🇬🇧 Testing LGA 1151 boards for QQLS, QTJ1 mutants - Z170, Z270, B365, Z370 | 2 vs 4 memory modules

[@Tavito_de_ARG]

Man... Thanks for taking that amount of time to show us your conclusion... Please continue with this and we will continue watching and like them !!!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks Gustavo!

[@pscoriae6981]

wow, I've actually been thinking about this exact topic for quite some time now. Thanks!

[@notfunny3397]

Thanks man, I found some qtj1 with exposed die/crystal for 145 usd. With a Asus z170-p I'm planning to run it with mce and maybe even some light overclocking if the usb ports don't get too hot

[@Miyconst]

Good luck with the build!

[@notfunny3397]

@@Miyconst thanks, I have a question, I can get a h270 board for a lot cheaper (like -50usd shipping and -25usd board price) So for 75usd instead of 150. The particular one is asrock h270 pro4. According to the AliExpress seller of CPU, it was compatible. The question I have is, can I overclock on this motherboard like your b365 motherboard. I don't intend to overclock very high, I've never tried it before and just want to do it for fun. If not overclocking can I at least undervolt it, so it won't be running very hot? I'm sorry if I am asking too much. But last question, if you don't know about this, can I check if overclocking and voltage control would work, using the coffee time application?

[@Miyconst]

Sorry, I can't comment on the H series motherboards, since I have not tested it myself, but as far as I know, it's possible.

[@notfunny3397]

@@Miyconst thank you very much for your answer.

[@michaelgabrielgarcia1004]

Hows this set up running for you?

[@doorooroodoo3730]

MSI Gaming Z170 Krait Gaming bios for qtj1 Thank you for these useful videos

[@manaphylv100]

I have a couple of motherboards to recommend for and against. Recommended: Gigabyte Z270 Phoenix Gaming. Easily overclocks my i9-9980HK retail/QS to 5.0 GHz (w/ AVX -1) using a built-in BIOS profile for the i7-7700K, zero tweaking required for 100% stability. Voltage is dynamic depending on load (0.725~1.475 V; ~1.25 V sustained in Handbrake and Prime 95 w/ AVX), and temperatures are totally acceptable on air cooling. It's just the easiest motherboard I've used so far, and it looks great to boot. Avoid: Asus Strix Z370-E/F/G/H. Pathetic BIOS, overvolts so much that the CPU would hit 100°C and throttle to 3.9 GHz at stock settings. Custom boost tables don't work properly (loses frequency after sleep), AVX offset doesn't work at all. Adaptive and offset voltage settings don't work, only manual static voltage holds, which results in much higher idle power consumption. The BIOS also resets itself whenever you change anything in the system, even if you just remove a memory stick or GPU and put it back into the same slot, which is very annoying.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the info! Now I can say for sure that my Gigabyte Z170 is just a pathetic motherboard, and not all Gigabyte motherboards are silly bad with the mutants.

[@TeDdxYyZ]

Hello, what is your opinion about the motherboard Asus Prime Z270-A ? I think she have a good VRM for the mutants unlocked.

[@manaphylv100]

@@TeDdxYyZ I had no experience with that board, but I would stay away from Asus, especially the budget models like Prime. Their BIOS is just pathetic.

[@Miyconst]

@@TeDdxYyZ I have not tested Asus Prime Z270-A myself, but it seems to have a decent VRM, should be enough with correct frequency and voltage for these mutants.

[@TeDdxYyZ]

Thanks for your replies !

[@wikinger2012ttv]

amazing work as always thx!

[@stephanematis]

Very nice work!

[@John.N]

Nicee...👍👍👍

[@atilla101uk]

Thanks for the video Miyconst but could you recommend a mutant for ASUS z170i pro gaming thanks in advance and as always great content!!!

[@Miyconst]

I think, QTJ2 would be a perfect fit for this motherboard, check if you can get one for a good price.

[@atilla101uk]

@@Miyconst about £70 or roughly €83 thanks again for the quick reply you are one of the best tech-tubers out there

[@Miyconst]

That's a bit pricey, but if you can avoid VAT, it's a good value. Good luck with the build!

