🇬🇧 LGA 1151 mutants QTJ2, QQLT, QQLS - test and comparison with R5 5600X, E5-2678 V3, i5-6600k

[@jonnotuckster8856]

Fast becoming one of my fav channels keep it up and thanks for the English versions so much appreciation for the effort 😎

[@Miyconst]

Thank you for the support!

[@RafitoOoO]

Miyconst uploads, I click.

[@clochard4074]

Ingenious! I didn't even know this was an option.

[@mrqou]

I am Japanese. I bought QTJ1, QTJ2, QQLS and QNCT and verified them on ASUS and GIGABYTE motherboards. The 100 series chipsets may not achieve maximum performance with 8 cores due to insufficient VRM capacity. When I tried QQLS with GA-Z170N-Gaming 5, the power turned off without permission. The TDP setting is 150W. With the Z370M D3H, I was able to overclock up to 4.8GHz when I set the TDP to 150W or higher.

[@Miyconst]

Yes, pretty similar to what I have got with mine Z170.

[@maciejzieba1982]

​@@Miyconst Thank you very much for your work - it's great watching your reviews of "unusual" hardware from China :) I own an ASRock Z170 Gaming K4/D3 motherboard that currently runs I7 6700K with 32GB of DDR3 RAM. I'm thinking I could extend the lifetime of that platform with one of the Mutant CPUs but I cannot make up my mind on which one to buy - QQLT, QTJ2, QQLS or QTJ1. I couldn't find any details, but VRM on the motherboard and its cooling look solid, so it could possibly handle the 8c/16t variants (without overclocking). @Yuuki Honda: Do you think that QTJ1 is worth the $30 extra over QQLS? I hope that @Miyconst, you will be able to compare both :) I'm also not sure if my cooling (SilentiumPC Grandis 2) isn't too heavy for these CPUs, as it weights around 1kg...

[@Miyconst]

@@maciejzieba1982 in my opinion QTJ1 is surely not worth the extra 30 Euros, but it's the best CPU you can get for the motherboard. I would go with QTJ2 or QTJ1, depending on the games and tasks, but there is nothing wrong with QQLT / QQLS either. It's really hard to say about the cooler. Those giant ones usually have very solid mounting mechanism and in that case it won't do much harm to the CPU, but a water cooler would be better, as it doesn't apply that much breaking pressure to the motherboard and CPU when motherboard is in vertical position.

[@mrqou]

@@maciejzieba1982 It's a motherboard with a very nice VRM. Japanese people like MicroATX, so I didn't know that there was a good motherboard with 100 series chipsets. If you have that much VRM, I think it will work. You may also be able to try overclocking. (However, with 100 chipsets, it may not be possible to overclock by the number of cores. In that case, Intel XTU will be used) QTJ1 has excellent processing power per clock. Tells the value of CPU-Z without overclocking. QNCT 2586/370 QQLS 4482/468 QTJ2 3569/494 QTJ1 5206/494 Even if you don't overclock, increase the power supply (TDP) in the BIOS. With the default setting value (45W), the CPU clock drops to 2.0GHz when the iGPU and CPU are fully loaded. I tried a water-cooled cooler and a small air-cooled cooler. Your CPU cooler is a screw type, so I feel like I can go. (Lever type like AMD is likely to chip the core due to careless pressure) As a side note, there is a metal guide around the CPU core.

[@jakestocker4854]

I'm definitely considering picking up one of these CPUs just for the hell of it. This is like the only video I've seen on it at all, shout out for taking the time to do the video on these!

[@mehdoux]

I don't generally write comments. But I need to tell you that you're doing a great work!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for that! Every comment matters for me.

[@-mrws-]

QQLT, QQLS - Coffee Lake QTJ2 - Comet Lake All fits ✌

[@rlcodispoti]

You're making fantastic content, I'm glad someone is doing deep dives into these obscure repurposed CPU and motherboards.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support!

[@renichi6444]

Once again an incredible review!

[@Zetraxes]

Can you include the i5 11400f in your testing it has crazy value with proper handling

[@Miyconst]

I am thinking about it, the CPU is already lying on my shelves, but no time for benchmarking :(

[@Zetraxes]

@@Miyconst I'm sorry to hear that i really wish you could find the time cuz it's been a long time since intel has been that competitive in the value segment with price performance

[@duncan51]

This is amazing work. Keep up the good work, not many channels have this type of content. Looking forward to see your budget recommendations cpu/mobo for this route.

[@areczek1987]

Shared 👍 waiting for more chinese deals and also comparision to that 11400f 😏 in a right time 😉

[@malomarshers]

This might be the coolest channel on youtube.

[@svilennaydenov9496]

Thank you for this video. Exited for the h110 follow-up. These boards were not designed for 6+ core chips, if it works fine with gtj2 it would be great value.

[@castor9907]

I'm using a QTJ2 on an asus H110 board and i'm running it at 4ghz all core just fine

[@zeferrum]

Awesome. Thanks for finding alternatives! By the way if you find such alternatives or mutant or other different options for GPU please do a video! The GPU market is unbelievable.

[@Miyconst]

I am in process of making such a video 😏.

