TESTED: Hodgdon Tite Group

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We recently tested Berry’s .357 125 grain FP-TP bullets over Titegroup from Henry’s Big Boy Revolvers. Happy with the performance, we decided to take a closer look!
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[@markphilpott8735]

This is my go to powder for 9mm, 38 special, 38+p, 44 special, 45 ACP & 45 Colt. Not only is this a consistent product, it meters well in mechanical powder measures and most of all, compared to many of those traditional pistol powders, Titegroup is clean. I've never encountered residual unburned or ashy powder residue using this powder.

[@daimajind7231]

Same here

[@reload243]

also have used it for more than 20 years in the same cartridges and 357 mag@@daimajind7231

[@hawaiiangunner]

I use it for 9mm in uspsa comps. 3.0gr tg 160gr head

[@hpd179]

My go to powder also. Loads very consistent out of a Dillon 550.

[@ruststar]

I have used titegroup for over 18 years for the same reasons

[@randomyetcool1]

3.2gr with a 147gr plated bullet is my go to USPSA load. It is super soft recoiling and makes power factor. Thousands of rounds with that load no problems

[@TheGreatDaneR]

Came here to say this. Works great suppressed too and can squeeze out some awesome ES/SD.

[@ewathoughts8476]

Sometimes short lighter bullets in 38/357 uncovers the cylinder gap just about the same instant the bullet starts to engrave into the forcing cone of the barrel. Any little differences in the bullet engraving will allow variable amounts of gas to blast out of the cylinder gap leading to much greater than desired SD/ES numbers. Using a longer bullet keeps the gap covered for just enough time for the propellant to get burning real well. There is a reason full wadcutters have been the go to bullet for light target loads, ling skirt and perhaps a hollow base keeps the gap sealed just a bit longer allowing the light charges of propellant to burn more uniformly.

[@matthewoldham34]

I have been using Tite group since I started hand loading ten years ago. The things I enjoy about this powder are just as you described clean burning, low charge weight, and versatility. I use this powder in everything except my magnum cartridges, and 30 carbine whch I use H110. I use this powder in 380 ACP, 9mm, .40, 45 ACP, 38 Special, 44 Special, and 45 Clolt.

[@harlech2]

Thank you for the Special Christmas Edition (to me) of UR. This is the first time I have heard a video from you. They way you phrase things, and your humor very much remind me of my late father. He introduced me to reloading 45 years ago tonight. Particularly fitting since my grandparents bought me a .45 ACP for Christmas. Well, technically it was my grandfathers and stayed locked in his safe, but it had my name on it under the tree. I put thousands of rounds through that gun. Tens of thousands. My father was shocked I had shot through all the powder he had given me as a started at Christmas and asked for more for my birthday the following April. And my poor old Speer reloading manual. I read that thing cover to cover 50 times or more. Thanks for taking me down memory lane. I particularly needed it this year.

[@guyminer3168]

Thank you, and Merry Christmas!

[@jeffreystarits2783]

I use 3 pistol powders CFE H110 and titegroup . with titegroup being by far the most versatile.

[@chrisb9478]

I’ve been using Titegroup for about 10 years + for IDPA. It’s the #1 powder used in IDPA too. Use it for 9mm. It’s great. 👍🏻 🇺🇸

[@chrisgrace1489]

I'm looking for a load for my kimber micro carry 3 inch barrel I'm using hs6,115 grain or 124 gr bullets 5.9 grains of powder mag primers or regular ones works great in my 4.75 barrel 1911 but not so much in my micro carry how many grains of tight group ate u using?

[@chrisgrace1489]

Have some Winchester powder but haven't tried it yet I'm just curious

[@chrisb9478]

@@chrisgrace1489 I use 124gr Extreme copper plated. If they’re out I’ll buy poly coated DG or Gallant. I use 3.7gr of Titegroup

[@ikocher]

I literally just started looking at Titegroup for 45 Colt just this morning.

[@drummer0864]

I've been using it for twenty years and almost replaced everything I used Unique and H110for. It's good to cut down on the different kinds of powder I have to store in my loading room. It's much cleaner in all my big bore pistols and lever guns. The small amount needed to load makes it cost effective, but you have to be sure Not to double charge a case, which would be very easy to do with this powder. 45 Colt, you have to look way down to see the powder in there. I've been very happy with this powder.

