Terraria: Minion i-frames are... important

[@samchiu9918]

So having a finch and a frog is better than having two frogs? What a world.

[@duduvec5971]

If your frog is inside of the boss 100% of the time then this applies.

[@TankMarko]

Finches can often miss plus frogs often jump around normal enemies so maybe it's still better to have 2 frogs. But I would be willing to bet that a flinx + frog would be better than 2 frogs

[@Sinter_klaas]

A lot of this only applies under optimal conditions where your minion cannot miss. In every practical situation you should use two frogs.

[@JellySapinho]

I recommend you watching Shyguysmask he made some boss killing with diversity of minions and it works pretty well on pre-HM

[@RiteOfSolaris]

Terraria devs want summoners to be making a whole ecosystem for their dps bruh

[@Shyguymask]

This is the video we needed. I often get asked about Minion i-frames when I recommend mixing minions but I have trouble explaining or just don't feel like writing the bible in general, so this video is very useful. Also, something worth nothing is that since Flinx bounces off its target whenever it hits, having a second Flinx is perfectly fine despite i-frames because one Flinx doesn't reach its max hitrate anyway.

[@sergioberco2171]

The moment I saw this video I knew you were about to appear.

[@pokef2709]

@@sergioberco2171 man is a summoner main so i also expect him to appear on most summoner related video lmao

[@namvutranngoc6945]

HELLO SGM HELLO HELLO HELLO

[@sacnet5933]

Hello SGM. Would you mind making a guide (a written one will do) about optimal minion mixing some day?

[@justpoem5989]

the man

[@Galaksyz]

what annoys me about one of the recent changes was to the Frost Hydra sentry, i wanted to do a sentries-centric run due to the sentry changes in 1.4.4 and expected to do well with the Frost Hydra, but they used global frames which sucked. and then a later patch had a change where they use static frames instead which did nothing i'm just confused why they went with static frames, they were soooo close

[@damnthisisabadname]

Also they killed sentry spam which makes sentry only a pain.

[@Urkikk]

removing sentry spam make sense since doing it is a bit conflicting with Mage weapons. tbh I still wish for more improvement on sentry side, make it so we don’t have to place sentry over and over, and encourage using the same one for a long period.

[@terramarc]

@@Urkikk but you wouldn’t be able to do sentry spam without ooa, an event that only has Valhalla knight armor and like 2 weapons for good drops, because its drops are the only ones that increase max sentries instead of max minions. Allowing it would make this event much more worth it worth doing even on not sentry only summoner runs

[@Urkikk]

@@terramarc Sentry spam shouldn’t be the reason that make it worthwhile, the problem OOA has is the grind and difficulty, which they tried to tone it down. As for balance, it totally fine, it just that people don’t bother playing it because reasons above, but also not even bother trying OOA stuffs that much in general. Sentry balance should be it own things really. misinformation about OOA balance also been plaguing for half decade, which is make 1.4.1 OOA sentry rebalance while minor still very messed up, but at least got it justice back in recent version. still the weakest sentry right now is Flameburst, the other 3 still strong in it own right, Ballista is now actually the strongest, back then it was a misinformation, which it being nearly the weakest.

[@tapgames3465]

​@@UrkikkBalista being better pre-1.4.4 wasn't a misinformation. It was used because it has the most damage when the sentry attacks and you can keep doing it again and again for damage since Balista used to be able to shoot instantly after being put down until 1.4.4

[@r-18altaccount85]

We went over this with Leinfors in the months leading up to 1.4.4; local Spaz was tested and found to be so disproportionately powerful that the only way to "balance" it would be to nerf the base damage by an insane amount, only for it to still be OP when you add tag damage due to the crazy amount of hits per second. It was tricky business but I'm glad that the non-piercing laser is what we ultimately ended up with

[@FrazzleFlib]

yeah i think having retinazer optimal for single target and spazmatism optimal for crowd control is a good compromise

[@Lftarded]

I think decreasing i-frames would be better but still keeping it in static so other spazminis and retaminis can still attack a single enemy unit without completely being op with local i-frames

[@damnthisisabadname]

Sockrteez after using ichor flask, spinal tap with 4 hornets on skeletron in an obsidian armour showcase: "This sign can't stop me because I can't read"

[@elquercu7116]

You didn't have to do him like that 💀

[@deleted-22222]

Terrasteel said that hornets are non-piercing, so I-frames don’t apply to them.

