TESTED: Four-Piston Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, Shimano XT M8020 and Hope E4 - Flow Mountain Bike

We've been trying out a variety of four-piston brakes on our YT Jeffsy 29er over the past few months; the SRAM Code RSC, Shimano's new four-piston XT, and the Hope E4 with a Tech 3 lever. All brakes were ridden with a 203/180mm rotor combo. Here are our thoughts on the highlights and lowlights of each set of stoppers.

[@jamesnoble2436]

Guy Martin crossed with mark Webber?

[@RaptorV1USA]

Fookin' NAILED IT! Lol.

[@skipper_mtb6644]

hahahaha made my day mate

[@maximilianlindner]

Holy crap, now that you say it! XD

[@bikelifewill6483]

Yep

[@sethhuntley6154]

This is the first comment I saw and I was thinking the same thing the whole video😂😂😂

[@johnnnewmex]

You are one of my favorite reviewers. I think you are really fair in your praise and criticism. And it feels like your reviews are not influenced by the manufacturers or advertising. Keep up the good work.

[@TommyHuynh]

This is a great video, I have owned all 3 brands over the years. My 2 sets of SRAM/Avid both failed on me and I swore to never buy another set. My next 4 sets of brakes were all Shimano (XT, Saints and Zee) I loved them, super easy to bleed and never failed. The XT's became a little weak as I got better and rode faster and once I upgraded to 4 piston Saints and Zees all those issues were gone. The most recent bike I built up last year I decided to get Hope V4 brakes (DH brakes). At first I wasn't happy, they didn't grab properly and the Pistons didn't push out evenly. I did alot of research and found out that the Hopes need to be lined up perfectly straight with the rotors in order to work properly. So once I put on new brake pads and re alligned the brakes to the rotors they were by far the best brakes I have ever ridden. My Hopes are stronger than my Zees that are on my DH bike and have much better modulation. I think the biggest noticable difference for me is on the long steep descents where my Shimanos would get weak. My Hopes never have brake fade on the same trails. I think that it's possible your Hope brakes were not set up perfectly or maybe the V4 are just that much more powerful than the E4. Not sure but regardless, thanks for the honest review.

[@Sefveron]

I bought a second hand set of Hope tech V4's and replaced every single seal, flat o ring, hosing, banjos and even all new pistons, I did a full overhaul them! and i had the same exact aligning issues, the pistons simply did not push out evenly at first, i found that after every ride i had to keep re-aligning my calipers... at first i tried to manually line up the pistons so they were even on each side but then then would just gradually becoming uneven again, but then i kept riding my bike and kept re-aligning the calipers and i found after a certain amount of time the pistons would eventually even up on both sides by themselves and i didn't did align them again after that, and now they are really powerful and feel great! i think you need to have patience with them to get them broken in and running properly, so i think less mechanically minded riders need to be wary if they aren't confident in working with brakes.

[@TommyHuynh]

@@Sefveron wow that's interesting, I have a few friends with Hope E4 brakes and none of them had the same issue as I did. I personally think It maybe an issue only with a V4 brake caliper on a regular size rotor. Do you have the V4 vented rotors? Or regular Hope rotors? The V4 vented rotors are basically 2 rotors sandwich together like Moto brakes which help with cooling. They are much thicker that's why the V4 calipers have such a wide gap. So I think when using regular Hope Rotors like I have it can cause more issues for the Pistons if not lined up perfectly.

[@Sefveron]

Yes that may make sense, if they are designed for use with the vented rotor then they won't need to come out as far... i personally don't use the hope rotors i just use some generic stainless ones which work great.

[@lsent3338]

so the best is hope?

[@TommyHuynh]

@@lsent3338 it's all personal preference, but for me definitely Hope are the best

[@rohanjs.]

That was a fantastic video mate! Really clear, precise, too the point and hella enjoyable! Cheers!!

[@JustSomeGuy23]

Once I watched hopes set up videos I had them dialed in absolutely perfect, unfortunately they are a bit more involved but once set up correctly they’ll work a treat

[@SimoD587]

I've recently switched to the M8020's and am loving them so far, just be aware if you go for the caliper only option, you will need to buy new banjo bolts to suit as the one on the 2-pot XT caliper is different to that on the 4-pot XT/saint. Great roundup of these brakes, keep up the awesome content.