[@paulvenn4447]

Guy is really coming into his own in front of the camera, a natural!

[@mlindsay527]

Shortening your COAL (cartridge overall length) dramatically increases pressure. Without pressure testing equipment, there is no way to say how much is safe. Stick to modern reloading manual data and proper workup procedures.

[@Spyderco79]

This is my primary powder for .45ACP (230gr ball and 200gr SWC) and for 9Luger (150gr FP powder coat). Extremely great powder!

[@chuckkuang91]

Titegroup runs too hot and smokes too much for my liking. Clean shot, n320, and sports pistol are better

[@guyminer3168]

We'll have to try some of those as well!

[@smoakngun]

The new 2024 Hodgdon Annual Manual lists subsonic .308 Winchester loads using tightgroup powder.

[@briankoenig8923]

Titegroup works fantastic for 9mm Luger as well.

[@chevrofreak]

3.4gr Titegroup under a 147gr plated bullet works well suppressed in a 9mm pistol or PCC.

[@buffalobob870]

I've been using titegroup for many years, primarily in 45 colt and 44 magnum. Some 45acp too. I like the ability in 44 mag to have load data for rounds in the range of 44 special without dealing with new brass and/or the feeding problems sometimes associated with 44 specials in a lever gun. I have accumulated a number of single action replicas and lever guns in those two chamberings and Titegroup is my favorite powder for those. If I want to max out velocity in a 44 mag, then there are better powders but I don't shoot those types of loads.

[@davidabernathy4553]

Well now this is a interesting video and I have been using tight group powder for years. I have loaded personally everything from 9 mm up to 45 Colt and have had excellent results.

[@stevedavid2315]

Amazing video as usual. Titegroup is now the only powder I use for my handguns, 9mm, 38spl, 357mag, 45acp, 45 LC and 44mag.

[@chach3]

When I used to compete in USPSA, I used Titegroup in my .40 cal Glock 35. It was was excellent for me. I used to load around 3-3.5 grains with heavy bullets to make power factor. I think my loads were around 800 feet per second. Very manageable for competition double taps. It was accurate and recoil was minimal for follow up shots. With low charge weights, a pound of powder really stretched out. Which was good for me, because I was shooting close to 500 rounds a week competing and practicing. Even though I don't compete anymore, Titegroup is still my go to pistol powder.

[@leroybishop2245]

Yes I have some TG. I live behind enemy lines in CA. So lm just hoarding 😖

[@rdmercer2451]

Good info! I use this and win231 b/c they are the only powders I can find! But it is reliable and consistent and economical... you can’t complain about that.😊

[@spencer848]

I have even used Titegroup for 45-70. A small charge under a 350gr Berry's plated bullet makes a pretty neat subsonic plinking round.

[@Bill-vb1ik]

I use this for my reloading in .38,357,45acp and 45colt .i also make my own blackpowder thanks and have a happy new year

[@splitpin1764]

I don't have a license to shoot pistol in New Zealand , but was looking for a powder for Subsonic .223. Titegroup was a recommended option from hodgdon. 3.9gr behind a 70 gr speer semi point shot under 2" at 107 yds. Was impressed by the consistency considering the powder charge was only about 15% case fill and didn't use any packing.

[@travisweldmaster7815]

Great 12g, tightgroup/hi gun samevexact stuff, that and cfe pistol for mass production 9mm

[@mississippichris]

I have worked up several good loads with Titegroup. Very economical due to low charge weights. Meters extremely well.

[@joshdemarkles5977]

Dirty powder and burns hot. After a 500rd training session i can hardly even keep my finger on the trigger.

[@halfdollar86]

I don’t use it a lot in pistol. But I started using it in 12 gauge 1-1/8 oz at 1235 FPS. Hodgdon has since come out with High Gun that is the exact same powder at Titegroup that has dedicated shotgun data.

[@bobmcclure8069]

One heck of a 12 gauge powder!!!

