Tesla Cyberbulls: Debating the 🐂 Bull vs. 🐻 Bear Case for 2025

[@danunl]

I test drove a Tesla Model 3 last Saturday. I was blown away. I am buying one once my lease comes up in December.

[@InvestAnswers]

awesome, thanks for sharing.

[@mattogrady4005]

I own a Model 3, as a 53 year old skeptic and having owned a couple dozen cars and driven many dozen including friends and families BMWs and Mers this is by far the most enjoyable car Ive ever driven let alone owned! Its the best hands down.

[@jerrycampbell-ut9yf]

In both the short and long run, a bear and bullish market provides equal avenue to amass good gains I've seen people make 6figures profit as high as $200k in a bear market and I've seen them pull it off much easily in a bull market, it all comes down to having the right information and applying it.

[@Peterl4290]

well politicians for certain are gaining off the crash, and true the average individual could profit off a crash but such high-grade investing come with equal risk which can only be managed by a proper pro or expert.

[@Aarrenrhonda3]

No doubt, having the right plan is invaluable, my portfolio is well-matched for every season of the market and recently hit 100% rise from early last year. I and my CFP are working on a 7 figure ballpark goal, tho this could take till Q3 2024.

[@sabastinenoah]

Can you share details of your advisor? I want to invest my increased cash flow in stocks and alternative assets to achieve financial goals.

[@Aarrenrhonda3]

Google Annette Christine Conte and do your own research. She has portfolio management down to a science

[@sabastinenoah]

I just googled her and I'm really impressed with her credentials; I reached out to her since l need all the assistance l can get. I just scheduled a caII.

[@nokrekcom5377]

JokerAI32x movement begins and everyone is like acting crazy. Let's bring it up!

[@AR__GEMAR]

Can anyone explain JokerAI32x?

[@lefthandedscrewdriver3954]

Jeff Lutz has some very good points

[@suzigemini]

James you took a lot of heat for SOL--and you were right about it. I have faith in Tesla and you. I think the people mocking you or Tesla will NOT get the last laugh. Thank you and much love. PS May -July 2025 is my guess for Moon. ;) if not, that is fine with me too--I am patient.

[@Sol_Bull]

❤❤

[@stevevandoom]

So we all say the vehicles are only part of the Tesla story. But 80% of episode is cars.. I love to see the same effort to the other sides . A deeper dive into those segments.

[@mattogrady4005]

GREAT point!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

One year before they talked about selling maybe 20 Million Cars in 2030, now Cars arent that importend anymore!!!Hahaha...what comes after robotaxis and FSD and Energy arent so importend anymore?Tesla fastfood?

[@tdtesla]

We need the beach ball to escape from under the water James

[@InvestAnswers]

yes we do ...it will

[@cb3ftw]

The tesla model 3 lease is not 320 a month. I just leased the 2024 model 3 and it's about 400 when everything is said and done.

[@flagdrones]

Good point and great choice, said and done is key so thanks for sharing. Cap cost equals price, LMF equals the rate on the depreciable portion and leasing is the way to go unless you drive heavy miles and/or keep your autos a long time. Enjoy your Model 3!

[@citizenpunx]

How much down payment?

[@cb3ftw]

@@citizenpunx it's about 4200. Car is amazing btw

[@Bitcoinstheway]

Love James and Jeff’s insights, eye opening information , thank you 👍

[@TheRaizerx]

These seems to be multiple discussions like this every year where the next year is the year everyone will appreciate TSLA and the stock will shoot up… TSLA will only shoot up when FSD or is solved or Energy replaces the auto business.Whenever that is.

