Terry Brands On Dupont, Dave Schultz, And The Foxcatcher Experience

Iowa wrestling Terry Brands shares his thoughts on John DuPont, Dave Schultz, and his experiences at Foxcatcher farms,
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[@richardlegrand4697]

Terry seems like a guy that has seen things

[@reubenjuarez6193]

I met him a few years back at a camp dude is scary in a good way

[@justinbutera8945]

@@reubenjuarez6193 Im worried hes goign to shoot a blast double and rop me on his head just based on the terrifying look in his eyes.

[@Dr_C_Smith]

@@justinbutera8945 He has carried so much drive and intensity for so long that when he dials it back, it’s still double most people at their most intense.

[@aarhasful]

1000 yard stare for sure

[@thecanman5055]

Thousand island stare

[@boxerbrando9094]

Rip Dave Shultz one of the greatest of all time, fly high 🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@charliebabbitt3314]

Gets to train under Dan Gable and Dave Schultz---How does it get any better than that....? Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable

[@poolboyinla]

Terry seems like a very honest guy.

[@strongbetsmma]

Why would you think otherwise?? Lol

[@bobklein1665]

@SkyHunter why u watching then

[@graceandtruthfellowship4347]

I can tell as his former wrestler that he absolutely is 100% you may not like what he says sometimes because he doesn’t sugar coat, but you always know it’s true. He’s one heck of a coach and person. Like a dad to me.

[@poolboyinla]

@@graceandtruthfellowship4347 Where did he coach you?

[@graceandtruthfellowship4347]

UTC right before he went to The OTC. I think we had a special connection with me and bro with us being twins and a lot like him and Tom. I was in his first recruiting class in Chatt.

[@robgallagher2410]

I like hearing Terry talk, gotta interesting personality

[@chuckedgerton8555]

I went to nationals in early 80s and saw Dave Schultz wrestle. He had a style And fluidity about him I had not seen before. He seemed like a very nice guy He learned how to say kind phrases in other languages. The Iranians were Great wrestlers and liked Dave Schultz. He was an ambassador. What a Tragedy and senseless. Kenny Monday was awesome as well.

[@arturrofi5933]

Good job on 2021 Team Championship.

[@wesd3742]

Don't want to like Terry, but he seems like a stand up dude. He changed my mind. For years I thought he was a dick, but to hear him talk freely, I have done a 180.

[@zachlovescats95]

Why?

[@aaronalviar9137]

I get so motivated hearing u talk

[@shaundonovan2193]

Terry's left ear is a thing of beauty!

[@andu1854]

Shaun Donovan the wrestling badge of honor

[@tropicalterrarium1742]

It probably hurts every single day too.

[@bobklein1665]

Wrestlers love cauliflower

[@costasspartan1894]

Fk that, I love the sport of greco-roman wrestling but I don't understand why it isn't compulsory to wear the wrestling helmet in training conditions and competition.

[@zubeidakaker1228]

You can see he is a wrestler by his ear

[@maxwehrle1693]

I used to work at Iowa City West high when his son Nelson would wrestle there. During the meets he would sit by himself in the stands, very scary looking and intense without saying anything. Seems nice here tho.

[@robgallagher2410]

@C II 100%

[@billybadbutt9008]

Worked for the athletic department at Iowa while Tom was an assistant and to say he was intense would be an understatement.

[@ryanmcdonald5351]

"...We could have handled this better... the post-Schultz era..." Terry's right.

[@mouhamadrahal4110]

Terry is awesome, unfortunate when people split up after a tragedy like that. You can tell everyone there cares about Dave and it would have been great to see them all stick together

[@dohcsmr1175]

Mr. Brands has the Midwest realism. No glitter. No B. S. Matter of fact. Man up or proceed to the debate squad. If anyone can Challenge the Sanderson machine at Penn State this man can.

[@form_7wrestlingman810]

Kurt Angle talks about this in his book

[@marky1846]

love Terry. love Tom. you'd say one of a kind.... but....

[@michaeliannacone8639]

Where can I get that sweatshirt that Terry is wearing? I need to buy one like yesterday!!!

[@onebobtwo]

Thought the same thing

[@charlesbromberick4247]

I never knew any of these things. They were all guys I looked up to - all way out of my class.

[@copperrex3359]

Where can I get that hoodie?

[@andu1854]

Copperrex probably the IoWa Hawkeye online store

[@mikeabel7577]

Go tryout for the University of Iowa wrestling team.

