Tesla Value Back Over $1 Trillion; BYD On Path to Outsell Nissan, Honda & Ford - Autoline Daily 3933

[@saintkamus14]

Actually, the market didn't care much for the robo taxi event, they sold the news (they dumped the stock). It only started surging after the Q3 financial results.

[@Carguytct]

Exactly, how did autoline get it so wrong.

[@CSHarvey]

Same as usual. it takes 2 weeks for the normies to figure out what they just saw and buy back in.

[@mikedx2706]

The Q3 financial results for Tesla were probably cooked. Look at Chris Norlund's review of them here on KZbin.

[@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102]

@@mikedx2706 Mark Spiegel and others have been making such claims for over 5 years and telling people to short the stock since the company was worth under $30B. Probability is probably not on your side.

[@snookmeister55]

​@@mikedx2706 Yes, and the earth is flat. We know.

[@mitchcollins5840]

Nissan was toast the day they sacked Ghosn.

[@pstoppani]

Tesla stock tanked after the RoboTaxi reveal. It went up later due to quarterly report. You seem to have conflated the two invents.

[@scoty_does]

TSLA was at 250 on election day, its pushing 350 today. It actually up 40% since the election and climbing.

[@snookmeister55]

Yes, new money poured into the stock market, not just TSLA. Many billions came off the sideline. ​@@scoty_does

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@@scoty_doesyup, buy a president and win

[@stvybaby]

Legacy auto still has its head in the sand with the paradigm shift to electrification...still willing to trade market share for short term profits.

[@briannewman6216]

Why is it impossible to lose sales? The California mandate has been on the books for a while. Toyota just chose to ignore it.

[@2cartalkers]

Toyota has the same stance as US automakers had in the 1970's when the Japanese and specially Honda proved it could meet US fuel economy mandates with their CVCC engine. Toyota is still asleep at the wheel. BYD will eat it alive.

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

I had a 75 CVCC. It was the last car that ran on regular (cheaper leaded) through the 79 model year.

[@TeslaRoadtrips]

you and I are the only ones that realize this. china overtook Japan as largest car exporter in 2023

[@michaelvella8511]

Bring BYD here with no tariffs please.........let the market correct it's self..

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Agreed

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Say goodbye to all USA car brands

[@joebloe1401]

NO!

[@mikedx2706]

Legacy USA automakers had better wake up. BYD will soon own the Mexican car and pickup market.

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

VW has a strong showing in Mexico. Almost all their hired rides are tiny VW vans.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@foxtrotwolf6081Yeah, and VW used to have a big part of the Chinese market too. Ooops!

[@boiscooka232]

​@@foxtrotwolf6081looking down BYD isn't save VW or Western brand in Mexico

[@scoty_does]

Why wont Legacy/UAW companies make compelling EV's? Is a question id love to see you answer.

[@Techridr]

Because they don't know how to do it and be profitable. They need a clean slate like Tesla had. Now they are, at best, 5-6 years behind. I love my Tesla, but also love my country. I want Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota etc to succeed. They will have to make a great product and go in huge debt until they reach profitability. Even VW failed with the iD4 after claiming they'd pass Tesla in a couple short years. Nope. Didn't happen. Now VW is forced to close at least one factory.

[@Pernection]

They should have bought the new EV firns

[@MatrixJockey]

They are incompetent and can't make good EVs because they are dinosaurs. EVs require good software and technological innovation. Only Hyundai and Kai are outpacing the rest of the legacy automakers.

[@scoty_does]

@@Techridr I dont know what country you are from but im in the US and Tesla is the most american made car here. Legacy auto use about 30% out of country parts on most of their cars and still charges 50k or more for everything.

[@scoty_does]

@@MatrixJockey Yes, but this channel is a PR mouth piece for Legacy/UAW. I want to hear their perspective on why Legacy/UAW sucks at this.