[@NoneYaBidness762]

Yup. I use it for 12 Gauge too. Makes a great 1 oz load. I have heard that you can use it for 3/4oz too, but haven’t found any published data for that yet.

[@Rex-mw3xm]

Be interested to see this and some other powders in a comparison for .300blk

[@greenbudkelly2820]

TiteGroup is a versatile and economical powder. But I found it has a pretty strong muzzle flash in my snubnose, and leaves all my guns dirty. I switched to Accurate #2 and like it much better. Clean burning, no flash, and nothing meters better. The TG is on standby in case things get rough sourcing powder again.

[@misiomor]

There are two serious problems with Titegroup: - It interacts very badly with polymer coated bullets, to the point of destroying the coating - it becomes soft, brittle and loses its adhesion to the lead. There are videos demonstrating this. The culprit here is high nitroglycerine content. The stuff is almost dripping with this chemical, feels sticky and oily. Unfortunately nitroglycerin dissolves in some plastics, degrading their properties. This powder may even destroy powder hoppers (old style red Lee Precision) if kept in there for too long. - Its bulk density is very high for a fast burning pistol powder. There are two dangers associated with it. First it is easy to overlook a double charge, especially in the old school large case low pressure calibers like .45 Colt or .44-40. Some Titegroup loads in these call for 25% fill or less. The second issue is the bulk density being comparable to many slow burning rifle powders. So if the reloader mistakes Titegroup for a rifle powder, the charge weight may still fit in the case without overfill or even compression. I read about a rifle blown up this way, the surgeons barely managed to save the forward hand of the unfortunate shooter.

[@kellym3531]

I dislike Titegroup. It makes the gun to hot to fast, and melts the lead into the barrel.

[@guyminer3168]

Good to know!

[@iamnobody9542]

I was looking for a 38 level load, a 125 at ~875 f/s in 357 brass for plinking. 231 and unique would vary 150 f/s, VERY position sensitive! Tite Group solved the problem. If you need 3 kernels of powder in a 55 gallon drum (like a 45 LC)... Tite Group.

[@anangryranger]

Tite Group is the powder for my 45 Colt, 38Spl, often in 45 Auto. And yes, 6.2gr in the 45 Colt with anything from 200gr to 255gr cast bullets is always accurate.

[@kapler8550]

Running a max of 6gr of tite in my 45colt loads intended for my 1872 open top. Gets around 880 fps with a 250gr plated berrys bullet.

[@Joe-hz1nw]

This is pretty much all I use for pistol ammunition. It’s consistent, relatively clean, and economical as you don’t need very much of it compared to other common powders.

[@bustabass9025]

Lotta good pistol powders in that burn rate. Universal is a favorite of mine in non-magnum cartridges. All of my magnum handloads are fueled with H110, Power Pistol, AA#9 or IMR-4227. Pick one that works, and stick with it.

[@killjoy29650]

I love Titegroup for several pistol calibers. Primarily 9mm 147 grain. I have loaded many thousands. It is super accurate, clean, and cheap. The only downside I have found is it will discolor your clear powder tube on your progressive press. Pretty quickly. But it’s worth it. I have tried other powders but continue to only use Titegroup.

[@SOCMMOB]

The main complaint I see with this powder is how dirty it is. Of course that won’t matter much to the typical ultra-low shooting volume 1911 and Revolver owner.

[@squib3083]

I used titegroup until I discovered Ramshot silhouette. Now the titegroup sits on the shelf.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great overview. Many thanks. Nice, nice collection there. I haven't used this powder before. We have bought and loaded kegs of Unique(Hercules & Alliant) in big bore handguns over the years. I have been working on a 4lb. Keg of IMR 700-X for a few years on 9, 40 & 44 Special. I have used a little Bullseye in past. All of these powders have served me well but they are all quite dirty. This is a very versatile powder apparently. When my powders get low I should give this one a go. Have a blessed time with family & friends celebrating Christ's birth.

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@markyoung2981]

Thank you for your time and effort in making this video. I just subscribed to your channel after watching. Between Titegroup and H110 I can load everything I need from 9mm to 300 Blackout and 30 Carbine.

