Tesla Autopilot vs Full Self Driving in 2022 | What's the Difference? | Is FSD Worth $12,000?!

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[@MichaelKingTravels]

Some of the features you discussed are only available in US public builds, like green light chime, and in some markets, autopilot is still being sold separately from FSD.

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[@kmpquinn]

Software should be owned and transferable to your next Tesla. That would significantly increase the take rate.

[@JamesBond-qv2ht]

As a Tesla owner I completely agree with you, but as. TSLA shareholder I am glad it isn’t transferable to a new vehicle.

[@neburNight26]

It’s crazy that software is locked to a platform (Car). Not a person. Imagine if apple did this with iPhones, pay for every app each time you buy a new phone. I have full auto was 7k when I got it, will not pay 12k when/if I get another Tesla in future. 12k is over 10% of most teslas price.

[@RoaringRory80]

Not only do you not own it but if you sell the vehicle back to tesla they will resell the vehicle without FSD and the new buyer has to pay again.

[@thomasnandola794]

@@JamesBond-qv2ht As a shareholder there’s 2 perspectives. First being, if FSD was transferrable the likelihood I stay in the Tesla ecosystem and purchase a Tesla as my next car is much higher. Second being, because it’s not transferable today if I do buy a new tesla, they’ll get an additional 12K from me if I decide to go with FSD. Downside to second perspective being I may not feel as incentivized to buy another Tesla as fast or even again if my FSD is non transferable.

[@JamesBond-qv2ht]

@@thomasnandola794 the flaw in your reasoning is that after you own a Tesla, no other car will do. You’re hooked for life : )

[@AlexReusch]

I think Tesla should make FSD a personal purchase and not bind it to the car itself. Meaning that you could take FSD with you for the next Tesla car you buy. In that way, it would be a long term invest and you would not lose it when changing cars (as long as you stay with Tesla). Right now, you are investing in a beta software that you might never be able to use in your current Tesla car. This is stupid.

[@TechFreak51]

Good Point !!

[@mcbrite]

Right now, it isn't even "might never be able"... It's straight up "WILL never be able". And that's buying the car TODAY and you keeping it at least 5 years... Tesla can't even claim it's "full self drive"-equipped right now. There is no way for them to know that. That doesn't stop them from claiming it, but it's a straight up lie... And if you don't believe me watch Elons speeches as the financial quarter rolls around, where he'll tell you again they'll self drive a year from now and FSD prices will go up (as he has what feels like a dozen times by now). Tesla may make decent cars, but FSD as it's currently sold is a straight up scam.

[@truthseeker1934]

That will reduce their profit, unless it's changed into subscription.

[@PhilTParker]

I always like to buy used. The moment you drive the car off the lot, it decreases in value. If you simply make sure your purchase is of a car with low mileage and still under warranty WITH FSD already purchased, then Bob’s Your Uncle, as the British say. With that said, I do like the idea of having the software attached to one person, who can then jump from car to car.

[@RaistlinMajereFistandantilus]

Of course its stupid, Elon Musk is a con artist, its what he does.

[@charliedoyle7824]

The only reason to pay $12k for FSD now is if you want to donate to the FSD team. It's not an investment any more than buying a Roadster was in 2008. There won't be an FSD robotaxi in a busy city this decade.

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[@marcusjclifford]

IMPORTANT NOTE: Even ignoring the beta FSD, in countries outside of the USA FSD can be severely limited in its capabilities. Understandably this video focuses on the US market, but if you are in another country your findings will be very different. For example in the UK Tesla offer "Enhanced Autopilot" as an option as the "FSD" in the UK offers very little more.

[@VampireOnline]

They need to bring this back to the US. I want everything included with that.

[@VoxelLoop]

To add to this... Limited features in the UK and EU: - Navigate on Autopilot (Only available on 'motorways' in the UK) - Automatic lane changes (Only available on 'motorways', can't do lane changes on dual carridgeways) - Smart Summon (Can only travel 20 meters total and you must be within Bluetooth range, so basically at the door) - Autosteer (Can only perform up to 0.3g of lateral acceleration, meaning it slams on heavily for even rather mild turns) - Automatic lane changes again (Must indicate 3 times and move within x seconds, otherwise time out and move back to the original lane) - Attention checker, 'wheel nag' (Every 10 seconds, not up to 45 (I think?) in the US) Probably a bunch I'm missing, but those are the main ones that come to mind. :) At the end of the day... The FSD package in Europe offers 'some' automatic lane changes, 'occasional' following route (It struggles a lot on many EU interchanges it seems), and that's about it really.