[@growthaddiction4275]

You still don’t get it. When rates are high, auto market struggles because it’s expensive to get financing for a car. If rates come down drastically, which is what the FED is going to do, then cars are more affordable. So demand goes way up like it was before rates shot up so high. Were you not listening? They literally talked about this on the live stream. And Tesla themselves is guiding for 50% production growth in 2025. As per Jeff, the factories have fixed costs. Therefore an increase in production means lower cost per vehicle which has an impact on margins and profitability aka what Wall Street cares about. Another boost on margins is the lower cost vehicles in 1st half of 2025. Lastly, with low rates it can bring up demand to a degree where you are forced to raise prices, further increasing margins and profitability. The point is that teslas car business is about to have a massive turn around where their margins go back up and the start becoming a lot more profitable.

[@Making-coin]

LOVE YOUR SHOW

[@petejames4672]

James and others convinced me to buy tesla when it was £1200 , its gone down ever since , my own choice i know , but its hard believing... im still holding

[@HUMC5]

Don't fall in the hype trap. Now that it went down alot that's a good time. Buy low, sell high!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

James is the Guy with the artificial eybrows who Looks like a Fortune Teller right?A master Bullshitter who perfected hes craft!I am realy impresst!

[@chaotic_coder]

Great show!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

No!

[@jesmondgauci8683]

I love these conversations. You get to hear both sides that agree and disagree. Great show guys .

[@deku3458]

Would love a new MSTR analysis sir!!

[@macdavid20]

Great show… but Elons on X is his own worst enemy. Inciting violence in UK is a stark example

[@HBLW1975]

Private lease Tesla 3 from 2019 in the Netherlands cost at least EUR 650 per month (12.000km/year). New one much more expensive even..

[@Dragonflydom]

I agree with James. Elon needs a handler. Focus on being a CEO

[@pg2692]

I have a few Tesla share, but presently wouldn’t consider purchasing a car, as all the technology you talk about isn’t usable in uk, with technology presently usable I prefer other cars

[@divingsnow]

Do ethics forgo profit?

[@ricrojas09]

Wow wow fn wow, you guys knocked it out of the park with this, literally treasure of information!!! I've been in the car business for 30yrs, mostly with GM, and in 4 different countries. Joining James IA for the last 3 yrs I've became so Tesla bullish, that I don't even want to sell Chevys anymore 😂😂, congratulations 🎉 👌🏽beautiful podcast.

[@audioeye2803]

I could actually watch this all day. Thanks Bulls!

[@bikerunswimjb]

musk hasn't made a stock holder 1 dollar for 4 years. I see that musk is a serial genius entrepreneur. he will risk every penny to grow the business. he doss not value the share holder. I kinda of understand the Maryland court now a little. tesla is a day trade. p.s. if cathy woods likes it then sell or look away.

[@davet766]

BYD cars are very poorly made. Thats why sales are tanking. US cars assembled in Mexico also have poor quality control.

[@doortjeD]

Live to hear James

[@Mango_TalingChan]

Great show. Thank you all!

[@1HundredP]

Much appreciated gents!

[@Christhecarpenter345]

This debate is like so many other videos on KZbin, all the speakers are pro tesla bulls and none are bears...so this is not a debate at all just a tesla advertisement, I wish we could have actual debatesinstead of this hugely biased stuff. Just my opinion.

[@Fedzy]

I mean, it is called 'Cyberbulls'

[@EmpireEnglishSchool]

@@FedzyI think he’s talking about the video title

[@HUMC5]

Tesla stock was insanely overbought in 2021/22.

[@flagdrones]

This was an enlightening episode, thank you gentlemen.

[@Dreams4641]

I work for Stellantis on the line. Ugh, but I own Tesla stocks!

[@melisalercari4334]

You're all FANTASTIC!!!

[@InvestAnswers]

You're the best!

[@melisalercari4334]

@@InvestAnswers You are James! I'm so appreciative of all your work! You've truly changed my life and provide the best alpha and financial education out there!

[@lefthandedscrewdriver3954]

Consumers aren't stupid. They will eventually figure out the best option. The market will decide

[@robertdagge200]

In the 60's people said Eric Clapton was God. Now it's Elon Musk. Big fan and waiting for my primary holding in Tesla.

