Testing Dyes on Figured Wood: Black Stain Base vs. Straight Color

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[@MashaT22]

Can you also do demo with different base colors other than black and brown underneath? It would be interesting to experiment with light colors as a base, as well s different shades of the same colors. I've never painted wood, but I have gotten interesting results when using a variety of base color paints on canvas, paper, clay, and other mediums. For the examples without the base colors would be good for painting different subjects on top because the figuring isn't as visible and won't blur out the painting. Have you ever painted, drawn, or used anything else to make abstract designs, murals, or other interesting subjects? You don't have to be Picsso or Van Gogh to paint something cool on a guitar! You could also add some neat textures. Lots of people use glitter, but how about other scraps of wood carved into cool shapes? Broken glass pieces? Using natural sponges, lace, wool, and other textures instead of your tag to paint texture over or under the main guitar color? I'd love to see you experiment with stuff like that. I've only found you in the last year, so I'm sure if you have ever done stuff like this TASTEFULLY, NOT GAUDILY, lol. My mom was a textile designer, painted wedding certificates, taught arts and crafts classes as a consultant, made custom paintings for adults/kids, etc. I have also taught crafting and jewelry making (particularly with glass and metal beading techniques), so I'm curious how borrowing from other art areas could be applied to your staining expertise. Wood burning designs and then staining on top could be really awesome. Just some food for thought to toss oitt there for you and others. I have never bud a guitar, but I hope to try -- and I'd love to bring my artistic side once I do! Anyway, great video. It's very helpful to see how one stain or a lack thereof can affect the main body color.

[@danandratis]

Derek thanks so much for taking the time to make this video, nice comparison! - Cheers from Canada

[@inmybox2023]

Thank you for this, I started making small wood boxes, and i just ordered some figured maple and dye after watching this vid

[@alwayslearning8365]

Thank you. I could have used this information when I built my last kit guitar. I went through a lot of trial and error before I got the result I wanted. This video will be quite helpful on future builds. 👍👍

[@ericctheartofnoise8613]

The clear you use will also bring out the natural stripping on the colors without the black base. I have done this vary same test with a few different clears. With darker colors, blue, red, and purple the black base first brings out the natural stripping more than lighter colors without. I have used Stew Mac clear, 2k, and epoxy on my projects. Clear will make the wood figuring pop more. The epoxy gives the figuring of the wood some depth. But either way, with the black base or not. It all determines on how bark you like the flame or quilt of the wood. I have even used a dark color as my back base and sanded it back. Then used a lighter color of the same dye to bring out the flaming of the wood. Once I hit it with the clear, the flaming pops out more without using a black base.

[@samlamingluthier]

I'd be super interested in seeing different options with white. This looked great, thanks for sharing!

[@johnjames1813]

Great demonstration. Thanks!!!

[@camsprocket]

thanks to you my two projects came out fantastic!!!! I would have never thought to use leather dyes for guitar finishes

[@richardwildeman1267]

Thanks so much for doing this!! I think my biggest takeaway from this was actually the black stain you're using. I've been frustrated by how every black stain I've tried seems to be more of a dark purplish kind of color, but this is totally black looking!

[@joetowers4804]

Thanks for these videos. I just got a DIY guitar kit from Musoo to work on over the winter. Thanks to your videos I got some Angelus dyes, but I'm worried on working on a veneered top. I think that after trying on scrap, I may just apply it directly after squeezing most moisture from the rag, without sanding back. I´m going to attempt a tobacco or desert sunburst, so any mistake will hopefully be covered in black. Also, I've read your advice for years in Projectguitar. Helpful as always!

[@stringedaz]

I am getting ready to stain my first guitar in the coming weeks, and I have been watching tons of your vids on the topic. Super informative. I am hoping that I can use some of your wisdom to help me do a decent job. I am going to try your "nuclear burst" technique with a black sanded under coat using angelus leather dye. Keep the vids coming!

