Can You Own A Tesla Without A Home Charger?

[@TeslaJoy]

*FYI* Because there are only 3 Tesla (plus 1 Leaf) in the entire 530-unit community, our HOA is not willing to install a public charger (demand is not high enough to turn a profit). Also, some units (like ours) only have 1 deeded parking vs. 2, so either my husband or I would have to fight others for the second parking spot at non-deeded spaces. Since parking spaces are scarce, it does not make sense for HOA to designate an EV spot taking away more parking. That will cause an uproar among residents and risking our cars getting keyed from unhappy people.

[@karenbleifer6409]

Joy, this is great information. I am the president of my HOA and we installed 6 level 2 chargers in 2013 when we had maybe 4 EV's in our 480 unit complex in LA. Now we have over 50 Tesla EV's here and one Volt, so it was a good thing we did. Your HOA really should consider installing chargers there even though they are not obligated, as ICE vehicles get phased out, they will feel the pressure. I am happy to show you where and how we did it at my HOA. We are in Century City across from the old Century City Hospital location. I also happen to have a Model 3, which I only purchased last year, but we have almost paid ourselves back on our initial cost ~$45,000 for the 6 chargers and installation. We use SemaConnect level 2 chargers and they work great. Our parking is pretty scarce too, but we figured out a way, I am sure you could too. Let me know if you want to check it out or if I can help in anyway. Everyone in your HOA will thank you!

[@jacquescristobal6639]

@@karenbleifer6409 Bravo!!! From France. 😀

[@TeslaJoy]

Karen Bleifer Hi Karen, thank you so much for sharing this. I wish I lived in your community! 😊 Unfortunately our HOA board are older residents (retired) and they are clueless about EVs. They don’t want to spend the extra $ installing public chargers when they said “You can install it at your spot.” Hopefully as time goes on and more people get EVs in our community (and with younger board members elected), the tides will change.

[@jacquescristobal6639]

Old and very stubborned people on my side too.

[@karenbleifer6409]

@@TeslaJoy I feel your pain, your association will have to get with the times sooner than later because it is the future of transportation. I can honestly say that it has increased our property values and makes our HOA much more desirable than others in the area as we were the first in LA to install and make EV charging available. When choosing where to buy or rent, people tend to gravitate toward the more forward thinking associations. Not to mention of course, that Tesla people are a cool and unique group of people that would enhance any community.

[@TeslaRoger]

I live in apartment. I just asked my landlord if he would let me install one if I paid for it. It cost me $1k and had him install a separate meter so I can keep track of how much I use. I get 46miles / hour.

[@TeslaJoy]

Ahhhh so glad you can install a charger at your apartment!

[@haywoodstheman]

What kind of apartment? Do you park right in front of your place? Did you install the wall charger on the building?

[@casperschultzhansen1054]

Thats smart

[@TeslaRoger]

@@haywoodstheman Apartment above a retail store. Installed high power wall charger on side of building.

[@raychill411]

Have you lived in that apartment for a long time and plan on living there a lot longer? Has the $1K been worth it overall?

[@JoeJ94611]

I enjoyed hearing her overcoming the obstacle of not having a charger at home. Very intelligent gal.

[@TeslaJoy]

JoeJ94611 Thank you!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you Mark!

[@juvenilesiren6918]

Really love what you are doing joy! I’m still a teenager, so there is no chance I’m getting a Tesla anytime soon 😂 but videos like this make me feel like in some strange way I do own one! Keep up the great work! It really helps to inspire people and normalise EVs.

[@TeslaJoy]

JuvenileSiren 69 haha! Thank you! Hope you can get your own Tesla when you’re older! Cheers.

[@jutperry]

THANK YOU for making this video and for representing fellow Tesla owners who live/own condos! I just purchased a model Y and have gotten so much negative feedback from people who think that you shouldn’t even consider an EV if you don’t live in a house and have home charging. I just clicked subscribe. 😊

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you!!! Keep on busting the myth! 🤜🤛

[@miss_elenn6160]

Sameeeee!

[@lmb4876]

Hi Joy..I just ordered the refresh 2024 Model 3.. live in an older condo building in Florida with not outlets in site..Now I will be driving 20 miles to A Tesla Super charging station to charge BUT, I am retired so I have a time to drive and charge..Thank-you for this video…to know that I am not alone

[@TeslaJoy]

Congrats on your new Tesla! You’re gonna love it!

[@randyk7699]

This is the video someone led me to see if you can live without a home charger!!!!!! I needed this so bad!

[@ceribeiro62]

actually a home owner doesn't "need" to install a charger, have a washer /dryer outlet is all you need for a better charging

[@CallMeFil]

Length of the cord?

[@ceribeiro62]

@@CallMeFil can u rephrase your question in a way i understand?

[@Mxi.]

If you are the homeowner it does make sense. You have either choice. If you’re a renter you need permission since a permit is needed for either a NEMA 14-50 or wall charger.

[@TexasLocalProduce]

You are soooo inspiring!!! You are also a great example of when someone really wants something, never give up, never surrender! Most of us would be too scarced to own an EV without a home Charger. You are paving the way for all the rest of us. Thank You, and Kudos!!