[@georgeapplegate2091]

Cheers for the video, just the one i needed as my magura 2 pots boil over and dont have the bite my old 4 pots had back in the last 90s so i needed some info - and youve convinced me that I need the XTs.

[@Allinho2008]

Mate, love your review. Super professional and very informative

[@virgilcheng2335]

Thanks for the informative comments. I gave up SRAM for reliability reason, had multiple jams with master cylinder and adjuster screw breakage. I noticed Code RSC inherited many of previous design features therefore do not believe there will be significant improvement on reliability. Recently change to Hope e4 and I tends to agree with your comment about Hope's stopping power, also its mounts has slight interference with my SRAM X7 trigger shifter. Had no experience with Shimano MTB brakes but I do use Shimano disc brakes on my roadbike and they are reliable and easy to maintain.

[@HarryL2020]

If it can make me go over the bars then it is powerful enough...

[@seven9766]

I agree, however there is one severe case condition: Yes, even my br m365s were capable of otb ejection. However to do so required clinging on to them like your life depended on it, which isn't fun if you are going down the mountain, knowing "If i go any faster, i won't be able to stop again today", esp. if you need to do so for more than 3 minutes straight...

[@HarryL2020]

@@seven9766 yeah I agree, my brakes are pretty powerful I hardly have to pull them for a rapid loss of traction haha

[@MrPijus123]

This man V-brakes

[@keirfarnum6811]

My v-brakes on my 90s XC bike could do that (of course they’re Pro Shifts; the Hope brakes of their time).

[@jackdough8164]

Do you have disc brakes? I find the lower centre of gravity makes the front flipping problem a thing of the past

[@PHAM_mtb]

Well done, thanks for sharing this video! Hope you share more videos soon! Anyway, I liked your video. Keep rollin’! All the best, Philipp from PHAM

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Nicely done! Great breakdown of the key features!

[@cellphonenut]

Very professional review 👊👊

[@jamietyler4099]

I personally have to say I’m a sram code guy. I had Shimano xrt on my bike and and rode a friends with codes. Soon after I had them on my bike. They have at least as good power but they have modulation. Huge improvement in my opinion.

[@DallasLopez1]

I think you should've tossed in a set of magura mt7 brakes

[@sloops4398]

why? To get a break which is always not working?

[@mik_maccc]

no... trash

[@vogelimarc8795]

Magura is Plastic Garbage. Brakes makes twice as much Noise then all the Others togetger. There Bad to Adjust and Bad to Bleed. They also have this wierd flex feeling while Braking. The Levers Brakes often and theyre often leaking And they are way Overpriced.

[@chris7605]

Agree with the comments that Magura is a disaster

[@Baitcasterbass]

@@vogelimarc8795 yea magura should just stick with motorcycle brakes lol

[@mauro21savaan]

Thanks for the info FLOW Shimano XT vs SRAM code R, hello to whoever is interested in my experience. I have had XT and currently I’m ridding code R, if I knew what I know now I would have replaced the code R directly on my new bike for the XT BR-M8020 (or Magura MT7 little bit overkill for me). I have had zero problems for 3 years with my XT and now ridding code R for 4 months I’m almost at the point of replacing them. So why: They just do not quite functionate as how a good set of disc brakes should + pour material quality, rotors rust, cheap paint, oversized components, (DIY) unfriendly to work one, never quite the result you where hoping for after some tlc and so long. My girlfriend rides SLX for over 2 years and are in better condition than my code R, we ride 95% of the times together. I hope that I saved some people from wasting their time, money and frustration. Something about myself I’m a perfectionist very technical skilled and realistic. (Last summer in Austria a DH bike rental place told us they replace all Sram brakes directly and sell them for dirt cheap new, they just do not want to bother using them. That should have been a motivation for me to replace them directly but I did not, regrets big time.) Thanks for the tech info GMBN

[@ilanblondy9711]

Thank you so much for such a good input

[@paradox963]

Great video would love to have seen the​ Magura MT7 pro and the TRP G-Spec Quadiem's in the test as well.

[@thedutchwoodworker3472]

Like the hope brakes hope they while soon release that 6 caliper brake Great video 👍🏻

[@mxrider2strokebraaap54]

I run hope brakes for a few years now and all I can say is that they’re the best brakes I’ve ever ridden with. Never had any problems with losing brake pressure, the brakes are always working at the same amount of brake lever pull

[@bananasstuff3344]

I agree. If its enough for Joe Barnes then it's enough for me.