[@TheGorillafoot]

Good stuff. Those dyes work awesome.

[@briansimpson8116]

Good class teach.👍😎 You're the best staining teacher.

[@WardWickford]

Great Video. This is exactly what I needed

[@tomasjones3755]

Excellent! This really helped me out. One day, maybe another comparison: Yellow and Orange, compared with Black or Brown base

[@DaveLovallo]

this is a great video! appreciate it. working on green goblin Ibanez RG, Purple, Greens Browns.

[@markbundy1694]

Old School, Love It👍🤘🏼🔥

[@markbundy1694]

We need moreeees!!!🎨🖼️👍🤘🏼

[@billholder1330]

How about using the black stain / sand back technique, but with the color stain, and then a light coat of colored stain over it for the burst effect? I'll have to give it a try. I really like what you did making the "burst" pattern by sanding back the dark stained areas, I am definitely stealing that trick!

[@daishan1234]

even the colors you say are splotchy, i think look great!

[@GlenDeanII]

Very cool... that orange on black looks literally like tiger stripes.

[@wombat6]

I like that you mentioned explicitly that the yellow/orange would look better with a brown base. When you put the yellow over the black, I found that kinda meh looking, and I did indeed remember you did yellow over brown a whole bunch of times. Something else (speaking of turquoise) which I'd love to see you do: ESP Guitars have a 7-string guitar model (Horizon FR-7 if you want to check it out) in a finish they call "black turquoise burst". On promotional pictures, it looks like a nice turquoise with a blue edge burst, in actual pictures either the whole guitar just looks blue, or the turquoise looks nice but the burst looks black, which looks way more boring. If you managed to do a nice vibrant turquoise with a nice blue edge burst, that would look awesome.

[@bjstein4242]

Been waiting for this one forever.. nice job for all those curious ..how does the application of clear change this outcome?. does it add to the non black side as far as depth?.. thanks for doing this one..

[@meloche1syndrome]

Here's an obscure question. Dye the wood filler, maybe a couple different. If you scrape the dyed grain filler in uniform directions, different directions for different colors, would those fillers go into different pores? Nodody steal my idea 😂

[@hkguitar1984]

Amazing, thank you again Derek. What would a base of dark purple or blue on the outer edges look like that is applied in a burst pattern with a natural center (used as the base instead of black), then sand back the burst as if it were black base, and then apply red over the entire top. My thinking is that the black base could be applied in a burst pattern before application of the main color stain. So many ways to skin this cat!

[@sandybriggs1795]

Fantastic videos, this was particularly helpful 👍🏻- all your videos I’ve watched are very informal. I’m hoping to do my Telecaster project with that blue/ black combo… would you be able to do a black/ blue burst ?? And have you posted somewhere where to get these leather dyes ??

[@timchapin6482]

There’s another Build video I’ve watched a few times. It’s for a Framus Panthera ll. In that one they actually “Bleached” the figured top before staining it Red, sanding back, then staining Blue to give it a multi dimensional looking Purple. They say the “Bleach” makes all the figure Pop even more. Any thoughts on what they used, I’m guessing grabbing the jug of Clorox from the laundry room is NOT the way to go with this…

[@markolmstead4709]

Not sure about bleach but zinsser makes a two part wood bleaching kit for around $12.

[@skredfox8531]

Nice Test! The Red looked so much better! Just want to ask, which of the color options does make the guitar top move more? In my small tests, it was possible to "kill" the 3D effect of the flame maple with a black undercoat. So I take a darker base color, then sand back und than i use the same color but a lighter variant for getting contrast and to preserve the moving of the flame.

[@VoyeurGuitars]

Great video Derek. What's your thoughts on using denatured alcohol vs naphtha for cleaning after sanding back the black?

[@larsdan]

Would love to see you recreate PRS River Blue

[@piptyson5512]

Nice examples here. If you were going for a forresty type green, I wonder if brown then green would work?

