Texans-Cowboys Reaction: C.J. Stroud struggles, Micah Parsons’ future in Dallas | Colin Cowherd NFL

[@ryanslauderdale]

Houston Texans are officially the best professional football team in Texas.

[@stephenzajonc4766]

Or is it the Texas Longhorns?

[@jeremiahdaniel498]

No UT would get folded

[@KHY_001]

@@stephenzajonc4766he said professional

[@KHY_001]

It took the Texans beating a bad cowboys team to figure that out?

[@timoh21]

The Texans have been better than the Cowboys since they entered the league basically.

[@chalarious337]

Cowherd trying to opine on the Trump Dance is hilarious. He hates Trump.

[@wilcunningham5787]

You mean the same guy who got rid of affirmative action

[@nandisaand5287]

He hates the guy that just named a white nationalist Sec./Def, made a sexual his AG, and tapped a Conspiracy nut with a brain worm to wreck HHS? The guy who's made no secret of his affinity for Putin, Un, and other Authoritarian dictators? Huh. Imagine that.

[@didierduplantier8359]

He probably makes an appointment with his shrink every time he sees the dance

[@JustSomeGuy009]

​@@wilcunningham5787wtf are you yapping about? No one person gets rid of something. All forms of discrimination are wrong. Doing it to Asians is what lead to the lawsuits and court cases that forced the CORRECT actions to stop using immutable characteristics.

[@wilcunningham5787]

@JustSomeGuy009 when you put the judges in place you are responsible for it

[@michaellee5071]

I agree with you colin but Jerry’s ego will never let him do what’s best for the cowboys which is blow it up and start over.

[@herewego_pod]

Being a Cowboys fan sucks😔

[@mattmeagher365]

Yes it does! Jerry sucks more.

[@Wholenessandjoy]

45 years and I quit this year. I am out until they get rid of Jerry. Until then, I am a chargers guy now

[@kenxclout]

Jerry is 82 we don’t have much longer with him running things. Stephen probably isn’t much better. But at least there is a sense of the unknown with him. I know 1000% I will NEVER see a Superbowl under Jerry Jones

[@RC-ro4gq]

Lol imagine talking about the draft in November because your team sucks.

[@nigelhornberry8062]

@@RC-ro4gqI'm a Raiders fan. Might I introduce you to my tribe?

[@strictlace]

Caserio made the fatal mistake of letting Fant and Dieter walk in the offseason to free agency. These two journeymen O-linemen weren't world beaters, but they had what it took between the ears, and as a unit, we were a middle-of-the-pack O-line. He did not replace them with better options but relied on Kenyon Green, who has not shown any resemblance of talent in his previous years, and two second-year guys, Patterson and Struggs, who both had injury issues in their rookie seasons. Then Casserio let the trade deadline pass with no action to shore up the line. I am no genius but even I know how important a strong O-Line is...WTF is he thinking? I have no confidence in the Texans getting far in the playoffs with that unit.

[@joethomas6277]

Caserio missed on Kenyon Green. He wasted a first on him. He took Scruggs with a second and it looks to be another miss. They need to do a better job evaluating the OL in the draft or get some mid level free agents to fill in the interior o line.

[@nochilllwill]

colin said houston isn’t ready to beat buffalo? didn’t they make josh allen go 9-30?? and win??

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

You new to the NFL? If they played again today the Bills would win by 20. Fact!

[@DanaBentley-cp5ot]

Because of a missed field goal on a short week. They couldn't repeat it

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

​@DanaBentley-cp5ot yeah they could actually, but Would have to shore up the oline or Bills Would take it

[@bandupchris]

Good point

[@scottgreen2042]

​@@jarlwhiterun7478 no they wouldn't. Bills weakness vs Texans strength Texans win every time

[@KHY_001]

This season is the best thing to happen to the Cowboys. I wish they didn’t give up their 4th for Mingo.

[@DJuahn]

Remember when Colin said Cooper Rush is almost as good as Dak Prescott? Those were good days 😂😂😂😂

[@curtsiekert]

How many games did Dak win?

[@DJuahn]

@curtsiekert Dak 3. Cooper 0.

[@iggy471131]

He also said Ben Simmons was as good as Lebron sooo

[@Deonte692]

When was that 3 yrs ago😂

[@JustSomeGuy009]

In fairness to Cooper, the whole team sucks and have quit. Wouldn't matter if they had Dak.

