Tesla FSD v13 Is Unprecedented

[@FarzadMediaINC]

Chuck on YT: youtube.com/@chuckcook?si=66c0dVahXolsP1YO Chuck on X: x.com/chazman?s=21

[@shallenberger57]

Farzad, I have been trying to get people to understand that FSD does amazingly in good weather. In the heavy rain or on snow-covered roads, it does not work well enough to be fully autonomous. The ASS fails in those same situations. I am very bullish in Tesla and really want Autonomy to be solved, but right now, we are not ready to say "FEATURE COMPLETE."

[@ChuckCook]

Thanks for the support Farzad and Hans, and the great conversation you both helped create!

[@RobertDickert]

Software engineer here. Hans is definitely right that HW3 isn’t out of gas yet. It makes sense to use the AI4 power to reach the solution faster and then distill, quantize, etc to make a smaller model that works nearly as well or even better than older larger models

[@chrisalbertson5838]

Another software engineer here. How do you know this? I assume Tesla is doing something like MPC. If I were doing this, I would continue the search and optimization until some real-time deadline occurs. So with faster hardware, I'd do a wider search. It is like a clock while playing chess. So HW4 would not find a solution faster. I don't think we know.

[@privatename123]

Chuck nailed it with voice controlled bail outs.

[@retiredbitjuggler3471]

Love Chuck’s evaluations! He pushes the corner cases to the point where my pucker index often jumps off the chart. His ability to verbalize his perception of his situational awareness reflect his high performance aircraft training. Like you and Hans, I never miss any of his videos. Being a beekeeper just sweetens the deal (I know that was lame). 😂😂😂

[@georgelewis8831]

I think grok will replace the joystick idea - just tell it what to do : “hey grok, go into that McDonalds drive through” or “park in a handicapped area” etc.

[@ferrismartinez]

Yeah once it learns about niche locations then telling it what to do will probably solve the rest

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

I would like the joystick more. Or is their a Grokina?

[@hankkingsley9183]

Or a wheel you could turn for the steering and pedals on the floor you could push to control acceleration and braking

[@kennyg1358]

​@@hankkingsley9183those items are expensive and the wheel is dangerous.

[@BongoWongoOG]

@@hankkingsley9183 not a chance, confirmed by Tesla engneers and Franz

[@isthatatesla]

I had the pleasure of meeting Chuck Cook as a fellow attendee at We, Robot, on 10.10. He was super modest, despite the kudos from everyone. Even came back to apologize after I kinda interrupted him when he was speaking with some Tesla employees. This was my first BIG Tesla event, and I was tired and pretty overwhelmed. I was SHOCKED Chuck wasn't a VIP. Heck, in my eyes, he'd have been speaking after Elon. 😉 (Edited for grammar, but because I was naughty.)

[@thomaseaves6119]

Chuck Cook is the GOAT !

[@WillBeebe]

For lefties, he sure is :)

[@isthatatesla]

💯 percent

[@isthatatesla]

🤔

[@javierferrer8898]

I agree honest reviews.

[@badtoro]

Chuck is annoying AF. He says nothing profound. So full of himself

[@khut2u]

Tesla is quite lucky to have people like Chuck Cook independently working their software issues.

[@gregbailey45]

For free!

[@getreal7217]

Thanks Farzad and Hans. These sessions with the FSD goats (Chuck, AJ, Chris, and hopefully Omar) are gold. Looking forward to James discussion!

[@pazznecht]

Tesla can sell pothole data to the government/municipality. Than send Optimus to fix them. 😉

[@microsfan]

LOVE THIS!!!

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Its funny, we here in Europe - at least in some countries - have the right to sue the state, city, county if they do not clean and repair the roads. If i get a damge on my car because of bad maintenance the insurance reimburses themselves from the minucipalities. That is cleaning AND maintenance. I once had an accident where i could not leave the crossing because of spilled diesel under rain. It was invincible. But the fire department knew about it and did not send anyone to celan the spill, put up wanring signs, nothing. My car was slightly damaged, the other was totalled. My insurance did not even call me back. They handled everything in the background.