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[@michaelfink64]

Important for people outside USA to realise that FSD beta is not yet available outside the USA. It may be coming to Canada in a few weeks but there is no timeline yet for the rest of the world.

[@Codewow]

Call your representatives to allow it! The more data we feed the brain the faster it will get past teenage driving!

[@stuartburns8657]

UK / EUROPE roads outside of motorways likely too complicated. America / Canada relatively new, so some of your suburban roads are as wide as our duel carriage ways lol

[@sosojni]

@@stuartburns8657 I have seen videos of people using FSD in US and i can guarantee you that current FSD does excellent job in narrow streets, and that 90% of streets i drive around (in below average EU country) myself are better marked than average US street is, and in addition, rules are much more static. No: "you can turn right on red here, but 50 miles further, you can not." etc. Once FSD starts getting fed EU data, i'm sure it will get as good as in US much faster than it was in US.

[@michaelholliday100]

Michael, I have FSD Beta in the US. It drives on small narrow rural unmarked roads everyday and handles Roundabouts and 4 Way Stops very well. I have traveled all over Europe and do not believe that there are any roads that are more complicated in Europe versus the US. At one time perhaps, but not today. In the State that I live in they are converting almost all 4 Way Stops to Roundabouts.

[@stuartburns8657]

@@sosojni good to hear, I honestly expected the opposite

[@joesmith1946]

I recently purchased a Tesla, and included was 3 months of full self driving. So I tried it. And, it works. Occasionally, I have taken over because it can't read a "Detour" sign or it takes too long to change lanes, but overall, it really works. The best thing about it is that it displays on the screen what it is thinking and what it is about to do. You can tell it's going to stop at the stop sign, or that it sees the red light, or that it sees the pedestrian, or that it's going to turn left, you can tell that it sees the oncoming traffic, or whatever else it is thinking. It's pretty remarkable.

[@joe55514]

Over all this years I became such a routined Autobahn driver here in Germany. My stress levels are at 0 with perfectly fine alertness and ready for unique events at every given moment. I’m very excited to oversee the tesla I get soon driving it self. But I’m sure stress levels will be higher than driving myself. Up until this car can safely make every decision on Its own and I can fall asleep with 0 worries, it’s done. And I’m looking forward to witness the journey.

[@PhilTParker]

I just bought a used 2020 Model S Long Range. I made sure that the car already had FSD. It turned out that upon delivery, the car also has the beta active, which is awesome. Loving the experience…but you have to treat FSD a little like it’s having a ten year old child driving the car. It works really well a lot. But you need to anticipate situations where the system becomes indecisive, and just take over at times.

[@DirtyTesla]

Nice. Enjoy!

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[@Sigwaltherglock17]

Phil, may I ask how much the vehicle costed you, and also the mileage

[@PhilTParker]

@@Sigwaltherglock17 I paid $81,500 for it, and it had 12,500 miles on it. I’m extremely happy with the car! :)

[@frank118]

Really wish they would bring back the option to purchase Enhanced autopilot. Auto lane change would be a nice separate purchase.

[@laloajuria4678]

thats all ppl want, and they know they can charge 12K for that....

[@TechWithKishan269]

I am surprised they wont offer buyers that option, again a great money maker for them. I have FSD beta, and it is not anything the public can use for maybe another 3-5 years in my opinion.

[@matthojsik]

I'm REALLY hoping that a lot of the FSD features were put out there to keep people satisfied until real FSD is ready and that they sunset all of the current features into AP when real FSD is ready.

[@ksaboda]

I agree. I would use the enhanced autopilot features quite a bit.

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[@lesterhousel]

I paid $3,000 for FSD feature, now have FSD beta on 2018 model 3. Great for our 2,000 mile road trips!

[@johnweiner]

Agree with your reasoning...it must be regarded as an investment in a future performance...which always comes with risk.

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[@richardgoldsmith7278]

There is still value in buying now but not joining beta and wait until the beta is replaced with general release. It was £4000 when I bought it expecting to not get much for many years. The Nav on AP was so useful on my Grand Tour of Europe in 2019, I reckoned I had my value for money already. I planned to hope to benefit from true FSD as I reached the age when I would otherwise have to think about hanging up my car keys, so extending my personal mobility by quite a few years. This will be my last vehicle if it doesn’t get killed in an accident, so FSD was highly desirable as a gamble purchase when I could afford that, but not the long range AWD. I knew I would not ever manage the increased price if I waited until it was a definite done deal, so buying when I did made sense - it was then or never for me. If I had to make that decision now, it would be harder, but I might still opt in now to beat future price rises, knowing that retirement income wouldn’t justify monthly rental.