[@jeremy28135]

I need that corduroy robe. I’d wear it with some boxers while walking out to get the paper, like Tony Soprano

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

I do that and I wear the slippers and a corn cob pipe that blows bubbles

[@PopePlatinumBeats]

while singing " sitting on a park bench...du du du du doooo "

[@RobertKurowski-it5hl]

I would be drinking a old-fashioned or maybe a great two finger whiskey

[@Lorkenzo-llama]

Argyle socks pulled up high...

[@isaigutierrez1617]

I need Ryan Clark's Two-face jacket

[@Nflwatcher93]

You said Stroud lost his top receiver in Stefon Diggs. Can’t let that fly. Nico Collins is far and away the Texans best receiver. Often hate to say it’s not close but it’s really not close.

[@iamclampz974]

Facts quite literally when Collin’s got injured and missed 5 games, he was leading the nfl in yards by over 100 😂

[@themeparkamusement2214]

I was sure Cowherd would somehow figure out a way to blame Jalen Hurts for the cowboys problems.

[@robogreek3157]

Jalen hurts and dak prescott are middle of the road qbs nothing more

[@anthonymo4846]

I am shocked Colin had a great take on the Trump dance. I thought he would be melting down like when Will Levis took pictures of his biceps

[@McRaeJim]

No kidding. The hypocrite doesn't look in the same mirror twice.

[@kingtrance307]

@@McRaeJim- And yet you keep watching him… 😂

[@michaels7159]

Make no mistake. Dump is still garbage.

[@publikenemi49]

It wasnt a great take.

[@williamfeick6741]

Cooper Rush is our Dallas Tank commander lol. Top 5 pick incoming.

[@ADUSN]

And Jerry will draft a bust, and so on and so on

[@williamfeick6741]

@ADUSN McMillan, Jeanty, Carter, Hunter. All correct answers and at least 1 will be available at 5 cause at least 1 QB will be taken in the top 5

[@JRZon-ms3jh]

The browns will be picking 5 or 6, ahead of dallas, which will be about 6 or 7, there are at least 6 teams with worse records than dallas.

[@dantheman8152]

The ending was hilarious 😂

[@martinezjames83]

😂😂😂

[@BELCAN57]

As a long-time Giants fan, I agree.

[@Crimsonvandal]

I’m floored that Colin defended the Trump dance

[@JamesHardy-yi1ph]

Mercury must be in retrograde 😂

[@Austin.Kilgore]

Wdym? Why wouldn’t he?

[@JamesHardy-yi1ph]

@@Austin.Kilgore Colin is a huge progressive.

[@crandonborth]

@@Austin.KilgoreCause he’s not a fan of him

[@drizzit2424]

Of course, he's changing. He knows which way the winds are blowing 🤣😂🤣😂

[@jtb__]

The Texans literally beat the Bills week 5.

[@SE-gs6gd]

They also lost to the Ravens

[@philstanton8912]

They’d crush them this time. They were still figuring it out and didn’t have cooper

[@zclan4130]

When the Texans were healthy 1.5 months ago? Have you seen how different the bills look now? Cmon

[@RealShaktimaan]

Texans don't have a QB that's the problem. They couldn't beat lions with 5 turnovers

[@jtb__]

@@RealShaktimaan you don’t know ball then. Stroud has not been the issue. Its coaching

[@clamus68]

Colin, CJ had a shit O Line last year. PFF had them ranked 24 in Pass Blocking and 29 in run blocking. CJ is much better than Goff. CJ currently has an injury to his throwing hand.

[@joeshoe6184]

Some folks are quick to crown, and condemn, young quarterbacks in their first couple seasons...

[@chrislong8559]

Cjs regressed

[@joeshoe6184]

@chrislong8559 for sure. I think any young quarterback is going to have ups and downs, especially early.

[@AdverseOpinion222]

Really good segment on “Inside the NBA”. Thanks Colin

[@Relayer6a]

Colin is almost as slow as Jerry. Micah should have been traded in the off season before FA. When are you going to flip/flop on the Dak signing, since you were for it.

[@15SilverSurfer15]

Now they’re tanking for shedure🤣🤣

[@scottiiiejames]

But this was their year 😅

[@kenxclout]

@@scottiiiejamesI truly have no clue where you guys get that from. Did you watch the game? Did you see all those empty seats in Dallas? Stop listening to Stephen A, REAL Cowboy fans know our season was over in the offseason.

[@justinjones2973]

He just talks at times 😂

[@DS-11]

You guys just don’t appreciate the art of sounding like you know what you were talking about when you actually don’t have a clue and Colin has mastered it.

