Testing the Votex quick-change valved oil drain plug. Is it the best? (links in the description)

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@rubenrenteria6848 8 ай бұрын

I’ve been on the fence for these drain plug valves for probably over a year now, and I could not have asked for a better and more informative video thank you Porsche man. you rock!!!🪨

@ByGraceThroughFaith777 Жыл бұрын

I'm convinced that having a fancy plug increases the frequency of oil changes. I might get it just for that incentive

@tdz69 10 ай бұрын

Have this on my jeep for about a year now. Have a lift and prior to putting this on, draining my oil always resulted in very small droplets of oil splashing outside the pan. I have an empty cst litter jug and now drain the oil into that. The tube from this drain plug goes into the container and zero mess. Really easy. Zero issues and it’s great.

@rickwaldo4150 2 ай бұрын

How long does it take to drain 6 quarts of oil?

@zeza2217 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for showing this drain valve. I have it, and I removed it from my vehicle after a long while of using it. I got tired of it leaking (not from the thread but from the valve mechanism itslef) and also of using that hose attachment (trust me, I did it right. I'm a mechanic). Instead I installed the Fumoto Valve (the "S" model) which by the way does come with a safety clip so it does not come open by mistake. With the Fumoto I have never experience any leaking, and I don't need to use any attachments to drain (but you can also use a hose if you so wish). I found two other versions of this type of valve you are showing here (the "ValvoMax" and the "Stahlbus") and they both leak (I had them in different vehicles for at least two years) and they also get inconvenient over time with having to have that hose attachment to drain and they do leak from their mechanism. The Fumoto is truly a set it and forget it and literally you don't need any attachments needed to drain, just move the lever to drain, move it again to close. Done. But is true, in some vehicles the Fumoto will stick out and that can be dangerous. Fortunately, all my vehicles provide enough cover for the Fumoto valve so is a no brainer (and that does not include having an undercover shield which if you have then it does not matter if it sticks out or not). this is a certified hood classic

@ksavage681 9 ай бұрын

I have the Stahlbus and it does NOT leak. Even the cap has an O-ring. It's just a big ball bearing with a spring, nothing to leak or break.

@lordjaashin Ай бұрын

@@ksavage681he's shilling for fumoto. Its pretty easy to see

@lorenray9479 9 ай бұрын

A 2.5 gallon oil receptacle set under drain and a cup of tea will be just fine. No mess. I can safely drain it hot! No mess. I put one on each pickup! Nice presentation bro!

@warrenlucier5796 Жыл бұрын

2nd comment on oil drain plug. I ended up getting a Valvo Max which operates the same way and is of stainless steel construction, and this one requires a 24 mm wrench for installation. This company is in Texas and I'm in Florida. Received them in 2 days via USPS. I also got a drain valve for my 2013 Tacoma and 1989 Mustang 5 oh too. The cost is the same as a Votex.

@budlanctot3060 5 ай бұрын

I'm completely unconvinced that this is a worthwhile improvement. The only positive I can see is that on an aluminum pan, you are not wearing out the threads by threading the drain plug in & out of the oil pan every single oil change.

@Brian-vd4mg 22 күн бұрын

Bc your car is very low so the plug is not very accessible and/or this would allow oil to be drained without removing 8 fasteners that hold up a protective shield.

@GOODNESS-sp4hm Жыл бұрын

Love your gentle & clear presentation.👍🙏

@MichaelDurbin-qx4vr Жыл бұрын

The only reservation I have about this Votex valve was that the drainage flow rate seemed very low. My concern is that this low flow rate may result in less contaminants or particulates in the bottom of the pan may flow out. A high flow velocity likely carries more particulates along, sort of like a rushing stream. Other than than it seems like a good product.

@cybcx404 Жыл бұрын

Are you heating the motor up before draining?

@weliftnation2418 Жыл бұрын

@cybcx404 doesn't matter even after temp there still contaminate that will not come down if there a small area to drain out.

@FreshTopEnd 11 ай бұрын

Lol what a bunch of bullshit

@MrPimp601 11 ай бұрын

You dont flush the oil when you change it.?

@gavinrolph8184 9 ай бұрын

Add some extra oil to flush

@LTVoyager 6 ай бұрын

One of the advantages of the internal hex drive is that it prevents ham-fisted types from stripping the threads in an aluminum oil crankcase. The internal hex will strip before the drain plug pulls the threads out of the expensive engine case. That alone is reason to use them. However, it does require that you use a torque wrench to install the plug each time and I use about 90% of the manufacturer recommended torque and have never had an issue with a loose drain plug and they always remove fairly easily at the next change.

