TenZ Explains Why Counter Strafing Is Bad In Valorant And Explains Shrouds Movement

[@ceven4760]

This is a ploy by TenZ to get all of his enemies to stand still so he can farm them easier

[@Aspect_ATS]

😂

[@samcruz6454]

​ i know, i stop and shoot like that, and i always get clapped by high elo players

[@pleasecontactme4274]

​@@samcruz6454well cuz they're...higher elo lol

[@sofarsogod]

@@samcruz6454 xD

[@reach8763]

Demon doesn’t strafe either

[@otysafiry]

It's not that he dead stops and aims. He strafes, and shoots when he's ready. He does this incredibly quick though since he's so good. It's something I try to practice a lot in DM's. I'm not nearly as fast, but it gets so many people because they insta fire and miss while you're moving the majority of the time. A banana taught me this.

[@Koing_C]

@Prasad Narkhede lets gooooo!

[@justpinguvibin2894]

Is it an episode of his?

[@sindhurtej9638]

banana gang rise up

[@fortytwo3449]

@@justpinguvibin2894 Woohoojin's gunfight hygiene video

[@isoislol]

you are definitely plat max

[@natedizzy4939]

It is efficiency of movement. They are doing what you are but more efficiently. Practicing dead stop aiming helps to train yourself to not spaz when you see someone. A lot of times when you aim there is "slop" as in over correction or jittery movement to the target. This also applies to movement. Thus the super clean look when someone has movement very clean. Shroud has both good movement and crazy aim because his whole life has been dedicated to just that

[@sofarsogod]

I tend to do the ADAD movement which fucks my entire accuracy while shooting xD

[@oVividz]

@@sofarsogodsometimes it’s worth to skip a burst… or just ADAD slower… or wide hold A or D some people SPAM that shit you’ll never hit shots like that, also very good to DDDADAADDDAAA yk what I mean, and try to READ enemies AD (90% of players simply ADAD so you know where they’re goin next)

[@minaxn]

I think one of shroud's talent is his eye hand movement, his eye hand coordination is second to none for me.

[@Snulge]

Just because he's a pro it's still just his theory remember. Many pros have conflicting ideas and at the end of the day it's down to a few things. What works for you, and what you specifically train on. If you train to strafe you'll be good at it, if you turret you'll be good at it. Also depends on your roll, your character, the games you played in the past that got you to this point, literally so many little things.

[@mkian8434]

I agree with this, I actually had to unlearn counter strafing because in Valorant you get punished more when you're hit unlike in CS where you get hit you can recover movement faster so counter strafing is advantageous.

[@MarielaNino-ce4uw]

I just can’t my aim goes to shit

[@egall2750]

That’s not why you counter strafe in CS, lol. You do that because the physics engine is different and you have momentum, so just letting go or stopping doesn’t work. You counter strafe to put your movement error at 0. In Valorant you basically stop as soon as you let go, so counter strafing is not as important, if at all. But he still is moving in between shots and stopping as he’s shooting. Tenz has an idea but it’s not fleshed out

[@brehh1337]

I get insta tapped while counter straffing, i cant imagine standing still lmfao

[@Krihzak]

Exactly me too

[@TomMorello725]

ppl hitting headshots while they are running LOL

[@alitteralnoob3404]

@@TomMorello725 happens to me br

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

Counter strafing would make you stand still just the same though?

[@jynzu]

I come from CS, so no matter what I do, I can't help but to counter-strafe lol. However, I use it differently in Valorant. So, I dead-zone in 98% of my fights (more consistent in my opinion), but I do use counter-strafing to clear angles silently (it just feels more comfortable for me rather than pressing & letting go of my strafe keys), and I'll dead-zone if I want to quick peek/pre-fire an angle where the enemy may be. In standard gunfights, I'll start my movement towards the opposite direction of the enemy's bullets, counter-strafe to stop, then dead-zone once my movement starts up again. If you're conflicted between the two, I would personally focus on mastering the dead-zone technique over counter-strafing in this game.