[@joehughes5177]

I still have a set of the original Shimano XT, with the same 203/180 rotors, I've had these for 25 years, still riding them. They have spent the majority of their lives on my Specialized Big Hit at the slopes downhilling. Cant complain at all

[@nedt]

Great video and comparison

[@jeffreyccv]

I rock a tech 3 v4 up front and a tech3 e4 in the rear. Perfect 👌 amount of modulation and power .. my santa cruz 5010cc v3 stops on a dime and gives back change.

[@stubeeson8037]

I love my Tech 3 E4's

[@malmaladei]

Hi, loving those trails! Keep those videos coming! Anyway, I subscribed to your channel. Have a good day!

[@BenWalker]

I have a set of the hopes. Awesome light brakes with loads of modulation and power. Amazing they are so good compared to the corporate powerhouses. SRAM and Shinano are everywhere because they are often spec'ed on new bikes.

[@zyoungson215]

Remember hope made some of the first mtb disc brakes, you see some sets that are 10+ years old that still work and people pay good money for them, proper high quality stuff

[@RideWithKyle]

Love all my hope brakes! Did you guys follow hopes recommended setup guide?

[@JoelTGM]

well that was an impressive video. thanks for that. im interested in magura so hopefully one day you'll review them. i like mineral oil brakes so it's between shimano and magura for me.

[@nateisright]

It says a lot that I would flip a coin to pick between Hope and the SRAM. Hope make excellent products. SRAM have come a long way!

[@rantingwrench]

I've tried various Shimano brakes, SRAM Guides (R and RSC) and Hope E4s, but honestly the TRP Quadiems are better than any of them. SRAM/Hope modualation with Shimano power and bleed procedure. And they look blingy too. The TRP matchmakers aren't great but I'll happily run 22.2mm clamps on my dropper and shifter if it means having brakes this good.

[@cristipop5706]

Shimano xt 8020 🔝🤘🙏

[@GrimYak]

Piston size on the Saint are a bit larger than the XTs, the XTs use a 15/17 mm caliper while the Saints/Zeee use 16/18mm calipers. Bought a set of M8020 front and rear for just above 250 USD, id say it was a steal.

[@matteoconsigliere1936]

Hi,that is not true.Xt 4 piston size it is the same of saint/zee 16-18mm.Calipers are the same.

[@mitchellmtb7202]

Thank you for not reviewing Magura MT7. I was able to purchase them despite the global bike supply chain issues.

[@mariana2799]

Great Stuff

[@Coerced]

wouldnt aftermarket pads reduce the brake noise from the sram brakes anyway?

[@LeoInterHyenaem]

Do you know if the SRAM Code RSC callipers can be combined with the Sram Force (eTap AXS) and other Sram dropbar grips (as Hope RX4 can, for instance)? Thank you.

[@kix17mtb55]

Hi. I need some a lil advise from you guys. I wanted to get the hope tech3 e4 coz i need a better modulation from my pivot mach6. And what size of rotors that are perfect on this one? Thanks

[@nostaku]

+1 for that Polygon Siskiu N9!

Nice trip!

[@djambush360]

Have you ever tried a 1 piston Magura Louise with 203mm rotors? The power and modulation performance is still up to date.

[@Digi20]

Is it possible to use the Zee or the 8020 with Ultegra Road Levers?

[@R1pp3d]

Seems like the Code is the only one marketed as a "full on" downhill brake so you would expect it to be stronger. Shimano Saint and Hope Tech 3 V4 would be the equivalents, and the SRAM Guide RSC would/should be on the same level as the XT and E4. Pity you couldn't get a Magura in. My MT5s are good but need fairly frequent bleeding.

[@m00nchildblues]

XT dual piston overkill for the average enduro rider, perfect for the enduro racer! At 174lbs, they were flawless on 203/180mm rotors on muddy wet Tiger mtn,wa last week. Worth every penny!

[@gatoryak7332]

The XT brakes weigh 174 lbs? That must slow you down somewhat going uphill, no?