@nopenope134 5 ай бұрын

I have the Valvomax ones, and I'm very happy with install and changes so far!

@CliffsGarage 5 ай бұрын

I just got a ValvoMax to test, I like their integrated system (at least in theory)

@Sam-EU-88 4 ай бұрын

@@CliffsGaragekeep us updated in results

@Mforce712 Ай бұрын

@@CliffsGaragefollowing got results on the valvomax thanks

@shred_meister 29 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t fool with it if I had a shop like you got but in my apartment I need this lol

@tssci6774 8 ай бұрын

The ValvoMax drains much faster, has a 10qt, reusable drain bag/container so no messy transfer from pan to container. Designed and Made in the USA by a veteran.

@iinrefna 2 ай бұрын

Just say you like it more because it’s american

@tssci6774 2 ай бұрын

@@iinrefna why would I buy a foreign inferior product, likely made by someone getting slave labor wages, controlled by a communist, oppressive government.

@lordjaashin Ай бұрын

Votex is also made in USA too

@lorenray9479 6 ай бұрын

I tested my drain of 5w30 at apx 75 f . If left to drain with air in the original tube to catch jug, the oil drains slow. When I pinch the tube at jug and squeeze out air, and let it go, the weight of oil pulls oil out quickly!!!!!!! Fast flow!

@LTVoyager 6 ай бұрын

I also prefer external rather than internal hex drain plugs. However, I have had cars with internal hex plugs that survived 20+ oil changes without issue. The problem is that most people over torque fasteners, drain plugs in particular. And even manufacturers tend to specify higher than necessary torque values. I generally use about 90% of the manufacturer’s recommended torque value. This is more than enough to keep the plug in place and removal isn’t so hard that it distorts the internal hex drive. Use a good torque wrench each time you insert the drain plug and reduce the torque to 90% of spec and your plugs will last the life of the car in most cases.

@vollandt 7 ай бұрын

For me, whole point of a quick drain system is to not have to fumble with threaded connections. I prefer the ez valve system. Accidental opening is nearly impossible as the lever requires a deliberate shift shift to go up and over a safety notch before it will swing open.

@Melody666Nikki 3 ай бұрын

Looks and works like ValvoMax which I’m about to add my second one this coming up weekend.

@DC5Brandon Жыл бұрын

YES! I also hate the hex. I thought I was using the wrong tool. Good to know these always wear out. I guess that forces us to replace the plug for each change. I still would be interested to find one with a metric.

@joeblow3939 Жыл бұрын

Try a sparkplug wrench from a motorcycle tool kit. They are thin wall.

@warrenlucier5796 Жыл бұрын

Nice product and I don't care for the other one for the same reasons you quoted.

@woodglove Жыл бұрын

Very polite introduction sir nice to meet yah🫡

@jamesorr1200 10 ай бұрын

Awesome overview! Thanks!

@CliffsGarage 10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@rickwaldo4150 2 ай бұрын

I’m considering one of these for my 14 jeep grand Cherokee

@shred_meister 29 күн бұрын

Does it leave anything behind? I saw the other kind left like 100ml extra

@ByGraceThroughFaith777 Жыл бұрын

It's basically the stainless steel version of the toyota oil filter drain cap. Nice.

@jeffbrassard1268 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for doing this Cliff, I own a 2015 Boxster and have been considering installing one of these. How did LN Engineering spin on oil filter adapter work out?

@garym.5931 Жыл бұрын

I ordered one a few minutes before watching this video. I am probably going to cancel it because I was planning to put it on my Ford turbo diesel that has a 15 quart capacity. Oil drain time would be a whole day!

@votex3935 7 ай бұрын

We have tested our drain valves for oil drain flow rates. When the engine oil is warmed to operating temperature, it will be just shy of a minute per quart of oil. This was with 5W-30 fully synthetic and our M14 drain valve. Oil temperature was 175 degrees Fahrenheit.

@lorenray9479 4 ай бұрын

Just press out air from tube, pinching the end at container. The weight of oil in long tube pulls oil out quickly! Head of oil in pan may be 3 inches? I love mine with warm or hot oil! Perfect seal on both trucks!