[@zezanje1]

wait am i the crazy one here, does counterstrafing not work in valorant? i reached d3 back when sky australian woman got released and like i played it like counterstrike, are you not supposed to counterstrafe in this game or what?

[@jynzu]

@@zezanje1 I wouldn’t say it doesn’t work, but it’s not necessary in Valorant. So, there’s no need to learn how to counter-strafe since all you need to do is release your finger from the strafe keys.

[@theenoodlegod4672]

@@zezanje1 The reason for that (why it's not necessary) is because "stop time" after releasing the strafe keys is 7ish frames in Val compared to CS where it's over 20 frames I believe.

[@zezanje1]

@theenoodlegod4672 no but like you can clearly see yourself slowly stopping comared to stopping instantly when you counterstrafe (although in valo even counterstrafing feels much smoother than in cs where it feels extremely sharp and responsive)

[@twanheijkoop6753]

​@@zezanje1yeah but the difference in Val is way less so it less important to master

[@Greenja]

i think everyone are forgetting something. the first streamer person who tested VALORANT game was shroud.

[@kingkaneki110]

In one sense yes counter staffing is risky as for any op users it's either u die instantly or u can one tap hit him. But counter staffing is a good way to reduce the movement letting you get a clear view of aiming directly without using less controls.

[@hugsforastarion]

Counter strafing doesnt do anything in Val. It comes from CS, where movement doesnt stop immediately when you let go of the keys. You cant just stop pressing the keys to stop moving in Valorant.

[@rkrb3112]

​@@hugsforastarion more people need to know this

[@melibands]

@@hugsforastarionin this clip doesn’t tend talk about counter strafing while taking bursts or just doing it in general?

[@melibands]

@@hugsforastarioncuz I just watched some of shrouds clips and he stops incredibly fast I just can’t believe he doesn’t counter strafe cuz while it isn’t as important as In Val it is still extremely noticeable at least for me

[@-swoosh6338]

​@@melibandsNah its not about counter strafing. Shroud is like suppressing unecessary movements and do everything perfectly idk how to explain but its like his movements are perfection. Hard to notice cuz he is fast with his insane aim

[@AshenWin]

He stands still : literally moves in between nearly every shot

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

Yeah he stands still to shoot... Which is something anyone with more than 2 hours on the game wouldve learned to do already, so I'm not sure what he's talking about lmao

[@almightyraven8220]

@@CorrosiveCitrus what they mean is that people might shoot by counter strafing, but those clips they show that they just let go of the a or d key and just shoot, without needed to counter strafe constantly between each shot

[@sixsixsik]

This is why woohoojin is an amazing coach. A lot of pros are good themselves but bad teachers.

[@johnsmith-fk7fw]

hes a really bad coach, its crazy that so many people watch his stuff lol. his "vod reviews" highlight such nonsense, idk if hes actually just trolling or he believes the stuff hes saying. there will be like a huge, easily fixable problem with someones gameplay and he'll focus on something stupid and keep just pointing that out

[@sixsixsik]

@@johnsmith-fk7fw He is not a coach like one that would coach a professional team at VCT, but more so a teacher that can help you climb ranked. While Tenz is a VCT player and says 'idk how to explain what I know how to do'.

[@acouthticputhy]

@@johnsmith-fk7fw And here folks you'll see the casual idiot troll that craves attention as well as liking his own comment.

[@k_otey]

​@@johnsmith-fk7fwcan you give an example of that happening?

[@SoulHydron]

​@johnsmith-fk7fw i mean hes gotten the radiant badge so i assume hes at least somewhat knowledgable no?