[@mkupkatx]

Titegroup is my primary pistol powder. Interestingly enough it also delivered benches level performance in 300blk with Berry's 220 grain 6.0gn Titegroup. ES 14fps, SD 6fps!!!! Avg velocity 986fps.

[@jimmywilliams7876]

I"ve been running Titegroup in .32 ACP & .32 S&W long primarily, but it works for range rounds across a broad range. Saying that, I have never tried it in .327 Fed mag, 357 mag, or 44 Mag. I may have to try it there now too.

[@jestergrin_1393]

I like the powder but you have to go slow when increasing the powder charge as it can go up in pressure fast. Also you mentioned leaving it in the hopper.Do not do this as it will melt into the hopper of the rcbs powder thrower. I have used this powder for mainly 38/357mag 44/44Mag .It works great for midlevel or slower loads. Dont push it. That is what W296/H110 is for.

[@Rundu1987]

.380, 3gr. on a 95 gr, 9mmP, 4gr on 122gr and .38 special, 2.8 gr on 148 gr fwc. love this powder.

[@keyrat401]

I using it for 9mm for uspsa , 147gr at 3.2 gr to make 125 PF. 4.2 gr for 115 gr . 3.7 for 124gr

[@ShootingUtah]

I use titegroup for pretty much all pistol cartridges. It works in everything and it's cheaper to shoot. Really good for economical 9mm loads. Not the best for high performance .358 magnum loads because it develops too much pressure to get the really high velocities. Also like it in .45acp. haven't used it in .44 Magnum yet but probably will soon. ( Just got a .44 magnum and don't have dies yet)

[@gonzob9609]

Biggest drawback, fill. Harder to catch double charges, and consequences will be VERY bad. Great for short barrels, but lose velocity out of longer barrels. I do use it, but my go to is CFE pistol. Great all around powder.

[@saltcreekammo]

Love Titegroup in pistol, and am messing with it in shotshell with light TSS 12ga payloads, with good results so far on waterfowl. I found one powder charge that works well in 9mm(115 gr), 40S&W(180 gr) and 45 ACP (230 gr)-- 4.6 grains Titegroup... Great plinking/target loads. Using Berry's bullets.

[@joemann3536]

In an 45 COLT, SAA Uberti/Taylors... would the DATA you showed for that Black Hawk (a much stronger wheel gun) be good? Or should I be staying at 5.0 gr with Titegroup powder? My bullet weights are 200-255. Thanks for showing this . I am new to reloading and only using a Lee HAND Load set up. TiteGroup was the only powder I was able to purchase in Minnesota. Also someone on YT I watched was saying this powder was dirty and to smokey for an indoor range. From listening to you I see this is not true...SO. Again,Thanks

[@bradbarley6639]

I have run this for years behind a 147g plated RN for IDPA and USPSA. Soft shooting, great consistency and with a small charge always makes power factors. The only powder Ive found that is any better is VV N320.

[@ironmonkey1512]

I am on a N320 kick at the moment it's good stuff.

[@jman28lamplight]

I've tried just about everything available in my area for 45 auto. Titegroup is the only powder I've purchased more than once and continue to use. Nice work sir.

[@d.townzen1337]

It has been my go to powder for the last 5 months for 9mm. Got really good results on coated lead bullets. It's great for 147 gn and 125 gn.

[@russstockton3784]

Titegroup works just fine for me. However, when shooting at an indoor range you get a nose full of the stuff and man do I hate how that stuff smells! Give me Bullseye all day long. It serves the same purpose and just doesn't stink so horribly.

[@traveler7155]

Have used TG for everything from 38 Spl cowboy loads to high end defensive 45 ACP and 44 mag loads. No issues with any cartridge.

[@oslobodjenja3948]

9mm for USPSA and IDPA loads. Shoot for 130 power factor to compensate for variable of the match's chronograph. Used to do 115 grain bullets but now mainly 124 and some 145 grain pills too. With 124, 3.1 grains gets it done without soot on brass. But, it is dirty; leaves the action and barrel pretty sooty. I miss Bullseye (had a good scent too) but I won't pay the prices that people want for it. Used to get Bullseye for 15 bucks per pound. Won't pay 45 in Q4 2023. I would go back to Bullseye in a heartbeat if the price was closer to Tightgroup.