[@Scepers]

@@deleted-22222 the context is that 4 hornets vs skele is a horrid load-out and why use ichor flask for a prehm showcase? The joke is that many mid skull summoners make the mistake of not understanding i frames but sock bypassed this mistake by just… doing whatever that was lol. Hence, sign doesn’t apply because he can’t read in the first place.

[@terrymuse77]

one more thing not mentioned is that static projectiles reset hit enemy's standard s to 0 no matter what it was before, meaning they can allow your standard weapons to deal more dps

[@Starfloofle]

...Interesting...

[@Porkey_Minch]

So for a non-summoner it's a good idea to have static summons just to boost your DPS? Sounds wack as hell, but also pretty cool. Definitely should be in the video.

[@Cute___E]

I don't follow, what?

[@baltharaaz9847]

​@Cute___E So this video goes over every form of s: global (briefly, where a single hit from a piercing weapon disables the ability for other piercing weapons to connect) Static (immunity to attacks "of the same type;" aka, the same minion for summons) Local (immunity to Iframes from the same _entity,_ so the same bullet/minion cannot rehit until the s are up, but another minion of the same type has no problem). We highlighted that static s are still on several minions, some for balancing purposes (mini-Spaz would be obscenely broken). Attacks with static s on impact reduce _other_ static counts to 0; effectively, this "resets" the timer for other attacks, allowing the same "type" to rehit earlier. Think if you had a bunch of Optic Staff Spazs, if you somehow had a piercing gun that fired as fast as they all attacked the target, the Spazs' would be able to ignore the static s they inflict for a _much_ higher DPS, as each bullet would let them rehit the target (even if they're still in contact with it from the same dash).

[@Porkey_Minch]

@@baltharaaz9847 So it works the other way as well by letting your static weapons boost summon DPS? That rocks

[@bialex8083]

It's still incredible to me that I get to learn things from a game I've played over 2000 hours of thanks to channels like these.

[@octopuswithahat]

As someone who mainly plays summoner, this video was incredibly helpful. I’ve known about minion I-frames, but not the specifics of how they work. Thanks for the explanation, it was so clear and helpful.

[@aldrin-1475]

life lesson: more same minion bad, get different minion, enemy don't turn god mode

[@DerpyNub]

Less minions more summon damage boost

[@somedude4087]

I mean...depends on the minion?

[@skylarduckky3389]

the Excat reason on why i fuckibg love the desert tiger staff fucking*

[@Formulaeagle161]

Thanks for the summary

[@salami7323]

moral of the story: melee

[@Spacehero5000]

One of the most useful mechanics that get easily overlooked. Thank you for this video

[@FLUX.2226]

I'm so happy about the information that the finch staff uses local i-frames. Go little bird, go :D

[@k241.-]

This is a bad mechanic. The problem with this is that the game never tells you about this. If you are a new player you may use x3 or x4 frogs thinking that you are doing x3 or x4 damage but instead its a x1, same thing with imp staff or spider staff. The game should be intuitive: More summonings, more damage, or AT LEAST it should explain to you how this mechanic works. Besides it's complicated because even if you know about this mechanic you don't know how many minioms you can have before they stop each other and searching that data in the internet every time you get a weapon can be very annoying. I see two posible solutions: 1. deleting the i-frames mechanics and balancing the dmg around that, 2. putting a limit about how many minioms of X weapon you can have. F.e. you can only summon 1 frog, 3 spiders, X imps, Y optic staff. That way you don't have to worry at all about i-frames since the game already "guides you" to not fall into that trap, besides it has some coolness in it, you are a summoner, you don't go there with an army of imps, you go with an army of different monsters with different functions.