[@justinwong5869]

Tenz isn't talking about why counterstrafing is bad though, in fact the only time it was mentioned was 5:30, and he said it was the same

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

Exactly, kinda clickbaity

[@voidication]

This entire comment section is making me lose braincells. The title isn't even what Tenz is talking about, he's just talking about normal strafing. Counter strafing is the specific technique used in CS where you tap the opposite movement key to stop quicker. That is useless in Valorant because the momentum works differently due to the engine it runs on. I disagree with Tenz's argument against strafing, the actual topic of the video. The majority of players need to rely on a combination of aim and movement to win gunfights. Even in the shroud clips he showed, he's still moving between shots.

[@meat.]

thank you someone said it

[@TheSunIsMyDestroyer]

im a3 hardstuck, i feel i cant op in this game. in cs i could do rifle and awp, jn this game when i counter strafe perfectly, my op shot goes to the moon. i think you’re right, i should just ditch the counter strafe completely

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

Thank you for saying this I don't know if it's just the audience here, or if the valorant community is actually like this lmao

[@1100ms]

This comment answered my prayers. I was like “there’s no way Valorant kids think moving between shots is what counter strafing means right?”

[@Obi482]

Counter strafing actually works to reset recoil if you didn’t know. Especially tapping quickly

[@lightx7830]

i honestly starting doing that and i improved by a lot, almost immortal now. but do not just stop, its more like strafe but shoot when u are ready, at the start u are going to be slow at reacting but after a week or some of practice u gon get faster and so much more consistent.

[@ryanmcandrew3825]

It only works if you’re aim is top tier. He’s relying on his raw aim to aim but the difference is is that he can because he is that good.

[@Krihzak]

It depends on your muscle memory if your from cs it is kinda complicated

[@ryanmcandrew3825]

@@Krihzak right

[@blakops000007]

If you look at shroud's clips he doesn't aim much, he just mostly puts his crosshair on wherever he thinks the enemies will be and he microadjusts slightly.

[@giyuutomioka5760]

Yeah but it’s kinda true, you’ll aim faster at someone than someone who’s counter strafing.

[@mrcalipride]

thats why hes not top tier, dude rely on too much raw aim instead of fundamentals..Tenz is the worst guy to take advice when it comes to fundamentals.

[@Equist25]

od26 fought the entire community on this lmaooo

[@Krihzak]

Lmao

[@Moneymaker69802]

Woohoojin

[@zDrillsX]

⁠@@Moneymaker69802 what did woo say?

[@zemonteiro1486]

​@@zDrillsX both od26 and woohoojin have been saying for a long time how counter strafe is pretty much useless in Valorant and even got in arguments with pro players like Yay and such

[@Moneymaker69802]

@@zemonteiro1486 counter strafe is not useless but it too hard to learn for new players who didn’t come from csgo

[@danshakuimo]

Reminds me of those clips of people who try to shoot all the targets as fast as possible in real life. Super clean and calm execution.

[@User-xw6kd]

Am I crazy? He's still moving. Even yay does this. Minimal movement.

[@BradleyLevesque02]

its more that they dont full counter staff, they take like half steps or jiggle the corner, a lot of players take 1-2 steps between shots

[@misterme1134]

So basically if you are better then opponent do this. If not focus one movement first

[@chonkyboi._.]

So if your opponent can't react to you do what shroud does? If they can they're obviously cheating

[@MarcusChad]

@@chonkyboi._. Haha, Precisely

[@misterme1134]

@@chonkyboi._. exactly

[@ihaveakrazyheart]

So u guys are saying u need to be zenitsu learn one mvmt and master it only

[@misterme1134]

@@ihaveakrazyheart nah cuz zenitsu eventually becomes one of the strongest characters in the verse and definetly won't

[@JustinsRealmMC]

Counter strafing and deadzoning is only as efficient as how you are consistent with it. Standing still for a brief moment can get better in most scenarios especially on people that tense up a lot, or during overtime/clutch situations

[@francisjosephcutamora8530]

Mix all up counter strafe, pop swing and stop shooting to be less predictable by enemies

[@hugsforastarion]

Youre thinking of strafing, which is different from counter strafing

[@Arzly]

You can feel it it’s almost like when you drive a car for so long or become a professional driver you just can feel it. You become the game or you become the car

[@lmnop291]

"he just stops" shroud proceeds to move on every clip

[@LuminaryNarrations]

It essentially turns their screen into a kovaaks scenario static click at that point. So it makes it easier to hit shots when you are eliminating the movement element and just focusing on aim.