[@christopherbiggers7811]

The boys were trash before the injuries. Last year nine of their wins were against teams that had losing records. They're going on a long sabbatical from being competitive and it started last year.

[@A_corofcb]

I always look forward to your post-game videos. Keep up the good work 👏

[@86Boxingtv]

I like what you have going, Colin!

[@acemiller101]

As an Eagles fan, I used to enjoy seeing Dallas fall short of expectations, and I used to relish the sight of disappointed fans in the stand.... AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣OH GOD!!! 🤣🤣🤣this has been the best year of football ever!!

[@Bossmill317]

Give me Cam ward over shedour any day

[@HawgWyldFishing]

That seems cool to say but one of them has required the absolute fluke wins of all fluke wins, against pretty terrible teams, and the other one actually wins shootouts against teams that most considered to be better overall teams. And one of them has a fairly tenured head coach and the other one has a coach that everyone said wasn’t/isn’t any good as a coach.

[@jasonstamm4484]

I appreciated what you said about the politics, dance thing. It was simple, eloquent and married with logic with some empathy. Good on you Colin. Thanks.

[@alangrund5031]

How 'bout them Cowboyz !?!?!?!?!?!

[@zack6701]

1. DET 2. BUF 3. KC 4. PIT 5. PHI 6. MIN 7. LAC 8. BAL 9. GB 10. WSH 11. DEN 12. ARZ 13. HOU 14. LAR 15. SEA 16. SF 17. IND 18. ATL 19. TB 20. CIN 21. NO 22. MIA 23. CHI 24. CAR 25. NE 26. LV 27. NYG 28. CLE 29. TEN 30. DAL 31. NYJ 32. JAX

[@scottiiiejames]

Solid

[@dantheman8152]

Good job

[@DS-11]

Mia 21 NO 22

[@rafaelisslaam1894]

Texans should be 10th, I agree with ur top 9 but texans are better than ARZ, DEN, WSH.

[@scottgreen2042]

@@zack6701 Pit cant score touchdowns.

[@RorinoTheGreat]

People on both sides are constantly having meltdowns over who’s in office. I agree, take a deep breath. Control what you can control

[@SE-gs6gd]

Most unqualified person and the most unqualified cabinet in history. The DEI administration fr

[@vladtheimpaler7375]

The only smart move for the Cowboys is to start Trey Lance the rest of the season. If he gets a rhythm and shows something - GREAT. If he’s terrible and and you lose out - EVEN BETTER

[@JoseRodriguez-rl3ch]

You know it’s bad when we’re talking draft position at this point of the season. What we really need is a good coach and for Jerry Jones to go to a retirement home.

[@SomeChink]

I’m here for the childhood soccer set stories 😂

[@joshwhite2764]

Kudos to Colin for a balanced take on the Trump dance, thank Uncle Colin

[@robertking1818]

This season for the Cowboys fans is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT....EXCEPT FOR ONE LITTLE THING!!! Absolute MORON Jerry Jones RE-SIGNED WASHED QB DAK PRESCOTT FOR SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!!!!! WTF!🤦‍♀ Hurt guy Dak got injured(3 out of the last 5 years btw) and we get to see SEVEN GAMES OF TREY LANCE! We can certainly find out if the guy has anything in 7 games. Lamb got signed, draft class looks decent, Overshown is a beast and we are SET TO MOVE ON....except for that QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLAR MISTAKE by JJ. 🤣

[@aliali-ce3yf]

CJ still good. O line bad, Slowik and many of the Shanahan disciples are having bad years - I think defenses have figured them out. That said, defenses have also figured out CJ to a degree. He just needs to learn and grow. Happens to all QBs.

[@ADIMusic-md1ij]

11:05 you’d be surprised Colin where the young folks are leaning 😂 we’re so back baby 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@spencertaylor-mrliltay]

10:13 I totally agree Colin! I really wish the networks agreed. I don't understand why all the networks and the NFL are insisting on censoring any player doing it. It's just a goofy little dance. Doing it shouldn't be considered political or controversial.

[@jamesrusso7637]

Why is everyone discussing CJ's "struggles" without ever mentioning that he has been playing with a hand injury?