[@jasonwicks7604]

The memory controller being crap isnt because of the chips binning, but because of the LGA1151 adapter substrate they use. Early revisions of these LGA1151 mutants couldnt even do PCIe 3.0, you had to set 2.0 in bios to get the boards to post. Sellers noted it was because of the substrate and they were working on getting higher quality ones made to allow for use of PCIe 3.0. With how sensitive DDR4 has been in my experience, I have no doubt this is the reason you walled off at below stock memory controller speeds.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the info, I tend to agree with you. The Chinese adapter seems to be the issue.

[@David-dn9lk]

Hello Miyconst. Awesome video, as always! Really interesting these mutant cpus... Thanks!

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

Thanks bud. Was ready to purchase one, but after watching your video and learning more about the memory limitations I'm going the AM4 route.

[@Miyconst]

Good choice!

[@marceloenrico]

Top! Best comparation!

[@Netieb]

Nice video again, your videos really helped me with my x99 server build.

[@kirandeepmaan6304]

Just got to know mutants exist thanks for information ℹ️

[@AirMostafa]

Great informations as always.

[@mr.schaeffer5399]

Hi dude nice video i was waiting for your review, do you think the QNCT in a Gigabyte, Biostar or Asrock that can clock up to 3.6ghz - 3.7ghz worth more than QTJ2 because it's cheaper and the difference in clock would be only 300ghz??

[@Miyconst]

QNCT surely does not worth more than QTJ2, but it has higher value for money 😃.

[@rumcajs009]

Fantastic job as always!

[@jlee1146]

very great review as your other reviews. I recently bought enough x79 and x99 motherboards for my family use. No need for other. still, It is a very good review. like to watch it. Thank you for your hard work.

[@Miyconst]

Thank you for watching and your support!

[@sergif424]

Incredible job man! Thank you very much!!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

[@RANDOM-ix6pn]

Thank you!. I really want more test and more information of your way. Thank you too for English version. The problem probably is the motherboard, i have a QQLT with a Gigabyte Aorus B365M, it has only 4+2phases, with XTU i see the cpu consumes at 4700mhz 135watts estables in this motherboard. Also the iGPU performs well at 1400mhz with 50+watts. And the motherboard is cheaper, about 50-55US dollars for new. I wait for more, and again thanks!😉

[@altemarlopes]

Another great video, thanks!

[@hendrixj.8356]

another great video thank you! Maybe I should have bought the QTJ2 when it was available =D

[@Miyconst]

The AliExpress seller said that QTJ2 are coming back to stock, just a little bit later.

[@gianlucapanattoni6652]

Best part of the video: the fluffy cat 😻

[@Miyconst]

Cat's are lovely. 😸😸🐈🐈

[@gianlucapanattoni6652]

@@Miyconst I agree. Yours is very cute, what's his/her name? 😻😹

[@Miyconst]

@@gianlucapanattoni6652he is called Zion.

[@saadek000]

Very good job dude!

[@paulodias9425]

great video! would love to see how those go against the ryzen 3600 as well. but I was expect them to leave 2678v3 really behind

[@Miyconst]

Well.. we are comparing 6 Cores against 12 Cores, two memory channels against 4, Xeon can still defend itself.

[@paulodias9425]

@@Miyconst for sure, I would still expect the lower clocks to have a bigger impact. But good thing games designers are able to spread the load across all cores. Thanks for all the videos! Just sad that they just break all my possible excuses to get rid of the old 1650 😅

[@metrotechguru5863]

What a beautiful cat. Thanks for the video.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks! 🐈🐈

[@And10686]

the cat will boost ur channel to silver tier in no time :)

[@Miyconst]

Thanks Andreas!

[@DeNiM157VG]

Very nice review miyconst, i like so much your metod. If you can test it, I think these mutant CPUs can work with DDR3 memories and also with other motherboards not specified by the Chinese. This information would be very good for the hardware low cost community

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support! As far as I know, these mutants work with DDR3, but I didn't have a chance to get a DDR3 motherboard for testing.

[@cayo2588]

@@Miyconst All of them work with DDR3? Normal DDR3, DDR3L or LPDDR3? Sometimes used DDR3 LGA 1151 boards are dirt cheap as nooone wants them or people buy them by accident.

[@Miyconst]

@@cayo2588 Sorry, I can't provide any info about DDR3, but you can ask the AliExpress seller.

[@TheRicout]

@@cayo2588 yes i have build 2 ql3x with b150 ddr3 motherboard, no problem and running at 4 ghz

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

Super interesting stuff! Nice upgrade path for i5 6xxx / 7xxx cpus that are too slow for 2021 gaming! Could you put the modified bioses on your app?

[@Miyconst]

I can upload the modified BIOS options, but I see no reason to add them to Mi899 as it's not compatible with AfuWin / FPT.

[@MauricioCervantesAlmonte]

Excellent information! Thanks!!!!!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support!

[@youzernejm]

Who's the assistant? Definitely interested in xeon and mutant comparisons, as well as your bios modding video. Seems like an interesting option for the right price.

[@Miyconst]

Are you asking about the 🐈? Which Xeon / mutant would you be the most interested in?

[@youzernejm]

Definitely asking about the cat. As for the cpu, the ones I'm most interested in are 2630v3 and the cheap tmnt cpu you've mentioned, qcnt I think. Maybe this question could be a good poll material.

[@Miyconst]

I am also interested, but QNCT is yet to be bought and I have already spent too much money on KZbin this month 😃.

