Testing the LIMITS On The KAKA PBB-4012 Pan/Box Brake...

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ive been using this Kaka Vice Brake for a while..works great: amzn.to/3BK6jiJ And..if use discount code SPICERDESIGNS to save on your KAKA purchase.

[@terrysaenz3009]

Make your shorter bends at the left or right edge to prevent possible bowing the brake in the center.

[@MatthewChaves-v5b]

MACHINE… nuff said! I like the other colors so much I might end up with multiple colors.

[@lawrenceessard4086]

I love the machine machine world 😊😊

[@stephenalderLF15]

Machine. You should look up where; Harbor Freight, KaKa, Baileigh, and Jet get their parts made. It will explain a lot.

[@pjwarez]

A cute wife, 2 beautiful little girls, 2 dogs and a machine shop. You're a lucky, lucky man. Never take any of it for granted.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks! I definitely dont. Its been a lot of hard work, sacrifice and patience.

[@woodlandtroll4976]

Machine, I'm from the UK and have the exact same box and pan folder, different name on mine, love it for what use it for. We always use to put a piece of 3x2 angle along the front edge to give u more leverage and support on thicker plate

[@halfstep67]

I have a harbor freight 20t press and I bought a Swag finger brake kit for it to bend some 1/8" plate. It will bend up to 19 inches wide. They do make wider finger brake kits for larger presses but 19" is as wide as the brake will go for the harbor freight 20t press. I am making an electric cart and needed to bend some 1/8" by 18" long plate for a skid plate. It bent it very easy and did a perfect job. I also have installed an air operated 20t jack on the press to make it quicker and easier. You can buy a harbor freight press, air bottle jack and Swag brake kit for under $800.

[@moe9098]

I have a Pexto 48 finger brake. Like most brakes, the manufacturer lists the max gage you can bend, but some explain that to bend the max, you can only do so many inches wide (as you were finding out). I'm guessing that to bend a full 40", it is probably rated to 18 or 20 gauge, with 30" it'd be 16 or so. 12" most likely would be where they rate at the 12 gauge. Pretty similar for most finger brakes. For bending anything like 12 gauge and thicker, I usually use my H Press to bend. Less stress on my old back. Oh, "Machine" as well. Nice hats! I will be getting a Langmuir system soon, just have to make room in my shop somewhere! Love your tutorials. I've learned a lot before I get it!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thank you! I have seen that stated with other brakes. Good point

[@mattspawn1975]

That's a nice MACHINE! That black-on-black MACHINE hat is dope too! I will say, watching you bust a nugget on a manual brake makes me realize how good the guys in our shop have it. I program the CNC machines for them, but they are spoiled with these Trumpf CNC press brakes we have at work. haha Love your vids, man!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Hah! Thanks buddy. Ya the hydraulic press would be nice

[@pitch3223]

As someone mentioned, if you read the instructions my guess is the information will be there. On the handle that you tightened the nuts to secure that is so it can be adjusted out to allow thicker material to be bent. The thicker the material the more room it needs between the fingers and the brake that you pull up to make the bend. This also adjust the bend radius which you should be doing about 1x thickness for steel. Try it. Might save your back. and yes "Machine"

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ya i didnt realize that. Never used a brake like that before. I appreciate the info and i will definitely give that a try.

[@KevinBoss-u6g]

I have the Jet version. it was a good price to me. I have had it for about two years and love it. it is very heavy duty. I think it will fit your needs

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Good to hear. I do really like it. Should be perfect for what im doing.

[@ich1ban916]

Can you use a couple of cheater bars to get more leverage lifting force on that machine?

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I plan on make some detachable cheaters for it. Should do the trick.

[@rantiksadventure1920]

That is a nice machine. It seems like it could handle 12GA 40” but if your not going to be bending that size very often you could make an attachment that could sit in the middle at an angle at the bottom for a bottle jack made with two pieces of tube steel one that would fit in the other and have holes drilled out down the sides so you can slide a pin through the tube steels as the bottle jack maxes out and for the top you can make a crossmember out of tube steel with a cutout on one side so it can slip around the handles and be welded in the middle to the outer tube steel with the pin holes drilled in it. Also if you don’t want to be working on your knees 😉 you could buy one of those air powered bottle jacks from harbor freight and run the air line to the top of the break to operate the jack. Just a thought once again great video as always and great editing.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ya thats a great idea. Thanks!