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[@jaykay1852]

As a FSD beta user, I agree with most of your observations/assessments in the video. And I agree that it takes more effort to use it, especially in moderate to heavy traffic. It must (unintentially) piss off other drivers and may be the source for some road rage incidents and helps createTesla haters out there. Despite that, I still like to engage FSD beta in light traffic. I too am intrigued with new tech and used to be a beta s/w tester at my job. So, I know how to provide constructive feedback - and not just complain. It’s not helpful to the developers.You seem to understand that concept also. Keep it up. I enjoy watching your FSD beta drives. 👍

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[@AngelArm1110]

100% The stop light feature should be standard in all their cars. It's honestly so helpful

[@AgistoOico]

Thank you for creating content on this topic. There is a major lack of understanding regarding Autopilot and FSD with associated features. So much FUD and assumption is based on the lack of knowledge people have regarding the difference of these features.

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[@ponsholm]

FSD = Don’t need it. Enhanced auto pilot with auto lane change = Take my money!

[@WdnUlik2no]

This!!! I'll be all over EAP.

[@matthewbartke4424]

That's what it seems like as I'm looking into it. FSD isn't FSD enough yet.

[@americanrider]

Since Tesla owners are risking vehicles they have paid for, instead of paying for FSD, you'd think qualified drivers would be paid by Tesla to participate in this new and untested technology.

[@daviddennis5789]

Your right. Test pilots don't fly for free, even worse test pilots don't pay to fly test aircraft. When it's not a "beta" thing and it's approved by the government and my insurance company, then I'd considering paying for it. Right now, my MY is just fine with basic autopilot.

[@robkeshav800]

Great video Chris with provocative questions. The answer as usual is - IT DEPENDS. I have a new MS - LR and opted not to get FSD not because of the $10K price but for some other reasons. 1. If you drive on FSD (beta) you don't get to enjoy the 0-60 acceleration in

[@Raneyguything64]

Maybe more along the lines of Enhanced Autopilot?

[@robkeshav800]

@@Raneyguything64 Yes!

[@davidkendall2272]

I have had FSD in all our Tesla's, starting with AP1 in our 2015 MS85D, and FSD in my wife's 2018 M3, and my ordered MS LR, hopefully taking delivery in March. I love using it on trips.

[@misterl4052]

😂

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[@Drat333_]

The more I hear about it, the more confidently I believe Tesla is pricing FSD so high so as to only get people that really want to help contribute data towards improving the software, instead of your regular average joe that wants to "self-drive" irresponsibly and end up getting into crashes and tarnishing FSD. Kinda like what Google Glass did in the past. Obviously you'll still get people in with more money than sense, but that's inevitable.

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[@nobrien1]

We paid for FSD on my 2018 3 and my wife's 2020 Y. At this point, I think I would have been better off buying more Tesla stock with the money!

[@The_DuMont_Network]

All together now... BINGO!!!

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[@scmountaindad2190]

Great tip, setting lane changes to confirm. Thanks.

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[@macdds]

FSD option is not just 'full self driving capability', other features like Summon, Parking, Navigate on Autopilot, Traffic Light recognition etc are vastly underestimated in my opinion. I use Summon feature all the time to bring the car out of my relatively tight garage, Traffic Light recognition is also my favorite feature as well. As long as you own the car over 5 yrs, considering all the other readily usable features, 12k investment seems no brainer to me. Meanwhile, if you choose subscription plan for FSD, do not expect to use FSD beta every time you re-subscribe it, you need to go through the Safety Check process over again.

[@prairie3668]

Good to know Summon works to pull car out of tight 1 car garage. Will be my main use, anticipated whenever my X gets here..waiting….waiting…..not patiently.

[@radoslawlanga1809]

IN EU, you might go for enhanced autopilot, no FSD but most of the bells and whistles is there, and is muchcheaper.

[@laloajuria4678]

yes this is an american video.

[@TheBriansle]

I’m thinking about getting a used model 3 w fsd installed. Seems like FSD will go up a lot in terms of price. Getting a used Tesla w one preinstalled could be a huge bargain that won’t exist in the future

[@erikbai]

I am thinking about the same, have you gotten yours yet? Do you like it?