[@TeslaJoy]

Ha! Thanks! Actually I decided to get a Tesla because of its expansive Supercharging network. You can watch this video here for background info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKWngpuCfZ1jotE

[@HaydenCMH]

Short Answer (from me): Absolutely! I am similar to Joy in the fact that I only charge off of Tesla Superchargers, I don't own a home charger. Going off to College soon so installing a charger at home would be a waste in two months.

[@TeslaJoy]

Virus_City Thank you for sharing!

[@TeslaJoy]

@artietrieu4271 not at all! I have a video a few weeks ago that talks about how I’ve been keeping my battery healthy with near 100% supercharging. Look it up on the channel.

[@TeslaJoy]

@artietrieu4271 You’re welcome! That’s why I started the channel!

[@1jdmcrx04]

I’ve had my P85D with no home charging for almost 1 year. I commute about 100 miles per day round trip. I am however lucky enough to have 2 wall chargers at my work 40A charging each charger.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice!

[@chanchiem]

What do you do when the chargers are being used?

[@1jdmcrx04]

Jeffery Saeteurn now on the second year and have yet to have an issue. We still have 2 Tesla wall chargers at work with 3 Tesla’s (1 - P100D, 1 - P85D and 1 - model 3) we all share the chargers with no issues. My P85D is usually done charging by lunch on most days.

[@mlevesque33]

I live in an appartment with only a 110v plug to charge my Model 3. It's super slow but it's possible. There is a supercharger location about 15 minutes away from where I live when I need it.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for sharing!

[@ItalianStallionTV]

montreal quebec !

[@katieadams5860]

Homes are super expensive these days, even out in an affordable area like Pheonix AZ, you need at least $100k to put down on a house to get a reasonable mortgage payment, then throw in maintenance, and property taxes, and it adds up

[@gumerzambrano]

Why do you need 100k down when homes are much cheaper? For a 300k AZ home you only need 60k down

[@techyjames1945]

While I have home charging, I definitely don’t see that ability as a requirement to have own a Tesla. I had my car for a month before I got home charging installed. Before then I had easy access to a Supercharger and Destination charging areas I could charge as well. With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging.

[@johnp.weiksnar6861]

> With Electrify America push, there is a entire new set of options for charging outside home charging. James, can you clarify? EA stations typically offer CCS and CHAdeMO fast DC charging . . . unfortunately Model 3 can't use either in North America, yet (Model S and X can use an optional CHAdeMO adapter for ~$600). The expense of an eventual CCS adapter plus the high cost of their charging could pay for a LOT of Supercharging.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

I agree that it is not a reqirement to have a charger at home, but I woud argue it is essential to have a convenient charging option for your day to day driving. Having to go somewhere and wait while the car is changing is not convenient. Having an option do at least 90% of your charging while parked, I believe is important. Depending on situation, different options are preferable: at home or at work, fairly slow charging is usually enoug. Shorter time activities, fast AC or even rapid DC can be the prefered option.

[@Eagles_Eye]

i wont have money to buy a tesla EVER. but, i just chekked and there seems to be a 11kw charger only 1km away from where i live. the dream lives on!

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice! If you keep saving you can get one. It starts at $35K.

[@Eagles_Eye]

@@TeslaJoy unfortunatly i don't live in america, here the cheapest one is 49k euros ( 57k dollars) pre tax ( tax is around 21%) even if i'd do a financial lease and pay 15k upfront, i'd still pay around 250 ( ex taxes) per month and have a rest worth of 16k but if i wanted a model 3 and was able to afford it i'd go for the longer range model. unfortunatly with my wages and expanses i will not be able to make that kind of purchase ( it wouldn't be financially a good decision )

[@darcyk63]

I asked my company to install a NEMA 1450, they agreed to help be Greener, allows me to charge while at my office during the day. You may want to ask if you have a place that could work, they may be happy to help.

[@TeslaJoy]

Darcy Kline My company is a small office situated in a little strip mall. We do stacked parking with another business in a tiny little parking lot that we share, so it’s not possible for our landlord to install chargers. This is why I’ve been using the one by work as stated in this video.

[@IAmSpartacus007]

Hello from London! Thanks for the great video! Hoping to get a model 3 soon, and not having a home charger was concerning me. But knowing it can be done has really put my mind at ease 😊

[@TeslaJoy]

Hello! London has lamppost chargers on the streets, don’t they? 😊

[@Theyrn]

I also own a Tesla Model 3 and live in southern California. I have owned my Tesla since February and I have to say, charging has become a unique part of my life. I do have a Tesla charger installed in my home garage but I am a government contractor living out of hotels most of the time. I use the Tesla super chargers as a means of a last resort. They cost much more than other chargers even thought the charging times are much faster, (and the nearest ones are 16 miles away). I have adapted my daily schedule to work around the charging options. For instance, one location had Charge Point on site but I could only charge a maximum of 4 hours (driving 120 miles per day) and while appreciated it was also inconvenient, they had a wait list. If you got on the wait list after 7:30 AM you might not get your turn. Looking for better solutions I found that if you were close enough to a Metro Station with EV connect, you could charge as long as you needed on a first come first serve basis. Remaining range and charging options are certainly a source of stress, but once you figure out your options it becomes a matter of routine. There is a charger near my gym (charge point) and I've found that a good workout can last two hours and provide 88 miles of range. So as they say, where there is a will, there is a way.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice! I agree with you that owning a Tesla or EV definitely causes lifestyle and routine change when it comes to charging. The ChargePoint I use by work also has a waitlist. I often have to get on it before I leave the house or else I won’t be able to get in line in time before I leave the office.