[@LuminaryNarrations]

He also does little tiny micro movements you might miss too those are some high skill shots to hit

[@Krihzak]

Yup

[@toxicaim420]

5:44 shroud literally strafing and shooting, tenz "he just stands still"

[@BradleyLevesque02]

he is only moving to peek or hide from them, on the jett he backs up to hid from the rest, then peeks the others and does very small half steps

[@toxicaim420]

@@BradleyLevesque02 yes "half steps"=strafing=moving

[@hugsforastarion]

Tenz is saying not to COUNTER-STRAFE, but Shroud is strafing, which is good. Counter-strafing means you are not still on the frame that you are shooting. You are literally arguing with one of the top twenty NA players in one of the most competitive games on the planet. Top twenty is really high, my dude. Tenz knows his mechanics.

[@ficedulamortis6434]

@@hugsforastariontenz is not top 20, where the fuck did you even get this idea 💀💀💀💀💀

[@alexeylebedev5350]

Sit, spray and pray. Pure skill, perfect movement

[@danterobledo322]

his brain is folding in on itself in this vid.

[@ReckqWow]

my plat enemies beaming me 0.002 sec after stopping

[@MrSmith01]

these days even in silver lobbies enemies beaming me 0.002 sec after stopping (probably cause of aim/trigger bots)

[@VotingHarmony]

"He stops dead still, I dunno" *Water Breathing 11th form: Dead Calm*

[@TuzPew]

Could youtube please ban the subscribe bell sound? Every video even has it so loud

[@rjun152]

Most importantly you need that valorant game sense if you want to win games...

[@KikiDYLM23]

I have a friend who always watched shroud and he tells me in immortal to Radiant lobby this movement is the key he said that shroud only crouch when he fights 2 or 1 enemy left he stand still if the enemy is 3 to 5 so if he gets a 1v1 he can escape coz if he crouch he cannot

[@Krihzak]

Yessir movement is key

[@iShrix]

so when I transitioned to Valo from cs for the first time, I practiced spray patterns really hard before playing comp games. When I implementated the stop and spray playstyle I realized I was performing better than how I would be playing after my ascendent friends coached me. (Telling me to strafe in between shots and burst fire).

[@mynamisjam]

But there are no spray patterns in valo it's random

[@iShrix]

@@mynamisjam first 5 bullets almost always same pattern bruh. I go for 1 taps now and just spay when I miss my first shot

[@zvzzbzzdy]

Someone correct me here isn't "counter strafing" when you move in one direction, then move the opposite to reset your aim. Isn't what Tenz doing just normal strafing.

[@trankwillity]

you are correct

[@sawsent]

I think this worls so well because youll be slow as hell anyways if you get tagged so might as well shoot instead of moving

[@yush4673]

In overwatch movement and you can do crazy shi on their with your movement but sometimes you just have to move to accommodate how you aim and I think shroud has a perfect balance of that where his aim and movement are in sync with eacthother rhythmically but because of the nature of the game your movement is not going to be that important since all they need is one shot, so you might as well rely on your aim instead of relying on a miss.

[@TheGr8Espi]

what blows my mind is the drive by 1 taps lmao people just be walking out and bang 1 tap to the dome before they even stop lol

[@vendetta9399]

on a long day tenz spits out these "theories" like nothing else, hes always making shit up, its getting mental at this point

[@Notaforumguy007]

Even when I know I should stop my brain lags when trying to click to shoot and release a key to stop at the same time certainly takes practice if you aren't used to it.

[@haiperr6861]

It’s all timing. And knowing when to shoot. And shoot when you aims on target.