[@joseph.l3258]

I have one hope x2 and one hope e4 and the x2 is actually a lot nice feel to it and feels like it has twice the power even though it’s 2 piston

[@RaptorV1USA]

I've run Hopes for years now I still have several OG sets on diff bikes including Minis, XC4's, MonoM4s w/custom Mini/Dangerboy levers and a cpl of Mono 6 TI calipers on Tech 3 and Mini/Dangerboy levers .. even a wheelset w/ their Titanium hubs with center lock rotors from 20 + yrs ago lol.. not always the most powerful but plenty powerful to lock a wheel almost any time and the modulation to make sure you virtually never do....;-) I'm running a set I jonesed over for a cpl years : V4 front/203mm rotor & E4 rear /183mm rotor the V4 runs a bigger caliper, bigger pistons + pads it has significantly more power. Vs the E4. I'd figured, as a bigger guy, that combo would be perfect plus, I "overbrake" my bikes as a rule lol. (Mono 6 TI ! ) I got lucky and found a fresh set barely used on ebay, saved a ton. The shimanos and srams ive ridden on other bikes are pretty amazing brakes these days its stunning how fast it has all become so refined. Bottom line, you really can't go wrong, they all kick some ass. wen I grow up imma get me some Maxima / Diretissima brakes....

[@majoromg449]

This is such a great review! Just the way he stands there leaning against that red box and immediatly start speaking

[@rinky_dinky]

i've heard from a LBS that Shimano Saints are gonna be discontinued.... is this true ?

[@BikingVikingMTB]

I prefer the Hope Tech E4’s on a personal note. Currently running the shimano xt’s n Im constantly having to bleed thwm why is thais? May go back to E4’s on my new orbea rallon m10 good vid by the way

[@pregardt]

can you use the xt ice tech rotors with the slx breaks / calipers?

[@bananasstuff3344]

Yes, that would work

[@michaelfoster1408]

Where did you get the hopes from?

[@adampetten1009]

I really like my XT 2 piston, I'll probably buy just the 4 piston caliber for a little extra power for when I need it

[@MTBMOR]

I have the xt 2 piston and the slx 4 piston blow them away... Both are really good

[@adampetten1009]

@@MTBMOR I upgraded to xt 4 and 203mm rotors

[@MTBMOR]

@@adampetten1009 That's about as good as it gets

[@thatguythatdoesstuff7448]

With the finned brake pads and the rattling, ride them for a bit. Take the pads out and you'll see where they're contacting the caliper to produce the rattle. Sand/abrade the spot(s) and apply a THIN layer of high temp automotive silicone. Let cure, reinstall, no rattle.

[@POBMTB]

saints for the win ! i bet those xt are v similar

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

Ive ridden Saints, XTs, Sram and now Formula Curas. The Curas are the best ive ridden- as strong as the others but better Modulation, cheaper, reliable and the lever is the most comfortable. For 200-220€ for a full set with disc you wont find a better brake.

[@mtbboy1993]

with shimano M6000 I had to refill brakes with fluid if pads got bit worn, and still have plenty of life in them, but I gave up on shimano after a streak of bad luck, I have enough, so many leaking brakes I am done with it. I am currently using TRP Spyke dual piston mechanical brakes, but I might return to hydraulic if I find a break I am satisfied with, but I have TRP Spyke as spare, what ever I try in the future.

[@Fluterra]

Having returned to biking after a 16 year break, it’s amazing how SRAM has come from nowhere and is dominating the field. I bought 3 top of the line bikes and all came standard with full SRAM group sets. How did Shimano lose their lead so badly?!

[@kaloyanerusalimov]

I also had some of the new SLX brakes and sold them as soon as possible and got myself a set of Formula The One. Serious inconsistency with the new line of brakes. Awkward that almost all of my friends ride Saints and Zees and say the same regarding lever feel, but they say you just need to pump a few times before braking and you'll be good.

[@flow2tech]

Complete opposite for me and I love sram Eagle drivetrain.. However the brakes have been lackluster, noisy and just don't cut it compared to Shimano.. The new Saint 4 piston are the pinnacle

[@bikeva1557]

Simple economics, mate. SRAM gives OEM spec dirt pricing to grab share but charge through the ass for after market purchase to recoup margin.

[@felixallard419]

Its mainly because Sram made a 12 speed while shimano didnt offered one yet while it was the new trend. Then, many bike brands decided to go with those 12 speed drive train, Rockshock suspension and Sram Brakes in the same time as deals for all products were better. That is why you now see much more Lyriks and Sram components on complete bikes. That being said, Shimano now has a 12 speed. Hopefully, things will be different from now on!