[@richardhunt4576]

Tesla might meet the mandate 😂

[@rodrigogaya5276]

Thankfully GM makes Hondas EVs! 😂 Def not a problem

[@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102]

Mary lead, and it matters 🤣

[@2cartalkers]

Another informative program -- 👍👍

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

Tesla's competition is coming All over them self 😂

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

How many times have you posted that?

[@skyserf]

Just saw a video about BYD and going into debt. A lot of their new cars are in fields with weeds growing around them.

[@desobrien3827]

Those MG's were 2023 models discounted $8k in Australia...2024 models discounted $5K! People that paid full whack had an instant $8k depreciation...bargain huh! Massive excess stock....We have little to no infrastructure as well...approx 70 cents a KwH on average public charging...

[@TMan786]

Time to start a boycott of menditious Toyota. Always trying to resist Zero Emissions BEVs while trying to push its crappy hybrids.

[@omelborpon3159]

Boycott Toyota and hybrids in general. Hybrids are last-millennium technology; all the energy comes from fossil fuels. There is a much better way, and they are called BEVs.

[@TMan786]

@omelborpon3159 Absolutely. In a way Hybrids are a "worst of both worlds solution". All the complexity f ICE but with the added weight of a BEV. Why buy one drive train when you can buy two right? All those sweet, sweet service charges to look forward to from the stealerships.

[@boostav]

mendacious*

[@TMan786]

@@boostav Apologies for the typo but Toyota drive me mad. They constantly undermine clean air legislation, lobby behind the scenes and push their crappy hybrids to unsuspecting customers. They were once a byword for quality engineering but now they get tangled up in scandals and moan that it's all too difficult. I hope they end up like Blackberry, a lesson in how a serious contender lost everything because they failed to adapt.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@TMan786 I think they are working on EVs, but are a cautious conservative company. That's a good idea when people want reliable vehicles, but when technology moves too fast and you're dragging your feet, all you'll see is your competitor's taillights ahead of you. They might still pull out a compelling design from their years of fooling around. But it's getting late.

[@Rene-uz3eb]

With these profit margins, a little tariff won't make a dent

[@ivaylot9452]

Small correction: Tesla stock fell sharply after the robotaxi event. Investors still do not understand robitaxi and its potential.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Investors still do not understand robitaxi and its potential." that's because what they DO understand is that after 8 years of FSD, it's "potential" continues to be THEORETICAL. to that end, something else "informed" Investors wisely recognize is how Bernie Madoff founded his Penny Stock Brokerage in 1960, but wasn't arrested until December 11, 2008 so that would be 48 years.

[@ivaylot9452]

⁠ fair point and FSD is VERY late. However if you plot the progress on a chart it is more likely to happen rather than not. Comparing Tesla to Berny Madoff shows plain lack of knowledge about the auto industry how hard it is. Production, supply chain and battery technology combined with software is no easy feat. It is easy to denounce what has not been achieved and fail to see what has been accomplished in

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

Maybe the OEMs can get together with BYD to build the next Chevy LUV (Isuzu), Ford Courier (Mazda), or Dodge D50 (Mitsubishi), although Ford already has their Maverick in the budget spot.

[@Vikingj72]

Tesla magically got better as a company because of who was elected. (Conflict of Interest?) The rich get richer.

[@frankcoffey]

There might be "rules" against conflict of interest but the next administration won't enforce any of them. Rules are out for at least the next 4 years and might not even exist by the end.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Stock market runs on feelings, not logic.

[@TMan786]

Yes the rise in share price had nothing to do with Musk's touted new job in Trump's administration. It's more to do with Dems losing the Presidency and a stop to lawfare and federal agencies trying to slow down Musk's various companies. I'm not a fan of Musk's persona but the gov shouldn't ignore his contribution to the EV industry.

[@jarrodlumpkin7152]

@@davidbeppler3032Davey have you submitted your application to join the new Department of Grifting Efficiency?

[@elainebradley8213]

Democrats were energetically trying to crush Tesla. Whatever your politics that was sad.