[@aggiechase37]

I'm in the beta and I got it for $5k and I don't think it's worth it at that price. If it was actual level 5 then $5 maybe. But for $12k absolutely not.

[@johnpublicprofile6261]

Unfortunately even if FSD is technically functional in say two years... it could take years before legislation to allow it to be used without constant driver supervision. And after that will insurance companies be willing to cover it? Though Tesla does have a secret weapon there in having its own insurance company in many states by then.

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[@BitJam]

Some AP features are only available on cars with FSD. In particular "Stop light warning", "Stop sign warning", and "Blind spot monitoring". I just went out to my 2021 Model Y to make sure these weren't recently added to my AP-only car. I became aware of AP features that are only available to those who bought FSD a few months after I got my car. It had this great feature of chiming when I was sitting at a red light that turned green. Then after a software update this feature went away. I asked over at the Tesla Motors Club and was told this AP feature was only for cars with FSD. Tesla had mistakenly made it available on some AP-only cars but then fixed this mistake in an update.

[@DirtyTesla]

All 3 listed are on your car. They are not options in the menus. When you are driving next to someone, turn on your turn signal. You will see it turn red on the display.

[@BitJam]

@@DirtyTesla Thanks Chris! I'll give it a try. I live in rural New Mexico in a town of 10,000 people and 3 Teslas. The Tesla mapping here is pretty terrible in some places.

[@smenor]

As someone with the β it wasn’t worth it when I paid $7k for it and it’s *REALLY* not worth $12k and still wouldn’t be even if they magically got to Level 3 tomorrow ( and they’re *years* from that )

[@xsleep1]

Good summary. If/when genuine FSD (not Beta) happens it will probably, as Elon claims, raise the resale value of my car. Especially since when I bought it in 2020 it only cost $7k.

[@peteh5602]

At around 10 minutes in, DT gets into highway lane changes on FSD autopilot. He states that he keeps it set to require authorization for lane changes. So do I, but the settings can be adjusted so that it does not change lanes for a faster lane until you're speed decreases to a certain point, relative to your set speed (say, 5 or 10 mph below the set speed).

[@Djgarner5005]

Thanks for making this video. It was very confusing when I was in the buying process. It was surprising how hard it was to find information about the difference between the two.

[@allenbaylus3378]

it is the confusing nature of the naming...

[@The_DuMont_Network]

@@allenbaylus3378 And the confusion by the purveyors of FUDI. Even describing TACC as "Autopilot" is a misnomer.

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[@techyjames1945]

One note here the Red light/ Stop-sign warning only works if you have the FSD package. I had a rental for a week and it didn’t have FSD and there was no Red light warning option.

[@GregHassler]

I have regular AP and I get a warning if the car thinks I'm going to drive through a stop sign or red light. It might not work 100% but most of the time. You have to be almost imminently driving through.

[@DirtyTesla]

It's not an option. It's just always enabled. You should ever see it unless you're accidentally about to run a red light

[@johnens]

I think this feature requires HW3. I have HW2.5 and I don't have it.

[@DirtyTesla]

@@johnens Red light warning came out before HW3 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ambacn6pjZ1ld7M

[@vaibhav3852]

For those who are complaining that tesla fsd doesnt get transferred. Imagine if it was a personal thing and only one profile could use it. And tesla used internal cam to verify using face id.

[@paulp575]

@DirtyTesla - Thanks for an explanation of the various features. I've been watching your videos for quite a while now and see it is progressing, but definitely not ready for level 5. I am confused of when to use the various features. Some are self-explanatory (auto summon, self park), but some are just confusing to me.

[@techgeektesla]

GREAT video!! So well summarized and excellent points all around!! 👏👏

[@dathyr1]

Well it is May 2023 and FSD now costs 15,000 dollars for a full buy. They do have Subscriptions for 200 dollars a month. I think getting Auto Pilot features is around 6000 dollars (which none of them I need). Still too expensive for me considering the actual costs of the Tesla vehicles. I would never get FSD or Auto Pilot features for where I drive, just around town and I know where I am going. You still have to put your hand on the steering wheel too much to let Tesla vehicle you are alert at all times. Other EV's have cameras for seeing if you are alert which I think are better.

[@chickenp7038]

might be good to mention fsd beta ist only available in the US currently.

[@DavidBajayo]

I bought it @7K. Back then wasn’t worth it either, but now, having FSD beta hell yes.