[@youzernejm]

Understandable. Well, it was worth it, these mutant cpus went completely ignored. That said, I believe a tutorial on how to make them work, if possible to make, would probably get plenty of views.

[@raulbenitez9613]

eres muy muy bueno me encantaría que los videos estén subtitulados al español. hay veces que no puedo seguirte del todo, gracias por un muy buen video

[@Mdrvro]

Se pueden traducir con el navegador en un PC o ver KZbin en el móvil con el navegador modo escritorio. Google traduce automáticamente al español. Son muy aceptables las traducciones. Saludos.

[@jb678901]

It would be interesting to get the BIOS settings UNDERVOLTING the E5-2678V3/X99TF.

[@Austin_Hart]

I am wondering, have you tried a TPM 2.0 board or board/module with Windows 11 to see if it is supported? I am wondering about a Gigabyte board with a mutant whether or not TPM will function correctly and get a working Windows 11 install. I would think so; however, I'm not certain. Please let me know if you see this. I would like to take the plunge on a mutant system but it's not useful unless Windows 11 is in the mix. Take care! Great channel!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support, but unfortunately I didn't test Windows 11. I will try to test it, but can't guarantee.

[@TheEditu]

Hi, congratulations for the video! Could you tell me if there is any possibility these processors will work in B360? I know the seller advertises it's incompatible, but is this some terminal issue or is there any chance it might work? I'm curious to test, I even simulated the bios modification for an MSI b360 mortar, but I still haven't bought the processor and I haven't even rewritten the changed bios.

[@Miyconst]

No, there is no chance, B360 chipset doesn't work with these CPUs.

[@trixniisama]

Very great video, I'm still surprised by the fact that the QQLT and QQLS doesn't have that much better performance in games when compared to OC 6600k.

[@Miyconst]

Hm, I am not so sure how you came to that conclusion. The quad core i5 is simply not able to handle many modern games at all.

[@trixniisama]

@@Miyconst Well that's what I understood from some of your benchmarks. I just received my QQLT that I need to install, but it seems the gap won't be that impressive, even less when you consider the difference in power consumption. Still a great upgrade overall I assume because of the 12 threads compared to four.

[@Miyconst]

It depends on how you count the "upgrade". There are still many single threaded games, which don't benefit from six cores, thus the overall FPS difference is not that big, still many modern titles are simply not playable with the quad core i5.

[@trixniisama]

@@Miyconst Thanks for the clarification

[@trixniisama]

@@Miyconst So after a few days toying with my QQLT, I found that the major issue it has is clearly memory bandwidth limitations due to poor memory controllers. The fact that for me I can't get my QQLT past 2666MHz CL12 (which is already quite better than what you had) while the 6600k didn't have any restrictions means that it introduces memory bottleneck in some instances. It seems like many DX11 and Vulkan title have the issue, while DX12 games don't have it. Some emulators I use also have less performance than the 6600K because of that, which is a bummer. But the QQLT is already so much better for professional workloads, handbrake, and even Windows feels snappier. I feel like I'll keep the QQLT for this usage and buy me a 5600x or what's next on the X600x line of CPUs from AMD in a few years for my main PC build. Still, thanks for this video, it was very informative and useful !

[@brianoneill3916]

Maine Coon!! YEESSSS!!! I always knew you were THE BOSS Miyconst, but I believe you now may have attained legendary status!!

[@Miyconst]

It's actually a norwegian forest cat, very similar to Maine Coon, but still not the same.

[@brianoneill3916]

@@Miyconst Ahh, considering your location, I was going to say that, but I thought they were actually the same breed. I have a Maine Coon, 12.5kg and 120cm long - a beast!!!

[@Miyconst]

@@brianoneill3916 😲, 12.5 kg? Does it still count as a cat or maybe it's a lynx? I have only seen such cats on pictures, my cat is predicted to be 4-5 kg in weight.

[@bagasfabianmaulana]

Man, I want to upgrade from my old 6600K@4.7GHz to this mutant CPU and this video just show up on my feeds. This is really helpful for. Seems like I will buy QQLS since I had a MSI Z170 Gaming M5 motherboard and also want to upgrade my cooler to Deepcool AK600. Thanks for the video man! I have a question though. I have 2 NVMe SSD and I saw at the lising that I need to short some pins if I want to use PCIe bifrucation. Do i need to use pin mods if I want to use NVMe SSDs?

[@Miyconst]

If you have two M.2 slots on the motherboard - you don't have to do anything extra. If you use a special PCI-E card with two or more M.2 slots then you need Bifurcation, but shortening the pins is not enough, you also need support from the BIOS. I have never tested it and wouldn't recommend bothering with it.

[@bagasfabianmaulana]

​@@MiyconstYup. My Mobo have 2 m.2 nvme slots. Thanks for your advice.

[@def9216]

Did you have any issues upgrading? I have the same motherboard and I am considering upgrading CPU as well.

[@hamadnazir2848]

Finally🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@optimalbass]

This is an amazing video.

[@conectatech]

Great!!!! Good job!!!

[@stephanematis]

Well done!

[@zadkielalfano]

Did you had any problems with running pcie gen 3.0?, i've heard that in some boards you have to set it to gen 2 or even gen 1 for it to be able to run.

[@Miyconst]

Nope, in my case it was PCI-E 3.0 automatically.