[@leoofontebasso]

At least Minions have static system way different than a certain ranged old throwing grenade filled with bees that STILL WITH GLOBAL

[@fayeistired]

this video is so fucking right. this is one of my VERY few complaints with terraria, i don't want to stress out about which minions i'm using bc of local vs static i-frames, the only deciding factors should be minion AI & dps. a game mechanic that the game itself doesn't tell you about shouldn't have so much impact on the game, not knowing about this would make playing summoner horrible because your upgrades would be doing *nothing* at times, for seemingly no reason. relogic please i'm begging on my knees this shit has been bothering me for months now

[@warnertesla8297]

At least with more minions you don't have to worry so much about them missing

[@xxalanamazingxx]

Was hoping a video like this would come out. This is really helpful thanks!

[@invschematics]

1:15 how it feels to anger a large wasp colony

[@adjustedbrass7551]

How it feels to chew five gum

[@batscove]

Great video! This was a pretty intuitive breakdown of I-frames. I'm subbing.

[@purplehaze2358]

I wish I'd known sooner that the optic staff has some.. _problems_ with immunity frames. Probably would've went for a different summon.

[@MonomaDNW]

This is an incredibly helpful video that I will most definitely go back to during my future summoner playthroughs

[@Heeter]

You forgot to mention the Calamity mod in the description!

[@styxranger436]

God I hope Spazmamini gets local I-frames optic staff is one of my favorite summons 😭

[@childmanmanreal]

The thing is that it would be so incredibly broken that they would have to nerf the damage into the ground. So I would love it too, but it’s probably not gonna happen.

[@Rushiryu]

i keep coming back to this video because i'm forgetful. despite me being like that, the explanation is the best! it was hard to find info like this, let alone stuff like the spiders. THANK - YOU! no seriously. thank you thank you

[@SnowSloth]

ive had to watch this and the whip stacking video 3 times each but i think i understand it well enough now thank you for the videos

[@Habpy_]

Damn, this guy is definedly in linguistics class and i like it.

[@namvutranngoc6945]

and to think I was planning to make a docs about minion mixing. hahahah! you beat me to it, terrasteel. what a great video.

[@WomanSlayer69420]

ancient ice chunk in a nutshell.

[@acid9033]

Fr

[@TNTsquid.]

Was literally just thinking about if i had to switch from blade staff to maximise damage, then you brought it up.

[@ToiletWolf12]

And that’s why the blade staff the goat, good video

[@zokerovextis6768]

I played with the weapon out mod in 1.3.5, and I used the fist weapons that the mod adds. This exact problem prevented me from using minions at all because the fist attacks would phase through the enemies and caus me to take damage when I normally wouldn't. It sucked especially hard because the mod also adds a multi class lunar armour set for the fist subclass and summoner

[@andrewf2453]

You know what they say, a bird and a frog is worth 2 in the bush (or something like that) In all seriousness, great explanation of i-Frames, been looking for one for a while

[@Redacted_Ruler]

Summoners really still do need a buff, especially when it comes to combining accessory’s.

[@thomas8825]

I was wondering why my minions where doing no damage, thank you man !

[@Quasarii]

also pre-hardmode, farming for the vampire frog early game + flinch staff is the optimal way than having the imp staff. simply because imp always floats and attack incredibly slow

[@ZariousRF]

I remembered their was an old glitch that would take out immunity frames for everything and it was crazy

[@lorrainebrunner2490]

I agree with you on this 100%

[@Tronas1111]

wait a minute, This might explain why when doing a calamity playthrough on summoner, even though I got like a dozen minion upgrades throughout several bosses post moonlord, I barely got any dps up

[@Amia_the_Smol]

I mean that one is more due to Calamity's design philosophy rather than any issues with the summoner class.