[@LazerBee]

@@SpicerDesignsLLCbefore doing all that I’m wondering if there’s an adjustment that moves the table away from the fingers. This would give slightly more leverage and allow thicker metal to form around the fingers

[@btrswt35]

Score the bend line with a grinder or possibly make it in two pieces and weld it at 90 if you have the capability. Full width 12 gauge on that would be really pushing it. Also, keep the metal to be bent towards the side and not in the middle. The area with the greatest deflection in the machine is the middle and the sides are more ridgid

[@williamthomas9463]

I have the Grizzly model GO542 48” pan and box brake. Just checked the current price and it’s up to $2925. I’ve had mine for a number of years and haven’t been able to break it yet despite my best efforts. This past Saturday I was able to brake 4 pieces of 14 gauge that were slightly over 48” long to over 90 degrees by myself but it took all I had and I was glad there wasn’t a 5th piece. But, I was able to do it and you’re much younger than myself.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Good to know. I really like it so far. I can see it taking a toll on the back after a couple brakes

[@ksvet06-07]

Machine! awesome metal break. Will be looking into this model for the shop. thank you.

[@shawnmts7109]

Machine; My back hurts. Made a trade, I had 10 aluminum brake traded for boat trailer. After trade, this man seen my shop he gave me two PEXTO box and pan brakes. Both are frozen in rust. Looking for plastic tank so I can use electric to remove the rust. Hats off to new things.

[@samwillard5688]

Machine!! Love the channel, bro, I am learning quite a bit. Thanks for all the effort

[@ColinLennard]

What you could do is put rollers on the handles then get your fork lift & use that make the bend. Depending on how much you are going to use that bender get a small moter - that could be your best move. This is the first time that I have come across you. It is going to be interesting to see how you do.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks for the suggestion. I might be open to adding some hydraulic cylinders down the road. I will mostly use it for 14ga and i had the radius too tight when i bent the 12ga. Shouldnt have been that hard to bend if the radius wasnt so tight. I will for sure make some detachable cheater handles for it.

[@rudyrivera7426]

I have made a decision on one! But, sorry to said not that one! Thanks for sharing! Machine! 👌👍

[@Davy-w9e]

Nice breake the knives is hardend steell that's really important it's gonna last a long time. Nice update for you shop it's give some much work potentiële.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thank you!

[@arthurmandel6541]

Machine, always keep it lubed & working!great video!

[@ericbarb8847]

You can fab up some extensions for the arms to give yourself some more leverage. Or if it is still hard to break with the extension, add a lifting eye and use your front end loader to lift.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Id like to build a set of removable cheaters for it. A couple people mentioned increasing the radius on the bend too. I was trying to brake it with a pretty tight bend.

[@jeffpitzer8521]

1. What model Kioti tractor do you have? I've got a 6620 and I absolutely love it. Much better and more features than the green or other orange tractors. 2. That brake looks like a nice MACHINE. But one thing you need to know is the max rating on any leaf brake the full width is going to be a handful. I have an old Chicago 8ft 16ga straight (no fingers) brake. To do 6ft of 16ga I have to bounce the two large counter weights during the bend. The extra force of the impact bends the thicker longer pieces. 3. What I would try since you don't have counter weights is fabricate a handle than slips onto the folding bar with longer handles. Position them at say a 45° angle or so to eliminate the need to bend your back so far. Then maybe you dont need the help of Keystone girl. Might be worth a try since you've already spent the $$.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I have a CK2610. I love it. I have some upgrades for it coming up. Thanks for the info on the brake

[@stephenjones8735]

Nice, Yah you gotta make some bolt on extensions for the handles for thicker material. But looks good

[@newt2010]

Thank you for the video. I am looking at the same machine and maybe the next bine down. Can wait to get it. Cheers

[@mafosa8519]

you could convert that to hydraulic so easy! nice shop by the way!

[@danholmblad9925]

Like the video. Machine. Now you can make tool box's. Can't wait to see all the awesome things you make. God bless.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks Dan! This will be a great tool to have and gives me more options which is great.

[@Simpatton8780]

MACHINE. Kyle I’ve been subscribed since the time you guys lived In NWI. I’m from Michigan City and work in East Chicago. Union Sheetmetal work 25 yrs. I got same tractor too open station though, Ronson equipment great people to do business with!!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Oh nice. We may have ran into each at some point. I worked in that area all the time. I used to work for hyre. Ronson is great people. Highly recommend them.

[@EdLeeper]

You're right about it needing more leverage. I couldn't tell from the video, but it did look like there might be a way to slide the part with the hand grips farther out,, or down on the shafts they are connected to. Consider that in order to half the effort you have to double the distance from the axis, so you could make your own handles if you wanted to. Oh yeah. "Machine". ( could always use another hat.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

If i extend it down like your saying it will give me a larger radius and be easier to bend. Im going to try that next time i use it.