[@larsrosing5033]

I have standard autopilot only. I hate it's super sensitivity to bikes, it is absolutely crazy about bikes/motorcycles! And overtaking on the highway, it is way to hessitant, it will not accelerate until completely in the outer lane, so you have to press the accelerator to not disturb rear traffic! And there is no 'resume previous set speed' in CC if you do a turn or do a stopsign, quite annoying when driving in city areas! All other cars has 'resume' when disconnecting from CC briefly!

[@kanedafx1]

I have a CT reservation FSD locked at 7k, 12k? yes if was under my name, no per car.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Excellent comparison, thank you. I love the latest tech so buy a new car every 3-4 years. Since FSD is tied to the vehicle, it makes no sense to me, especially since there are so many disengagements. However, I probably will subscribe for a long road trip in 1000 mile range. I wish there was a much lower cost option that offered lane changing for AP. I feel this price increase will reduce “attach rate.”

[@Singuy888]

Thats the thing about a Tesla, as long as the hardware is capable, your car makes nearly no difference 3 years from now vs the new car. My car was an early release from 2018, and now has pretty much every feature except an outside speaker, power lift gate, and more range. I still have the same FSD features, the sentry mode, light show, games, Netflix, etc etc so I don't really care to upgrade. I see myself keeping this car until the hardware is no longer capable of keeping up with more advance features coming in the future.

[@allenbaylus3378]

@@Singuy888 except for the wear on expensive parts like the $20,000 battery replacement. Your laptop and phones get updates every so often yet you still do not have a 5 year old cellphone which you count on for daily use. And the old laptop runs way too slow. I would not consider a 2018 Tesla with 50,000 miles on it more valuable then a 2022, but if you look at the prices on Tesla's own site they certainly do. Current lowest local offering - 2018 M3 LR 15,530 miles - $53,400. 2022 M3 LR $52,490. Tesla certainly is doing the price fixing for their used vehicles. They do not offer that much for their own used units as trade ins.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@Singuy888 I had a 2017 mS and by late 2020 it was missing too much new hardware including MCU2, Sentry mode, boombox, and a few other hardware improvements. Therefore, early January 2021 I ordered a new model S, but delivery took 11 months.

[@Singuy888]

@@johnpoldo8817 yeah the new model s will last you a decade with that new mcu being 4x faster than the atom. The 2017 Nvidia Tegra processor was awful and makes upgrading a must.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@Singuy888 Agree it could last a decade, but as soon as model S is announced with 4680 battery, I'm placing an order for a new one.

[@CYBRLFT]

Fantastic breakdown man and I largely agree. Subbing was my only practical way around the $10,000 barrier to entry at the time. Got the $7,000 locked in on my Cybr order. We’ll see how all that plays out lol.

[@CYBRLFT]

@@AlmostOffline hence the “we’ll see how all that plays out”.

[@phyzygy]

We appreciate the work you put into this important explainer. Agree with every point you make. We have 2018 3DLR FSD. AP was not free then, so $3K + $5K = $8K, but was aspirational and idealistic. FSD beta is gradually becoming worth that price, but $12K? Hmmm…

[@Zaerki]

I mean, if you believe they will solve FSD, 12k will look like a ridiculous bargain. You could make much more than that in a single year of robotaxi and use.

[@soltakoshegyi2361]

@@Zaerki but will you keep the car until true FSD?

[@Zaerki]

@@soltakoshegyi2361 I don't own one, but if I did buy a Tesla, I would keep it until it didn't make sense to keep it any longer. Probably 20+ years. Even if FSD doesn't become fully autonomous, it will certainly get to the point where it makes your drives more comfortable, so there's immense value even if Tesla fails to reach level 5.

[@soltakoshegyi2361]

@@Zaerki 20+ years? That'll be several battery swaps. But yeah I'd definitely keep a Tesla for a long time. But many people don't.

[@Zaerki]

@@soltakoshegyi2361 Yeah, but many people aren't intelligent in my opinion. For me, a car's value boils down to cost per mile. That's the purpose of a vehicle - high speed travel at low cost. Nothing can match a Tesla's performance per mile. Replacing the battery is still more economical than buying a new Tesla over the long run.

[@MovingUp7]

Keep in mind the net present value of your cash. This is the concept that having cash in hand today is worth more than cash later because of what you can do with it in the meantime. Paying 7000 for full self-driving three years ago means that cash was tied up all three years

[@kentaroyamada8505]

This must've been a lot of work putting this educational video together! Thank you!!