[@anydaynow01]

Nissan and Honda are joining like Toyota and Subaru did, hopefully there will be some good things coming out of that partnership.

[@jaimeestrada5527]

BYD's debt is 7 Billion USD !!!

[@eddieg6436]

I wonder how Montana fares with the mandate considering the thousands of rubes there in their huge pickups!! 😂

[@ingo_8628]

Toyota is forced to face reality? How can they do that, dont they know how big Toyota is? How can they expect Toyota to do as all the others have to do?

[@davidmenasco5743]

Toyota is gonna have to start equipping their big new jumbo off road ICE SUVs with pontoons and paddles. Look at the videos from Western North Carolina and you'll see what I mean. If we don't stop burning fossil fuels, half the towns in the country will have their turn with catastrophic flooding.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

Yeah PHEVs aren't zero emission

[@michaeljohnson4947]

I'm not sure having a third of your fleet EVs, is really all that commendable. Maybe that's a lot of flattery. Why is it commendable?

[@tesla_tap]

Becuase the smartest people by EVs. More and more people are not fooled by crappy low performance ICE cars that waste energy, cost far more to fuel, have endless maintenance, drip toxic oil everywhere, stink, and encourages middle-east wars over oil.

[@Jaycee604]

Elon did what he had to do to benefit Tesla. We all know that.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Convict Trump has always been clear that his presidencies are for sale to the highest bidders.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Buying a president who hates the environment has nothing to do with Tesla, we all know that.

[@edinetgrunhed6000]

Short seller lost $5Billion against Tesla, with that money they can start make their own car company and start shorting it

[@freeflowtrader]

BYD have no issues staying with the momentum, wondering what’s next Chinese vehicle company that will be just as big as BYD. Li auto have very small segment with bigger family cars, they’re not gambling exposing to risk and territory out side of its comfort zone. The other one is NIO but that company’s boss have spending issues, despite all time high on stock market and investors covered all the innovation cost such as battery swap( I have mixed feeling about battery swap, not sure if it’s good or not, maybe time will tell, it should be design for electric bus rather than car) Bus cannot be late on schedule also main bus stop terminals should be good place to install and swap battery, already cuts the realestate cost, there’s few huge bus terminals with empty space, they can do battery swap in hangar, also its place where they do maintenance anyways it should be in same area. Car….not sure, not very sure. Maybe taxi company main office parking-lot, it’s just easy for administration purposes. for some reason NIO are still not getting balance sheet correct, Tesla phase is already over there’s not so much of exploration to do after 10+ years, Tesla was pumping like no tomorrow for past 10+ years alongside profitable operations with no cost exceeding income for few years now. I have no clue, zeekr? Ehhhh premium EV segment trying to do EV vans…branding issue also understanding issue. Much like ByD. Pickup truck…it’s a working truck but it will not sell too well compare to others.

[@edwarddejong8025]

forcing the market to buy a product they don't want and can't afford is cruel and unusual punishment. This is govt overreach at its worst. Go ahead and offer incentives; but fines and punishment for not following their arbitrary schedule is downright mean!

[@davidmenasco5743]

Yeah, but here's the news: If you look at the videos from Asheville, Roswell and Valencia, you will see the shape of things to come. The human race has one chance to avoid total economic devastation. It requires ending the burning of fossil fuels ASAP. If this is not done, every major economy will collapse under the burden of climate change. It doesn't matter whether a single EV is ever made or sold. The manufacture of engines that burn gasoline or diesel is going to have to stop. Period.

[@snookmeister55]

It could quickly end next year, all incentives, including all FF subdides. I say this only because Musk says it.

[@davidmenasco5743]

@@edwarddejong8025 This is interesting. I've tried twice to reply, and both replies seem to have been suppressed. Presumably by the automatic censorship of the platform, but, possibly not?

[@edwarddejong8025]

@@snookmeister55 but that doesn't stop the CARB (california air resources board), an unelected body that spews regulations, from punishing the car coimpanies, or the EPA. I think Elon would be less inclined to force matters; he is already doing well, and doesn't need coercion; the Tesla cars are reasonably well made and give good value.