[@zadkielalfano]

@@Miyconst Nice, I'm considering using the QQLT alongside the gigabyte b365 ds3h. It should arrive in a few weeks, hopefully everything works properly.

[@TalesdeMileto101]

Yessss!!! Lest goooo!!!

[@senolj7241]

Challenge accepted 😁😁😁😁 i bought 2 CPUs QQLS and QQLT . Love ya channel 👌💪

[@Miyconst]

Which motherboard do you plan to use?

[@senolj7241]

@@Miyconst i bought an Gigabyte Z170 HD3P ... my question was wrong . Sry for my bad English . I asked for can u make a video how to coffee time flash . Cause I want to know how this micro codes for QQLS and QQLT is

[@Miyconst]

You can watch video I have linked in the description, with English subtitles it's very easy to follow.

[@senolj7241]

@@Miyconst thanks for the information . Easy as you said .

[@mrqou]

The memory timing of the 8-core QTJ1 and QQLS is very severe. It is the result of buying the recommended memory of the Chinese site and trying it with Z370M D3H. QQLS operates at 2400MHz with up to two memories. With 4 memories, it is 2133MHz. QTJ1 operates at 2133MHz with up to 2 memories. 4 sheets do not move. It may work below 2133MHz. At first glance, QTJ1 seems to be disadvantageous, but the heat generation is much lower than QQLS (about -20 degrees), and although it has the same clock, it gives good benchmark results.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the info! I don't know what is going on with your memory, but the results seem to be pretty bad. My QQLS works at DDR4-2700 with 4 * 8 GB.

[@mrqou]

@@Miyconst You look amazing. This is the result of preparing and trying 4 types of memory (Sumsung / ADAYA / SK Hinx / UMAX) and 2 Z370M-D3H. It may be a problem of individual CPU or the memory check of Z370M-D3H is strict. I have not tried manual memory timing adjustment. I'm tired any more. We look forward to your professional verification. Good luck d(^^)

[@snaj9989]

I have the same motherboard and I bought the QQLT before watching this video. Unfortunately this motherboards VRM's are not the best ones and I heard they can only provide 80A current so that explains why you had problems with 8 cores. I think it will also cause problems with QQLT if I try to overclock it close to 5GHz but I will still try. Another thing is these CPU's are designed to work with only 2 channels so filling all ram slots might be the reason of your low max frequencies. I wonder how much it will boost the performance of my system but I doubt it will be high after watching this because my i5 6500 is overclocked at 4.5Ghz (by BCLK) and my rams are overclocked to 3000mhz. But I thing it will be a good future proofing for this system if I desire to upgrade my GTX1060 in the future. Since second had i7 6700k is more expensive than this I thing it is a good deal. It will be definitely a good challenge for me to get the best overclock from this. BTW what cooler you recommend because my current one is not suitable for bare die cooling, I have Noctua D14 in mind.

[@Miyconst]

The upgrade level depends on the games you play, some modern games are not playable with four core i5s at all, and it doesn't matter how much you overclock it, thus it's a very good upgrade in my opinion.

[@snaj9989]

@@Miyconst Hi, Today I got my CPU and it worked in the fist try. I was happy until I saw the VRM temps. Even though I changed the thermal pads with high quality ones in cinebech VRM temperature goes up to 100C, much higher than what it should be. CPU consumes around 93W at 4.6GHz without increasing the Vcore values. What was your VRM temps is there a way to fix it. The place around VRM section is quite small so I cant add any fans on it.

[@snaj9989]

@@Miyconst I need your VRM temperatures to compare with mine. I will then consider changing thermal pads with thicker ones.

[@Miyconst]

@@snaj9989 It is pointless to compare our VRM temps as we have completely different testing environment. You have to add extra fans into your chassis to blow air over the VRM zone, 100C is not acceptable.

[@snaj9989]

@@Miyconst You are right I actually put two 4cm fans on the VRM. It handles normal use just fine. For example gaming is an easy task so it stays below 60C. But when multiple Cinebech test run, it slowly increases to 95C. I am ok with it since I don't do such demanding tasks daily but it was kinda sad to keep the CPU at 4.5GHz while knowing it can handle more just fine and I paid a lot for a nice CPU cooler. There is very bad VRM on this motherboard. If I knew this I would get a overkill Asus z170 from that era instead of this hot garbage. CPU pulls 100W at 4.5GHz all cores I think a normal supported i7 7700K for example can easily exceed that when overclocked so it is the motherboard itself causing the problem. BTW system doesnt work any ram speed higher than 2666mhz so thats is another bummer.

[@guillermo_lasso]

Hello, do you know the idle power consumption of the system with the QTJ2 and other CPUs?

[@Miyconst]

It depends on the complete system configuration, but it's somewhere around 40-60 watts at idle.

[@michaelgreene8776]

Hello there! I recently got my QQLT installed on an extra Gigabyte Z370-HD3 motherboard (lower end I believe). Can you give some recommended settings for overclocking the chip? You're test said you did not do any voltage adjustments, what exactly did you do to achieve 4.5ghz? I'm looking to just do something simple, like all cores 4.3 or around there. I have a Corsair H80i v2 installed as well.

[@Miyconst]

Sorry, I have never tested this board, thus I don't know its BIOS features. In general you just set the clock multiplier and that's it.