[@scottc3029]

Have you tried Titegroup with reduced loads in the 500s&w mag.?

[@dhbikerczar]

I’m curious about this too. I run H110 for my full power loads, but I need to find a low ES plinker load.

[@TODinWY]

It works good in my .480 with 410-grain cast bullets @ 900 fps.

[@guyminer3168]

Not yet. A while back Gavin did a story on the 500 S&W "Special" with shorter cases and Trail Boss. Good stuff, but that powder is out of production. Titegroup is shown for 9 different 500 S&W loads in Hodgdon's Online Reloading Data Center!

[@tolesy00]

How do .44mag handgun loads/powders differ from those used for rifles, say a Ruger Deerfield carbine?

[@guyminer3168]

Honestly I've never loaded for the semi-auto Ruger Deerfield carbine, so I've no first hand info.

[@jimhartline4814]

Really enjoyed the video and very informative. I have been using Titegroup for probably 10-15 years. I am using it in .38 special, .357, 9mm, and 44. They are loaded more of a target load and love how it performs. Each of the calibers are a lot of fun and even in the 44, there is a little but not that much. But, by no means is it near a magnum load. You explained something that I have noticed is the brass sometimes being sooty, on the lower charge but diminished with a higher charge. I typically load to about the middle charge. Will be trying a slightly higher charge to see how that does.

[@robertreed2300]

Have several loads with tg I've become a fan of especially in 44 special

[@cristianespinal9917]

Looks like a very cool powder for light big-bore loads and a good alternative to the W231 I use for similar purposes. Great to know it's a viable backup if I can't restock 231. Dirty powder doesn't bother me if it's useful. Talking about old powders, IMR4227 just became one of my favorite .44 powders despite being sooty and leaving kernel residue. Its velocity falls shy of 2400, H110, or Lil' Gun with similar load density. Its performance is a little more than, but closer to, Blue Dot or Longshot with much less blast, flash, and less perceived recoil than any of the above.

[@richardsveum8452]

I haven’t noticed much difference between HP38, W 231 or Titegroup

[@Mikkemeister]

I have loaded .38 Spec 158gr +P a bit. Shoots good, but I have noticed that it does burn hot. The revolver gets quite hot after 12-18 shots at a fast pace (I shoot PPC with them).

[@kenny3217]

I started using Titegroup as I expanded the calibers I was loading because they all have a pretty decent loading with Titegroup so I don't have to keep 5 different pistol powders on hand. I load 9mm, 38/.357, .40 S&W, 10mm, .44 Mag, .45 ACP, all with the same powder, what more can you ask for?

[@petermurdoch3001]

with a Marlin 44mag Carbine, and a Super Blackhawk(1973)240gr Hornady bullet, a charge of 7.0 Titegroup, 7.0 would also be a decent charge for a Uberti 45 Colt(1873)230 gr bullet

[@rudolfyakich6653]

Great video and very useful information. I have been using Tite group for years on .38 Spl. I like to shoot duty size revolvers like Smith and Wesson M15, M64,M 65, M 686, and M627. This information is very helpful to me since now I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk, S&W M69, and a Marlin (Ruger) 1894. I got a real kick out of the M69 shooting.44 Spl. for the first time in my life ! Sad since I am about your age. I was able to get a can of Unique for $50 !! However I have several cans of TiteGroup. I usually recharge my stack of .38's when I use up about 500 rounds. Luckily I don't have as many.44 cases available. As you mentioned the shooting budget is always a major concern. Next I will also fill up 800 .45 ACP cases. Perhaps another consideration would be how to cut cleaning time on revolvers . Also Berry 's bullets that get stuck in the barrel.