[@slacayo]

Joy....great video. I noticed you live in CC. I know that building because my family and I lived next door in the other complex. Keep up the good information. Subscribed!

[@TeslaJoy]

Sergio L Hey neighbor!!! Hopefully we will run into each other soon! What color is your Tesla?

[@RicardoTeixeira1993]

In Europe some gas stations also have charging stations for electric vehicles 🚗 . Nice video I love to watch your videos ♥️

[@TeslaJoy]

Ricardo Teixeira Thank you!

[@koalafudge]

I'm in a similar situation and this was exactly the information I've been looking for! Thank you! Subscribed! =)

[@TeslaJoy]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@yannl.3530]

Same problem here in Paris, i own a condo for it’s price i can buy a big house elsewhere in France. I don’t have my own parking so charging is challenging but own a M3 and charging is less a problem than i thought. Thanks for this video

[@TeslaJoy]

Yann Landot Merci Yann!

[@jamesyoung8797]

One of the benefits of an EV is the convenience of a full charge every morning before a busy day, and possibly save money by charging off peak, mostly 12 am to 6 am. This may explain why people think charge at own garage is a must.

[@TeslaJoy]

James Young But clearly there are places where charging at home is impossible, as I stated in this video.

[@jamesyoung8797]

@@TeslaJoy Understood Joy, I was trying to answer your question, why so many people think one needs to be able to charge at own garage. Life is hectic enough, people want less inconveniences, not more, even if just a little more. Being able to charge overnight at home makes it more convenient than owning an ICE, without that option it is the opposite, less convenient than having an ICE. That is a big deal to many. BTW, I suspect the other Model 3 owner not installing a charger is due to security concern. A $500 charger in common area is an easy target, won't last long.

[@Walterp60]

I live in a flat in London. There is unallocated parking and I had a charger installed (with permission). But I have so much trouble from other residents that when I get my Model 3 I am thinking of not upgrading it but using public charge stations instead. Saving cost of upgrade. Also some of public chargers cost less than home electricity charges.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for your feedback. Hopefully as more people switch to EVs this problem will go away. Right now people aren’t educated about Tesla or EV.

[@normanlam]

Thank you so much for the video! I’m also in the same situation living in the Los Angeles area. I was interested in getting a Tesla, but not being able to install an EV charger at home deterred my plan. Obviously the ideal situation is to be able to charge at home, but I figured there got to be some Tesla drivers that are not able to do so. After some research, sure enough there are plenty of people who have to rely on chargers outside of their home. There’s a Tesla supercharger about 10 mins from my house, so I decided to get the Model 3 LR. Hopefully it will arrive by end of this month! I’ve watched a bunch more of your videos. Very informative! You’ve gained a new subscriber!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you Norman! I’m so excited for you! I can tell you that with 2.5 years of Tesla ownership, I still don’t have a home charger and I still have no problem charging my Model 3 at all. See you around!

[@hattijoe2]

This is so good to know. I just ordered the model y and I was concerned about how I would charge or if it was possible to own a Tesla without a home charger. I own my home but wanted to wait a few months before installing one. You pretty much answered all my questions and concerns. Thank you so much for this video😁

[@TeslaJoy]

Awesome! I’m so glad this video helped. Enjoy your Model Y!

[@krumshamim]

I live in Chicago. It’s harder here to have Tesla without a charger in a convenient location installed where you park like work or home (if you live in a place with a garage with a charger) because in the winter the battery isn’t as efficient and you get way less range. Especially those days when it’s minus 0 it’s a nightmare man. Besides that it’s a really great experience owning a Tesla.

[@zebratroopfan6695]

Great video and good information. Next car will be a Tesla. Midlife crisis cybertruck or the 3. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@jeep128]

My dad i think you did Name a few and thanks for the name of the free one

[@christshandmaiden]

I don't even have a tesla! I love watching you sis! God keeps gracing you! Love you

[@TeslaJoy]

Ha! Love you sis!

[@catshepherd3102]

How about building a secured lock box and installing a solar panel and generator to charge at your space?

[@TeslaJoy]

HOA violation.

[@billligon4005]

Have you considered ‘renting’ a covered garage parking space installing with permission to install a charging station, which will increase the value of their unit.

[@TeslaJoy]

There are no spaces left. Everything is deeded to perspective home owners.

[@kellydavis4330]

We have a 2020 bolt and our condo building won't allow us to install chargers due to aged infrastructure. We charge once a week at the fast charger at Walmart and that gets us through the rest of the week.

[@codemonkey2k5]

I have a Model 3 and live in a condo (Northern California) and honestly it's not a big deal. I can and occasionally do plug my car in to 110v via a plug in my storage unit, but there is free charging everywhere around me. It's just not an issue at all. Do you freak out that you don't have a gas pump at your house? :)

[@TeslaJoy]

Right?! That's what I've been telling people when they told me "You shouldn't buy a Tesla or EV if you can't charge at home." I said "You didn't have a gas pump in your garage before when you had ICE, so how did you survive?"