[@W.M2704]

got a question, will the huananzhi x99 tf handle a e5 2697 v3? i probably wont be turbo unlocking it. great video as always btw!

[@Fesovika]

Yes, with turbo too

[@W.M2704]

@@Fesovika thanks! can you give me a rough estimate as to what vrm temps should i expect?

[@Fesovika]

@@W.M2704 fucking high as always :D Don't know precise values, but 2697v3 is 100% safe with TU

[@W.M2704]

@@Fesovika i see. thanks! one last question, if i turbo boost unlock the 2697 v3, will it always consume 145 watts regardless of the workload?

[@---pp7tq]

@@W.M2704 i don't think that TU works in a way that it forces constant clock speed no matter what CPU usage you will have. Even if, then the power consumption shouldn't be the same on different workloads

[@fagtr90]

ммм... акцент то русский )) Спасибо за тесты! всё супер

[@mengshilim7364]

Please do a "low power" or low wattage video. Some of us are worried about power consumption. Are E2430Lv3, or these mutants in non-overclock mode good options as low power options?

[@Miyconst]

You need to specify what counts as "low power" and what is a "good option", also what is the target usage.

[@EDIIIZ]

@@Miyconst I bought a qqls for a mini itx server. Wanted to limit tdp to 35w is that possible?

[@Miyconst]

@@EDIIIZ yes, you can do that if your motherboard has power limit settings in the BIOS.

[@EDIIIZ]

@@Miyconst Thanks, yeah its a gigabyte z270n itx. İt should have the settings i guess😂

[@Miyconst]

@@EDIIIZ yes, it should.

[@pittoplytto4703]

не работает двухканал на мутанте в чем дело в прижиме или настройке частот озу или что другое?

[@tanzimulhaque1011]

Can you tell me /show me how much performance difference are in between e5-2620v3 vs x5675 .... and which is more value for money..... i watched your which is the best xeon video.....but one youtuber suggested that x5675 is the best value for money cpu for 1080p gaming...... I have access to TAOBAO....so i can buy x99 hianzuh and x58 hianzu...both...or mostly any other chinese market cpus .... please suggest ...thanks! and great content

[@Miyconst]

I would about X58 and X79 at all costs. If you can get E5-2620 V3 for a reasonable price - go for it.

[@izeezu8359]

An amazing channel that cures my curiosity! Can you test these CPUs with an MSI motherboard? Their site says they may have some stability issues. I am planning on getting one for my spare MSI Z170I PRO GAMING AC board.

[@Miyconst]

Sorry, I don't have any MSI motherboard to test, but I will surely do so if I can get some.

[@mrqou]

I've only done it with ASUS and GIGABYTE, but I think I can do MSI as well. The CPUs I tried were QNCT, QQLS, QTJ1 and QTJ2. I tried four types of chipsets: Z370, Z170, H170, and H110. VRMs are important on all motherboards. Next is the Z chipset. Allows overclocking. We recommend a 6-core CPU for the 100 series chipsets. In most cases, the 8 cores will not be able to perform as they should due to lack of power supply. The Z370 chipset offers the best performance of 8 cores.

[@izeezu8359]

I am thinking about getting the QNCT. The value is insane as I already have the motherboard laying around collecting dust.I would really appriciate it if you guys confirm that MSI boards do not cause problems as claimed on their website.

[@mrqou]

​@@izeezu8359 It seems that the number of VRMs has a greater effect than the motherboard manufacturer. QNCT has low power consumption, so it seems likely that it can operate. If possible, aiming for QTJ2 is superior in cost performance. CPU-Z (Multi / Single) QNCT (MaxOC) 2917/414 QTJ2 (impossible OC) 3569/494 Good Luck.

[@damianff7363]

friends I have QTJ2 but it has sudden crashes where the whole pc crashes and it is necessary to wait a few seconds or reboot, the crashes occur randomly and I have not found a solution. would appreciate your help :)

[@Miyconst]

Most likely it's a hardware error of some kind and only replacement will help. You can try to reduce the memory spend though.

[@MrNewbieman]

I've got asus prime z270 p+qqlt setup, and gskill aegis ram (2666mhz with timings 15-16-16-36 cr2) works pretty stable

[@danenbig0]

Tengo la ga z170x gaming 3 . Qué BIOS debería agarrar de su colección para QQLT?

[@balazsmeszaros3040]

That one is Shadow Rock LP not slim, slim has a totally different geometry.

[@Miyconst]

Yes, you are correct, I have mixed the names.

[@santiagomurillo7551]

Oh my god. Now I regret buying the QQLT instead of QTJ2

[@Miyconst]

Don't. If you have a decent motherboard the performance won't be crippled like with the gigabyte motherboard I have used here.

[@jforce321]

I'm not surprised that it eight core would have issues on a z170 board considering that those things are only built to sustain four or eight threaded processors

[@Miyconst]

True, not surprising, but still disappointing.

[@TechBasic111]

the QQLS is being limited by your MB a lot ... can you retest with better board?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, I can retest QQLS if someone could provide me a better board.

[@hug0freitas]

hello miyconst. which program and version do you use to rewrite the mutants' bios? i can do the recording, i can boot but does not recognize any ssd. I don't know if it's a problem in the bios mod I'm doing, I've followed several tutorials but without success :(( I have a qqlt+asus z170-ar. Could you help me?