[@moushunter]

I haven't tried Titegroup yet. I'm an old codger that is stuck with the powders I've been acclimated to over the last 40 years reloading. I use a lot of IMR 700X (as far back as when it was Dupont 700X) I still have some Dupont rifle powders too. I bought 2 twelve pound kegs of 700X on a very special sale back in the mid 90s and still have a few pounds left, in good condition. I've loaded 12gauge, 32 acp, 380acp, 9mm, 38sp, 357Mag, 40S&W, and 45acp with it. It wasn't very good in the 40S&W. It is too fast for some of the polymer guns. It has been hard to find lately. I have a good stock of HP38 and Win231 too. I've taken a liking to Winchester's Clean244. My only complaint with it is a whitish ash at the muzzle on my Sig's. Other than that it is flawless. I also like PowerPistol for hotter 9mm and poly 9mms. I use IMR4227 for 44mag in a lever carbine. I tried IMR 800X in a few cartridges and in 20ga trap but it wasn't burning completely and was pretty dirty.

[@wannabe4668]

Well don’t leave powder in your dispenser

[@wannabe4668]

What about Accurate 2200??

[@tomcurran8470]

This is the powder recommended to me in 38 Special when I started Cowboy Action Shooting. The charge weight is so small that you get plenty of rounds per container. Feels like shooting a .22 with these Cowboy Loads. Clean also. I won't say what the loads are...look them up for yourself in the manuals.

[@alaskagundad7140]

Good powder. It really shines in 180 grain .40 subsonic suppressed. Low charge weight + fast burning = less volume, less heat, less pop, less noise. Longer the barrel the better. With the rise of 10mm, I think of .40 S&W as subsonic 10mm. Also tightgroup is very forgiving when reloading on mixed range pickup brass for training/local matches. Barrel length seems to not matter much outside of noise when suppressed .

[@guyminer3168]

Good to know! Thanks.

[@want2race441]

If you want want less felt recoil at the same power factor, pick literally ANY other powder. My least favorite powder. High nitro content, very very fast burning. Clays is better for 45acp. Universal is better for 40. Titegroup is also smokey by comparison with other powders.

[@stangaloski4208]

If you don't stuff .357 full of h110 your doing it wrong

[@guyminer3168]

Hmm, I just did that last week, again! Great powder for the magnum revolver cartidges, 357, 41 & 44!

[@mrstan3997]

Hi UR, I have used Titegroup for 380 acp, 9mm, 38sp and 40S&W with good results and clean burning. What primers do you recommend?

[@garysmith1157]

I shoot about 10K rounds a year of .45 ACP and 9mm in competition, and TiteGroup is my go-to powder for those calibers. It meters well and is pretty economical. However, when loading for .38 Special, I found the recoil impulse to be very snappy with bullets in the 148-158 grain range. On advice of some other serious wheelgunners, I started using Unique and found that recoil to far more of a shove than a snap. One thing to be careful of when loading TiteGroup in those big-volume cases is that the charge weights are low and take up very little volume. Especially if you use a progressive press, it's easy to throw a double charge and not know it. I found out the hard way (with a bulged cylinder being the only casualty) and now use a powder lock-out die on the press.

[@terrybaird3122]

I have a VERY large selection of powder simply because I like to tinker. Having said that, Titegroup is my chief go to load for 9mm and .45 ACP. I find it to be very clean burning. It is generally a very mild shooter. My wife will not shoot anything but Titegroup in her .45 1911s. I sometimes use Bullseye as it produces velocities and recoil more like the self-defense loads that I carry. My wife prefers 200 grain roundnose with Titegroup. I use 200 grain conical flat points. I had gotten behind on my loading and we were going to the range. I was in a hurry so I decided to load her cartridges as well as mine with Bullseye. She fired one magazine, turned to me with an accusing look and said, "did you change my load"? Busted. I do feel as if I am cheating with Titegroup in .45 ACP as it is so mild shooting. Unlike some commentors, I have never experienced it to be dirty in any load I have ever used, it has always been very clean. One thing I have noticed however is that spent cases are very hot if I pick them up too soon. I have never loaded for .38, .357, or .45 Colt with Titegroup. Your video has caused me to rethink that. The ES and SD you found in the large capacity revolver cartridges was impressive.

[@guyminer3168]

Ya, those ES & SD figures really got my attention when we took a look at the chrono data.

[@harveyimplom5239]

I have been using TiteGroup for a long time reloading 9mm Luger, 38 special and 357 a all with excellent results at the range for targets, I love it.