[@world-karma9127]

That's some out the box thinking, 🤔 I like

[@djlovetap2141]

OMG genius!!! Definitely a new doubled up revenue stream!!

[@TomSmash1990]

Never clicked a Farzad vid faster chuck cook ❤❤❤❤

[@jkimo11]

Chuck is a smart man. He needs to be on more --- on the other channels as well (e.g. Brighter w/Herbert, CyberBulls).

[@Martin-se3ij]

Farzad, you are not listening to Chuck telling you the amount of training he had to have to use a joystick. How do you get proficient to use a joystick if you don't use it for thousands of miles. Think of a rudder on a boat. A simple device but a lot of people not use to boating cannot handle it.

[@gregbailey45]

It becomes a legal responsibility/ insurance issue if there is a resulting accident!

[@jfkadish]

Chuck's point about different license types makes a joystick impossible when you consider you need a motorcycle license to operate a motorcycle

[@jimmccall8030]

I would love to see a list of what isn’t complete and see Tesla focusing on those things and how they are solving them - emergency vehicles, school buses, pot holes, school zones, gates, toll booths, leaving and parking in my garage and driveway etc etc …. We’re almost there

[@briansmith8320]

I LOVE the idea of the GROK conversation integration idea. "Hey Grok, drop me at the front of the store then go park" "Don't park here, find another spot, there's an end spot 3 spaces down" "See that person standing and waving at the curb? Stop next to them I want to pick them up". Very exciting.

[@Warekiwi]

One of your best videos so far Farzad and as a UK MYLR owner I'm quite jealous of the more relaxed legislation of fsd over there! As a retired airline pilot I certainly agree with Chuck's comments regarding possible backup control modes for the Robitaxi. I have over 16000 hrs of experience flying airliners with conventional controls but my one short experience on a a Airbus A320 simulator showed me that it's not just a slight issue to swap to that method of control! His suggestion of a possible 'voice mode' makes a lot more sense. Keep up the good work and I look forward to future discussions along the same l8ne.

[@mrshaun8812]

Farzad, another thing to consider about the joystick besides the regulatory hurdle with drivers license is the state of the passenger. What if the passenger who has several drinks and is technically drunk, go into the robo taxi. Is the Tesla car going to hand them a joystick controller? Also, what if a person hail the robo taxi and does not have a driver’s license? Are we going to hand them a joystick controller. Lastly, what about someone that is under the age to legally drive? Elderly, etc. so many issues with this joystick controller may end up being more a liability than a solution. What if an accident happens when that person is controlling the joystick, who becomes legally responsible; Tesla or the passenger?

[@andreavenaa]

Joystick makes no sense.

[@jdefrain1]

Cars and roads need to integrate transceivers so that road signs, construction zones, and emergency vehicles could communicate seamlessly. Static signs will always be problematic. Think about dirty signs, blocked by trees, twisted, knocked over, vandalized etc) Cars, construction workers, 1st responders could transmit their intention to all near vehicles, even people, bikes, could carry a transceiver to cross streets or around school zones, parking garages could post hours and rates, neighborhood security gates, need a solution for the multitude of crazy edge cases. After the 100% transition to driver-less cars, we could replace all signs and traffic signals with transceivers. Just post updates on the interior car display, such as; waiting for cross street, pulling to the right for 1st responder, slowing for school zone, and if we must, billboards too.

[@isthatatesla]

I don't think a lot of cities even have traffic signals synchronized figured out, but I could be incorrect.

[@djlovetap2141]

10x better: no babbling drivers, best multimedia system… that’s enough to beat Uber to a pulp!! You had me at “no babbling” 😂

[@crichton269]

Chuck needs to become a regular/resident on your Videos/podcast Farzy! He’s really entertaining and informative !

[@eclecticcyclist]

I agree with Chuck that a software solution for controloing the Cybercab is far more likely, it could be like just for a technican or overviewer with administrator rights to take over under exceptional circumstances. Some drivers just aren't familiar with using a joystick for it to be used in emergency take over situations.