[@JCWren]

I wonder if you use a couple of those air over hydraulic rams that HF sells. Maybe pin one end to the bottom slightly back from the pivot point and the other end somewhere near the handles.

[@nabman5619]

I have been looking to get one of these, however I live in a row home and need to get it into the basement. I am thinking of dissembling it and have the misses help my do it in the basement.

[@midwestkustomz6350]

Great team work on the new "Machine"! Good review!

[@jensonhartmann3630]

You have all the M A C H I N E ....S i want. you're doing all the types of work that I'm aiming to get into. I'm a pretty avid welder (TIG) but looking to expand my M A C H I N Es arsenal. Keep up the great work! love your video's! Edit, i can see a very simple adapter being cut on your CNC M A C H I N E to make your new break an air over hydraulic assist. Unless you add some longer grab bars or heavier counterweight. Air over hydraulic will probably be the simplest.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thats awesome. Hopefully our content is helpful. Im not an expert by any means but its pretty fun figuring out some of these machines.

[@jensonhartmann3630]

@@SpicerDesignsLLC neither am i, my guy. we'll learn together!

[@FlatThunder]

Better than the combo machine, but doesn't look like it can handle the heavier stuff without blowing out L4 / L5. Wonder what's the next gadget in the bigger crate??? Cheers, 👍😁

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Hydraulic assist may be in the this brakes future

[@littleblue4x4]

Nice Machine! Maybe you can bring the mini X in to pull on the bars for those big bends!

[@mesadad5266]

You should use a hydraulic assist mounted to the arm

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I may add something one day

[@mesadad5266]

Hate to see you struggle. The older I get the more I look at easier ways to keep doing stuff without struggling. 😂

[@larrysmurthwaite773]

Dude, I have a similar brake by the same manufacturer, have been super happy with it and yes it has the large counter weights. That aside you probably need to adjust the radius so it doesn’t bind. The thicker the material the larger the radius. They are a great machine!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Good to hear youve had good luck with yours. Thanks for the pointer. I will try that.

[@danramos281]

Awesome video. Thanks for the review of the KAKA. “Machine”

[@tfudge210]

One heck of a Machine you got there!

[@philbetzer6834]

Machine, love the hat design. I never saw you set the blade offset for your material thickness. Each thickness ( gage) of metal will have a different spacing offset between the blade ( top punch) and the bottom (die). The top should move back about the metal thickness of the material to be broke( bend). Good luck and have fun with your new toy

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks for the info. I am going to try to increase the radius using the lower adjustment as suggested in a couple of comments. Ive never used one of these before so I need to get it figured out.

[@supertrooper7403]

:32…..that’s what she said, literally. Oh you lucky man…. then at 14:50, I was afraid for your life with that steel hanging out the back of the break lol… Great channel Machine.

[@The-Artful-Badger]

Hi Kyle. Could you fit an air over hydraulic ram setup on there ?

[@troy8003]

Great channel. Inspiring me to start a plasma cutter business. Sounds like a great side gig. MACHINE

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Theres money to be made.

[@gilbertmendez479]

Love the "MACHINE" and the channel keep up the good work.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks, will do!

[@Thebutteredsausage]

I bought the 48" box n pan brake.. bends 12 ga. Pretty easily with the counterweight.

[@RBallarddesigns]

Machine! Looks like a good piece of equipment. I think you are going to need to build some extensions for the lifting arms to get the extra leverage. I think one of the Sage hats is calling my name. Sending an email.

[@jeffstanley2193]

Love the comedy ! Machine! Keep up the great contect

[@fatfishdesignzllc]

machine, been looking at thes brake as well , thanks for the review

[@newt2010]

Did you set your gap for the steel to have room while bending? Looking at the video at the 17:30 mark, you have no room for the steel. Looks like the fingers at right at the edge, which would be ok on sheet metal. At lease that is my observation. Cheers

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

The fingers only move up and down. I adjusted the folding section down to allow for the thickness of material. Some viewers suggested i take it down further for larger radius. Im going to try that next time i use it.

[@daipower1]

Machine. I enjoy your channel, have my own cnc plasma and also have the exact same Baileigh Brake

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks! Seems like a nice brake so far

[@joewhitney4097]

I suspect you will find the max. width is based on much thinner material at full width. Maybe the adjustment for the handle needs moved out? Nice machine, good luck and be careful with your back. Thanks for sharing.