[@andrewmccall1120]

Tite group for my 9mm match loads all day long

[@bayoumike544]

What bullet are you using? I have some and haven't tried it yet as Im using W231 in my range loads.

[@russellkeeling4387]

I use my .357 loads in both pistol and rifle so I load pistol loads with powder that works well in my rifle. None of the fast burning powders are used.

[@mkshffr4936]

What are some of your favorite powders for 357 rifles?

[@Jermdizzle]

How do you have trail boss in 2024? I haven't seen it since 2019. No one should be talking about trail boss in any informative or educational video without mentioning that it doesn't exist anymore. At least in my opinion. I'm just salty that everyone "official" in the industry seems to pretend like it still exists while us average Joe's can't get any unless we had 30 lbs stockpiled prior to 2019.

[@TheDiamonddave2]

I've used Titegroup in 45 ACP and 9mm and they've performed very well. I changed to different powders so they'd have better case fill for safety when loading on a progressive machine. I didn't want to chance a double charge, for some reason with Titegroup, which wouldn't overfill the case. Using a slower powder would overflow the case and I'd be able to pick it up quicker.

[@guyminer3168]

A very worthwhile consideration.

[@mdd1963]

I switched from 231 to TG for .45 ACP for both USPSA Major loads (200 gr bullet at 840 fps) and steel plate loadings (200 gr bullet at 730 fps), and use about 20% less powder with TG for similar velocities... Major PF needed 5.7 gr of 231 but only 4.7 of TG, and steel plate loads needed 5.0 gr of 231, but only 4.0 gr of TG)

[@TheRealJimmy831]

I'm new to this reloading, using titegroup with 115gr bluebullet. I looked online and what not they gave a range to use. I just don't want to overcharge/undercharge any advice?

[@normrodriguez9306]

I want to load 44 Magnum with titegroup, but having trouble finding load data .... I'm new to reloading

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

I use Winchester 244 for 9mm 38 special 357 magnum 40 cal 44 magnum 44 special 45acp I noticed the case is dirty on the case what does that indicate?

[@thebenches360]

2.7gr is my magic number for TG. When I was developing light loads for .38SPL with 148gr WCs, and I started using Unique when I was 5yrs old(I'm 51 now), and Unique was always my go-to general pistol powder, but at 3.2gr of Unique it just wouldn't give a good burn, and could even squib, as the powder wouldn't light properly. 3.4gr is the lowest to get a clean burn. Had a pound of of TG(2010 Obozo shortage garbage, and couldn't get Unique, so tried TG), and took the loads down to 2.7gr, shot BEAUTIFULLY. Had gotten the Walther P99 Y2K(SN 310 of 2,000)in one of the 500 they made in .40, and figured I probably didn't wanna use that for an EDC as it was unfired, so she went in the safe, and traded one of my Charter .38s, and $50 for a SW99. Was working down loads for reliable, accurate plinking ammo, took it down to 2.7gr TG with 175gr cast boolits, 1in groups at 25yds, functioned flawlessly. Started loading for my buddy's 32-20 SW Hand Ejector pre Model 10, 2.7gr TG. So 2.7gr in .38SPL WC, 175gr .40SW, .32-20WCF, .32 Long, 9mm 124gr castall function flawlessly, and accuracy is superb. When I started on .45ACP loads, book listed 4.2gr as minimum, so I worked down from there in my Sig 1911 Target. Load 5, test 5, got all the way down to 3.0gr, and still cycled perfectly, though best accuracy is at 3.5gr with a 200gr cast SWCTL, 8 shots in a 1in square at 25yds. But TG is weird as large cases don't usually like "miniscule" loads of super fast burning powder. 4.5gr in a .44SPL is BEAUTIFUL. The only problem I found with the TG was in the 6.0gr loads under a 200gr cast RNFP in the .44Mag was I was getting a bit of gas cutting on the top strap of my 629. So I went back to Unique for my .44Mag lite loads, and relegated the TG to "lesser" loads in the other calibers, and less than 6gr using SPL cases in the .44. .45 Colt absolutely LOVES it "original" pressure loads, and cowboy action loads. And the fact I get 3,300 loads to the lb in most calibers I load it in is nothing to sneeze at!