[@Anytimeanywhere444]

Not even 1 k likes this deserves more people!

[@Garce227]

James is the king of Tesla🙏

[@morsecodeNcrypto]

What a Great video, really enjoyed this happy I caught it.

[@bravohotel]

Would have liked to hear more about the AI, Robotaxi and Optimus segments of the company.

[@BoltUp7000]

A breath of fresh air. Great show, 🔥💚

[@Arterium]

Loving this! James I love your personal trainer story. I’m driving my old man’s hand me down V8 Lexus LS430. Hopefully enough listening to you and I will be able to upgrade to a Cyber-Truck. Thanks everyone.

[@petejames4672]

Cybertruck looks cool and a good car , but if you want to use as a real truck that isn't it man

[@gasperferlinc8550]

Is ok to stick with crypto for now? Or start swapping for tesla and when to start?

[@samzip1582]

Great show, thanks James

[@MJLGEE]

This was wonderful - thank you!!

[@pg2692]

The only reason I have bought some Tesla shares, is because James has the opinion the shares will do well and other things he has been bullish on seem to have done well. If I went with my personal Tesla experiences only I would never invest, I totally understand why many are bearish if they have had similar experiences to me with Tesla

[@Michael.James6]

Thank you Guys Great show .

[@JohnVito]

James: Which tires did you end up purchasing for your Model X?

[@jms281]

Yes James, we vote for our future. You are correct. And not allowing old men to rob women of their rights is more important than profiting with my Tesla stock. Men need to be reminded that 50% of the population are women and we vote 🗳️. With or without children or cats. I’ll wait for my Tesla to pop. Democracy first 🫡

[@BoulOnDaNet]

We need a new MSTR video!!!

[@Anytimeanywhere444]

We certainly do after their split

[@elonmusknewsnetwork]

100%

[@FN-Alpha-YT]

Really valuable content, true knowledge from all these guys. Jeff my man… go bald completely. No hate I’m trying to help

[@pg2692]

Running costs for me in a Tesla is 3x + that of my current car, taking into account insurance, no ability to home charge, and all other expenses involved in owning a Tesla. Your numbers may fit a few optimal situations but in my opinion not most

[@user-np4xe3sv3f]

Interesting. I assume insurance? What else makes ownership 3x?

[@Anytimeanywhere444]

Yeah it is not 3x face value u MAYBE, but u dont need oil changes or really new breaks on a tesla, unless u got the model S plaid or something i dont see how it could be 3x more expensive, also home charging is gonna save u a lot compared to overall gas savings over the years of owning ur BEV

[@user-np4xe3sv3f]

@@Anytimeanywhere444 it’s funny but until recently I assumed they used oil since all cars do. I’m sure they brake way more efficiently than people. Am interested but don’t own one.

[@pg2692]

@@Anytimeanywhere444 don’t know where you live but in uk if you don’t have home charging, on street charging is extremely expensive. I assure you it would cost me more that 3 times in running costs owning a Tesla in my situation. Tesla presently is not affordable for the average person in uk unless they want to get into debt. I pay £300 presently for my yearly car insurance, Cheapest quote for a Tesla is 6x that. In most cities in uk Tesla is impractical as most have no access to cheap home charging. Tesla presently in uk is crap compared with other cars. This last year my current car total expenses including all running costs and maintenance was £980 and that’s taking into depreciation on the vehicle over the year as well. Ok it’s an old car and has virtually no depreciation. Previous personal car to present car was a top range level 4 Kia Niro hybrid, bought it brand new with a big car wow discount for £26,200, sold it after 7 months later for £27,600, taking into account all running costs insurance, road tax, fuel, maintenance I ended up making a profit after using and owning it for 7 months. Buy a brand new Tesla after 7 months you would be at a huge loss. Last business car I got was a brand new top of the range Volvo ultimate xc60 plug in hybrid I got 22 percent off through fleet, it has massage seats, air suspension, huge range of off road and on road drive modes, much more usable tech and comfort than any new tesla that would be inferior and more costly overall to buy own use and sell after a year. Never could get deals like this with Tesla. Own any new Tesla for a year is throwing money downs the drain when you come to sell it after a year.