[@sergedesnoyers2222]

An amazing video again Joy. You are lucky to live in California but if you were living in Quebec Canada with are very cold winter you would need a home charger to heat up you car in the morning when the temperature drop to -20C (-5F) and have enough energy to commute your day. That is why also in Quebec people living in condo do not by EV. But a new law was issued in last March that all new condo built must prevent to have opportunities for installation of Charger or the permit for the construction will not be issued because as you probably know Quebec is a ZEV province

[@TeslaJoy]

Serge Desnoyers Yes the cold weather definitely reduces battery SOC greatly and you will have to charge more frequently.

[@jimacep5089]

Not sure where you live in Quebec but in Montreal, winter days and evenings can go under -30C (-22F) so not sure how an EV will start up in the morning under these conditions if parked outside and not plugged in. Certain winter days, I've required a battery boost from CAA/AAA to get my gasoline car started I've been considering a Tesla 3 especially since the federal government implemented the $5k discount. Added to the Quebec $8k discount gives a total of $13k discount on a $55k model Tesla 3 standard range plus. However, not being able to charge it at home (I live in an apartment style condo) and the Quebec winters has given me some hesitation. I'm not worried about the reduced range compared to my gas car since going to/from work each day is only 50km (31 miles) total so in a week would be only 250km. A standard range plus model Tesla 3 is around 380km range so I would be able to charge it on the weekend fully or to 90% to repeat the process the following week. There is also a 150km (93 miles) Tesla 3 but I don't really see anyone purchasing this and is just Tesla's way of qualifying for the federal government's $5k rebate discount.

[@sergedesnoyers2222]

Jim AP I live in Montréal and I have my Tesla M3 Long range since June 2018 so I past the worst last winter we have with my Tesla sleeping outside all the time. And I can tell you that at -30C it start immediately but no regen - battery to cold but the car get warm in about 5 min with seat heater on and heater of the car on also but you reduced the range of the car. So it is better to have the Tesla plugin to warmup before living home. So no problem with winter

[@mg19cal]

I don't live in L.A. but I travel there a lot. I have a plug-in hybrid so I'm always on the lookout for juice (even though gas-only I still get 500 miles range on a full tank). I use EvGO and ChargePoint mostly. I use Volta when they are available since they are scarce/sparse with parking spots/slots. The app will tell you they're open and when you get there the spot is taken. Also, Blink is another one I use, they don't charge super fast but they're usually always available. There are some parking garages that have free charging if you can find them on the PlugShare app. I have found a couple of them on there. It sucks to hear you can't charge at home. My plug-in maxes out at 22 miles EV-only and I charge on a 110v at home, only takes a few hours to charge. It covers my 11 mile round trip commute to work. Obviously with a Tesla I'd need more juice capability but I'll cross that bridge once I make my purchase 😁 also, ChargeHub and EVGateway are some other charging station finding apps

[@Mr08fedex]

I too live in a condo with no charging. I have underground parking, but the meters are too far away from my parking spot. I rely on public charging down the street, the super charger network, and my 110 outlet at work. I live in Raleigh-Durham. Great Video!

[@TeslaJoy]

08micev Fantastic! Thank you for sharing!

[@kwameamichel7770]

Thank you for sharing your experience. It was very helpful

[@BonanzaPilot]

just to the right of your parking spot there looks to be a 110 power box. You don't need a $500 charger, I simple 110v plug would make a world of a difference. I have a friend that lives in a condo complex and he was going to a fast charger once a week to charge his bolt. I walked around with him and two parking spaces over there was a 110 plug. Just asked the guy to swap places. Now he gets 50 miles a night.

[@TeslaJoy]

Good observation. Unfortunately that belongs to the HOA so I can't connect to it because it will incur costs to them. Also that box is enclosed with no outlet, so there's no way you can plug in.

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@TeslaJoy I would ask if you could add a submeter and outlet to that box ($100)and include the cost of the electricity with your HOA assessments. Your total cost would be the meter and whatever the HOA says electricity costs. Very simple solution, you can afford, and you will get 40-50 miles every night.

[@TeslaJoy]

@@BonanzaPilot I did and they said no. They don't want this getting messy. They want the charger & meter to be completely separate from HOA meter and use my own meter which is way too far as you saw in video.

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@TeslaJoy asking for a submeter and 110v outlet is very clean and simple. Doesn't sound like they are being reasonable. They are required to be reasonable by law. Civil Code § 4745

[@TeslaJoy]

@@BonanzaPilot Like I mentioned, that outlet is not open. It's completely shut close, so they will not temper their property to let me plug in, period. That's the HOA rule. Also, they allow owners to install chargers at their space, as long as it's completely separate from HOA meter, which is very reasonable. Additionally, by using that HOA meter, I'm going into Common Area and I will have to enter into a licensing agreement with them. It's way too complicated and not worth the time.

[@franzfms86]

Watching again some random vlogs of yours.

[@ulfcihak8609]

very interesting for me to learn the situation in US cities, and really enjoyable to watch your videos. Here in Germany, town houses are very popular for small families in the suburbs, and the houses in the middle have their garages often seperated in a garage court in common property of all owners. Often those garages have no electricity installed. When you want to electrify your garage, you have to obtain the approval of all owners even if you are willing to pay for your installation and have your own electric meter - and often one or the other owner will not approve for fear of some follow-up costs.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you so much for sharing. It's very interesting to see how other countries are dealing with EV charging challenges in multi-unit housing situation.

[@danieligray]

Thank you for this video and for keeping it 💯 and sincere. Great video!

