.0 -- can go either way

[@tttt12011]

bad form