[@trailpanda6592]

SRAM is dominating field of shitty brakes but they are top seller of rebuild kits! :D

[@gumaxlucas9350]

HOPE

[@jaredgulaga8367]

Why didnt you test the Hope V4? its there competitor to the Code RSC

[@finn6889]

Hi I have a question can I ride the hope tech 3 v4 on my enduro commencal clash with the 203 mm rotors?

[@bananasstuff3344]

Yes, it will work.

[@LargoC]

Shimano xtr for me!

[@LucasGoncalves-sp5nh]

XTR levers are so fragile...

[@ericbana355]

Take some time to set up the Hopes properly and make sure everything is centred and they are stunning.I have been using them for around 25 years,I can’t even remember when they first started making them.A good upgrade is to rebleed them with high temperature racing brake fluid.Brake fade becomes a thing of the past.I agree they lack absolute braking power compared to some but they have more control and modulation than virtually everything else and off road ( in my opinion) that is a bigger factor than ultimate power which can result in a lock up on loose surfaces.

[@johnelona14]

What does the assembly consist of?

[@MrArkBrian]

My top 5, but with their flaws included: 1. Trickstuff Maxima or Direttissima (too expensive and the wait list is too long for delivery) 2. Formula Cura 4 (they have an odd break-in period, so odd in fact... that riders dismiss them before experiencing their power) 3. Magura MT7 (flimsy levers) 4. Shimano SLX 4 piston (no one gives them a chance, so they live in the shadows of the XTs, ZEEs, Saints, and XTRs) 5. SRAM Codes, Formula Cura, and Hope V4s (they’re all in 5th place for reasons of “feel”, 2-pistons, or cost/power ratio)

[@greedfox7842]

how do you ride your bike upside down? 🤔

[@Coerced]

Is it possible to change brakes without changing discs? Like: go from sram to hope or go from sram guide to sram code, leaving the guide discs on?

[@bananasstuff3344]

Yes, that will work

[@jhanmerr]

Nice

[@adamzaborski5776]

Just wondering, are the sram codes rsc the same as the r in terms of power?

[@hooyabaaa2]

Yes, they are more or less the same brakes. The RSC is a bit ligher and have the contact point on the levers... Not more than that i think.

[@freeridetony]

Yesss

[@KingPintJuli]

Hope Tech 3 V4 !!!

[@holzwurm_hd7029]

Ive always got a back up brake installed on my bike. I once had a brake lever snap on me and since then ive got disc and an additional rim brake installed on the back.

[@stcandrew]

Bikes usually have a backup brake already.. so are you running 3 levers??

[@holzwurm_hd7029]

@@stcandrew You've got it.

[@stcandrew]

@@holzwurm_hd7029 wow that's wild. Better safe than sorry I guess. Lol

[@travelblogger7102]

It’s time to compare the new generations of those brakes🙃

[@tamasvarga67]

Looks like a really unbiased review, good job! Price/performance/reliability - Shimano.

[@arloridesbikes9921]

My old xtr 2 pot brakes have nothing on my slx 4 pot brakes

[@justinholmes5614]

My girlfriend just got me Hope E4 for Xmas :)

[@travisabel4252]

How would you know unless your unwrapping your presents and peaking, then wrapping them back up. If she told you, then she should have made you wait until Christmas

[@justinholmes5614]

Travis Abel It doesn’t work like that in my house

[@mrnobody9821]

Justin Holmes have you ridden with them yet? What do you think?

[@justinholmes5614]

Doom Engine FPV Not yet mate, waiting to get my frame back from power coating

[@justinholmes5614]

Doom Engine FPV Done a bit of riding with them, they’re a bitch to get working right but once you do they’re awesome !

[@KA1xxx]

Are sram level t's any good. I wanna get a pair but do they really have all these problems people talk about?

[@rollinrat4850]

Road to 10k subs with no videos Dont bother with Sram. Sram has had a few quality issues the last few years. Shimano makes best brakes for the money. Shimano, being the biggest parts company, can better engineer and TEST their products before they hit market. Check out Deores or Zee models. Shimano uses mineral oil. Unlike DOT fluid, it doesnt absorb moisture, it doesnt degrade piston seals after 3 or 4 years. Shimano is way easier to bleed. Best bang for the buck and can last a long long time.

[@KA1xxx]

@@rollinrat4850 thanks for the advice man, ended up getting a pair of shimano deore XT and im verry happy

[@cibergatito3000]

😃 ¡Saludos!.

[@gaco49]

Yassss

[@Dems411]

dope

[@hannal9229]

Trickstuff Direttissima or Trickstuff Maxima? Very expensive, but very very very good...