@fortuneeight-p9z Жыл бұрын

How much oil is stll left in engine with the valve protruding into the oil pan?

@dandaly1868 Жыл бұрын

Good Question. I have the same question.

@calvintran8691 Жыл бұрын

@@dandaly1868 all designs out there have the same problem and the opening for draining is cut in half as well.

@kirkdarling4120 6 ай бұрын

If the oil pan is sheet metal, it has a threaded insert that extends inward of the inner surface of the pan as far as the thread of either the plug or the valve...in other words, it makes no difference.

@ThatCaymanGuy Жыл бұрын

wow! that is Ingenious!

@ebendana1 2 ай бұрын

Hi, i have the same problem you mentioned. I cant tighten it because there ks not space for the socket wrench. How else can i do it if i dont have your tool?

@yobroc6616 5 ай бұрын

how would this compare to valvomax ?

@nickv4073 9 күн бұрын

Sure its okay as long as you don't lose the removal tube. I'll stick with Fumoto valves. I have three installed on my cars and none have ever leaked a drop in 10 years.

@evak2580 Күн бұрын

THANKS

@CostantineYoussif Жыл бұрын

Do you ever need to replace it later in future? Is the gasket include in this valve a lifetime or should be replaced?

@towerturncoaching Жыл бұрын

Cliff - thanks for sharing. Any thoughts on a socket that can be bought that will work off the shelf for those of us that don’t have a way to bevel the leading edge? Hope to meet you in person at Sebring some day!

@overlandoverspenders 8 ай бұрын

How has this worked out for you in the long term? I'm considering putting it on an off-road rig it's going to get pumped around a bunch, but I'm assuming your race car would see more abuse.

@ronaldjurkovich4397 8 ай бұрын

does VOTEX have a recommended torque setting preferred over the Car's owner manual specs for the plug install? ONLY asking because I had bought a plug similar to this, but different brand, and they said to fasten to 13 lbs so it would not strip due to being a softer metal. My car at the time had 27 lbs for torque on the oil drain plug thanks

@guestguide2544 11 ай бұрын

What about a metal shaving getting under the valve that doesn't allow the valve to close fully?

@GarenP 7 ай бұрын

Presumably you'd see some oil in the dust cap and would clue you into needing to remove and replace it. Metal shavings sounds like a bigger problem to worry about though...

@fdimichele 7 ай бұрын

No issues with fumoto on my Mercury Mariner SUV. It is really high off the ground. My Kia Soul is very low and had to get fumoto sx swivel valve to protect it when not in use.

@kat4animals004 7 ай бұрын

I have a fumoto valve on my '05 tundra. No issues. Boyfriend has had the valve on his 2013 (got totaled) and now his 2019 tundra. No problems.

@donquixote... Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know how this compares to the valvomax in regards to the flow rate...? I believe the other features are the same, except the Votex having a lower profile.

@trumpwon8231 8 ай бұрын

So we have this system, also paid for it ourselves. Great, the need now is we still have to use all all the same oil change equipment because you have a oil filter to deal with.

@themikeroberts 3 ай бұрын

That's the reason I haven't ordered one. But I did see something called the Oil Under yesterday that makes removing the filter clean.

@degeneratex2 2 ай бұрын

i mean at the angle that valve is at the least of your worries would be shearing off that valve because if anythings hitting that you're hitting a lot more than just the valve and would cause a lot more damage on that oil pan than the valve itself.

@ElCid_86 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Certainly does make for a cleaner job. Can you post the specs on the correct plug for a Cayman? (I have a 981, not sure if different from 987).

@CliffsGarage Жыл бұрын

Offhand, I'd guess its the same (M18x1.5) but I can't swear to it. Amazon lets you filter by your car and it's been pretty reliable.

@ririsabilana4563 Жыл бұрын

where can I get this product if I live in Indonesia

@Dhahdbjdnd Жыл бұрын

Need a push down and turn cap to stop cap from vibrating off

@dandaly1868 Жыл бұрын

I agree

@pjcd7016 6 ай бұрын

Whats the life expectancy of that O-ring?

@kwondissimo Жыл бұрын

Can you confirm whether you had the oil fill cap loosed/removed or not during the drain timing tests? I'm sure you know this already but this helps alleviate pressure inside the engine and drain oil faster. Thanks for the indept review.

@CliffsGarage Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was removed. Although, tbh, half the time I forget and I've never noticed it makes any difference.