[@Miyconst]

I am using Coffee Time to mod the BIOS and CH341A to write the BIOS. Which SSDs have you tried?

[@hug0freitas]

@@Miyconst i got miyconst, i did the recording with another program i found on the internet and it solved the problem.. possibly it was a problem in the ch341 recording program version. Thank you very much for your attention and for responding promptly!

[@Miyconst]

@@hug0freitas thank you for the support!

[@juanitosaenz9701]

hola como estas tu tendrás idea de que sucede tengo un problema con el qtj2 y es que solo me funciona 1 slot de ram el derecho el izquiero no le funciona ninguna memoria tanto dual chanel como single chanel que puedo hacer? ya la bios la reprograme en una board asrock h110 pro btc+

[@raulsouza71]

Hello friend, something similar happened to me using an Asus b150 motherboard with a QL2X. I solved it by entering the BIOS with one memory and manually setting the frequency. In my case, I put 2133 MHz and saved, then after turning off the computer I put the second memory and both worked in dual channel. I currently use an E-2176m with 2400 MHz memories in a Gigabyte b150. If I put it in 2666 MHz, the blue screen appears because the chipset doesn't seem to accept it. I hope this can be useful.

[@John.N]

If only you could show us how to flash the modified bios with external programmer ch341a... Nice video btw👍😊

[@Miyconst]

Here it goes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqK7Y62fnadpi6c

[@mr.schaeffer5399]

8:52 The QNCT i've seen clocked to 3.7ghz all 6 cores in xtu the channel CasualGamers did, but the guy modificate and let it 6c/6t and on a biostar b250, the fps got higher, there was no problem.

[@joshualester2735]

So 80fps low 119 avg is unplayable? We have very different standards.

[@kennethearl9878]

Can you recommend a rig for Davinci resolve, please. Prefer Xeon cores that can handle 4k preview playback smooth & can render. 🙏

[@Miyconst]

I think Xeon W-2295 would do well.

[@matthewkeen6281]

Nice.

[@budgetking2591]

wow this is very interesting

[@mr.schaeffer5399]

4:13 Actually already exist this mutant cpus with the IHS so you can use any cpu cooler but i only see it in TaoBao to sell and here in Brazil there is a guy who selled in our local "ebay like" but with a minimal stock so he doesn't have anymore, on Aliexpress i ask the seller and he doesn't know about it so is not from the same seller looking for prices in TaoBao is cheaper the cpu with IHS but buy from there is complicated, it needs a dropshipping service to do that like superbuy, but is an interesting thing would be easier to use that cpus.

[@Miyconst]

I think, I have talked about these ones a bit later in the video 😃.

[@vladimirsamas3097]

I have a little question when the prices will return to normal (xeon v3) I know they are cheaper than a few days ago but for example e5 2697v3 was 110 € now 150 € is stil 40€ (35%)

[@Miyconst]

The prices will go back to normal when people stop paying the inflated amounts.

[@rafalg1561]

Hi, I have a HUANANZHI X99 TF motherboard and after resuming from Sleep mode, the fans speed is higher than when the computer is turned on normally. Someone knows how to solve this

[@Miyconst]

I was able to solve the problem by adjusting the defaults fan profile in the BIOS using AMIBCP and flashing such BIOS.

[@ofeksabran1960]

does the qtj2 support vmx?

[@cmd8086]

Does you RAM stuck at 2133 MHz as well? I think there's a limit for these CPUs, 'cause I can't go any further

[@Miyconst]

No, I have tested many of these mutants and the minimum speed was at least DDR4-2666.

[@cmd8086]

Which motherboards did you use?

[@Miyconst]

@@cmd8086 many different, for example watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faq3dqGAfc13l9U

[@PhantomMattcraft]

What were SA/IO/Memory IO voltages when you were OCing memory? Did you play around with timings at all? Did you make sure vDIMM was 1.35v+ (the default for 3200c16)? I'd recommend trying 1.35v SA, 1.2v IO, and 1.3v Memory IO. Those are a bit high bit can lower from there.

[@Miyconst]

All CPU voltages were left on default, except QLLS worked with -50mv offset which let it maintain higher frequency within TDP limit. RAM CL14 XMP profile was loaded, so the voltage was 1.35v.

[@PhantomMattcraft]

@@Miyconst If you plan to ever do extra content on these CPUs then looking into memory would be a huge thing. Having max of seems like 2900MT/s for most of the lucky people is pretty low (let alone total average is like 2700MT/s - 2800MT/s). These can go from being for a super budget option to being better then an 11400f if one can do 3600MT/s+ freq once you alter voltages (better mostly due to being unlocked core/uncore/direct die cooling for cheaper). To give a bit of perspective, 10400f on 2666MT/s mem is quite terrible and fair bit worse then a R5 3600 on 3200MT/s. However a 10400f on 3200MT/s is better then a R5 3600 on both 3200MT/s and 3600MT/s (that is if all dimms are on stock everyday timings, so ignoring say a 3600-12-13-13-20-38 kit and such - as in the expensive and uncommon stuff). I want to get some info on this as people dont really seem to say what voltages they ran so it's unknown as to whether it was stock or not modified that well.