[@onemanmob6756]

Trp? Magura?

[@kim00gibson]

Can't leave Magura

[@mtbboy1993]

a brand I hear little about is Trickstuff, I haven't tried them but very little info on those, not alot of reviews.

[@obi-wankenobi9871]

Formula? They make some absolutely top level stuff. The Selva, Nero and 35 are more that able to compete with top Level RS and Fox forks. Same goes for the brakes. The Cura 2 and 4 piston brakes are really powerful and probably the best feeling brakes on the market. Modulation and price are also amazing.

[@thatguythatdoesstuff7448]

Hadn't really heard of Formula's brakes. The only problem ... not a lot of feedback on them from the market, so I really have no reason to try them over widely proven products, like XT. Especially at the $150 price-point for four piston. They're at the same price point as TRP Quadiems. I just can't see guinea pigging Formula brakes over some of these others. Frankly, for the money, Shimano Zee is an amazing brake for $120 per end.

[@LiHao8377]

Magura is the worst brake I ever had. Weak brake power and the level did not stay in place

[@bouzouki2006]

Where are the Maguras?

[@Dude-Smellmyhelmet]

I'm perfectly happy with my Sram Guides. I'm pretty sure most of the people saying sram sucks are just regurgitating shit they hear their idols saying.

[@ov3rcl0cked]

yeah had some quality issues, but most of that was recalled and now it's not really an issue. I run sram code, and had sram guides before that, they were actually more reliable than my old shimano XTs which I ended up having to bleed more often and ultimately the master cylinder started getting stuck, ultimately I swapped the XTs for guides and ended up liking them more all around.

[@cycling-in-sofia]

My new brakes are Shigura.

[@gnartarded]

Don’t run the floating hope rotors, run the standard style, not only do the floating rotors warp easily they are also slightly spaced to far outward of the perfect rotor alignment.

[@user-gd1yu5gx2l]

what's the diffrence between the e4 and the v4 ?

[@matthewking4470]

Fagbug the most I’ve been told is the v4 calliper has Ribs machined on it to help cooling and it claims to have 5 percent more power

[@totyvfts]

Miért nem mindegyiket a saját hozzá való tárcsájával teszteltétek ? :(

[@Fincher123]

Please Test the Formula Cura 4 !

[@mamukaenuqidze151]

hope👍👍👍👍

[@swpa8742]

My sram code r 4 pistons are terrible unless they are red hot.

[@daffydave100]

I have HOPE 6 pots and are the most powerful breaks I have ever tried.

[@RobertBrownieJr]

Them E4s.

[@superlazy3355]

I love the shimano zee brakes

[@ryan59979]

HOPE without a doubt.

[@deanemberley2333]

Ahhhh no thanks for the silly comment though

[@mitchellconant9336]

Sram for going, shimano for stopping.

[@benferguson1762]

My xt 4 change when they heat up, they start screeching and vibrate badly back through the brake line, I don't trust them at high speed, the hope 9 fells better and that's an old brake.

[@dougbowers8759]

My new girl is a all black stumpjumper, the colored hopes ? Woo Hoo !

[@mrnobody9821]

Im here because I have the SRAM guide’s on my Remedy 8.

[@gabrieledalessio6707]

Formula brakes!!!

[@enchonggo5688]

i have saint. its good but i shift to hope and its better, and i change to TRP quadiem and its perfect.. sram breaks IS the WORST break for me. thank you

[@ps3customgamer]

Great video but I don’t like the colour grading my phone has an OLED and the picture just looks washed out

[@bananasstuff3344]

So?

[@seven9766]

Hm. I like my Zees. Great anchors, esp. for the money i spent on them (ridiculously low price), also, on brakes i don't mind a bit of extra weight. Hope's offering looks kinda flimsy compared to the XT caliper. Of course, the Codes are insanely sleek, but for some reason i like the braced, rounded look of the mt5s calipers best. A bitch to clean, however. Yeh, i like my zees. The fact that i run them on a 12kg xc bike with 180 mm rotors and weigh about 70 kgs with clothes... eh i'm fine with that. Knowing that if i ever need to stop RIGHT NOW, i can. Oh, also great for doing stoppie to nothing to faceplant to flat. Ask me how i know...

[@af252]

Nice, I’m getting the 8020’s mentioned in this video soon and I’m excited to finally have some stoppie power