@kwondissimo Жыл бұрын

@@CliffsGarage Gotcha, thanks!

@frankv64 5 ай бұрын

I don’t know what the big deal is removing the OEM drain plug. I guess you save 3 minutes doing an oil change? Maybe not because it takes oil longer to drain. Not for me

@grassroot1100 5 ай бұрын

For me it's an issue with the valve being the part that allows the oil to flow, what if the valve gets debris in it and sticks partially open? Or goes bad? Nope, will stick with the simple plug. Thanks

@CliffsGarage 5 ай бұрын

If you have that much debris in the engine, I think you have bigger problems :)

@themikeroberts 3 ай бұрын

Then you would remove it and could install your old drain plug - just like you would anyways. But if there was that much large debris, I think you'd be dropping the oil pan anyways to clean out the debris after you diagnose the problem.

@Taino5.0 10 ай бұрын

Any leaks since?

@CliffsGarage 9 ай бұрын

Not a drop!

@iokuse8498 Жыл бұрын

Fumoto drain

@tundras4ever552 10 ай бұрын

Most vehicles draining the oil is not difficult or messy. No reason to overcomplicate things. I’m sure this doesn’t allow all the oil to drain either same as all the other valve systems. At that point just use an oil extractor.

@Davidityourself Жыл бұрын

i agree with you, at first i was like that now i have fumoto drain valves on all of my cars, they all have a locked lever and i never had an issue with any of them, i like this design also but accessories makes it not a fast oil change when i need to look for another item to change the oil

@calvintran8691 Жыл бұрын

you at least mentioned about the issues with the valve while the rest are just focus on how easy to drain but not to mention the negative sides of it.

@Sklit77002 5 ай бұрын

Releasing my magnet tipped drain plug also removes any foreign particulates thats been collected on the bottom, using these quick drain valves do not.

@stevenr6279 Жыл бұрын

❤️ your 👕.

@Dhahdbjdnd Жыл бұрын

Need drilled holes on side of thread that goes into oil pan so that all oil is drain out

@dandaly1868 Жыл бұрын

Excellent thpught

@ladykay8 7 ай бұрын

Now we just need a neater way to switch the oil filter! That's the REAL mess.....

@innerspace56 7 ай бұрын

Ok 4 minutes in and we can see a fairly nasty flaw, despite how much we should appreciate Votex for being creative and of course different drain-plug options are always needed in unique cases. So the whole thing relies on a rubber O-ring at the top of the internal spring valve. Guys we are draining contaminated USED motor oil all over and around that O-ring at every service. You don't think some (tiny but numerous) metal fragments and gunk/sludge might foul that little rubber ring?? I am open to some fair counterpoints here as we could all benefit. EDIT: Reading comments below and it seems several veteran mechanics are mentioning that these style of valves (several brands included) all are known to develop leaks. Hmm. Wonder why?

@Aeneas137 Жыл бұрын

That's an awful lot of additional effort just because you don't want to unscrew the oil drain bolt. you know, you could put a big funnel right underneath the drain hole. there are even funnels with long tubes underneath. when I change my oil, I always hold the bolt up against the threads as I am loosening it. when it is fully loose, then I quickly pull it to the side as the oil rushes out. btw, Cliff, I ordered a screw on oil filter adapter per your suggestion, from LN. not only is that more convenient but it increases oil pressure which is a good thing in these cars. ultimately, I'm going to buy a 2009+ 987.2 like yours which has a completely different engine from the .1. the M97 mostly solved the IMS problem but then added oil starvation as a feature. The .2 has 4 oil pickups (vs 2).

@towerturncoaching Жыл бұрын

In addition to it being cleaner, another added benefit to this is that since it only gets installed once, you don’t need to worry about ever stripping a drain plug.

@donquixote... Жыл бұрын

All the additional effort is a one time event. For all one's future oil changes...

@martyhowie75 5 ай бұрын

There’s a chance of loosing the drain hose and you having a very bad day! 😊

@CliffsGarage 5 ай бұрын

More like an irritating day. But that's a good point.

@johnholland3207 9 ай бұрын

So you can never take it in for an oil change after that installation. You must always do it yourself.

@CliffsGarage 9 ай бұрын

Well, yeah, of course. This product is aimed at DIYers, nobody who has their oil changed at your local Jiffy Lube would ever even consider it. If you want to start letting others change your oil, you take 5 minutes and swap it back to a traditional plug.