[@ffbells]

My pilot license does not restrict me to the yoke I learned on. The first plane I owned had a center stick, no additional rating required.

[@whowhy9023]

Plenty of space in the air…

[@ffbells]

@@whowhy9023 But the costs for mistakes are greater, and you can't train in a parking lot.

[@hubertnguyen7485]

32:17 Chuck is right the joy stick is not easy to control a vehicle for most people. A screen interface where the car is stuck and not sure what to do the rider can manually input a path on the screen for the vehicle, the car then proceed base on the new pathway. If the car cannot drive then the rider just switch car. Just like when a bus break down, you wait for the next bus to come and you get on the next bus.

[@danielmarquis434]

The chat gpt moment happens when you’re on the freeway, you look over and you see the guy in the other car on his phone not paying attention to the road

[@Joe_Zajac]

I really like Chuck’s suggestion of just talking to the car as if it were a cabbie! That would be awesome!

[@aminesaib]

@48:00, I completely agree with Chuck: the best UI is no UI. We’ll probably just interact with the car through conversation.

[@JohnRatcliff-mr8ks]

I have been a joystick fan for several months until now. The new solution If the cyber cab gets stuck, is an option on the screen that you use similar to summons. Push to move, let up to stop, based on the four directional options. Boom! This will replace 1000's of teleoperators and no additional hardware needed.

[@papafamilias92010]

Yep. Plus you can’t have some joystick a person could drop haha that’s ridiculous

[@Bill-cy2cy]

Chuck is so damn intelligent. Never get enough of his insights. So fun to see his enthusiasm towards this development.

[@edhill8568]

The FSD equivalent of the ChatGPT moment is when non Tesla owners watch Tesla's driving around with the owner in the front seat watching a movie/streaming app and/or reading. When a Ford/GM owner sees this it will be a significant moment for them and hasten FSD's public awareness.

[@grannietesla]

As always, an engaging video. Would like to see a discussion regarding liability in the event of an accident with fully autonomous driving,

[@Gelp]

Great video. It would be good to see who is present in the conversation at the start and once in a while during the chat. It was weird referencing a 3rd person on the call (Hans) but not seeing him until he spoke minutes in.

[@isthatatesla]

D'oh !

[@LAMONTDalton-k4x]

Bought XAI501x after watching your video and others, super excited! 💰

[@70lilthumpert]

Chuck is a pilot. This makes a difference in perspective.

[@mikecoleman2003]

Farzad, what if Tesla does this when it gets stuck. Present to the user options on the screen where to go when it gets stuck. Maybe use the existing ui and place arrows for different directions the car can proceed when it gets stuck. The user just selects one of the options and the car cautiously proceeds in that direction until it can takeover and continue driving autonomously or asks the user to choose from a new set of options. this is similar what waymo and cruise are doing behind the scenes. No need for training of a joystick or whatever control. These times a user needs to choose a direction will be very rare. If the car creeps based on the user selection then safety risk is very low and most of the time the car just needs a slight nudge and the car can continue

[@shallenberger57]

Farzad, I have been trying to get people to understand that FSD does amazingly in good weather. In the heavy rain or on snow-covered roads, it does not work well enough to be fully autonomous. The ASS fails in those same situations. I am very bullish in Tesla and really want Autonomy to be solved, but right now, we are not ready to say "FEATURE COMPLETE."

[@tiyw6980]

cybertruck is beautiful in person. work of art

[@aminesaib]

@1:13:43 Many Tesla owners don’t use FSD, even during the free trial. I always peek to see if FSD is on when a Tesla passes by me, and most of the time it’s not. My wife is one of them-she switches her profile back to Autopilot during the free trial. When I asked her why, she said, 'Unless I’m sitting in the back seat doing work while the car drives, I’ll just drive myself, lol.' I am the opposite because I am mesmerized by the whole technology.