[@atilla101uk]

@@Miyconst it’s to replace a 6600k that I think is slowing down a 1660S anyways thank you again and keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍👍

[@frankcastle123]

Is there a cheap mainboard (sub $100, used) you would recommend for a 8-core mutant? BTW, thank you for your great content!

[@Miyconst]

I can't paste links here, but search for MSI Z370-A Pro.

[@milescarter7803]

Were your memory sticks dual rank? If they were single rank that could explain why 4 sticks showed improvement. 2x Dual rank (usually 16GB) modules would probably show the best result.

[@Miyconst]

Honestly, it was so long ago that I don't remember.

[@mikeymaiku]

While im a little sad my asus z170 maximus viii impact couldnt post with a binned QQLS i had to settle for the QTJ1 but for 200 canadian for a board with pretty good power delivery. I can say im satisfied...specially once i dial in ram speeds/timing. Thank you for having all these benchmarks. And posting in multiple languages as theres very little info on any of these chips besides the QQLS and QCNT(?).

[@Miyconst]

I am glad to hear that you found the video helpful.

[@mikeymaiku]

@@Miyconstsuper quick update : was able to acheive 4.4ghz with 2800 ddr4 (let it auto everything else) but weirdly i had to run a -0.100 offset in xtu mainly due to auto/ "stock" settings hit 1.43+ like you have seen. I have not tried more but im fairly certain with time i can dial in 4.6+ going closer to 1.38v...ish. Thanks once again this platform has been very fun to play with!

[@elrubent]

My favorite podcast

[@atilla101uk]

Sorry Miyconst but I've started gathering parts for a build based on a BGA mutant and I wondering which one would be the best the parts I have so far amassed are Asus Z270i Strix, Noctua NH-D15 Chromax, 32GB dual-channel DDR4 3200 corsair LPX, Silverstone SFX-L SST-SX800-LTI and a 1TB Sabrent Rocket Q, so I saw your reply to my earlier question with regards to the Z170i that you would recommend the QTJ2 for that board just wondering if that recommendation would change due to the newer and better Z270i board? thanks again, keep up the good work, and thanks for having a great channel.

[@Miyconst]

No, that recommendation does not change, I still recommend QTJ2, but QTJ1 is also an option if you want to invest more and can arrange good airflow over the VRM zone.

[@atilla101uk]

@@Miyconst I was thinking of the jonsbo jonsplus i100 pro 6 fans total 3 120mm at bottom and 3 120mm at the top in a vertical cooling stack flow

[@atilla101uk]

@@Miyconst OH and would I still need a CH341a programmer to do the bios if I have a chip that is natively supported already to update the bios to accept the QTJ*

[@Miyconst]

@@atilla101uk this does not guarantee anything, you need to check the VRM temps and airflow over the VRM zone.

[@Miyconst]

@@atilla101uk if the motherboard has removable BIOS chip and you have got a spare BIOS chip from the seller with supported BIOS - no CH341A needed, you can simply swap the chips.

[@moochiekk]

Great info, thanks.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support.

[@cis9222]

Any idea if this cpu in a desktop motherboard has virtualization capabilities? For example for a VMs server? This would be a great cheap option for a multi core server

[@estasnozes]

Yup, i run a qtj1 with hyper-v and gpu-pv just fine

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

So considering how much mainstream parts have increased in price, do you think this is a more viable choice compared to about a year ago? ie. vs an AMD build

[@Miyconst]

It's all subjective. In my case, I can often see i5-10400F and Ryzen 5 5600X discounted, which makes these CPUs to be a far better deal than QQLS.

[@michaelgabrielgarcia1004]

Liked and subbed! Super informative, your hard work is appreciated! I'm sure you get a ton of questions so don't feel obligated to respond (I'm still trying to research it myself) but any insight on potentially using a mutant for my ASrock Z170M Pro4s?? I'm a photographer who DIY'd/built his own rig, I have a few editing programs that are extremely taxing/resource hungry on the CPU and my overclocked i5 6500 is struggling.