[@SkyusaNguyen]

Very nice 👍. Thanks for sharing your videos about Tesla experiences with us 🙏.

[@TheResistorNetwork]

Great video! I'm glad that people are willing to go to great lengths to drive their Tesla!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you! If there's a will, there's a way!

[@RicViperskylogs]

Why not

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

About conversion from gas station to charging stations. In Norway, there is kind of a transition, along highway routs, they are getting more likely to be called "service stations", because they offer multiple services: refueling for ICE, diner/fastfood, restrooms, convenience store, and increasingly also rapid charging. I believe rapid charging is most important along the main routes. Tose who can have a home charger should, and as there come more EVs, I believe public slow shargers should have a fair payment, to make it available to those who needs it. I believe free charging is a nice idea, but it easily gets crowded by people who don't need to charge, but they just wants to charge for free.

[@glenn.coco.realestate]

I'm in the same boat. Condo owner and my space is like 30-40 feet from my breaker box. 2000-3500 to install the charger. So far I love my car and mostly superchage. No biggie. TM3 👏🏼🙌🏼 best car ever!!!

[@TeslaJoy]

Glenn Coco 🤜🤛

[@forCHRISTJESUS14]

3:27 The optical image stabilization of your camera is insane. Makes your shots that much more immersive and professional. Great buy!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thanks Phillip! Glad you noticed! It’s actually a wide angle clip on lens to my iPhone XS teamed up with a $99 gimbal. 😊

[@forCHRISTJESUS14]

@@TeslaJoy 😯😯 Impressive!

[@e2e4au]

You are awesome and I so like your videos - keep it going !!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you so much!

[@lexresmark]

I’m high key scared. Just bought a long range model 3 Tesla and I have no home or work charger..and I commute 500 miles per week

[@TeslaJoy]

Are there superchargers along the 500miles route?

[@honeniheixiu8119]

I’ve cried all day on my losing Tesla stocks until I saw your newly uploaded vid, you made my day thank you!

[@TeslaJoy]

HoneNi Heixiu Haha! Don’t worry about the stock. It goes up and down. I just bought more shares too. 😉

[@honeniheixiu8119]

Tesla Joy I probably should buy more too, it takes a lot of faith and determination when it’s falling like this.

[@southbaycommuter]

Joy, yours is a very common problem in Nor Cal Bay Area as well. In fact, from what I have seen personally, and even on Reddit, a significant percentage of Model 3 buyers either rent, or own a home where installing a L2 charging station isn't worth it. That being said, fast charging long term won't degrade your battery pack as much as people think. However, if I were in your situation, I would try slower L2 charging whenever it was practicable, to maintain battery health.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thanks for your comment Frank. What’s great about Tesla is their BMS is unmatched in EV industry right now. They are doing everything they can to preserve health of battery during supercharging like pre-heating battery en route to Supercharger and not dumping all high current at once but do a ramp up/peak/ramp down trickle charge to ensure battery isn’t damaged.

[@frede3921]

Great video I love in LA too and I totally understand I’m lucky my condo comes with free ev charging 👍🏾

[@travisr70]

Always great info joy!

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you Travis!

[@mikeslemonade]

Thanks you changed my mind on my plan to get a model Y. I can go on a run while it charges. I do Uber and lyft so I can just go around charging for 5-15 minutes at a time while I wait for the next ride.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice!

[@Ryooken]

Here is the deal, you can charge just like you do with a gas car. You go and charge it once per week. Those of us that have town homes without a charger and it's not a problem.

[@TeslaJoy]

Ryooken Exactly! Before the city installed those ChargePoint stations, I just went supercharging once a week like I went to a gas station. The only downside with that now is there are a boat load of Tesla in LA and Supercharger wait time is 15-20 minutes before a stall is open for you to pull in and charge. Even just now I came back from a Supercharger during lunch and I waited 10 minutes for a stall to open. It’s bananas. You can check out Supercharger craziness in my video from last week.

[@ingramjones9296]

@@TeslaJoy This is a good and bad thing for sure. It's only a matter of time before this demand will cause a supply boom in superchargers. Can you imagine what it was like being a first car driver, having to navigate horses on the road then trying to find a gas station? Then think about the car boom around the time when there weren't enough gas stations. All the naysayers will be proven wrong.

[@randyk7699]

We cant install them! I want one! Thank you for this vid. Thanks you!

[@wildflower462]

You’re right...it’s not cost effective to get a charger installed where you live...that’s just too crazy for that amount. In my area...or rather not in my area there are 2 supercharger stations but they’re miles away from where I live...such a bummer. I could have the cord run from one room on my main level to my garage but that would be a pain in the you now what AND it would take forever to charge. I’ll just wait until I move and then have an electrician wire my garage.

[@TexasLocalProduce]

Here's an idea. Forget the garage. Bypass the reveried parking spaces. Walk around outside the property to where there is a patch of grass. Create a space (that no one is fighting for), place Charging stations there. Get the other EV owners to run with you and replace the board. Not forever, just long enough to vote for the Charging station installations. Hopefully you will find a place where non-residents will see and come pay to charge there as well. As the older Tennant's get older and hopefully move into nursing homes, younger ones that are attracted by the existing Charging Stations will move in.