[@shallenberger57]

The Robotaxi does not have a rear window and no side mirrors. A joystick would be dangerous for any backing unless you can turn on the side and rear cameras before any motion is allowed.

[@walisantana]

Chuck, I noticed that on low speed what showed is the acceleration profile like chill or standard and when you get to the highway the 3 profiles take over

[@drewmeyers7397]

honeslt farzad, it's kinda hard listening to you try to push this joystick idea

[@U2B_Viewer]

11:15 what you just described.Was a legal action followed by an illegal action. You pull up into the intersection, if the light turns red, you have the right of way to go. It would not be considered running a red light. You never reverse under an intersection when the light turns red. Edit: i also live in south Florida

[@isthatatesla]

Disagree that you never reverse as it's never ALWAYS safe to proceed. Agree to disagree. 🤠

[@U2B_Viewer]

@isthatatesla you apparently don't know Florida law

[@coreycoddington8132]

Totally agree for his odd on the joystick! Chuck is describing the complexity of learning a joystick that is controlling a vastly more complex machine on far more degrees of freedom in this case the joystick like you said front back right left with an intelligent interface that offers options IE is this drivable space

[@feedvid]

Great video. Chuck 👍

[@hmugica]

Thank you for putting these talks out. Your in depth review is very helpful! I bit of my own experience… I had a 2022 Model S with HW3 and recently I changed it for a 2023 only to get HW4. The performance is orders of magnitude better. I have about 400 miles with the 2023 S and I haven’t had a single disengagement yet. It is also much nicer rides, comfortable. The difference between HW3 and HW4 performance is crazy.

[@michaelcoomes8001]

Maybe an electronic device or kiosk type identification could be attached to individual school signs letting the car know slow / hyper ped watch schedule for certain days. Something that could be upgraded seasonally perhaps.

[@williamrogers1219]

You don't need to disengage FSD in school zones or when the car reads an incorrect speed limit if you don't use the auto speed function. I typically use the scroll button to slow the car down.

[@sesha9042]

Steering wheel and brake pedal when are done by wire are joysticks. New joystick form factor not needed. Cost also very comparable.

[@manishchhetri]

Chuck is the Tesla GOAT

[@blakefearday6047]

48:31 100% its not just Uber or human Transport, but product transport. Walmart could add this service to walmart+ , amazon could add these for same day delivery (the other companies that do the same thing would also join in this to stay competitive). I also love the consept of a runner car that maps roads for other cars to run more efficiently based of "daily change" road data, and selling off map data. A big one i just thought of was emergency signal cars for municipalities and police departments/fire departments, also oversized load leads and followers. Thinking of product transport, im thinking of electritians and plumbers when they need a part, they can send the car to pick it up and they can keep working (im thinking new construction) i am sure there are a few more edge cases and probably another large case and maybe something that we have never thought of before.

[@cascadiadesign]

I imagine a scenario where some businesses will deduct the cost of your robotaxi drive (at least the amount from your house to their location & back) off your purchase as an incentive to get your business. Back in the day businesses used the tactic of "free parking" as an incentive - this is a new spin on an old idea.

[@77chickox]

I want to comment on reading signs. I believe it does need to read signs and I will give two examples. 1. On the highway in construction zones (no map data) where a lane is closed and merge signs are posted. The driver needs to move over to the open lane before the traffic cones are later placed. I encountered these cones too late in heavy traffic and had to disengage. 2. Coming down a mountain where the posted speed is 55 but sharp curves have ‘suggested’ yellow speed signs that say 30 mph. 55 is too fast given the grade and curve and I have to disengage.

[@khut2u]

There is a non-safety related issue where really bad navigation solutions are selected. I have an issue where instead of taking the first exit on a roundabout. It takes the second exit on a roundabout goes up two streets and makes a U-turn and comes back and then makes the correct turn. I’m on hardware four version 12.5.3.

[@garycarson3128]

By waiting at the stop line when FSD sees another car in the median trying to cross or do a U-turn also eliminates possible confusion with the other driver that might hesitate (thinking that you may be an aggressive driver) even though they have the right of way.