[@dancortes2164]

What do you think about using a Purple base with some Light Blue or a Light Rose dye? This angelus Dyes are amazing!!

[@_mysilentblue2227]

You need to reach out to Angelus and set up a Big D 12 bottle guitar kit with your recommended colors. By the looks of the Dye review pictures you are driving business to them that is for sure. Thanks for the content.

[@kickhammett7214]

Have you ever tried to dye a zebrano wood top ? can one use the same technic than the one used here on a brighter wood ?

[@leeslife1981]

I was wondering what a purple base sanded down and then Put yellow over it. If the purple would show through or it would just look dark ? Want something LSU themed ? What yall think ?

[@xkukubax]

Hey, can you do a video on making a burst using stains? Thanks for the excellent video.

[@amkhjogr5062]

Hi Great demo..... it does bring to mind a previous video with silky oak (Aussie lacewood - by the pinkish tones in the video, it looked to be southern silky oak) with a black dye sanded back with orange burst..... Given the demonstration here - would it be an idea to use dark brown instead of the black - sand back and add the orange? I was also wondering if an orange/pink mix (like a Padparadscha sapphire) is possible?

[@OtterlyFil]

Would it be possible to create Seafoam green / Surf green with Angelus dyes? How could I achieve this? What colours would I need? Thank you very much :)

[@donesry2902]

Do you ever apply a sanding sealer between colors?

[@hkguitar1984]

Could you try this again, but use black on both sides with on side using some white glue mixed into the black. Especially with the color yellow, you could see that some of the black was picked up when you applied the yellow (the T-Shirt piece used to apply the yellow was darkened by the black dye.

[@MrNickRowe]

Love this video... Would love to see the red done with black, blue, purple and brown bases

[@MrNickRowe]

Just thinking colour theoryish stuff... Blue with a purple base... Green with a blue base...

[@skidogbill]

Do you take in jobs? I’m making a flame maple pickguard that I am adding to a quilt top, and I think I want to match the colors of the existing top (kind of an aqua with dark blue edge burst).

[@michaelwallace1189]

I'm about to do two Kimball tops in green burst. Would a dark blue undercoat be a good idea opposed to black?

[@grade43podcast]

great video. You mentioned the shirt was washed 50 times. Is that to imply it's soft?

[@markyogan8747]

my biggest problem is dealing with patchy areas of end grain around the edges of solid body mahogany. I have tried grain filler (crystalac) and worked it in well, dried and light sanded smooth with 400, then stain and still patches where the stain absorbed in different shades. What am I doing wrong ?

[@SteveResor]

I've had to watch this a few times. Really hard to Choose.. They would all look Great on a Guitar depending on the look Your going for ?? I do Really like The Blue , Green , Red and Brown on Black. Have You thought of doing a " Maple Burst " like the Leaves are turning colors in the Fall ??

[@billyfrancese4536]

Could you please tell me your opinion on which Angelus dye would be closest to an Amber Finish. In one video you said that Tan was a nice Amber. I guess my question is,,between Tan and Orange,,what one do you think would be a better Amber Color ?

[@abeldasilva9368]

Hi Big D, In memory of my brother I have an ash body Stratocaster that needs TLC.I wanted to get a pick guard with a tiger on it .Plus the ash body with an orange Tiger kind of finish.If I understand this video correctly.Base coat of brown 3 coats at least ,then sand with 320.Then apply orange leather dye a couple of times at least.Anything else after this?Is there a big difference when the same dye is used on the two different kinds of wood such as ash & maple?

[@frixx22]

Are you always using brown and black base or you can do grey as well? I want to do turquoise but I'm not sure what to put under yet. I'm a big fan of grey but I feel like it will look off a bit. Any advice?

[@bzbzob]

Anyone know how brown under blue looks? I am looking around, mostly black base so far.