[@josephg.3255]

about a decade+ of top tier wrestling at least

[@tlz124]

I'm a non wrestler so go easy if this seems ignorant. When i hear the top guys talk about their experiences with wrestling, it seems like they're really odd people. Almost like they were abused or suffered some sort of mental trauma. They're on the fine line between sanity and insanity

[@josephconnery4148]

i wrestled from age 6-17 until I was too aggressive to put on a mat against other high school kids. most great wrestlers do not feel pain and just convert it into more aggressive energy. so yeah, you could say we are odd. wrestling is 90 % mental. you want to win, you need to win...you will win. all the hard training is just a tool to allow your body to get your hand raised after the match...so we are mental and abuse ourselves if others like psychotic coaches didnt do it to us already. work out as hard as possible without food for energy to make weight. thats a normal day during wrestling season which is yearround for those who want to be the best.

[@tlz124]

@@josephconnery4148 This is pretty intense to hear. I did football, basketball, and track in high school. There were episodes of pure insanity during lifting weights and conditioning. But wrestling seemed like a different thing altogether. The cutting weight is what i don't think i could've handled

[@dandalziel]

I am not a wrestler but am from Iowa and know many wrestlers. The great majority are really wonderful people; but are absolutely not normal. And I dont mean that in a bad way -they are mentally and physically tough beyond comprehension of most people.

[@Mitzpieler]

Wrestlers are definitely not odd by any means, they are just extremely dedicated and very hard working. There is a reason why NFL scouts prefer people who wrestled, just very hard workers and understand strength, pushing, pulling, etc unlike non-wrestlers.

[@Bond-gz6vg]

Hahahahaha well put. We are insane to a degree.

[@chi111y]

What is the foxcatcher experience?

[@wrestlingscience]

Wow

[@tapangasoul6928]

What was with the “black” part?

[@christopherroth7239]

Watch the foxcatxher documentary (not the movie) where they talk about it and DuPont's other erratic behaviors more. Dupont was becoming paranoid and at one point he didn't want anything black on the property. Cars, clothing, equipment, people. Nothing black.

[@thlee3]

what is he talking about at 3:17 ?? "they put that 4th official on him for brutality"

[@mikehunt9884]

so im not really understanding this, maybe my timeline is a bit messed up, after all, he was there and lived it and im just a random internet dude.. but it wasn't a red flag when the dude started to throw away equipment cause there was clocks on it? or when he started to rant after people who had black cars, or black clothes, or when he ended up kicking all the black athletes from his program? that wasn't a red flag? didn't they have a phone conference about that and wrestling USA or whatever the organism was called, wanted to distance themselves from dupont?

[@app369]

"It was blood money, everyone knew what they were getting in to". Don't go for the best pay if it means you have to deal with bad things. Better to leave a bad situation poor, than to risk that road. I left a good paying job because I hated the company and people, took a pay cut and it was such a great decision. Don't sell your soul folks, no matter how rich and grand the offer is.

[@302fishing7]

hey flowrestling

[@slidefirst694]

The point about DuPont kicking black things off the property is he was bat guano crazy and I wish someone had seen what might happen and left before it did.

[@ironfront9573]

All people who are billionaires living isolated lives for their whole lives are going to behave "abnormally" and the regular people who work for and interact with them will give them leeway for that out of both polite kindness and because they are the person paying salaries. It's very easy to point at others saying you would have done something different/spoke up but it's very unlikely that you would have. Just like people around Cosby, savile, Epstein and others did not, until the person in question was either dead already or already being prosecuted.

[@randolphlex714]

Tom is very interesting he has a unique way of talking he could be a actor

[@unclerico7271]

I believe this is Terry

[@ericgrundy3299]

@@unclerico7271 they do look alike ill give him that lol

[@unclerico7271]

@@ericgrundy3299 lil bit ;)

[@douglasmcleod7481]

any one can wrestle but it takes a certain breed to get to the highest levels

[@apollo105]

Jesus. Idk how people in the wrestling world seemingly end up on the wrong side of history. It was bad enough that people knew he was unhinged and had violent tendencies, but even worse to hear that people (terry included) were still taking his money to compete. Its really pathetic that they were selling their souls for medals

[@amylee6038]

Better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. What does this ludicrous statement "selling their souls for medals" mean? Explain that in detail so we can see how stupid it is. Be specific about exactly how their souls were sold. My husband wrestled with both Terry and Tom. His room mate lost to Dave Schultz at Midlands. I know a lot more about this world than you do, and to claim the millions of wrestlers end up on the "wrong side of history", lol. Hard to find a stupider generalization based upon what little information you have been exposed to. But by all means, list out the percentage of All-Americans, Olympians, State finalists or whatever category you want and show us the data on how many ended up on the "wrong side of history".