[@Ddj2112]

The sunlight issue is a problem if it still exists on hw4. You can’t have these disengagements if the goal is RT. Unless someone is ready to take over.

[@isthatatesla]

Safety is always the number one goal and a human takeover is a failsafe at this point, in my eyes.

[@gregbailey45]

I agree with Chuck. There is no way Tesla will put a crappy joystick in the robotaxi. If an emergency occurs, ir will definitely be handled with Grok integration via conversational input and feedback.

[@NICKYSpearman]

First Elon bought X and now he launched the XAI501x token this year is crazy

[@KarlSchaeffer-es7nw]

Fed Ex and UPS try hard to avoid left turns whenever possible. I do as well in my CT. In Chill mode, FSD could navigate slightly longer routes to avoid the problematic left turns.

[@robertgamble7497]

Once unsupervised FSD comes out, I expect my 2018 model 3 Rear Wheel Dr. to be upgraded by having a new model 3 long range rear wheel drive, drive up to my door and say here’s your new car. We’ll come pick up your old one once you transfer the registration to this model 3.

[@MrObiwan6669]

If I have a driver's license, I can drive a scooter below a certain size. Most aircraft have slightly different controls. A cyber cab would also have AI assist on what ever type of controls they provide which means most of the concerns one might have about control of the vehicle are moot.

[@justinsjourney3224]

Something I'd like to point out that a lot of people aren't thinking about is that, for example, they say the car didn't creep forward at a stop sign, but maybe there was no one else around. Nothing behind it, and then they start saying, well, if it was a scenario like ABC. Or d, that might not be good. Yeah, but who's to say it would act the same way in ABC or d? These aren't systems that are programmed to act a certain way. When they see a stop sign, they're recognizing every pattern imaginable and making intelligent decisions, so all of the ways that the car behaves are going to have nuance depending on more factors than we're going to be able to keep tracking

[@techviking8011]

Great discussion. Super interesting. My 2 cents on what we will see in 2025. Smaller and cheaper car with key elements from the CyberCab and a motorbike like steering wheel as small and cheap as it gets with steering and speed/brake control all on the steering wheel/handle bars. Steer by wire so no steering column needed. This will be the basic configuration until unsupervised is approved. Unsupervised will require AI5 and new camera positions including the bumper cam, Unsupervised will first be available as test cars with safety drivers and these will be modified M3/MY including AI5

[@andyfeimsternfei8408]

I think the first adopters for robotaxis will be rural areas. I live in the country, and everybody around me drives 50-100 miles twice a day to work a $10-20/ hr job. They spend half their paychecks buying worn-out used cars and buying gasoline. A cheaper option will convert them instantly.

[@edhill8568]

Farzad there are already strong rumors that the Cybercab is moved around stores and other places using a PS5 console by Tesla employees. It's a much bigger requirement than Teleoperators simply at the location where the Cybercab is based. Things like moving to service to fix a flat tire. A wireless PS5 used in or next to the Cybercab is mandatory.

[@Mnoriega89]

It’s getting better every time I still having problems in the exit highways , some exists has only 1 line exit and Tesla still thinking always 2 exit lines .

[@isthatatesla]

But you don't have v13, right?

[@sparkpaul]

No joystick 🕹️

[@erikral]

Reading signs will probably be solved with Grok integration. As a comparison, you can take a picture of a book page, upload it to ChatGPT, and the AI will be able to digitize the content completely. Presumably, integration of Grok with FSD would provide the bridge for reading and integration of road sign information.

[@JewellGoble]

XAI501x is definitely on my radar now! Appreciate the insights from your video!

[@rzee4331]

Wouldn't all autonomous cars need some sort of manual control for times when something malfunctions? For end users it may just be an emergency stop button, but fleet operators or first responders would need someway to override control if autonomy or wireless connections malfunction or screen blanks out.