[@J0jed]

I never used counter strafing in valorant. I just strafe normally. I did not see any difference between the two. Only that the first one make my fingers hurt

[@nathan24-_-2]

in every single clip, shroud was still moving i think i get what he means but its very misleading for him to say that he stands completely still

[@AimRobot]

Its like watching a drummer that cant hold a beat with both hands :D

[@asxce7651]

When the best movement in Valorant is to not move at all.

[@Triannosaurus]

He may not be counterstrafing but that movement definitely comes from counter strafing in CS

[@maxime_vhw]

Isnt pressing the opposite movement key exactly what counter strafing is? To come to a faster halt for max accuracy

[@nowaynowaynottoday]

Yes

[@krunopii]

the ultimate valorant movement: stand still

[@jessimj2053]

He actually counter strafe but then stand still to shoot which is a normal thing to do, in cs or valorant. But for valorant the velocity is so low that you shoot at the head way easier, instead of spraying like csgo (and also the shit spray we have in valorant).

[@hugsforastarion]

Thats not counter strafing. Thats strafing! :)

[@user-wo8uh3sr1f]

@@hugsforastarion counter strafing is when you stop your strafe with A or D to be immobile faster than releasing the key you were pressing but in valorant it is way less effective than in csgo. However the people used to it keep doing it on valorant which should be the case of shroud.

[@Biketherapy113]

he stands perfectly still because that's what you have to do in counter strike any bit of movement makes your shot so inaccurate

[@JustMamba]

You dont even have to counter strafe. I win gun fights all the time, just walking straight left or right, no back and forth. People aren't he greatest when it comes to tracking on csgo or valorant, which makes sense, but i use it to my advantage. It's why the popping swing works so well.

[@Kiohill]

1:27 uhh ive been doing it ever since i started playing the game tbh like if I wanna move right I press D and if wanna stop I press A so I can shoot but I honestly thought everybody does that yk never knew it was such a big deal lmao

[@Krihzak]

Its so hard to stop from doing it lmao the muscle memory does it automatically

[@eternaleffect2499]

so like you don't let go of the D key when fighting ? what if you have to like change directions ? constantly coz you got into those dragged out long range fights where the enemy is dancing left and right

[@Kiohill]

@@eternaleffect2499 if I wanna peak I press D and hold it press A at the same time I wanna shoot let go of A shoot again and so on or whatever

[@AppleGameification]

​@@Kiohill how do you still spell peek wrong? You know you can edit comments?

[@Kiohill]

@@AppleGameification u spell it like that ??

[@azharblurr]

I do this but when i do this i am the one who died. 😢

[@mikaelsag]

i dont understand i just started playing val what else would u do other than what shrouds doing hes tapping then strafing a step or two rhen bursting more?

[@davidzhang3762]

In cs you usually don’t ever standstill when you are in a 1v1 gunfight. Theres momentum in cs and when you let go of a movement key your speed does not go to 0 right away, so you have to press the opposite key to counter strafe.

[@Thewlieee]

Link to vod and time stamp?

[@eleganteval8330]

bro king of overthinker😂

[@Binx_AU]

Stop and shoot before your opponent stops and shoots.

[@kal2352]

He moves until he can click heads.

[@d1str0]

I always let go of movement key and have a wider swing and double burst the vandal or a phantom. it throw of so many players ofguard.

[@luisguimaraes294]

The other guy can't hit you if he's dead.

[@SugaFree2387]

The best way I can describe it is, everything he does is perfectly in sync. Like 1:1. His counter strafe, he’s aim, timing, etc.

[@ziao6849]

Shroud moves after shooting his first few bullets. But other pros they move, stop and then shoot

[@sevendoubleodex]

bro what is this comment lmfao

[@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ]

Should've named this video "shroud gg movement highlights" or something. There's not an extreme amount of explanation of movement, on TenZ part... in fact he says (several times), "I don't know how to explain it"... likely partly because map awareness is highly tied into it...