[@Miyconst]

You can install QQLT/QQLS mutant, most likely. QTJ2/1/0 should also work, but I have heard about different issues when pairing QTJ_ CPUs with Z170 motherboards, thus I don't recommend it.

[@michaelgabrielgarcia1004]

@@Miyconst Much appreciated, I will look into the QQLS as my primary upgrade goal.

[@michaelgabrielgarcia1004]

@@Miyconst Update, installed a QTJ1 in my rig with a modded bios and now working flawlessly!

[@DerPancake234]

I have MSI Z370-A Pro together with i5-8600k and RTX 2080 TI. Do you think it would be worth upgrading to QQLS or QTJ1?

[@Miyconst]

It really depends on which games you play and which tasks you perform using the PC.

[@magnuspettsson]

Best informative channel about Xeons for sure, by the way do you know if Huhananzi X99 zd4 can handle E5 2667 V4 tdp 135w and E5 2697a V4 tdp 145w?

[@Miyconst]

Thanks! I would not recommend X99-ZD4 for these high TDP CPUs. It may handle them for a short while, but surely not during long periods of high load.

[@magnuspettsson]

@@Miyconst Thanks which motherboard you would you recommend for these two cpu´s?

[@Miyconst]

@@magnuspettsson ideally I would recommend something branded, but from the Chinese options you can take Huananzhi X99-TF/F8/AD4/BD4.

[@magnuspettsson]

@@Miyconst Thanks

[@CastiumAFK]

how u can reach 2800 on all plates? mine is a Z370 PC PRO and only can reach 2666

[@Miyconst]

You might have got a bad CPU sample, with these mutants it's very random.

[@CastiumAFK]

@@Miyconst thats rare because im getting nice voltages with 4.9ghz and working perfect, maybe my RAM is not Lucky at all with those mutants, but no problem at all, thank you great video 😊

[@mikeymaiku]

@@CastiumAFK yeah i got a xeon 2286m thats stuck with pcie gen 2.0, the option for 3.0 isnt even there on a h310 chipset. shits random AF

[@atilla101uk]

Sorry to be a pain Miyconst but could I ask if a Noctua C14s would be ok to cool these bare mutants, what I mean is would the mounting pressure be ok or is there a chance of cracking the die with the securfirm mounting

[@Miyconst]

Noctua is known for their high quality coolers, thus I would not expect any issues, the mounting is physically limited to don't overpressure CPU. Nevertheless you still have to be careful, if the CPU doesn't have the correct hight you still may crack it, but it's unlikely.

[@RANDOM-ix6pn]

Your channel probably don't grow up to fast. But in this case is because your content requeries more smarter and knowledge people. And that this people want to learn. I think is better a solid and no toxic community instead a big community without this qualifty. Saddly youtube and many people want the things to easier. Please make a video talking about you, what do you do outside the PC, may be a little part of your history. Something like "20 things about me". Good job!!🤟

[@RANDOM-ix6pn]

A request: I have a QQLT at 4.8GHz,and the frequency cache at 4.5Ghz with a gigabyte b365m aourus elite and two sticks of ram (dual channel mode) at 2400mT/s CL 17 (chepaer sticks). All is working perfectly. I want to buy 2 sticks with the same frequency but with CL 14, and i planning overclock the ram to 2600 or 2666 with a CL15 or CL 16. But i have a problem 😣 I experiment with the ram speed, i push up the voltage of IMC and sticks to reach 2600mT/s, after few errors, i found the correct voltage for me (IMC: 1.090V=1.096V effective, RAM: 1.28V= 1.26-1.272V effective) and the PC boots perfectly fine, i did some memtest with testmem5 and XTU integrated mem bench and everything right. Y played games and again neither a blue screen nor unexpected blocked programs. If a turn on de PC through windows, or even when a enforce the turn off, always when a i turn on the PC the speed is working just like a set up. But when a i manually reset through windows, even when the system is working fine, the mother delays to start. My motherboard has 4 phases of boot, CPU>DRAM>VGA>BOOT. When a restart, it stays in DRAM and few times after starts and it reconfings the sticks to 2133mT/s. The only way to restore the 2400 or 2600 is clear CMOS. Why is happening this? Is it Windows?. Thanks for reading