[@hkguitar1984]

Could you mask off 1/2 of each test board and then expose them to UV light. I've heard some of the Angelus color dyes noticeably fade when exposed to UV.

[@davidmurray9193]

I'm building a kit with quilted maple top, I want a white guitar so how would I make the quilt pop out with white?

[@user-rs9vd3xe9g]

Instead of black dye, what if we use a darker colour of the main dye? Would be also interesting result?!!

[@timonator9929]

can you stain a 0.5mm veneer black then sand it off? or is it to thin

[@cz875]

I have a question that maybe you have tried or would just know from your experience. Could you Dye with lets say Purple, and sand it back to fill the grain, and then say use that green you used in this video over top of it? Would the purple actually look purple or would it just be muddy? Not gonna lie, I am looking for an Incredible Hulk color scheme (2 favorite colors). Any insight is greatly appreciated.

[@robertburkhart1420]

What would happen if you burned the wood then sanded them dyed ?

[@WawakGuitar]

I bet if you used a dark amber for the sanded back base, it would have looked more realistic.

[@ZeginMakesMusic]

Next, do black wood filler!!

[@jjcastleberry3662]

I was wondering why the colors..... then I noticed a guitar. I was thinking of end table/coffee table furniture.

[@partyxplays]

Is it possible to make a red blue burst by having a dark cherry red as the bass and a blue on top?

[@raoulduke8382]

I think that would end up more purple than anything else. Like a darker blue with purple grain. Maybe?

[@partyxplays]

@@raoulduke8382 hmm I mean it would be awesome if I got a redish blue burst successfully. If all else fails I have another burst in mind. A violet blue burst. PRS have done it before with a few of their guitars.

[@matthewf9500]

Great video.

[@lucasalati369]

Which dyes are you using?

[@tawneyaldubais]

Wold this work with a Shou Sugi Ban technique?

[@jackValentine189]

Maybe you can do a '59 les paul after Jimmy page's #1. I'm about to tackle it... flamed top bismark brown over lemon yellow base but after seeing this I'm thinking 'medium brown' over yellow.. as there is no red in the above mentioned guitar

[@TheLchbomb]

I want green and blue, but what color would you recommend for one of those bad cat zebrawood guitars ??

[@TheLchbomb]

Is color stain even OK for that zebrawood, do you recommend a certain type of color product for zebrawood composite?

[@russellsamson4100]

What stain are you useing?

[@animalmother9945]

What stain are you using?

[@caseybever]

So, if using the Purple Angelus dye you do not recommend using the black first and sanding back? I am doing this tonight.

[@sungsupaek]

How did this turn out? Doing something similar in the coming weeks

[@caseybever]

@sungsupaek It turned out great! I did not do a black base first. The dye is dark enough. I did end up mixing three types of dye. One straight from the bottle, one with a few drops of black dye mixed in, and one cut with isopropyl alcohol to dilute by 50%. I did base color, sanded back with 600 and then did 50% dye. I then did a "burst" with the dye with black added and blended with Steele wool between light coats. It turned out better than I ever expected. If you screw up, just sand it off. But do go-to hard on the sanding. The veneers are thin.

[@christopherspohn7932]

This is just like the yoga thing where they meditate red - orange - yellow - green - blue, meditate up there spine on those colors. Weird thought, just sorry about being a oddball.

[@Or3guns]

Are all these stains leather dye???

[@Happyfingcampers]

Have you done a red base with the yellow?

[@bigdguitars]

This is closish. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZylp6Obp72NaqMsi=mJgPtT8A-yNc_iXK

[@trailrideadventures]

What about orange, not many orange guitars out there.

[@spencerludman3915]

Couldn’t you take some black printer ink mix some water and put that down?

[@Bass-guitarist]

At 07:15 into the vid, there are millions of wasps creating a formal grievance against your channel………….

[@amos660]

I wonder what would happen with white instead of black. Would it stay white?