[@KenMrKLC]

1:08 you do a lot of metal signs made out of metal? What a concept! HEHEHE

[@heathenxyt]

Can you add some relief cuts to your wide 12ga so it bends easier? Your plasma should handle that.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I can but that was one thing i wanted to avoid. A lot of extra work and i have to weld and grind the seem. Wont look as clean as a nice tight brake. I have to make a couple adjustments and it should be easier to use. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ericwood4024]

I just noticed this n this video you didn’t fabricate a grill for your CK2610? I have a new CK3520 and want to have u fabricate one for my tractor. Should be identical? Love the channel. Don’t trip bro. lol

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

The grill guard has been the plan for a while, just havent got to it yet. Eventually ill get it done. I needed the brake for it to so im one step closer.

[@ericwood4024]

@@SpicerDesignsLLC awesome. Once you make the grill guard I’ll get in touch. I almost screwed up my tractor loading dirt in a tree chipper truck. Stay safe bro. Your kids are adorable. Eric Wood.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

@ericwood4024 thanks buddy! I appreciate it. Take care

[@kenschopshop]

Haha I forgot I had an Alexa in my living room until you started making it play while I was checking out your new " Machine "

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Hah! That happened to the girls too when they watched the video in the tv. Started playing techno

[@markknister6272]

Love the Machine! Snot even YOU can tip this machine over. You gotta be 6’5” to run that machine? Child labor but you did have two more assistants there to work the machine.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I thought about having them help

[@jameyslone2039]

Another great video. Love the hats. Machine!!!

[@retel8r]

You should look into the servo driven brake press machines, some have great tonnage & and small footprint, i think the Langmuir brand have a new press also in production?

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ill check into that. I was trying to find something that did require power. The Langmuir brake may be an option on day

[@cliffordmatlock3870]

Machine I like the hats! Black on black is great!

[@RP09691]

Machine Also, could prob rig something up with the forks on the tractor to lift the handles for the heavier breaks. 🤔

[@KenMrKLC]

Machine - an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task

[@camaroedogfood876]

It would be interesting to see you install a hydraulic ram to help with pushing the lever up .

[@tony.toronto]

Can you add a linear gear motor to assist with them lifting of the bender

[@charliemurphy2523]

Nice KaKa MACHINE. I see you had to put the 6-5 comment in there.....nice touch

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I gotta jab him when i can

[@ianshaunthomas]

Glad you finally got a well oiled machine with plenty of fingers.

[@curtishatfield9629]

NBS welding youtuber has a KAKA brake and he uses an overhead hoist to lift the handle when bending thicker gauge steel. You may need to build an 'A' Frame hoist above the unit so you don't blow out your O-ring.

[@JohnSmith-tv5ep]

Kyle, that KAKA is big step up from the 3in1 Harbor freight, but I still think yer gonna bust a nut with that MACHINE!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Haha! I think i already did. I had a couple of good tips in the comments that should help.

[@cayenne7792]

KAKA - great name for Chinese products !

[@lavalleyk]

Love the new nut buster Machine :D ... good luck much better then the 3 n 1

[@clinton8432]

Just found you and subbed. Great Video. thank you kindly

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

@@clinton8432 thank you!

[@Bullpen13]

Machine. That break looks like it will work good for you.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I think it will be perfect for what im doing.

[@Blast357]

next time Andrew Camarata style... use the tractor fork on these handles and lift the thing lol

[@richmiller2501]

Is the Comment word KEYSTONE? Sorry this is a Hard one! ... Good Info. Our Contractor has a Large Kaka MACHIEN. But it looks nothing like this. and Love when the whole family comes in to play..

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Your automatically entered in every giveaway.

[@dereksellars]

MACHINE, MACHINE, MACHINE!!! I like MACHINES are my Passion, there's nothing like a Good MACHINE..................DUH! I wish I had a GREAT MACHINE HAT. I could wear it while I have a Keystone while DOING wood working on my Table Saw MACHINE. Thanks for the Video about this MACHINE!!

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Hah! Nailed it

[@jasongrinnell1986]

I think you are on the right track. Machine!!

[@rs2024-s4u]

It did not break (pun intended) so it's tough and all is good. No one can change the amount of force needed to bend metal, longer arms would increase operator leverage and make it practical to operate single handed. Nice well built manual brake. Ray

[@EverythingElliott]

Thank god you went with Richardson...best hat manufacturer, bar none.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I really like their hats. Fit great too

[@dcmotive]

Machine! I thought I saw a high dollar Baleigh hydraulic brake in the background on one other video, you holding out? 40in wide?? Why did they short it 8"'s? You know its gotta be call 'kah-kah", nice try with the 'kay'keh'. Nice brake though. Im getting an inferior one of those from Grizzly this week (although gots the extra 8"). May do a video. I would have like to see a "Brake" dance back spin with a finishing pose including a "Machine!" call out, but thats just me.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Hah! No thats a dual drum sander for dross. I never use it though