[@snookmeister55]

@@edwarddejong8025 It could become a supreme court case. I can't imagine another way to stop CARB in 15 states.

[@garyladyman2642]

Tesla, onwards and upwards 👍

[@TheJ1s]

I know they won't but Tesla can buy one or two of their competitors or buy one of these electric motorcycles businesses. I Stellantis should find a partner to help them with EVs, if Tesla not interested then Hyundai or GM should be looked at.

[@dontelindsey5846]

BYD is probably best

[@freeflowtrader]

Autoline I know schedule are tight and stuff, are you guys able to do some car companies didn’t worked out with cars that failed to meet market expectations. There’s countless new car companies started and most of them will probably fail, maybe there’s few interesting models, maybe there’s few interesting designs and engineering aspects. I did a little gpt, there’s 500 EV manufacturers in China and 120+ EV company still active, very very fascinating. There’s a missing segment in America with micro EV due to highways and stuff but 5k usd for roughly 200km of range 2 seater seems like a perfect Saturday night get-away vehicle. No parking no issue, friends wanted to tag along? Haha 2 seater wife only. 😂 Nobody talked about vinfast? I saw one the other day, looks kinda funny but there’s 1-2 people driving it, in my city at least.

[@MarkMeszarosYNG]

Musk's influence on Trump: A national security mess at best, a global power realignment at worst BAD FOR auto industry Tariffs are BAD

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Trump screwed the farmers with his tariff wars last time. Now he'll screw everyone who buys Chinese goods. Namely, everyone.

[@TheJoncic]

Once again Elon wins.

[@phillyphil1513]

...until he loses.

[@bobbbobb4663]

He certainly hasn’t won his pay package yet

[@snookmeister55]

"If you play, play to win."

[@raymondschembri5042]

@@bobbbobb4663It’s coming soon 😄

[@ashishpatel350]

Thr princess of pump and dump

[@raymondschembri5042]

Shirt it !

[@raymondschembri5042]

Short it!

[@dpharr100]

President Trump's going to throw out all these ridiculous mandates out the window Thank God

[@nerdbikes3841]

Whatever happened to State’s Rights? Why shouldn’t California be able to set their own standards?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Maybe he will bring back high sulfur diesel and leaded gas. "Murica!

[@boostav]

It's a state mandate, he can't do anything about those.

[@CSHarvey]

Which "Mandates" exactly? you mean the States' Rights bans on sale of ICEv next decade? Those 'mandates'? Or do you mean the fraction of a percentage of EVs being purchased by federal agencies, like the new Postal delivery vehicles? Or do you still believe the lie that somehow the Federal Gov't is forcing you to buy an EV, because Trump said so?

[@freddiecarr7602]

@@nerdbikes3841 Because it is a one party state

[@MikeZ32TT]

Good luck limiting what customers can buy. If I cant buy what I want then I just wont buy new. Also who know what trump will do. We are only 6/8 months away will the 2026 cars start to sell.

[@michaelerzuah1105]

All the emission standards is going to affect buyers too. Because effectively, you can’t buy what you want, you only get to pick what is available and by regulations it will all be EVs

[@davidmenasco5743]

Yes, this is by design. Why? Because the effects of global warming are about to get very, very serious. The resulting extreme weather events will either collapse the world economy, or will come close to it. The difference between total collapse, and a near miss, will depend on how quickly we stop burning fossil fuels. Bottom line: The burning is going to have to stop, no matter which kind of toys you prefer to play with.

[@tesla_tap]

Maybe it will wake up the crazies who think ICE is better than EVs. EVs are lower cost to fuel, lower cost to maintain, don't dump toxic oil everywhere, have far better performance, and you can fuel at home. Yes, there are a few situations that ICE might be required today, but that will change too as EVs continue to take over and get even better. Sadly there are plenty of suckers that belive the ICE hype and EV shorters.