[@TeslaJoy]

Unfortunately that won’t work. All spaces outside property are designated curbside parking by city on a very busy blvd because there are commercial buildings across the street along the blvd (like eBay, Magento, etc.). In LA real estate is precious and every inch is claimed. We don’t have space.

This is good reassurance. I will take my time before installing one. Also, whenever I am running low on charge, I can charge at a nearby charging location before coming home.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for sharing your experience!

[@kunaloswal]

Hi Joy amazing video. I like all your videos, as those are more practical. This is really very helpful. I live in Boston in an apartment on rent and was looking to buy Tesla Model 3 SR+. However was not sure how would i charge car when i don't have EV chargers in the community. Any other suggestions that you can share from Boston perspective will be helpful.

[@cphu72]

I'm a new subscriber and future Tesla owner. Love all your contents about Tesla. Regarding not having a charger at home, it's not a problem. If I recall, ICE vehicles owners, they don't have a gas station home either. They still have to go to the gas station to refill. The only difference beside money, is time. Tesla owners just need more time to recharge but save so much more money.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for subscribing Colin! You totally nailed this! Tesla is always working on ways to reduce supercharging time so in the future supercharging will take the same amount of time as filling up at a gas station. But of course ideally, it would be great that everyone can just charge at home. 😊

[@wp2861]

Hi Joy! Nice video! I just subscribed and thumbs up! May I ask 1) if you see any battery degradation after charging solely on the super chargers and third-party chargers? 2) If you worry that the protruding part of the charger might get damaged by traffic on the street as it is located on the left side of the car? Thank you very much!

[@TeslaJoy]

Hey thanks for subscribing! To answer your questions 1) yes but it’s very little so I’m not even worried. 2) not at all! 😊

[@cmcleong]

Have you heard of Orange chargers? These are made for multi-unit buildings. I’d love my HOA to work with me and install these.

[@TeslaJoy]

Not sure if they are listed as approved chargers with SCE with all the functions we need.

[@Diamondbeach]

I’m in the same dilemma. Also live in LA and I’ve been wanting a Telsa but I read some many mix infor. Some say supercharging is bad the battery do u think that is true? Pls share ur experience. Have you noticed a difference in the battery? I know your car is pretty new but just want to know what your thoughts are w super charging.

[@TeslaJoy]

Hi, you will be totally fine. Please check out my playlist labeled “battery” for more info on supercharging. I also have yearly review videos where I share battery health each year. My car is 5 years old already. Hope it helps!

[@144Donn]

Thx..I have thought about it and figured a similar scenario here in NJ. To super charge every two weeks or so..but eventually, apartments will have to equip each spot with a charge point.

[@TeslaJoy]

👏👏👏

[@oritomov]

I'm from Bulgaria. I rent a small apartment, park on the street second hand Tesla Model S and relay on public charging spots.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for sharing! I'm always really interested to find out how people around the world are charging their Tesla.

[@KrustyKlown]

Plenty of SuperChargers in CA, but if one mostly SuperCharges .. you loose the whole energy cost savings of driving an EV, when comparing to most pure hybrids that get 45-50mpg .. since SuperCharger rates are 2 to 3X the cost of day time electric rates. Home charging at reduced night rates, does yield a nice cost save over gas.

[@TeslaJoy]

BigCooter.com Yes, but you forgot that hybrid spends way more on maintenance than Tesla. In the end, Tesla cost of ownership is lower than hybrids due to that near zero maintenance factor.

[@KrustyKlown]

@Scott Luther True ...but most of the CA Tesla owners lease, so they don't give a crap about the car's battery.

[@TeslaJoy]

Actually not true. Model 3 battery is way more advanced than Model S or Model X (or any other EVs out there right now). As long as you are not charging frequently to 100% and supercharge everyday (which 99% Model 3 owners don't do), you are totally fine.

[@derrickjones2998]

Hey Joy, always love seeing your content!! 🙂

[@TeslaJoy]

Derrick Jones Thank you Derrick! 😊

[@derrickjones2998]

@@TeslaJoy You're welcome!

[@dppr9084]

Thanks Joy really informative

[@ghost70]

Should come to UK then my town has 5 charge posts that 5 single post's and they are all 3&7 kw outlets. EV not an option for me yet as council states not interested in upgrading or instaling new posts

[@tomewatson]

Thank You. I have been looking for videos on this topic.

[@TeslaJoy]

So glad this helped!

[@Dannyar10]

Is it doable? Sure. Is it something most people would wanna deal with? No. Especially in California where there are constant lines at Superchargers, time is money and I don't have time to wait 20 min in line and another 40-50 min to charge multiple times a week.

[@TeslaJoy]

By your theory, Tesla won’t be able to move forward with their mission, and the Model 3 shouldn’t be adopted by the masses. The point isn’t the waiting time but for EV Charging infrastructure to become mature and robust, and battery technology to advance. Not everyone in the world lives in homes with garages. To assume that you MUST live in that environment before you should buy an EV is highly myopic.

[@Dannyar10]

@@TeslaJoy you don't have to live somewhere with a garage. But it's very rare to live somewhere including a place like yours where you can't even install an outlet in your parking spot. Till the infrastructure expands and batteries get better, those in a situation like yours should avoid one till said developments come around. It's just not viable to go through all the work you do just to charge your car.