[@yashwanth5674]

shroud knows he has good aim so he stops when he sees an enemy

[@yodaru]

Shroud has very good crosshair placement combined with aiming whilst moving. So here he is full stopping instead of spraying an is almost always ready for the fight he's taking. It looks really good because he's able to do it calmly without freaking out when an enemy peaks. Don't know why people are complaining about this video what Tenz said is mostly correct. People even complaining randomly about cs vs val...completely different 😂

[@SL33py45H]

i dont think shroud straight up stands still i think he knows the perfect balance between strafing and standing

[@thekadju2450]

This doesnt make any sense? Or is my brain too small to understand it. Shroud is literally moving a bit, he taps A and D. Am I missing something? I mean, he stands still because it literally takes a second for him to kill someone so he doesnt have to move much.

[@hugsforastarion]

Counter strafing doesnt do anything in Valorant, is the point.

[@Danlyrical]

Counterstrike pro is amazing in counterstrike clone. Shocking

[@thatguy4974]

summary to save your time if you have god aim like him don't strafe knowing you enemy cant aim

[@manamana7712]

Basically what most pros do in the cs 1.6 era, instead of csgo, since valorant also has almost instant decel/accel & rng spray. Watch a couple highlights from the 1.6 era and you'll see how eerily similar the movement patterns are and how different csgo fights look in comparison.

[@tmac9938]

1.6 player here. The movement got fucked since csgo. Too glassy/floaty feeling. Cs 1.5 had better recoil than 1.6. It was a dream because you could actually plan&predict the spray pattern with lots of practice. And your movement in 1.5/1.6 was suuuper important for that crisp aim. I still have 1.6 movement in my head and it screws up my valorant. A handful of 1.6 pros helped create valorant, many ppl dont know... so their 1.6 thinking is baked into valorant. So your point is 100% correct. Watching shrouds clips here reminded me of old CPL clips. Back in the day i was cal-p. Almoooost made cal-i. Those were the days.

[@nicktan7733]

thats weird when i dont move and shoot i have this bug where i get 1 tapped 100% of the time instantly

[@Zyscheriah]

I think this only works for mechanical gods and not for us mere mortals.

[@1_xyn]

Not only shroud, Every cs pro player can do those. On cs your character is kinda slidy or slippery compared to valorant, that's why they gotta counter strafe unlike valorant where you can just stop immediately. So if cs pros come to valorant, They'll be gods.

[@halo_582]

None of these comments are making sense to me can someone please breakdown what shroud does differently than tens?

[@Abdullah______]

Dosent strafe between shots, he stands still when firing using counter-strafing A and D.

[@Aspect_ATS]

some players just can’t shake off the CS mechanics

[@andrewgarfieldbeingbruh670]

i just use both depending on different situations

[@DK-yx2ji]

why is Shroud not performing well in compe scene?

[@theforgotten1182]

Counter strafing has its benefits although sometimes it’s wat get u killed

[@tolgacam1907]

that only works if you have aim like tenz lmao, for your average competitive player counter strafing is the way to go

[@Dawz3G]

Title: counterstrafing is bad. Clips of Shroud: Counter strafing every peak. 😂

[@Abdullah______]

Is counter-strafing beneficial?

[@Dawz3G]

@@Abdullah______ counter strafing just means you peak a corner and shoot while you begin to strafe back to cover

[@dooderman8361]

He is still counter strafing and momentum cancelling, just doing so when appropriate and not doing big side to side movements over and over. You can see him tap to cancel his momentum to initially stop, then shoots, then either move back the other way (and taps again quickly to stop) or crouch sprays. And you can see when he quick peeks angles he is counter strafing, that’s the only appropriate time to counter strafe over momentum canceling. The only difference is that most people do BIG left and right movements, leaving a lot of time between shots and yes makes you harder to hit but makes it impossible for you to shoot as well. Doing tiny strafes like shroud doesn’t sacrifice your aim, but still makes you hard to hit, if anything more so because the enemy can barely tell you’re moving and you escape their crosshair, whereas with big strafes you just get tracked. The key to perfect movement/shrouds movement is minimizing the distance you strafe (which allows your aim to remain easy and intuitive, less moving parts) while still dodging the enemy’s crosshairs.