[@Miyconst]

@@PhantomMattcraft I don't think you will be able to get much out of these memory controllers. My memory modules are capable of DDR4-3400 @ 1.37V and DDR4-3600 @ 1.4V, the stock is 1.35V, yet the mutants are not able to even boot with DDR4-3000, while i5-6600k on the same board with the same RAM easily works with DDR4-3200.

[@PhantomMattcraft]

@@Miyconst Thing is that the default voltages for the mutant chips are probably not that ideal. That is why I wanted them to be set manually. Probably most of the settings would need to be set manually I'd assume. Wanted to get some data with some completely tuned systems to see how far it can be taken.

[@Miyconst]

@@PhantomMattcraft I think, I have a video planned where I can try to tweak this stuff.

[@narek2012nar]

17:19​ A little bit strange result for QQLS. Mine at 4.4Ghz (4.1Ghz ring, 2700Mhz RAM CL12-16-32-CR1) has about 4600 points in CB20.

[@Miyconst]

You probably have missed the part where I explained it. QQLS was TDP limited, because my motherboard (Gigabyte Z170-HD3P) could not hold the unleashing QQLS @ 4.5 GHz, removing the TDP limit results into sudden frequency drops and even worse scores in long running benchmarks.

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

i know this is probably alot to ask. but could you look on the actual cpu chip for the production date for me? specifically for the QTJ0 QTJ1 or QTJ2 chips? they are located around the crystal silicon on the CPU itself. for example. one of my chips is V935C358 QTJ1 my other is V933D732 QTJ1 that means the first one is produced 35th week 2019. in china second one produced 33th week of 2019. also china. i'd like to keep track of the production date's of these chips to see how long of a run/window these had. so far a 2 week difference is Not alot. so curious to see if that is the norm and they all came from the same production month.

[@Miyconst]

I am sorry but I don't have these CPUs anymore.

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

@@Miyconst damn too bad. i just recieved my QTJ1 with the IHS. i removed IHS. made custom frame and mounted it naked. and the cpu boots 3000mhz ram. i am sure i can get it higher too... need to get some more sticks to test. the one without the IHS only does 2800mhz on the same motherboard. using a Maximus x Hero. seems like "IHS" versions are better. the interposer is thinner

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

@@Miyconst holy crap i think they definitely improves the Interposed design. for 110 euro you can buy QTJ1 with New IHS. old IHS version maxes at 2800 on my Maximus X hero. i am currently running at 3400mhz DDR4 speed using 3000mhz LPX sticks with the NEW IHS version. i need to get some faster 3600/4000mhz dimms. i feel like this new design can go even faster....

[@Miyconst]

@@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862 too bad these mutans are no longer relevant due to their prices.. but good that they have improved it.

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

@@Miyconst i am hoping to see more of this for more modern sockets. the current motherboard+cpu combination is nice. but it does not reduce the waste of motherboards. it just prevents waste of cpu's. also. the motherboards are sub par for real overclocking. you can get a old top spec motherboard for dirt cheap and clock way higher with chips instead of using the sub par off the shelf boards.

[@premexu2852]

it‘s not the cpu's memory controller to blame for being unable to reach high ram frequency but the cpu's adaptor plate. The early version doesn't design the route for high frequency signal. With the newest version it could easily reach 3200mhz.

[@Miyconst]

Could be the case, were do I get the new ones? So far every mutant I have tested had the memory speed issue.

[@Miyconst]

That's where I bought my QTJ1 and still had the same issue.

[@premexu2852]

@@Miyconst just checked your qtj1 video, the layout of adapter plate seems the same, but mine has "SXJ" trademark on both sides of the plate and IHS is just plain, of no lasered text. dont know if these indicate any routing difference.

[@Miyconst]

Maybe, it's hard to guess with the Chinese. I hope next time I order these mutants I will get the updated version.

[@premexu2852]

@@Miyconst pretty sure it's from different shop. yours is from item.htm?id=642399485228. And mine is from item.htm?id=631896035686

[@brightflame9980]

Did you try it with samsung ram?

[@Miyconst]

I did.

[@brightflame9980]

@@Miyconst did it work fine?

[@Miyconst]

@@brightflame9980 Yes, it did work fine.

[@mr.schaeffer5399]

Hmmm i believe you don't notice but you had a thermal throttling with mobo that affects the performance of QQLT and QQLS because in all other tests i've seen they are far ahead from QTJ2 there is something wrong with the results doesn't make sense they are clocked higher and the ipc gain from the coffee lake to this coffe-comet lake should be minimal.🤔 You can see here in 16:24 the xeon v3 in a game that do not use so much the cores getting better results than the Qqls that is newer better ipc more ram frequency clocked 4,5ghz doesn't make sense at all.

[@Miyconst]

Neither of the CPUs were throttling in games, both were running stable 4.5 GHz. My QQLT is a bad sample which does only DDR4-2400. Of course, the issue can be caused by the motherboard, but then it's hard to explain why QTJ2 was not throttling while consuming more than QQLT. Cinebench results also prove that QQLT didn't throttle. QQLS was limited to 90 Watt, as I have specified in the video.

[@nonenonenone1898]

Hopefully someone can answer me. Is the embedded video of the mutant CPUs still usable? I don't have a video card. And I only pretend to play casual games. snes and psone emulators. 😉 Thanks and sorry my english

[@Miyconst]

Yes, most mutants have Intel UHD 630 available. Actually, I have not yet seen a single mutant without iGPU.