[@pg2692]

@@user-np4xe3sv3f yes mainly insurance but also I don’t think James factors in depreciation on a Tesla compared with many other brand new cars that have huge new discounts and give you a much better return after selling after a year of ownership .

[@aaron-qy2me]

Great content, thank you for this!!!

[@p.t.9709]

Fantastic episode.

[@freefire-oe9tz]

Joker Ai32x time! This thing is lifting up in ways nobody did before

[@bobkay6279]

Thanks James 😊

[@bigntasty1026]

Can i be drinking and smoking while the car is driving, if so ill take it..

[@redbaron1006]

YES I love my motorcycle too! :)

[@elonmusknewsnetwork]

@investanswers do you holds leaps on TSLA in addition to a stock position?

[@shifty500]

The analytical bull🐂🎯🧠💪

[@BabhubhaiDamor-gw2sw]

holding my 100k JokerAI32x from the presale .. JokerAI32x to the moon!

[@ninjashhh8344]

Thanks guys for sharing the truth 🤙😎🤙

[@baristermbolor4867]

100% agree Xander’s view on this Elon thing with politics. Other people who run businesses do engage in politics & have political opinions & express them & their rights to do so but not in the ways & manner that Elon does. The way Elon goes about it just incites division & uncomfortable to many. People associate this with Tesla as James says and that impacts the stock. That said I separate that from Tesla that’s why I continue to invest in Tesla but not many can arrive at this.

[@tjmooney4181]

Acquire tesla if you want to gain dollars, acquire satoshis if you want to gain financial freedom 😉

[@aaronedgeworth2885]

Buy Tsla Short Ice manufacturers

[@abasauruswex6418]

James and his buddies 😊

[@user-uf4ev4pk4y]

Tesla will really teach you . . Patience is a Virtue.

[@angusmcbraith]

Does new energy vehicle include hybrid in China?

[@RexRogers_]

I fumbled my Tesla stock on Monday :/

[@InvestAnswers]

oh no what happened ?

[@jared8038]

I also panic-sold half my sol and btc 😢

[@tedbrenner4097]

I stacked more on Monday.

[@RexRogers_]

@@InvestAnswers fell below my entry and had no cash available. Waiting for re entry soon. Thanks for all you do James

[@RexRogers_]

@@tedbrenner4097 you are him sir 📈

[@VirendraKumar-sr1gp]

Thanks for sharing FET and JokerAI32x.

[@marco-sq8sh]

Stellantis in Italia sono a rischio 25000 posti di lavoro e chiedono soldi allo stato italiano 😢

[@bigntasty1026]

J froggy, the legend....

[@wayned550]

Slowly creeping up to your retirement model number, waiting patiently for some cryto picks to rise then swapping to tesla to reach my goal. Patiently waiting

[@user-if2ve1lx3k]

Jumping in to the Jokerai32x with y'all

[@runesvendsen743]

Canary citizen here.. Norway. See the % of new sales, but caveat; Norways economy is on HC steroids and only 5mill people. 25% evs vs other comparable countries are around 2%. And powersupply.. energy?

[@pg2692]

You keep talking about Tesla being a cheaper car, from my investigations and visits to Tesla and other manufacturers in uk, I have found Tesla a much more expensive car, inferior build in many ways, stuck up cliquey club attitude, and a customer service and communication I absolutely hate to date

[@ArnoldSommerfeld]

Tesla is inferior. Caveat emptor.