[@MrLouisanalane]

i basically have the samme technique as Shroud, except I get killed

[@1998Ashish]

Game recognises game

[@brotendo]

The key is to have your face 3 inches away from the monitor like Tenz and Aceu

[@carrycranberry7804]

this will only work if you have insane aim fiirst if you honestly dont youll die before you can kill an enemy

[@neodymus]

"he has crazy movements, he stop dead still" ah yes, valorant being a good game

[@enerict4335]

If there are any experienced folk here, may you guys please help me understand how to get rid of my counter strafe habit but still be able to rest the spray of my gun in game? I’ve been playing this game for about 800 hours in comp and I think one of the reasons why I haven’t got out of plat is because I counter strafe to much , may someone please help.

[@Krihzak]

Go to range put strafe on and eliminate 100 practice your movement by letting your key there while strafing along tthe bot

[@enerict4335]

So instead of practice using a or d to stop moving, simply let go of the key your currently moving? And from what I understand from the video, try tapping the movement key so that it resets the spray while also giving as much time to shoot back at the bots/enemies?

[@TheMetaSniper]

you arent stuck in plat because you counter strafe.. youre stuck in plat because you cant win raw aim duels and your game sense is bad.

[@CorrosiveCitrus]

This has nothing to do with counter strafing though? He's just talking about standing still... Which... Well yeah, you have to stand still to be accurate in tacfps games, that's really basic

[@GoodnotGreat88]

Shroud CAN full stop because he has insane aim. Hes faster and more accurate that 99.9% of people which means he doesnt need to dodge he just shoots you first. If i play on a smurf I play like shroud too because I am confident ill hit my shot first. When I play on my main, I jiggle, jump, spray, only take fights with util etc. Because a 50/50 is actually a 50/50 at your correct rank. Every 50/50 for shroud is really like 80/20 unless hes playing freaking pros that can hang with his aim.

[@CloudMV]

shroud moves exactly the same way in cs too

[@ambition7442]

valorant players discover how to play the game 3 years after release

[@hypotheist3737]

No movement is the best movement, ah yes.

[@otimelyofficial8146]

Tenz out here explaining basic concepts in the most convoluted way possible. Would hate to have him as a teacher cuz he never spits out a coherent thought

[@concernedcommenter8258]

Hes a pro not a coach for a reason, chill dude.

[@AzuMazu_]

"Counterstrafing" or pressing the opposite movement key, doesnt actually stop your movement faster, so quickly pressing the opposite direction doesn't "stop" you faster, it only makes you jiggle faster than stopping and going, but if you're just going to stop anyway, just let go

[@WestonTeli]

Dude really said shroud could be a pro in a game that's ripped from the game he was pro in for years lmao

[@BananaPenguin420]

The movement in valorant is so slow there's no point in even moving 💀

[@rahulghule3023]

They shoot like turret. It's yay no moment standing chilling and aiming 😎 in the middle of site

[@msposite]

If ten leaves Sen he needs to team up with shroud somehow

[@vaughanc111]

I think with valorant recoil control being easier than CS it makes sense that counter straffing isn’t as viable as it would be in CS.

[@sevendoubleodex]

cs has a consistent spray pattern, valorant has a random spray pattern, that alone is why people spray way more in cs simply because it’s consistent and allows you to actually get better at it.

[@James-eq8cq]

Valorant has a random spray pattern after 10 bullets. Why would you spray more than that? CSGO has a consistent pattern for an entire clip but the variance in initial recoil spread is bigger than Val. You can tell this from recoil patterns to scale

[@ryanreviews8566]

is shroud really not deadzoning/cs'ing?

[@RepliesMuted]

Pros really be the worst at giving advice. They aint teachers.