[@jimjensen1414]

great work Kyle !!! MACHINE jim in Jax, FLA

[@LAWNPRO]

Weld up a pivot with bottle jacks for the long and thicker bends

[@roytreace7058]

Your brake should bend that size thickness. Maybe not the full width. Check your manual but i know if you adjust the fingers back some you will get a larger radius which will take less strength to bend. Where in indiana are you? I’m near woodburn. Machine

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I did have the radius too tight. I think that was my biggest issue like your saying. On this brake the pull up hand drops lower to increase the radius. Im in southern indiana

[@verminatordorset4905]

Yo Machine 😂 Those 3 in 1’s are great but only if you want to work under their capabilities which in turn makes them pretty useless. But there goes the reason they are cheap for the functions they do. You don’t realise how difficult it really is to simply bend metal even thin ish stuff lol. I’d love a larger capable finger brake but can’t justify it at least not until I can afford a cnc plasma table. Anyway, great video as usual thanks for the content 👍

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thank you!

[@bradpotter2592]

Another great Machine video

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks Brad!

[@chrisneeley2398]

I like it all but the lower arms and if you have a longer sheet of metal you would have to reach under the metal to get to the arms. But other wise it is a great MACHINE!!!!!

[@DogzRewl]

Im sure I'm not the first, have you checked out the Swag Offroad finger brake?

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I have. Its nice but not really what im looking for. Its definitely capable though

[@jeffreyhallam5517]

I have a “content” idea that you might like. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Gingery series of books but it’s a series about home made machine shop tools. These books primarily focus on home shop metal casting but that isn’t really an option for me and my shop. I’ve been wondering if it wouldn’t be more practical in this day and age to fabricate these tools using CNC Plasma cut plates and welding. I don’t know if a project or two from those books would interest you or be a good fit the channel but I’m curious. I’ve been imagining a fabricated metal shaper primarily since all of them seem to have been picked clean in my part of the country.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

I would love to build my own equipment, machine, implements… problem is time. I have too many irons in the fire right now. Ill check out that series though. Thanks for the info

[@Dan.A.]

Machine! Hey Kyle, what's under the black moving blankets?

[@jasongrinnell1986]

Machine! 😂

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ill be showing that in an upcoming video. Its the video i needed the brake for. Whats behind there is pretty underwhelming.

[@JohnSmith-tv5ep]

I sense other subs are getting anxious and questioning bout 'whats under the furniture blanket ' !!!​@@SpicerDesignsLLC

[@aaronwittich9583]

I’ve been thinking about getting a break for awhile now for now I have to put in a lot of relief cuts to bend by hand and then weld

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Ya thats what i was doing too. Very time consuming and its never perfect like a clean break. I think this break will do the trick for me. I just have to adjust the radius for heavier material. I tried to brake it too tight in the video

[@frankr.3513]

Great Video!! Machine...

[@Btknows75]

Machine. Love the channel. And subscribed

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Thanks! Much appreciated

[@appalachianman824]

Machine me a hat. Black on Black. One of my favorite AC/DC songs. The spelling is a little bit different though. lol

[@stanwooddave9758]

I've never seen this design brake, but if you take a look at the other model with the counter weight's, the handles that you hold onto are much longer, giving a better advantage for bending. I just can't imagine that the handles on your machine (the ones with the rubber-grips) are not adjustable. (WHATS ALL THAT EXTRA (Handle Dia.) MATERIAL FOR??? Good looks??? I don't think so.) To me, it looks as if you should be able to pull down / out the handles toward the operator, thus giving a better fulcrum advantage. If not, your job is to custom make adjustable (in / out) handles to at least match (length of handle from the pivot / bending brace) the other style with the counter weights.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Unfortunatly they dont extend out. I do plan on making some detachable cheaters for it though.

[@George-pg2ii]

Look's like a good machine!

[@jasoncline4383]

Don't know if it's been stated yet but it takes about 8 ton per foot to bend 12 gauge in a 3/4 inch bottom die in a press brake.

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

Wow thats a lot of force

[@ChadCyr]

MACHINE!!!! Glad you got a better brake, but "Why is it so hard?" LMAO

[@danjohnson8556]

It would be a better design to have longer handles that come straight out. That way you could put a pipe over them for extra leverage. With them bent inward, it makes it hard.

[@laurieperry8519]

Can you add counter weights?

[@SpicerDesignsLLC]

They do have similar models with counter weights.

[@michaelgonzalez8863]

Heels shirt ! Let’s go NC