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[@cf6965]

I wish nobody would buy it, as prices would come down automatically ! Tesla is testing how far they can up the price and people will still buy it !

[@frankconte264]

The problem is if he keeps upping the price, no one will get it. Most people I speak to refuse because of the price.

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

I'm almost certain they are raising the price because they DON'T want people into the program right now and to obviously show it's value. But reality is that if two car companies with basically same seats in it, offers to drive you somewhere, you really won't care much about what car it is, just the price and it is going to quickly be a race to the bottom when common. Like so many other features of cars. Which is great, but it's to say I wouldn't worry too much about the price in the long run. If another car company offers what autopilot does + lane change, then I think it's going to be more than enough for 90% of people for right now.

[@BrianJoslyn]

I'd probably get it, just to have it, if I had the bux. I don't like the thought of monthly payments for something like FSD because, at $12k, you make 61 payments (which is five(ish) years of payments) and you've paid more than $12k. Tesla NEEDS to let people pay the $12k and own it - thus, having the ability to have FSD included on another Tesla when trading/replacing one for another. However, I do like the ability to pay monthly for a month or two or so to have some time to decide whether to pay the $12k or 'lose' the feature.

[@allenbaylus3378]

So I am curious - if you paid $5-7,000 for it years ago and it is still in Beta (even though it was promised "coming soon" often) and it still is not available now, was that actually money well spent.

[@Yggdrasil42]

I wish the stoplight features and auto lane change were available for a small fee. Here in Europe FSD is gonna be a decade away, with regulations etc. At least make those features that work well here available for a fair price!

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[@Jerrboyy]

I was hoping to hear more explanation about the software differences in AP vs FSDb stack. For example, in regular autopilot the car brakes way too late for slowing traffic but I do not see this issue come up in the FSDb stack. Im wondering if the jerk comfort analysis decision tree or whatever has a lower threshold in FSDb?

[@TheCulinary_Explorer]

Considering its 15k Now .. WHATS YALL OPINIONS ?

[@eddieyutub]

That's the reason osborn effect is working on me, me and many friends are waiting. Driving hour last gasoline cars to the ground while some of us do own really affordable EV

[@FollowTheJohn]

I bought a new 2022 Model 3 (dual motor) with FSD four weeks ago. I applied for the beta and I have met all of the requirements but I have not heard a peep from Tesla. It is VERY frustrating!

[@islandsnow]

My prediction we won’t truly see full self driving in our lifetime where you don’t need to pay attention. Otherwise like you said, its more stressful and you have to pay MORE attention now than you driving the car yourself. So for me, a big no for 7K, 10k, 12k for fsd. Even more so not worth it if it doesn’t transfer with the owner. But… tesla can do it because people still buy it

[@martindbp]

"In our lifetime". Not sure how old you are, but let's say that's 50 years. So you're saying in the time frame it took us to go from the first PC release in 1981, or then Nintendo NES (1983), until today, we can not get to L4 autonomy from what you can see FSD doing today? Would you like to bet some money on that?

[@RyanJBuell27]

I predict level 5 autonomy to be possible by year 2030, not 2025 like DirtyTesla suggests might be possible. The depreciation doesn’t justify buying FSD if I will have to wait 8 years

[@2006drz400supermoto]

My 2022 Tesla model 3 I got in 5/22/2022 it does chime for green light, stops and goes at lights if I’m the second one first have to push the stock on the steering wheel. Stops at stop light and some other things you mentioned on auto steer. But I did pay 12,000 for fsd beta

[@thomasjacques5286]

When the car is on NoA with EAP is the car MORE efficient than Basic AP. Given I plan to trade up to a new tesla every 2 or 3 years so buying FSD is not financially worth it, I'll use the $199/mo subscription. EAP/FSD should transfer to new cars.

[@jorgenjohnson2168]

FSD $12 K?! that is super expensive

[@jasonmillner6416]

Paying for something now hoping in the future it will bring you more money is called investing. What do you mean?

[@thelivingmiracle]

Can/should Tesla ban a driver from purchasing a Tesla or a Tesla w/Autopilot if they abuse the system?

[@Deviloc1]

The FSD beta does monitor the driver, and will give them a "strike" if they're not paying attention. Three strikes and you lose access to the beta.

[@superset5]

12k isn't worth it because Tesla doesn't have the hardware or software to go "full self-driving". Heck, no one does. You're a damn fool if you spend $12k on vaporware.