[@Miyconst]

I think I have had a few similar issues with too tight timings. In some cases it helped to manually set all timings, so the PC doesn't have to figure it out itself. In the other cases I had to relax the timings in order to make it boot / reboot 100% stable. Regarding a video about myself.. I don't think many will be interested, and publishing a video with little views is very bad for the channel due to the stranger KZbin algorithms. For example, if I publish a popular video, KZbin suddenly starts to promote my old videos as well, but if I publish a niche technical thing with just a few views, KZbin stops promoting even the popular videos.

[@RANDOM-ix6pn]

@@Miyconst Okay, i will try this advice, thank you!!. And about the video, at the end is your choice, but i I will lose hope. And about You tube, you have been in this platform a least one year. You do what you want in you tube, and many other KZbinrs don't that because his goal is achieve many viewers. You are teaching, and this my friend can help in ways that you nevermind. For example, for people like you, i have been learning during the quarentine about the PC and hardware. Now a i get a very well Job like a boss in sells and technical support. So thanks!🤟

[@brunorory6254]

Thanks for this video! im building a mini itx build. Whats the best i5 10400f with msi h510 motherboard. Or some lga 115x motherboard with QQLS, or QQJ1 cpu?

[@Miyconst]

I would go with the i5 if you want less issues and QTJ2 if you want something to tweak with.

[@X1th]

Здравствуй! Есть смысл менять z170iPG на tuf B365m gaming plus в плане разгона памяти? Сейчас имею 3066mhz 12-12-12-32-240

[@Miyconst]

Ні, поточні результати вже дуже непогані, перехід на B365 нічого не додасть.

[@erzsebetbiro7153]

After changed BIOS in this motherboards to using QQLS, than how to reverse back the BIOS to use a desktop 9700K processor in the motherboard? I was unsuccesfull using the external clip method . Should I use a USB flash drive BIOS change method?

[@Miyconst]

You can definitely try to use the built-in BIOS update tool, if you can boot your system with a mutant.

[@jeffreybowers5646]

You may have answered this in a different video, but what is the difference between the QQLS and the QTJ1?

[@Miyconst]

QQLS - 6 Cores, Coffee Lake. QTJ1 - 8 Cores, Comet Lake.

[@jeffreybowers5646]

@@Miyconst ah! Thought they were both 8

[@ruidiscos7859]

Hello Friend. I´m Trying to make an Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha (z170) to boot again a mutant. It was working fine, and after an Windows Update, it stops to boot with mutant cpu, but with a normal cpu 7th and a BIOS recovery, it works. But cant use a mod BIOS anymore. What is happening? The motherboard try to boot, a lot of codes pass, then 64-61-BO and stops. The CPU is getting hot, so it almost working... Some chip in the motherboard is holding the changes, and creating conflict with the modified BIOS. I've tried a lot mod BIOS version (made in coffetime), and when I read the chip after try a boot, it returns different. Do not match with buffer. What can I do?

[@Miyconst]

What do you mean by "can't use the mod BIOS any more"? It would be much easier to help if you could join my DIscord and explain the issue there with screenshots.

[@ps3customgamer]

I’m having trouble getting a asus z370 to boot with a qtj1 installed. Works fine on a asrock z170 but I think there is a wattage limit that keeps triggering a crash. Can you help me build a bios compatible please

[@Miyconst]

There is a lot of different Asus Z370 motherboards, which one are you talking about?

[@shaqker8777]

If you had to order these processors from best to worst, what would be the order that you would give them in relation to price / quality? QTJ0, 9TH COFFEE LAKE US $159.00 Multiplier 8-47 base 2.8Ghz Unlocked QTJ1, 10TH COMET LAKE US $173.94 Multiplier 8-46 base 2.1Ghz Unlocked SRFD0, I9-9980HK 9TH COFFEE LAKE US $169.00 Multiplier 8-50 base 2.4Ghz Unlocked SRFCZ, Xeon E-2286M 9TH COFFEE LAKE US $159.00 Multiplier 8-50 base 2.4Ghz Locked

[@Miyconst]

These all seem to have very similar performance, thus I would pick the cheapest QTJ0 or the Xeon, where you don't have to bother with O.C. and it's a final version, not ES.