[@jellybean5929]

So for my summoner playthrough I just need to know which minions use static I frames. So I can mix them with other minions?

[@GoonCommander]

Part of me thinks mixing minions being optimal is cool, since apparently mixing whips is also sort of optimal (I saw a video about how summon tag damage stacks) so if this is the direction summoner is to be taken I think it's fine as a Summoner main, however of course this is not the best way to go about it. Similar to Bad Torch luck being removed it's better to make something balanced around optimizing it rather than around avoiding losses.

[@crovy2507]

thank you, very informative

[@hamsterdam3365]

But why are many people using Flinx and frog staff against the wall of flesh for example? I mean the imp staff has more damage and also static i frames? This coule replace the flinx for example.

[@Shyguymask]

Imp has subpar DPS

[@magnetic9089]

I mixed minions anyways to try and maximize the debuffs they gave, didn’t actually know it was useful tho

[@duduvec5971]

This is the coolest thing i would never get by playing by myself. So basically summoner are pokemon masters that slowly assemble their army.

[@thewhitejawa]

holy shit i've been enlightened broom good. also rod of discord but i don't wanna farm for that when i do another summoner run in 1.4.5 i'm gonna try that, that's SO MUCH more damage do you have the full footage of that EoL fight?

[@Terraw]

I agree that broom good. Stack damage accessories and you don't need wings, and also use Xeno Staff (better than Deadly Sphere by a lot, tho Deadly Sphere also works). It's still a very hard fight, but I have a lot of practice. I'll link the Xeno Staff fight here: drive.google.com/file/d/1NEVOlzpKJp3jRm6hAN9OD2vinYBvy-AF/view?usp=sharing (35s kill) The original Deadly Sphere clip (note how there's a lot of inventory stuff... that's what I do when I record lol): drive.google.com/file/d/1RfnY7hhy4ZI4X7gcanVKcBU9LI-c5PJ7/view?usp=sharing Also, note that I do have a white cross "godmode" on: if you watch the Xeno Staff video you'll see how that works. It won't let things kill me, but they'll still hit me, so as long as you don't see me get hit, you know I still no-hit it. Both of these clips took 1 attempt

[@thewhitejawa]

@@Terraw alright, thanks! i'm gonna lose brain cells while trying to get lacewings over and over once the update drops, but it'll be worth it

[@thewhitejawa]

@@Terraw another thing, how do you consistently avoid the prismatic bolt + sun dance combo in phase 2 without the rod? do i just try to stay at a high altitude until she uses it?

[@raidcrhonos]

Thank you for this video

[@bloomscreen]

i love your videos! ❤

[@JoeMacdonalds-dg6ew]

1:35 London.

[@yakobsoulstorm5187]

The US has a higher amount of stab attacks per 100,000 people.

[@Releothunder]

Optic staff is still my favorite summon

[@Banana21219]

holy moly that is way mor ein depth than i was thinking lol i love terar :3

[@ItsMeTheBuffon]

i was listening to this while playing terraria and had a heart attack when the video finished because i thought i accidentally spawned empress of light

[@supershadowkittyhd7035]

So wait… does deadly sphere staff use static or local frames?

[@supershadowkittyhd7035]

Never mind my brain didn’t hear you mention it using local frames 😂

[@animeking1357]

Me who just started a Summoning playthrough: *Immense sweating*

[@Adam-de3ml]

Thanks

[@pittagiiya]

The spider staff... What.

[@pancake658]

Summoner are confusing as hell

[@gold_hev_suit]

you would think, in an update where they give some minions local immunity frames, THAT THEY WOULD GIVE THEM ALL LOCAL I-FRAMES. saying 🖕to some select summoner weapons is insane to me. the spider thing is so baffling to me, why would they implement a more complicated feature JUST to nerf people who use more than 3 spiders. why would they realize global was bad but not static? for balance reasons? just lower the damage or hit rate to make up for it! they did it for Deadly Sphere, why not everything else? i loved 1.4.4 and most of the changes with it, but summoner is still missing some common sense design. people already think stacking 4 of 1 minion will quadruple your damage. why not just make it true?