[@TeslaJoy]

My living situation isn’t rare. It is very common all around the world. I suggest that you travel around and ask people, and you will find out. I’ve visited Tesla stores in Japan, Taiwan, and London so far, and the majority of people living in those big metropolitan cities cannot install home chargers. Again, you are being myopic with your stance and assume everyone must be like you in order to own an EV which couldn’t be farther from the truth.

[@jli213]

The cost in the video makes my $10k quote to install in my building's garage look like a good deal. I am even the HOA board president and realistically would not approve spending HOA funds that benefit only a limited number of homeowners. I've been relying on public L2 chargers with minimal issues, but it is becoming more difficult to find availability as EV become more popular in LA. Eventually, I may bite the bullet and pay for my EVSE installation for convenience purposes, if I can find a slightly less expensive electrician.

[@jeep128]

Thanks for that information I live in expensive California myself and can't afford to put a charging unit in my place as well besides supercharging what other levels can I look for that won't give me that fast charge more of a slow charge any charging station names thanks

[@TeslaJoy]

Level 2 destination charging.

[@salemazzam6502]

Well someone here in my country who don't have parking space at all, did buy a very long cable and made it from his apartment to the street and install a plug there into the tree next to the street, to charge his car using the standard 3 pin cable that came with the car. It's that safe but it possible and cheap.

[@TeslaJoy]

Sal It’s good that he can do that, but I wonder if he is creating safety hazard for people tripping over the cord? You can’t do that here in the States.

[@salemazzam6502]

@@TeslaJoy no the cord goes obove the street (high in the air to the tree then goes down) from his apartment. you cant hit or step into the cord if you walk there :) i have pictures but i cant post them here

[@ulfcihak8609]

@@salemazzam6502 but nevertheless Sal, I think in Germany it would not be allowed for safety's sake. Here you have to dig your electric wires into the ground

[@salemazzam6502]

@@ulfcihak8609 yes it's not safe and shouldn't done it but when there's no choice so he have to, as there's no charging station for him to go to.

[@ChefCrash1]

Very informative, thanks.

[@kenbob1071]

I wonder if they'll ever have a system for apartment dwellers where you can charge up a portable battery in your home/parking lot and then wheel it over to your car at night and plug it in to charge the main battery for a few extra miles range (like a portable charger for a phone).

[@TeslaJoy]

Ken Bob That’s the idea I’ve been pitching to AAA! Mobile charging units.

[@Stupranos]

Surprisingly Houston’s very scarce in super challenging stations. There’s only about three or four and about 30-40mins from where I live. However they in ideal locations where the main loads are leaving town. Luckily though I noticed a new location is being constructed about 20mins from me and is in a area I often go to. Yet no Tesla purchase plans anytime soon.

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you for sharing!

[@jennywoodyoga1689]

Very Interesting. I now have a Tesla, and I would love my HOA to work with me, but there are a bunch of challenges to find the right constructions and cost. Thankfully, there are more and more chargers around, but it would be nice to have the one at home. It would save so much time! It would be good for the HOA to innovate for the future...hopefully HOA's have more future forward thinkers.

[@TeslaJoy]

Newer communities will have chargers installed. My community was built in 1973 so it’s not easy to do this.

[@foxylady1048]

Hi joy. Just found your blog, i own a Nissan Leaf and live in a flat in Oxford (city of dreaming spires) UK. The council is very hot about those of us who have no charger. They have now put a charging post in my street.

[@TeslaJoy]

Hi Richard! So glad you found my channel. It’s great your council is putting charging post on your street. I saw in UK there are lampposts outfitted to also let EVs charge. That’s a brilliant idea! Wish US does that too.

[@redhotchilibitch]

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[@garytatham6976]

You are a brave and innovative lady in getting your charging done.

[@TeslaJoy]

I never thought I had to have a home charger in order to own a Tesla. You can watch this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKWngpuCfZ1jotE

[@billligon4005]

So more questions: Does reducing the amperage before using Tesla super charge you Car give increase battery life?

[@TeslaJoy]

As I mentioned earlier, you cannot adjust that setting when supercharging. Everything is preset by Tesla.

[@sergedesnoyers2222]

An amazing video again Joy. You are lucky to live in California but if you were living in Quebec Canada with are very cold winter you would need a home charger to heat up you car in the morning when the temperature drop to -20C (-5F) and have enough energy to commute your day. That is why also in Quebec people living in condo do not by EV. But a new law was issued in last March 2018 that all new condo built must prevent to have opportunities for installation of Charger or the permit for the construction will not be issued because as you probably know Quebec is a ZEV province

[@GrandAce]

This was really informative, thank you

[@garyscoble5254]

Hello Joy, looking at where you park your Model 3, could you not install a solar charger?

[@TeslaJoy]

Solar charger is even more expensive to install. About $17K.

[@zerokool-2058]

Anyway to move to an apartment that has a charging station or where you can put one ? Not sure if you mentioned it.

[@TeslaJoy]

I own my condo.

[@IamEddieLee]

In L.A., various DWP offices have free fast DC charging

[@TeslaJoy]

Yup!

[@samclonce]

No charger installed? Wow! Tesla Joy=Brave Lady🤔

[@TeslaJoy]

Sam Clonce 😂

[@mowcowbell]

At least there are plenty of public chargers in your area. Many areas of the country still do not have many public chargers. I live in a city of over 1.5 million, and yet we only have a handful of chargers in the entire metro area. Fortunately, homes are relatively cheap so I can charge my Honda Clarity at home. I cringe thinking of the paint damage that cable is doing draped over the roof of your Tesla.