[@hugomouteira7015]

Hello! Nice video! You got yourself a new subscriber! I was wondering if you could enlighten me about somwthing. I am really tempted to buy a QTB2 (10900kSE) from aliexpress. Do you think its worth it buying over a 7900x or even a 7940x? Im afraid that the qtb2 dies on me...

[@Miyconst]

Welcome to the channel. I would suggest you to go with QTB_, pick the 0, 1, 2, depends on how much frequency you need. Stay away from X299, it's a dead platform

[@hugomouteira7015]

@@Miyconst thank you! I also think the qtb is the best option, but since Ive seen 2 people on Aliexpress stating that the qtb2 cpu died after 1 week and 1 month of usage Im a bit afrais because of that. On the other hand, with the 7900x or 7940x on aliexpress they would give me 1 year warranty. Do you think that the probability of qtb2 stopping to work is low? Thats my only problem xD

[@Miyconst]

Personally, I have not heard from anyone about a dead QTB CPU. My Italian partner has assembled dozens of computers with these engineering samples, not a single one dead. Still, AliExpress is AliExpress, and if warranty is important for you - buy from the local stores.

[@ivanchimeno290]

Hello, why does my qtj1 processor not eceed 1800 points in cinebench r15? My motherbord is gigabyte z270 hd3p

[@Miyconst]

Did you check CPU frequency and temps under load?

[@ivanchimeno290]

@@Miyconst @4.8 and temps do not exceed 90°C

[@Miyconst]

@@ivanchimeno290 Is it under load? On all 8 cores? Perform CPU-Z validation and share the link.

[@Автоумники]

Дружище, подскажи как ты подружил MSI z370 a pro с процессором qtj1? У меня сборка не включается (((

[@Miyconst]

Який БІОС, яка ОЗП? Чи була плата та процесор протестовані окремо?

[@Автоумники]

@@Miyconst какой bios я не знаю. Компьютер не включается. Поэтому не могу посмотреть. Оперативная память Crucial Ballistix 2x8 Gb. Отдельно материнская плата точно работала. Процессор новый я купил и нигде не тестировал. Если у тебя есть рабочий bios для этого процессора, то очень прошу поделись им, пожалуйста.

[@Miyconst]

Тобто, ти намагаєшся запустити мутант зі стоковим БІОС? 😲

[@Автоумники]

@@Miyconst ну получается, что так. Я вот и думаю, что может bios у меня какой-то не такой. А он должен со стоковым bios работать?

[@Miyconst]

Ні, для мутантів треба робити модифікований БІОС і прошивати за допомогою програматора.

[@MiryzengPrimerpc]

Hola tengo un pregunta esixte alguna otra clase xeon no sepamos?

[@denzeldelaetup]

Super!))

[@pedro_fjr]

Thanks

[@TechBasic111]

my friend, take my sub and my thumb up, great contents

[@Miyconst]

Thank you and welcome to the channel!

[@TechBasic111]

@@Miyconst the uncore speed I tested myself in win10, if the power plan is not at high performance, the speed dropped from 4400 in bios to 2700 in win, even when testing with Aida64 memory test. Changed power plan to high performance the uncore speed stays at 4400 in windows just like in bios. You can check again with your setup. Mine is QQLT with z270 taichi.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the tip, I will double check it, but I have done all my tests with the High Power plan in Windows.

[@TechBasic111]

@@Miyconst well then maybe it is the board ... it's just a bad board :D

[@00zero557A]

Would it makes sense to go from i7 8700 to qtj1? I have a h310c board. Thanks!

[@Miyconst]

No. The motherboard is too weak.

[@erigabu]

what is the music in the end? is nice (to my ear).

[@Miyconst]

Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nou3pYOVq8qbgaM

[@GustavoSilva-ot6om]

why do we need to disable the management engine to use interposers CPU?