[@Teterboi]

i just beated my calamity infernum mod playthrough, i wished i learned my mistakes

[@SuperArystoteles]

Plottwist... Damage have cooldown like potions.

[@yurilopes420]

ohhhh so thats why my fucking twins summon was fucking garbage even with 7 slots, and why my imps also always felt underpowered the entire time in prehardmode

[@darthplague]

100% Shyguymask comments on this video

[@borico62]

This video doesn't mention whips.

[@egekahraman8985]

he did

[@ryanbosch5190]

In a way I kind of like the fact that they block each other, encouraging you to use multiple minions, which is a bit more interesting imo. I just dont like how ass most of the minions are at tracking fast moving bosses. If they could improve on that, I would prefer using multiple staves.

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

Spazmamini should have local i frames but it would need nerfing for that to happen, nonetheless, making Retinamini lasers non piercing is the right thing to do to make the staff decent

[@joshdogswag5530]

could you make a similar video talking about this information in relation to calamities summoner weapons?

[@leffeup8117]

I dont fully agree with your opinion on this. I think it could be very interesting if mixed minions is a superior strategy than spamming a single type. I think especially with the spider staff it seems pretty ok. It doesnt block damage of more minions outright, it gives diminishing returns. Which means spamming a stronger weapon is still good, but mixing in some weaker weapons is viable

[@eragon78]

Maybe, but its kinda annoying since then you have to grind way more minion summon items, and resummoning everything is a huge pain too. It also means you have to have multiple weapons JUST for summons in your inventory taking up inventory spaces. I mean the idea is kinda neat, but it also ends up being a bit tedious in practice. Lot more grinding, worse inventory management, and extra tedium every time you die or load in or something. On top of the fact that not every type of summon is good for every type of situation, which just adds to the complexity. Maybe if there was some design overhaul to make mixed summon set ups less tedious, and then also explain the idea of minion i-frames to the player, then this could maybe be an interesting idea.

[@orangemirage3615]

What's the staff of the mechworm syndrome?

[@-FutureTaken-]

I kind of like static i-frames because it encourages mixing minions, which nobody ever does Maybe have it only be static on feather worthy

[@itzretro5825]

I have a question. Does static i-frames block the same weapon on multiplayer? Lets say me and my friend are using last prim, do both of us hit or we block each other?

[@borico62]

Yes, you'll be blocking each other.

[@animeking1357]

@@borico62 That's honestly pretty garbage. If me and my friend want to bully bosses with the same weapons we should be allowed to.

[@gianherrero1344]

So does this mean the hornet staff is the best pre hard mode summon

[@be7256]

no just means you should summon mix

[@lyndsaypeters5981]

Like couldn't the dash attack have something that states. That it can't hit the same enemy multiple times in one attack then you could switch it to local

[@ccbhcvnnug]

FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINS THIS BS TO ME BRO I KEEP HEARING STATIC THIS LOCAL THAT AND HAD NOIDEA WHAT THEY WERE SAYIN

[@Limestoneowl]

Someone needs to tell red about this

[@torpote]

English isn't my native language, and I'm kind of new to the game. What's the lesson to keep in my mind, the conclusion ? To use differents minions, because they stack poorly ?

[@The-Third-Rail]

don't play as a summoner at all

[@Gatorboy5678]

@@The-Third-Rail What? 😂

[@Gatorboy5678]

Only the Flinx staff, Slime Staff, Vampire Frog Staff, Imp Staff, Spider Staff and Optic Staff should be mixed. Any other summons can be stacked effectively. Also this is for singular targets. If there’s multiple enemies it’s fine to stack. Seuls le personnel de Flinx, le personnel de Slime, le personnel de Vampire Frog, le personnel d'Imp, le bâton d'araignée et le bâton d'optique doivent être mélangés. Toute autre convocation peut être empilée efficacement. C'est aussi pour des cibles singulières. S'il y a plusieurs ennemis, c'est bien de s'empiler.