[@gondon3953]

Msi b250m pro vd was worked QQLS ??? Please help

[@Miyconst]

Please bring me the CPU and the motherboard, then I can help. Without testing it myself I don't know what else I can help with.

[@gondon3953]

@@Miyconst qqls + msi b250m pro vd = worked but 4,2ghz maximum, up 4,0 good, maybe bad bios or vrm

[@mattblack2320]

How did you update the bios on the b365 board? I have just brought the qqlt and b365 board. Can you do it with the qqlt in the board? I do not have any other cpu to use

[@Miyconst]

No, you have to use a compatible CPU or an external flash programmer.

[@mattblack2320]

I brought another cheap 3930 to help with the process. What Ghz did you manage to run on the qqlt on that board?

[@Miyconst]

@@mattblack2320 I have not yet tested B365 + QQLT, only B365 + QTJ2.

[@senolj7241]

Yo Matt you board isn't compatible I quess. I looked into BIOS Collection from the description here ! Didn't found it .

[@GustavoSilva-ot6om]

am I be able to overclock qqlt with an Asus ex b250 v7?

[@Miyconst]

Most likely yes.

[@gumikacsa526]

That "i5 10400" qtj2 is probably a i7 9750H engineering sample

[@Miyconst]

Very well could be.

[@jciiivisualization8552]

Im so happy sith my xeon😍😍😍

[@ZackFairlady]

Will this work if I already have widows 11 installed?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, it should work regardless of your installed system.

[@sindromedestendhal212]

In your opinion, which cpu is the best in these two battles: Ryzen 5 2600 vs qtj 2 Ryzen 5 3600 vs qqls Im wondering If i should go 1151 or b450

[@Miyconst]

Go B450 if you can afford it, otherwise LGA 1151 might be a bit cheaper with the same or better performance.

[@sindromedestendhal212]

@@Miyconst i see... But if 1151 has the same performance, why should i go b450?

[@paulodias9425]

@@sindromedestendhal212 more upgrade options, supported platform without any possible surprises

[@Miyconst]

@@sindromedestendhal212 many people with such logic do not understand that these mutants are not "free performance", there are very many things which may go wrong and you need to know what you are dealing with. If you are not ready to risk and want a better experience - go with AM4, if you like to weak and can afford losing some $$ on AliExpress if something goes wrong - go with LGA 1151 + a mutant.

[@turian74]

Спасибо за отличные видео! Могу ли я узнать , получилось ли у вас обойти ограничения материнской плате Gigabyte b365m d3h по tdp в биосе или вы использовали программные методы? P.s. Мир вашему дому!

[@Miyconst]

Я використав Intel XTU, розблокувати налаштування TDP в BIOS мабуть можливо, але в мене не було часу цим займатися.

[@turian74]

@@Miyconst спасибо, буду думать

[@brightflame9980]

Any update regarding the sudden 2ghz downclock?

[@Miyconst]

I have never experienced it myself, thus I can't give any more updates at the moment.

[@MrDvneil]

on more single core games, qqls underperforms a lot vs 9900k, just comparing your fps data vs 5600x and then 5600x on other bench vs 9900k.

[@Miyconst]

In this test QQLS was severely limited by the motherboard, as I have specified in the video. These mutants are as hot and as power hungry as their desktop equivalents, thus a motherboard with a good VRM is required.

[@MrDvneil]

@@Miyconst but you said in the video it is working at 4.5ghz, if it really is, it is because vrm allows it. even if if turns on as 4.5ghz, u should check while doing the benchmark if it is actually achieving those ghz or not. to state that "it is working at 4.5ghz" i mean, i dont know why they underperform by a lot vs 9900k, i dont know if they are not really working at 4.5ghz in the games ( odyssey ) or because bios problems with memory, i dont know. and should be because 9900k works at same frecuency, has same cache... anyways was checking ur other video 10400f vs qqls vs 5600x, and performance seems fine for a 4.5ghz and 2666 mhz ram. nothing weird i think . maybe was the VRM on that MB that made the cpu underclock while running the game? not sure

[@MrDvneil]

@@Miyconst compared again with ur newer video, and with b365 performs as expected. so there is something weird with this z170 that makes it underperform

[@Miyconst]

@@MrDvneil thanks for checking out the newer video, this Gigabyte Z170 motherboard is surely a limiting factor, it not only randomly drops CPU clock frequency, but also limits CPU ring/cache/uncore frequency, not sure if I mentioned it in this video, but in one of the videos I did an investigation about it.

[@the7dan7dan]

Qqls and Qqlt have a low uncore ratio. Can you try overclocking the uncore also and retesting?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, I can do that, but first I need a decent motherboard for that.

[@the7dan7dan]

@@Miyconst doesn’t your gigabyte z170 offer that?

[@Miyconst]

@@the7dan7dan it turns out that Z170 motherboards, or at least some of them, are not able to properly clock uncore. For example my Gigabyte Z170 maxes out at 2.8 GHz, while AsRock B365 goes above 3 GHz.

[@the7dan7dan]

@@Miyconst Very interesting. I have a gigabyte z170 gaming 5 and its does indeed work with QQLT with uncore at 4.5. havent tried higher. Well worth a video to explain and show performance impact!

[@Miyconst]

@@the7dan7dan I will see what I can do, sounds like an interesting subject though!