[@apollo105]

@amylee6038 if thats what you need to tell yourself to sleep at night so be it 🤷🏿‍♂️. You know more congratulations, i am so happy you are proud of your friend over here who accepted money covered in dave Schultz blood just because he was so desperate to win a medal at the Olympics. Congrats to your friends who chose idolatry over being a decent human being

[@amylee6038]

@@apollo105 Thank you very much for demonstrating you have nothing but extreme fantastical hyperbole instead of anything factual. What does "accepted money covered in Dave Schultz blood" mean? Explain that in concrete terms instead of your vague fantasies. Also explain how accepting money gave him a medal at the Olympics. I know exactly what it takes you make the Olympic team, my husband made the Olympic Trials. Idolatry, lol. My husband has a long list of accomplishments and a whole tribute section to him at his High School. These are his fellow travelers, not idols. I can tell who never made varsity, and has nothing but envy that reduces him to childish ad hominems. Thank you again. :)

[@apollo105]

​@@amylee6038okay tell me where i missed you. John Dupont Murders Dave Schultz. Tom and Terry along with others continue to accept money from foxcatcher and even went to trials under foxcatcher. It is documented that people were very angry about this but Tom and Terry didnt care. This is your friend. Idk why you bought up tropies and medals (idolatry) as if that means anything. Im not talking about wins and losses im talking about right and wrong. Taking money from foxcatcher was wrong but hey he got a medal out of it right

[@mookie449]

Blood money...yup. Brands will always have to live with that.

[@unclerico7271]

Yeah that's a tough one brother

[@mouhamadrahal4110]

Don’t think you know the definition of blood money 😂

[@de5913]

That’s not what blood money means Dave

[@TheNotbadphonedaddy]

"or why would they stay there?" Because amateur wrestling at the time had no financial backing. these young men with Olympic and World aspirations would do just about anything to receive the support that they needed. That included putting themselves in a vicarious situation with a known lunatic

[@VanishedPNW]

"He's kicking black people off the farm and Dave was like 'Hey no problem band together just chill.' "

[@motoz30]

rampant, hyper-pc culture hadn't taken hold in the mid-90's, so telling a group of people to get off your property was much less of an issue than it is today.

[@BadWolfMMANashville]

motoz30 huh? Kicking black things off the farm and lumping a race of PEOPLE to inanimate objects goes back to not a big deal Bc no rampant PC? If it wasn’t a big deal I don’t think he would have told the story

[@mouhamadrahal4110]

Motoz30 I’m not a fan of PC culture either, but kicking a group of people of the team and your property because of their color is a horrible thing and it’s crazy for you to justify it

[@motoz30]

@@BadWolfMMANashville where do you guys live? me, and some friends, want to come hang out (possibly for an extended period of time.) kick us off your property, and i'll call you a racist bigot. his land, his facilities, his food, his money......his rules. you do know that blacks weren't the only people being kicked off the farm, right...?

[@thebeast9606]

motoz30 Kicking people off your property due to their race has nothing to do with “it wasn’t PC back then”-it’s blatant racism no matter what the time period. Not sure how you can try to justify those actions when it was just plain and simply wrong...

[@brocksmith675]

First!!

[@natestakely1478]

Bottom line is NO ONE raised funds back then except, you guessed it, football boosters. And the governing bodies, Olympic wrestling team USA.......not USA wrestling do not confuse the 2, stayed broke. In fact AAU was bigger then USA back then. Ohio wrestler. THIS left the door open for a weirdo wannabe. WHY? It had the stigma which every wrestler knows what I'm talking about. Cant say not enough action as MLB and golf are BO Ring.

[@dutchmiami]

does wrestling damage your brain? like boxing does? .... or where these guys damaged goods before they started wrestling....

[@miawithlove6026]

dutchmiami a bit, but no as much as what you do clearly. )

[@jjmarcos]

What's wrong with him?

[@patrickpepper2490]

When you give up so much to be great at something you tend to let other parts of your life slide so it is normal for wrestlers to not see through some things because they have sheltered themselves so much that they missed life. They just don’t get some areas, like Gable going on tv with Trump. That was STUPID. But I think a lot of wrestlers tend to be right wing anyways because they grew up in a situation where they had fathers that liked to be the tough guy and liked to hunt and all that but really when you get down to it those types of families are a bit insane and when you add a love of guns that won’t help anything.

[@usawrestling2842]

Good man

[@utewavkdo8515]

I used to work at Iowa City West high when his son Nelson would wrestle there. During the meets he would sit by himself in the stands, very scary looking and intense without saying anything. Seems nice here tho.