[@The-Third-Rail]

@@Gatorboy5678 Гыгыгыгы😂😂😂🤣🤣👍🤯

[@raykoayhara4221]

what texture pack chabges terraprism? it looks very good

[@potato4dawin1]

This is why Slime Staff is the weakest summon weapon in the game.

[@williammitchell6254]

Wait so stardust dragon isnt pure garbage for mages anymore?

[@aarepelaa1142]

And my dumbass running with 3 frogs, although it should be good for the eater right? Different segments and such.

[@dan_the_swag_man6937]

i get static for some balancing reasons but is there ANY reason to use global immunity?

[@guyman3854]

I've wondered why some summons just sucked

[@papaganush420]

i love the pure damage output of summoner class but this shits way too complicated + (whip stacking) so it drives me away from this class sometimes

[@Dario__]

"More minions is way more complicated than just straight up more damage" debunked This video explains it very well, now my friend needs to understand english :/

[@arevalo8117]

nice

[@justsoki7367]

you know i do love Terraria i really do, but thing like these are what breaks the games enjoyment for me sometimes, i expect if i summin 100 spiders i get 100x the damage that a single spider would do since there are 100 of them, but knowing now that this is COMPLETELY useless to summon more than 6 and even that is stupid makes me......sad

[@jsn2158]

Optic staff should be local immunity frames the mini spaz getting destroyed by relogic

[@youkinghasty5232]

summoner is hard

[@shnitzeedumple]

As a summoner main, I can confirm that I cried tears of joy while watching this.

[@lorrainebrunner2490]

I have lightning hands, but a phone that loses long distance races against snails.

[@adisipunct9562]

EoL daytime is easiest with summoner, lower defense of the class doesn't matters anymore because it oneshots you anyways and you focus more on dodging since you have minions

[@gray_exists9905]

Yrimir...?

[@M0mazosMissy]

The thing with Optic Staff is single handed the reason why i backed off from summoner and seeing they haven't really fixed the stupid staff is really underwhelming lol

[@damnthisisabadname]

I believe that the different spider types/ colours have different s, so you can use 3 spiders without any dps loss.

[@Terraw]

Yes thats what I said

[@damnthisisabadname]

​@@Terraw oh, I missed that

[@kaffii]

@@damnthisisabadname hi badname

[@rosheafan]

​@@damnthisisabadname for you to miss that, you would have to have been not listening or watching for like a solid minute, but you still somehow knew he was talking about spiders.

[@damnthisisabadname]

@@kaffii hi kaffi

[@Brendon_Xu_The_Big_B]

So 1 frog and 1 finch is better than 1000 frogs huh…

[@ClassicThermite]

good bideo

[@Mozzarellapumpkin]

Someone send this to redigit before 1.4.5

[@deka4038]

you this both sucks and cool simultaniously. i really like how this thing encourages us to mix summons, but on the other hand that obviously shouldn't work like that. i really want terraria to have some deep game mechanics like that for every class. that'll be so cool if they make some another mechanic to encourage us to mix minions.

[@darkkrafter]

This explains why som minions ar just usles and other godtear

[@Ram-xh3xk]

🍷🗿

[@bugpopper9446]

What if you summon different minions that are static? Will they deal dmg?

[@eemeli933]

So static applies to a type of minion (basically frogs block other frogs) but you are entirely free to mix 2 different static frame summons without issue.

[@shrekiscool4743]

Why are these videos that absolutely noone asked for so interesting

[@Markm8]

every minions should be local

[@nexalight599]

You know what's more important? You.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

You used the word “horseshit” wrong. Horseshit is used regarding something that is nonsense. It’s not a statement about quality. Dogshit is more applicable.