[@TeslaJoy]

Not sure if you’ve ever driven a Tesla, but Tesla has glass roof so no paint scraping. In LA it’s hard to find a cheap home that comes with garage as there are about 10 million people living here. Land is scarce.

[@patdbean]

if you really needed to Could you not get together with the other Tesla owners and install a charger in one of their parking spaces (near the meters) aNd come to a time share arrangement ?

[@TeslaJoy]

Nope. All our parking spots are deeded.

[@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS]

If you supercharge this thing all the time you will wear your battery out. They’re not meant to be supercharged all the time.

[@TeslaJoy]

It’s ok to Supercharge 1-2 times a week. No harm to your battery.

[@Nachowindows]

Hi joy. I love your videos. Just have a question. For a full charge lets say i have a 20 % how much it needs a tesla supercharger to get at least 99%

[@TeslaJoy]

Hi, you shouldn’t charge over 90% for daily use and I charge only to 95% on road trips. You can watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGmyg56hbJeigNU As for how long it charges, it depends on how fast the charger you’re using is. For V3 supercharger starting at around 20% SOC, it typically takes about 35 min charging to 90%.

[@TeslaJoy]

That’s correct.

[@xoukilong]

Can you bribe a neighbour for a closer spot and install a charger there? Especially when the hubster gets his modelx

[@TeslaJoy]

No. Those underground parking are all deeded to each owner and everyone wants to keep theirs.

[@crk58241]

I recently purchased a model 3 and to my understanding fast charging is not always good for my battery. Can I crank down the charging speed on my car's screen?

[@TeslaJoy]

Not for supercharging and it’s fine if you do. Just follow the advice I gave in my videos.

[@jimacep5089]

I live in an apartment type condo and don't buy the argument of many people who say that if you can't afford a house, you shouldn't buy a Tesla or can't afford a Tesla. Where I live, detached houses or even attached houses/townhouses where the owner has a garage or a driveway for parking their car are easily over $1 million dollars in the main city or downtown core. Going to the suburbs, it will still be over $500,000. I've been investigating getting a Tesla since we get a big discount where I live. We had an $8k rebate and recently our federal government implemented a $5k rebate so it totals a $13k rebate. This is also not a tax rebate in some countries where you need to pay income tax of the rebate amount to get the benefit. We get an actual $13k back after we pay for the purchase price with taxes on a Tesla 3. You are lucky regarding free charging as well as the warm climant. Where I live we have charging stations but they are generally not free. I am not referring to the Tesla superchargers but the "generic" chargers. It (240V charging) costs ~$2.50 for full charging or ~$1 per hour billed by the minute. One of the biggest savings for EVs is the ability to charge at home. Home electricity rates here is between 6.08¢/kWh and 9.38¢/kWh. Since I'm not able to plug a car overnight because I live in an apartment type condo unit, I must rely on the pay charging stations which reduces some of my cost savings from purchasing an EV. Winters where I live can also easily reach -30C (or -22F) where when I use my gas car, I've required a boost to start my car certain mornings since I park outside so also not sure how an EV like a Tesla will handle this on top of having a reduced range during the winter.

[@TeslaJoy]

Jim AP Thank you for sharing your experience. Hopefully as EVs become more popular, your local city will implement better charging network where some could be free for 1-2 hours.

[@jimacep5089]

@@TeslaJoy I'm actually mistaken regarding the 240V generic charging stations in my area. They cost a minimum of $2.50 for charging up to 2 hours and 30 minutes. If you charge less than 2 hours and 30 minutes, you still pay $2.50. If you charge more than 2 hours and 30 minutes, you are charged $1 for every hour which is billed by the minute

[@TexasLocalProduce]

No grass area? Geez! How about the roof, then? (accessing it from top floor) I live on 13 Acres in Texas, I wouldn't be happy there! Just keep hope that a solution will present itself to you.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nope. Los Angeles is very crowded. Every inch is claimed. If not private property then city property, even grass area. They are zoned and planted intentionally.

[@Duf]

So with the level two charger near work, you just keep an eye on the time and go move your car after two hours? I am lucky enough to have level 2 charging in my garage, however of course it isn't free.....

[@TeslaJoy]

Great question! These ChargePoint stations actually have a "Wait List" feature. If the spots are taken, you add yourself to the queue either from the app or online account (you can view your position in queue online). When it's your turn, the app will notify you and/or send you a text. You have 5 minutes to respond/accept/snooze/leave wait list, and another 15 minutes grace period to actually drive over and plug in. The chargers have a 2-hour timer and will stop charging automatically when your time is up. The app again will notify you/send you a text when your 2-hour is up. You have a 10-minute grace period to unplug and move your car thereafter. Some cars have overstayed and the city will start imposing overstaying/penalty fees starting next month, much like Tesla Supercharger idling fees.

[@crxdelsolsir]

So in Summary: In the absence of a home and your very own charger, the solution is to manage your routine around external chargers. Meaning you are dependent on external chargers and you just need to make the most of that restriction.

[@TeslaJoy]

FYI when I had my ICE I was dependent on gas stations, so I had to manage my route and routine around gas stations. Nobody has a gas pump installed at their home so this is no different.