[@Miyconst]

Probably because it doesn't work correctly, I have never needed IME, thus I didn't bother to check.

[@zueragamesinsano3853]

Do you know the microcode for cpu 8th and 9th ? I5 8400 and i5 9400

[@Miyconst]

I don't remember it out of my head, but it's easy to find online. With the regular CPUs you also have to do some physical modifications to make it work with LGA 1151 V1, keep that in mind.

[@i1hack]

Qtj2 if I'm not wrong

[@eduardofelipe7339]

Pesquisa no Google seu lixo

[@Theblackquack]

Could you recommend some motherboards for 8 core mutants please?

[@Miyconst]

Which ones should I pick from? Pricing and availability is very different in different regions.

[@Theblackquack]

@@Miyconst from chinese shops are not avaible good motherboard for QQLS 5ghz overclock? I'm from italy But no problem to buy from chinese shops

[@Theblackquack]

Hi Kostiantyn 😃 I bought an asus z170-p d3 because i found a good offer on ebay from a dutch seller. Currently on the Asus Z170-p d3 motherboard I mount an i5 6500 and a Ddr3l 8gb 1600mhz cl11 1.35v cl11 module of Samsung M378B1G73EB0-YK0 that my cousin gave me. As for the purchase of ddr3 ram compatible with mutants cpu, do I have to take some precautions for choosing the right ram? Could rams with voltages higher than 1.35 volts damage the cpu memory controller of mutants in the long run (as happens for the skylake and kabylake retail processors) ? Do you recommend some ddr3 chips in particular to be preferred to others for greater compatibility with mutant cpu? Could there be problems mounting ram of different brands?

[@josiasb.332]

Muito bom!

[@AbdAlgani1999]

do you think this cpus will work in hackintosh?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, it works with macOS, I have validated 🙂.

[@AbdAlgani1999]

@@Miyconst niiiice thank you very much

[@BushidoBrownSama]

Anyone know if these can work in h370 motherboards?

[@Miyconst]

It should, you can always try to mod your BIOS with Coffee Time. If it works - most like it will accept the mutant CPUs.

[@BushidoBrownSama]

@@Miyconst thx!

[@pierobonisoli9067]

Great video! Keep it up! I am hoping for a return of the QTJ2 on AliExpress.

[@Miyconst]

QTJ2 is a great CPU when priced right, unfortunately Chinese started to overprice it due to its popularity.

[@Luislopez82s]

The subtitles is in Vietnamitan, i don't understand video ☹️

[@Miyconst]

The subtitles are available from the automatic KZbin translation, you can select almost any language.

[@TeDdxYyZ]

Well, QQLS or QTJ1 ?

[@Miyconst]

QTJ1 is better, but it's usually more expensive.

[@TeDdxYyZ]

​@@Miyconst Ok Thanks ! I hesitate... The most interesting for me is QQLT (quality/price)

[@Miyconst]

Just get a QQLT and spend the saved money to get a better GPU.

[@RP-Dyego123]

Muito bom amigo teria como vc colocar alegeda PT BR pra mim

[@SimbaSeven.]

*looks at laptop* Um, mine has 4.

[@drobiIIka]

23:56 make review pls. not for cat 🐈

[@Miyconst]

It's coming, stay tuned 😏.

[@adikom5813]

This film have very bad translation for english subtiitle, just compared with previous film, and it so much big diffrent with subtittle.

[@Miyconst]

Sorry, there is not much I can do about it, the subtitles are automatically provided by KZbin, sometimes it's better and sometimes it's worse.

[@erigabu]

@@Miyconst currently in my case, saying that You speaking Vietnamese :D

[@Miyconst]

@@erigabu LoL, something is really wrong with the auto sub-titles of KZbin.

[@dictator7586]

U risch bruv

[@NoSpamForYou]

So the newer intel chips only have 16 PCIe lanes instead of 28 like Haswell? I guess the the motherboard chipset handles the rest?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, that's correct. X79 / X99 platforms are / were high end, thus Intel added extra PCI-E lanes, Xeon E5 CPUs have 40 of them.