[@guyminer3168]

Excellent info. Thank you. I'll watch for that top-strap cutting. That's best avoided!

[@garrettknox5266]

I use it in everything from 32acp to 454 Casull. It's always available and it works well in everything. I haven't found a super grouping load for my 454 yet but I get very acceptable accuracy with pretty much everything. I like big bore and I don't like recoil and it works great for that. However I do get a lot of residuals with published starting loads, particularly 38spcl.

[@guyminer3168]

Agree - it seems to burn considerably cleaner with loads closer to max. I've seen that with other powders as well.

[@MScholtz]

Now what about lever action please. Finding load data for my 44 mag lever action is very rare. I'm sure people with 38/356 or 45 long must have the same questions.

[@guyminer3168]

In our 357 magnum stories we almost always include a 20" lever action rifle. We've been getting about 400 fps higher velocity using the rifle instead of 4" revolvers. Also Hodgdon in both their manual and their online data shows a lot of loads for the 44 magnum carbine. Worth checking. Merry Christmas!

[@MScholtz]

@guyminer3168 Thanks, Guy. Have a blessed Christmas.

[@abee.s.corpus2455]

Guy demonstrates good technique for shooting a single action revolver (or a DA in SA mode) by using the support hand to run the hammer.

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks. The firing hand never has to break position that way. Helps me shoot better.

[@slotcarfan]

Used to load Unique but during Covid it was not available. Switched to Titegroup for target rounds in 9mm, 38 Spec and 45 ACP. Meters and shoots very well. For higher velocity rounds (for HP bullets) I use CFE Pistol since Titegroup has narrow velocity range. I load H110 in 357 with very goid results, but it is so fine it leaks out of my powder measure and messes up my bench.

[@guyminer3168]

Yes! I love the velocity of H110, but it's an interesting beast for sure.

[@scottscheuerman8714]

I have used titegroup in the 45 colt and got perty good accuracy and results from it for target loads it does do well I haven’t tried it in the other calibers you tried it in

[@907paintcom2]

someone should mention the possible risk of double charges. two small charges make one BIG one.

[@douglassmith6872]

I wonder if Tile Group would work in 85 grain Tokarev 7.62 x 25 ? Been using Unique

[@tonydevich7937]

I have a colt python in the colt, and thompson center sigle shot, it's a ball to shoot

[@308reloader5]

mauser 30-06 blows primer causing the bolt to jam 250 yards primer pocket loose kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWeVp5uwqs-kl9E

[@guyminer3168]

And this has what to do with the video about Hodgdon Titegroup powder in handguns?

[@andyhowe9549]

This is my favorite for 9mm parabellum. I like Accurate 7, but I find that it takes a larger charge, to get similar performance to the Titegroup.

[@907paintcom2]

with no risk of a double charge. no one seems to mention this about the TG.

[@viejo2a]

Very well done presentation, Guy. I’ve used TG for a long time in 9, 38 and 45 ACP rounds. I did some extensive testing several years ago and found that TG reacts unfavorably with the powder coat on cast bullets, so I don’t use it in those loads anymore unless they are destined to be shot immediately. I continue to use it frequently with plated and jacketed rounds. Merry Christmas! 🤛🏻🎄🎁🇺🇸

[@guyminer3168]

Good to know about the powder coating and Titegroup not playing well together. Thanks!

[@ja0298]

Do bench mark next please! I’ve been using benchmark now for a while in my 308

[@guyminer3168]

That's a good idea. The 308 reacts well to so many different powders. Typically I'll use Varget or RL-15.

[@markmeador1137]

I need to give this a try. I have been using Unique in my 357’s. Shots great but it is extremely dirty.

[@guyminer3168]

Yes, I've been using Unique for decades and still have a lot of it. "Shoots great but it is extremely dirty" is a great description.

[@johnreacher3756]

Unique: Often referred to as "flammable dirt".

[@timferguson593]

I have had similar results in my 45 colt. Good star line brass and a profile crimp die helped.