[@WillBeebe]

fwiw, i don't know if pixels mean range. the a7s was a better low-light camera because it had fewer pixels per square mm on the sensor itself. maybe Tesla will use 1k and 5k cameras to get a mix of this, who knows

[@chrvids5846]

Wish I could get a shortened summary of this hour and 20 minute video.

[@jasonpanosh9579]

Supervised vs unsupervised with a driver in the seat is just semantics. Right now I'm watching FSD V13 driving people around and except for them watching ahead and/or torquing the wheel to tell the computer they are there and paying attention, the car has driven without intervention the whole time. I don't even think I've seen the red hands to take over, although I bet that happens still. So now you extend the "are you paying attention" logic a bit further. Now, so long as the human isn't asleep and they are checking their surroundings X time per minute, we now say they are paying attention. The car is still doing all the driving exactly the same. In reality, the only logic missing is what the car does when it needs you to take over. Even supervised, if the car alerts but you don't take over, what does it do next? So to me, right now for probably 90% of driving the supervised model is effectively unsupervised because the human is only verifying they are paying attention but physically not doing any if the driving, so as the conference of this situation increases because of no interventions then for all intents and purposes you can say it's ready for unsupervised.

[@falazarte]

I want Grok or some kind of assistant that I can talk to the car and say: "Leave me right here and go park yourself under a shaded area (I live in Florida LOL) "

[@infochannel392]

Since the Tesla mantra is delete as much as possible, why not just delete the need for unprotected left-hand turns? Sorry Chuck :-) but the truth is entire fleets make a rule to not do left-hand turns. You can still get from point A to point B virtually every time. It would seem this would go a long way as Chuck was saying about constraints. Great show, great topic and an extremely great guest! Keep up the good work!

[@claudioabado3317]

"We'll have driverless cars next year" for sure :-)

[@isthatatesla]

"By the end of the year..."

[@gohkairen]

chuck is alot smarter than most of us.

[@sjvtesla]

This was another great video

[@wilsondayakarpuvvula2982]

Common man, stop with the joystick. Tesla does not waste resources on something that they think is temporary.

[@djsUltra]

With v12/v13's photons in - controls out approach, it should already, in principle, have the ability to read signs. Why they're not there yet could be due to a number of things. It could be noise in the training data, where there is just too large a variance for how people handle signs. It could partly be due to the context length. Since it clearly has the ability to detect signs (for the visualisation) I'm confident they'll get there.

[@libertykrueger1433]

You wouldn’t need a special ‘joystick’ driver license if it wasn’t a means of direct control of the vehicle. If it was just a way to let the car know where you wanted it to go or to suggest a solution to something that stumped the onboard computer, it might be useful, but I think those functions could be implemented onscreen. As for teleoperators, I don’t think Tesla will use them as a primary solution. Instead the car will go to cortex for solutions first. That can be done very quickly with no interruption to the drive. Tesla may utilize teleoperators if cortex can’t solve something but that will be very rare.

[@TechRyze]

The IQ level of the whole video plummeted as soon as the guy starts suggesting joysticks.

[@highlanderapparel]

I thought the school zone question was probably the best question. I’ve heard in weeks about FSD the Highlander. PS always remember my model kindness is always free and these inflationary times use what’s free in your daily life😊

[@whoajack]

It is quite odd to me that FSD doesn't always follow the clearly known map data. I often have the map saying it will go straight, and it signals to go left only turn lane even though its route is going straight. Often also merge onto highway has its own dedicated lane and the car just sits there. I have to nudge on the gas to get it going and avoid honking from behind me. Also often it is approaching two laned road and it doesn't always know which lanes are turn-only and which are straight-ok. The data is there, it just doesn't always listen to it. But still loving FSD overall and can't wait for v13!

[@mathewherges397]

I think regulators are more likely to approve a robotaxi than a fundamentally new method of controlling a car. I agree with Chuck on this, there are just too many miles driven with the current tools/methods of controlling the vehicle for them to allow a regular license to be qualified to use a new method. Examples, you need special licenses to operate forklifts, diggers and such in a commercial setting. You can operate these things on your own property but when on public roads or commercial areas you need a certification or a license.

