Testing FSD 13.2.2 on very snowy roads in Canada!

[@OCMike]

Pretty dang impressive!

[@frankfortino1405]

Keep making videos of your tests. Good job.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I am planning on it. Thanks for the encouragement!

[@jessicajensen1006]

A MASSIVE improvement since I last saw it on snowy roads! Wow!

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Well said!!

[@vinh291]

Amazing

[@kkulkulkan5472]

Awesome video. Haven’t had a chance to try it on snowy roads yet but so far FSD 13.2.2 has been flawless.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

While it is not perfect, it is close enough that I believe we are close to unsupervised FSD!

[@petemiller519]

Good ol' Walkerton. I used to live out East in my university days in the 80's...lol. Loved Ontario, except the winters were long and cold. Beautiful towns, small cities, and historical buildings. Cheers from Osoyoos, BC. :)

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@ChevyTaripe]

Looking great. Have you tried it in snow covered multi lane roads yet? I'm in Alaska, last time I tried it was with v12. It was kinda scary as it was speeding through roads without regard on road surface and not doing well with multi lane snow covered roads.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

There aren't a lot of two lane roads in our small town, and they are usually cleared first, so I haven't had a chance to test it out yet with the new version. Hopefully I will find myself able to test it soon and will post a video if I do!

[@abbcc555]

This looks very promising.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I agree! It is getting noticeably better with each update. It is already almost capable of driving itself in a wide variety of situations, and is already better than some drivers I know. This may happen sooner than we think!

[@truejim]

The car doesn’t need to see lane markers or roadsides if the map-date is up-to-date and if precision GPS is available in that area. The car knows where the lanes are to with centimeters, even if the cameras were to go blind.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I have not heard that Tesla uses GPS for lane location and navigation. Where did you hear this info?

[@truejim]

For any self-driving system that follows a map (whether it's a car, a robot, or a Roomba vacuum) there's a step in the self-driving process called SLAM (Simultaneous Localization & Mapping) where the platform needs to reconcile what it's seeing through its various perception systems (such as cameras or lidars) to what the platform has recorded as the known map. So it's not that Telsa uses GPS for lane location per se, it's that the SLAM process combines all information (map, GPS, sensors) to achieve what's called "state estimation" to determine the platform's location and orientation within the known map. I don't have inside knowledge of how TESLA implements SLAM (I'm sure that's highly proprietary) but it they're not using the incoming GPS data as part of the SLAM process, that would be truly weird. It'd be like internationally ignoring some of your sensors; if you have the data, you're going to make it part of the input to the SLAM process. For self-driving cars, the version of high-precision GPS that's often used is called Real-Time Kinematic (RTK) GPS. RTK augments the GPS data that comes from satellites with ground-based reference stations to provide centimeter-level accuracy. If you were in a very remote rural area, RTK might not be available. But in most countries with advanced infrastructure (Canada, USA, EU, Japan, etc.) the RTK networks are very robust. Bottom line: a Telsa driving over a completely unplowed snowy road in a suburb would still be able to determine where the lanes are by integrating RTK GPS data as part of its SLAM process.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Cool! Thanks for The detailed information!

[@KOTNEmpire]

Is this with or without winter tires??

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

With winter tires. Here on the snowbelt, they are a must! Thanks for watching!

[@KOTNEmpire]

@@AnotherNerdyCanuck just picked up my model s plaid a few days ago and haven't purchased the winters yet

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Nice!! Hope you enjoy it!!

[@KOTNEmpire]

@AnotherNerdyCanuck thanks. So far so good

[@michaelblozen8472]

ok... great (and I got one... (Y)). but what do you mean it changed its mind at 4:10 in the video??

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I had adjusted the routing, so the previous plan was to turn right. After I changed the destination, the correct action was to turn left. This change happened after it had just started to turn right, but it was able to make the correction part way through the turn. Good question!

[@alvaroee14]

What year of model Y?

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

2024. It has the 4th generation self driving hardware called AI 4 which I believe has been out for a couple of years. Any vehicle with that hardware and this update should be capable of this. Thanks for watching!

[@sylvaing1]

Can't wait to try its little sibling, V12.6 on our snowy roads. Common Tesla, push it to Model 3 and Y already!

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I am curious how much improvement the HW3 vehicles will see! I have high hopes! Let me know once you try it?

[@sylvaing1]

@@AnotherNerdyCanuck There are reports out already. It handles similarly to 13.2.2 without the unpark and park, including the left turn on red lights when safe to do so.

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Awesome!!

[@mtenemy18]

I came all the way from Quebec to New York with FSD 13.2.2. My advice is not to hit the snowy road with FSD. It doesn’t recognize snowy surface, it slips and frequently head toward road skirts, it doesn’t properly defrost when snow frosts on your windshield so that your FSD is dismissed due to the camera vision issue (the problem is you also cannot see properly in the middle of the road), and the last but maybe the most significant, the trip schedule Tesla automatically provides sometimes includes a supercharger that may not be open during the time of your visit (it happened to us at center valley, NJ with 7% battery at 15F temperature at 1:30 am. It was such an horror).

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

Thanks from sharing your experience! It seemed ok in town but must not handle the highway roads as well. Cheers!

[@kc-me6wl]

as much as i want fsd - i don't think id ever trust it for conditions like this...

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

It reminds me of when I was teaching my kids to drive. At first it was terrifying, and I would never drive with them in poor weather. But as they gained experience and became better drivers, I was fine with it. With FSD, it's going to keep learning but it's never going to forget, and eventually it will have millions of lifetime's worth of driving experience and be way more trustworthy than any human!

[@jebes909090]

@@AnotherNerdyCanuck it will never be more trust worthy. our meat brains outperform it constantly and it has huge warhouses full of supercomputers and billions of miles of 'experience'. elon said that they've run out of human information to process and are now processing synthetic data. its probably as good as its gonna get.

[@JordanBarden-whoiam]

Is it actually that difficult to see the roads, or is that just the video?

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

The video is an accurate indicator of how difficult the roads are to locate! Thanks for watching!

[@zkatbyte]

The video, whites look blown out

[@AnotherNerdyCanuck]

I know it looks that way, but that is exactly what it looks like driving. I didn't edit them any brighter - that is just what I saw during the drive,

[@zkatbyte]

⁠ you wouldn’t need to, digital cameras struggle with brightly lit snow blowing it out as they don’t capture enough dynamic range to proper represent it. I’ve recorded enough video in snow to notice it

[@truejim]

The car knows where the road is via the car’s precision GPS, not via what the car sees using its cameras.