[@jimwatchyyc]

You keep looking to the side when reading your notes, move them to be in front of you.

[@frankcoffey]

Woo Hoo!

[@davidgrisco1939]

The land of opportunity is getting back on track! Hopefully those "blues" get over the "election blues."

[@nerdbikes3841]

Please explain how a bunch of Tariffs are going to get the country “back on track” when those Tariffs are going to push prices for everything up by an insane amount and the tax cuts for the wealthy that are coming are going to explode the budget deficit to insane levels never seen before. The middle and lower classes will be paying for those wealthy tax cuts with added User fees and tolls for everything.

[@jermainec2462]

And heading to a dead end track 😅😅 more like the land of dumb asses 😂😂

[@tnickknight]

Tesla the greatest scam ever

[@VinhNguyen-wt2ef]

Another Tesla bear losing its cool and its shirts.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

Tesla isn’t just a car company anymore. Pay attention to Tesla Energy, Full Self Driving, the Optimus humanoid robot, and DOJO, their supercomputer. It’s kind of funny, only the Chinese are copying everything with Tesla. ❤

[@AuralioCabal]

So how much are you under lately?🤔...🤣

[@Shagwyre]

Buddy watches Legacy media 😂

[@TheCoolOwen]

@@Beatles4Sale.no one wants self driving taxis and killer robots. Keep smoking the Ketamine.

[@TimBorg]

boycott USA AND ALL ELON MUSK BRANDS boycott USA AND ALL ELON MUSK BRANDS

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

😂😂😂 Fact : Tesla model Y was the Best selling carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 ‼️🎉🏆🏆🥇

[@robertboucher]

Yer a joke

[@dalazyone109]

Good Luck on your journey , you might need some time alone.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Now that Starlink is the backbone of the internet....you will no longer be using it?

[@VinhNguyen-wt2ef]

Tesla bears and progressives going mental over Trump's landslide win.

[@Agent77X]

Tesla stock will break $1K before end of the 2025 year! Model 2, FSD, Robotaxi and beginning of Optimus 4.0 humanoid robot to be announced to be released!

[@bobbbobb4663]

All promised vaporware but keep trying to pump

[@Custo911]

lol you are as bad as Mr Blobb here. This chest beating is counterproductive until they actually deliver the next groundbreaking product.

[@raymondschembri5042]

@@bobbbobb4663. Retired as a millionaire thanks to TSLA😊

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@Custo911 Hi Busto. Congrats on seeing the fraud from South Africa.

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

The Trump Effect!

[@davedyer3654]

Toyota, total losers atm

[@donyakusa9187]

Again, vaporware. Human beings are too feeble minded to understand this game. Tesla’s 1T valuation is vaporware. Ultimately, reality will sink in when the rubber meets the road. You have to sell cars, and EVs are not selling now and they won’t be selling anytime soon.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

They will if Detroit makes some good ones. But they refuse or are incapable. "sync in"? You have such a way with words.

[@Carguytct]

You are right and earth is flat. 🤫

[@donyakusa9187]

@ - Thanks for pointing out my typo. It’s not up Tesla or GM or any other manufacturers, it’s up to the consumers. You can build the best EV in the world, but if the value proposition is not there no one will buy it.

[@donyakusa9187]

@@Carguytct - Actually, I’m an adept of science and it’s for that reason I know vaporware when I see it. I’m not some sheep who follows blindly because it’s the trend of the day. Without government subsidies the entire EV industry would have collapsed already. And no, I don’t believe the earth is flat. Unlike a majority of people, I’m capable of critical thinking and don’t make assumptions about others because they disagree with me.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@donyakusa9187 It IS up to the manufacturers. They need to sell an electric Corolla, or Focus, or 200 that isn't crap. We don't need the "best" EV, we need something cheap to buy and run to get to work, without a lot of cameras, computers, sunroofs, and doodads. We can't buy them if they don't build them.

[@Nathan-o8i]

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