[@frederickstirnkorb3094]

Farzad need to think outside the current box if the cost per mile to the consumer gets down to around a dollar per mile the demand will explode in cities. The big problem will be traffic congestion.

[@aminesaib]

@38:00 I personally believe that in the short term, Tesla will either sell you a car with a steering wheel and pedals, or a Robotaxi version whose sole purpose is to drive you. In the long term, and by long term I mean five to ten years, Tesla won’t want to sell you a car at all. Instead, they’ll remove the concept of car ownership. The cost per mile for a Robotaxi will be so low that you could even take road trips for about what you currently pay for a tank of gas or a charge. As Elon said on AI Day, all those parking lots will eventually become green parks.

[@jasonpanosh9579]

Re HW3, all Tesla needs to do is link my FSD licence to my account and let me assign it to whatever vehicle I choose. That gives me confidence that I will get the value from my investment either when/if they upgrade my computer, or when/if I upgrade my vehicle. And it gives me empowerment because I can do those things on my terms, not because Tesla is doing their end of quarter push and using this as a level "if you upgrade you can we'll let you transfer your FSD licence".

[@oparayev348]

Thank you Chuck! I have been wondering what it might take to handle Active School Zones. The zones in my town that count have the flashing yellows on top and bottom with what looks like a speed zone sign in the middle. There is more words in there though. How do we get map data defined, but that is not vision only. You should not speed through school zones.

[@umsoserious]

It's hilarious watching Farzad rack his brain, trying to figure out "what the hell Tesla is doing". I've been working for Tesla for years, and I have no fucking clue on the cyber cab!😂 Exciting times my friends

[@XRP-O.G]

The stock still being only in the 3’s is mind blowing. Ppl have no idea how lucky they are to still be able to accumulate at such low levels.

[@danfeeney956]

All the issues you guys are concerned with are solvable by increasing the training dataset. The issues I want to see addressed are things that are not trainable because they involve knowledge beyond rules of the road and common knowledge - such as, when picking my daughter up from school don’t go to the front entrance. Go around back, line up by the tennis courts, fifth graders meet here, sixth graders meet by the flagpole… whatever. Dropping her off at the horse farm for volunteering, go under 10 mph in the driveway even though it is perfectly legal and safe to go 25 because the owners demand it so as to not scare the horses. FSD will be superhuman at rules of the road and maneuvering, but you can’t take the steering wheel and pedals away until you solve the thousands of scenarios that the car can not learn from more video clips.

[@SeanLynchXY]

From a human factors perspective, joystick steering and control is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[@richansley898]

The striking literally stopped me from buying my first Tesla

[@slprescott]

Chill mode should not drive 10 MPH over the limit. Chill is for drivers who want more cautious behavior. It’s not for everyone, but it should drive conservatively for those drivers who choose it.

[@ChrisDaubitz]

I did have to get a new driver's license when I got my first hand controls adapted and I have restrictions on my driver's license for hand controls. Restrictions say hand controls, power steering, and automatic transmission.

[@moseschung3220]

A good constrained environment where I think Cybercab will start is Vegas Loop.

[@DRVRLES]

I have a couple areas in NW Indiana without speed limit signs and the car will drop down to 20 mph say then get up to a real sign and go its 30 or 40 mph when I know how everyone drives these roads.

[@roxter299roxter7]

Farzan needs to explain how the joystick would work for a car.

[@stephengordon4081]

Is tesla going to cover insurance if fsd is involved in an accident?

[@jeffg4570]

That’s one of the big difference between ‘supervised’ and ‘unsupervised’ FSD. When it finally gets to ’unsupervised’, then Tesla will handle the insurance.

[@kenschwendemann]

It looks like the go-to function in the summons app has already solved the dropped pen need for end of drive it just, need to be implemented it the navigate command

[@larrystalica4037]

I could see the joystick working. It def takes some time to transition. I look at the surgical robot world. It took time to transition to all visual feedback without and tactile feedback that the surgical robot cannot provide.