[@tahaiftekhar6466]

A long video, sure, but every second was informative. Info given this video is rarely found in other videos. Thank you!!

[@th33b33]

I mainly use Autopilot when on the highway. It would be nice not to have to turn off/on auto pilot to pass slower cars on freeway but other than that I don't see how its worth $12K.....

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

Fsd should belong to the person not the car. This would lock in brand loyalty. It also removes the motivation for people to scream about wanting retrofits when fsd hardware changes.

[@wiggs16]

I was using the autopilot the other night, and two cops were flying down the other side, and the car slowed itself down from 65mph down to about 50…. Thought that was a unique feature

[@TheHaris1001]

Tbh I have FSD. Definitely not worth the price or the hype. I 99% of the time just use regular autopilot which is worth it in my opinion.

[@tonynotstated695]

I have the MYP 2022 and autopilot is excellent for everything I want except if autopilot simply included lane change on highways when you engage the turn signal. I would not want anything else from it.

[@dalton1981]

I have one in order and my plan is to wait and hope they make enhanced autopilot available again for a limited time like they have in the past. I’d jump all over that. I wouldn’t use fsd enough to make it worth 10, 12 or 15 k

[@matthojsik]

I would love to see most of the current FSD features included with autopilot once FSD Beta (True FSD) goes live. Changing lanes, stop signs, summons, auto park, all seem far more in line with a standard autopilot feature set, and 'Tesla's expected level of technology/premium pricing' if you will.

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[@CarolBLow]

We are very rural and wondering if you think it's worth applying for Beta? We get A LOT of phantom braking and car getting sun in its eyes and making driver assist unavailable and LOTS of collision warnings on 1 and 2 lane highways and "corrected for your safety" deals when we are right ON THE DRIVEWAY . We'd love to test all the features, but FSD seems more geared toward freeway and urban areas presently.

[@DirtyTesla]

If you already purchased FSD or want to/are subscribing, I would definitely apply for beta. If you don't like it, you can simply turn it off.

[@cb6879]

We just bought a 2018 model 3 that already has FSD Beta 🙌🏼

[@DirtyTesla]

Sick! Enjoy!

[@rhlamkin]

I think some of the things you just described about full self-driving versus autopilot is incorrect. Traditional autopilot with autosteer works on the highway just as you described without having to have FSD. So is Auto Park which by the way doesn't work very well for me. The green light chime chimes even if you're not in autopilot just driving the car. Stopped at a red light and the light turns green, it chimes. The big difference between standard built-in autopilot and FSD is that FSD supposed to work on city streets on city streets where standard autopilot does not. I have had FSD beta in my 2018 Model 3 for a few weeks now and it definitely does not work very well. You constantly have to take over. Definitely not worth $12,000 at this point.

[@AMan-io7wt]

Just like having no spare tire, the auto pilot is a FU to customers in future income for tesla kind of way.

[@Francesco-bu1hh]

What happens if you have FSD and you total your car? Do you have it transferred to your new Tesla ,or you have to buy FSD again?

[@TheSpartan3669]

You have to buy it again

[@bobbystephens2529]

A good insurance company would replace your car to spec…

[@Maker_Jake]

2:10 - Subaru also has the object aware feature on their eyesight system fwiw. Thanks for sharing as always!

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

For EVERYONE proposing to tell Tesla what to do about FSD, Tesla will do whatever makes economic sense. You aren’t smarter than Tesla or you would own and manufacture a company like Tesla. The price of FSD is based on its future worth that’s why the price increases each time progress is made. If you can’t afford it or want to ignore its potential, DONT BUY IT. Quit bitching about what you want or think you deserve.

[@IllusiveMan343]

They need a middle tier. Europe has enhanced auto pilot. I'm not paying 12K for FSD but I might pay an extra 1K for enhanced AP.

[@cranburydad]

If you by a new Tesla with basic autopilot and later want to add FSD, ca you? For the newest cars, is the hardware exactly the same or do they still leave out the FSD hardware?

[@rich1383yt]

Great answer/explanation at the end, Chris!

[@tomkarns1690]

I happily got Beta on Christmas morning, and was upgraded to 10.8.1 about a week later. I chose my routes differently for beta use when others are with me, vs. when I am alone. And I have friends who love to be my co-pilot when I run beta. Anytime people experience beta, they wished they had 1. A Tesla too, 2. Beta. Is it worth it? Tell me what you think is a better buy. Still waiting on 10.9.