[@nathanielschroeder1321]

The market wants an economy model. The Billions of dollars pay package doesn't sit well with most. I understand at first needing high profit margins to stick back into the company but with Billions going to Musk now, I feel the company is off track and deaf to the majority voice.

[@nishaprabhu3494]

How come you don't ever talk about JokerAI32x??

[@venoxidae]

10:00 ?

[@suropjitghosh8492]

Bought JokerAI32x after watching your video, super excited!

[@walter.66]

For the petrol heads there is always the Hyundai Ioniq 5N 😊

[@tigger6602]

James, I may have been heavy on my comments to you in the past on your mission to gain USD via BTC, but this show was excellent, and I loved everything about it. Also, it prompted me to subscribe to Mr. Ong. Does Jeff Lutz have a channel? I could only find a racing car driver 😂

[@petejames4672]

Cyber truck is a dud , if you want to use as a real truck ..

[@tommyj1811]

3 years down.... wait 3 more? 6 more?

[@jevgenysapoznikov1666]

Top convo in all aspects!

[@arifbaba5482]

Buddy Seen udssr? How old is he?

[@jonharper7930]

I'm one of the people Elon brought into the fold by purchasing X. I was so excited that the truth could be told. Then I discovered tesla, sold some of my real estate and out all that money into telsa stock last January. Super happy about all of it. My brother also got on board. Bought stock, bought a new model y dual motor and he and his wife live it. I rode in it last may on fsd in Phoenix and it was amazing. So I bought more stock. Next step for me and my wife is buying a new model S.

[@adftraining6]

So u bought recently and it’s breaking even

[@CG.badboy]

Awesome video! Thanks for the information! Any thoughts on JokerAI32x?

[@LettuceHands]

JAMES IS THE BEST!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

James is the Cryptobullshitter right?

[@LettuceHands]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl troll

[@Piper_01]

Great stuff James.. Love your passion.

[@bikerunswimjb]

you guys are smarter than me...but I think all the shareholders are simply going to finance musks AI habit

[@divingsnow]

Mstr or tsla for next 6 months?

[@growthaddiction4275]

Look further. 12 months. You will realize more rate cuts which will flow more money into stocks and bitcoin, increase in global liquidity, helps tesla sell more cars at better margins, helps more money flow into risk assets like bitcoin. I would say go 50% Tesla and 50% mstr for 12 months out. Should be rewarded heavily

[@veneersdoc]

not much comment about Elon's foresight in X purchase as he converts it into WeChat, where you can do everything. News, chat, buy, sell with minimal friction/expense removing middle men like visa/mc/amazon etc and utilize crypto. People should realize when a chessmaster makes a move, there are more genius moves to follow that you should be thinking about. He's always at least 6 moves ahead of any and all players, gov'ts included.

[@veneersdoc]

also no discussion of the slight reprieve all auto makers will get with the 1-1.5% interest rate reduction by the Fed, that will stimulate the "end of season sales " by year end. But that's if they structure the financing well for overleveraged consumers.

[@bikerunswimjb]

yes. he is a master player who will sacrifice every dollar to achieve the impossible. a focused davinci who himself does not care about money or stockholder desires. his work is too important. he is a super genius indifferent to share price.

[@ashachikundare3855]

Very bullish on Jokerai32x! ATH in 2024!

[@Shubham_verma-x]

Participated in the JokerAI32x presale and now looking forward to its market debut

[@MJLGEE]

Xander, they can’t learn from history, because they don’t know history!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

This is amazing,Look all these Guys coming together and perfecting the Art of bullshitting!

[@InvestAnswers]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl 🙏🙏🙏

[@deadline495]

Thanks for sharing TON and JokerAi32x.

[@jakevolk_]

Elon is a hero

[@allthingsconsidered7111]

Elon made a decision to do good while making green instead of evil while making green.

[@davidforristall4213]

Dude!!!! My friend, just clip the hair. Do you know what everyone is saying after they see you? I'm sorry, but WTF????