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[@phat_gunpla_etc]

do you leave your tesla app always on setting? any tips/recommendation?

[@tomcain5069]

I won’t buy FSD whenever Tesla decides to build my CyberTruck. I probably will do subscription, but, only for long roadtrips.

[@danburkland]

$8k yes, $10k meh, $12k no

[@infinite-seeker3016]

What if you plan to keep the car for 10 or more years, is it worth it then?

[@michae1simm]

How good is navigate on autopilot at this point in time? How frequently do you have to take over on highways?

[@DirtyTesla]

It's very good. My commute is 25 miles highway each way and a safety take over is rare. Like weeks or even months apart. Comfort take over (like I just want to pass someone myself, change lanes, etc) but not necessary is more common.

[@michae1simm]

@@DirtyTesla Do you think it's getting so good on highways that Tesla could roll out level 3? Allowing people to not pay attention while it's on the highway, but then requiring humans to regain control once the system exits the highway

[@eddieyutub]

I think I know why Tesla charges $12,000 for full self-driving not only for its commercial use. They hire some smart programmers who are expensive to do the AI.

[@ult19x65]

Tesla is taking notes from Apple on how to over charge people. The Model S raised prices from 70k to 100k -- even that is excessive.

[@Shfytwo]

Great explanation and demo of FSD, thank you.

[@JoshuaT902]

FSD isn't worth 12 thousand. It's worth it if tied to your account, not the vehicle. Fewer and fewer potential customers will purchase when they keep raising the prices, and full self-driving recordings that help improve it will slow down because fewer users submit data. Also, is it better for tesla's budget, fewer customers at a higher or lower cost but more people buying the option?

[@JoshuaT902]

truly don't understand why it's per vehicle. You buy the software so having it for all your vehicles cost Tesla nothing.

[@FrederickKoehlmann]

People need to look at the $12,000 as an investment, and for investing a person needs to be willing to take a chance and have available capital. If you don't have the capital, then definitely don't get it. If investing, well maybe buy Tesla stock for now? It might appreciate faster than FSD. We did pay for it back in 2019, but we're older and if it can drive me around in later years, great. We also don't see getting rid of the car. We suspect that it will be with either us or our kids, so for us we see it as investing in the future.

[@adewouters]

I love Teslas and I dream to have one, but I'll never buy FSD. You know, already for many years, as long as I can remember actually, you can take a vehicle that will drive you from point A to point B without having you to do any of the driving at all, it's called a cab or an Uber or a bus, and it costs a lot less than that. Just to say that I don't even understand why FSD exists. If you don't want to drive, then why do you buy a car at all ? Call an Uber. Or wait for a Robotaxi, if you don't want to be in anything else than a Tesla. FSD is totally pointless, IMHO. And sorry to say but according the quantity of work you do to help developing FSD, it's actually Tesla who should pay you. After all, Tesla employees are paid for their work, aren't they ?

[@grambo1980]

I kinda wish they would segregate the features more with terminology or tiers something. The layman are so confused and just keep thinking autopilot kills people and that it drives the car its self

[@sallyleclerc8264]

How can I set my beta-self driving Tesla 2022 maximum speed over 70 mph?

[@BrokerBill]

What a great information packed video. Thank you.

[@jackychet5549]

Do you recommend getting a used Tesla from their website with FSD already installed?

[@DirtyTesla]

Now that is a much better deal! Yes, worth it imo

[@candopi]

Owning a 2020 M3LR with FSD in Germany, I did some sobering math lately: even reaching Lvl 2 autonomy ("hands off") on the Autobahn will require significant HW upgrades. According to Tesla, rearward camera vision extends to max. 100m. Sounds rather optimistic with 1280x960 px wide angle cameras. Keep in mind: (still) NO speed limit on many German Autobahns! So, cars and motorbikes in the fast lane frequently exceed 120 mph, occasionally 150 mph. Picture my Tesla driving behind a slow truck (

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[@foobar5853]

Recently upgraded my 2018 Model 3 to a 2022 Model 3 on Dec 29. I subscribed to FSD on Dec 31 and have had a safety score of 100 for 23 days and I still don’t have FSD Beta 😭😭😭

[@jasontan7920]

I have in just hours

[@philhorvath1347]

When I have Self Driving on and come up to a Green Light it just goes through without asking to confirm so not sure if that was an option and I haven't seen that since I received the Self Driving upgrade. It did that before I received the upgrade.