[@josepacheco3027]

Lost to Detroit by a last second field goal we beat buffalo which beat KC all we need is to find 2 more OL and we're good 🤘🏼

[@MauricioSandoval-xc9ih]

A 4 second dance is okay, but never wear your hat backwards as a QB 🤣

[@McRaeJim]

HA! No kidding. And Colin is an "independent" (read MAGA)

[@jseafous]

Anyone remember the 2000 Ravens? They were able to win a SB with little production from the offense and a dominant defense. The Texans D has proven that it can compete with any NFL offense, and their offense has the ability to get better throughout the season, when healthy. They are not one year away, they have the team to win now. I wish these experts would stop saying that.

[@jrws89]

As a Cowboy fan give me Ashton Jeanty the RB. Dallas has had a non existent running game for years and this kid is special. He’s actually been quoted recently as saying he wants to come to Dallas!

[@gtparker2317]

Says he releases the ball to quick...I wonder why...perhaps a bad O-line

[@Drofthechalice]

Jerry can say all in by starting Trey Lance.

[@joeshoe6184]

He must be really terrible in practice, considering niether SF or Dallas were willing to give him a shot at second string.

[@jdc4483]

I find it interesting. How the very people who are condemning Dallas for paying Dak too much, are the same people who were pressuring Dallas to pay him or else they would be racist.

[@Tamarus19]

I can't stand Dallas, so I certainly don't mind their current situation. The issue was not paying him sooner. If they did, they would have been able to pay him less. Dallas waited, and the going QB rate went up, then they were stuck paying the "new rate".

[@cmoore9354]

Houston beat the Bills and caused 5INT’s against Goff, WTF are u talking about dude?

[@HookemFishing]

Things would be dramatically different if we scored 3 points second half against the Lions. Certainly a healthy Houston would have won that. While its frustrating... at least we know we can hang with the best. Nico would have made a tremendous difference.

[@ace.45-g8e]

The left side looks crazy 😂😂 January 6 do they look that crazy?

[@atticusrex2691]

Right? Like that wasn't the ultimate meltdown

[@michaeltischuk7972]

no deep breaths, just hold it, for a long, long time.

[@pcmountaindog]

3 wins, at 20 million each. Old Jerry really got his moneys worth out of DAK. Not much left to get anyone else.

[@Rockfordfiles42]

Colin stay out of politics please. Is it that hard to believe that the players are doing it because they support Trump. Before the election you said that Kamala would win no problem, but there’s no way Trump would get voted back in and now you’re being all nonchalant stick with sports cause you’re already a flip-flop on that.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

They don't support trump, they think the dance is funny and gay (which is definitely one of those) and they don't like paying taxes and we get to foot their bill!

[@TheAnduwan18]

Facts.

[@q4077]

Rather have daffy duck then Trump, don't trust that guy

[@mtadams2009]

@@q4077He should be in prison for January 6th alone. I live in a very nice town outside of NYC and I know multiple people who have had business dealings with him. They all say he is full of crap and not all that smart.

[@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423]

I brought up micah over a year ago and ppl thought it was the craziest thing ever and now everyone is talking about micah being traded 😂😂

[@user-Calrulk55]

If i was Dallas id trade Micah if someone is willing to give me to firsts for him, then id swap one of this years first for two 2's one this year one next and then tank and trade everything i got for Arch Manning year after would have atleast 2x firsts and 2x 2nd's to trade with and Ceedee if i have too.

[@Handletaken4]

As a Husker fan I can tell you something for free. If you don't have a FB who can catch passes and a RB who can get 3 yds and a team that cannot rush for 200yds then you're playing Blackjack from 16 every down. Look at Cincy: 3/7 and best QB in AFC North

[@toetheline1591]

Dallas needs to trade Parsons. He's the NFL version of angel reese. Too active off the field and doesn't take the craft too seriously after 1 good year.

[@garywenzlaff6918]

Parsons is hot and cold not consistant trade him period!!!!!!😊😊

[@mh_golfer]

What are they going to get for MP, 2 first round picks and they will need to use one to hope they get a pass rusher 1/2 as good as he is. Pass, you don't trade 25 year old stars unless you get a huge deal for them.

[@Anderson0490]

Dallas vs Giants talk about an unwatchable thanksgiving game

[@willmarinac5201]

Turkey out Cutlet in!

[@carrite]

Watching the Cowboys fail never gets old.

[@James-w8x1q]

As a 50 year old Cowboys fan, I am DONE with them and Jerry FN Jones! I am switching as a Texan to the Texans UNTIL Jerry Jones goes on to meet his maker! And I hope that is not to far from now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ZynxMods]

Lmao Jesus

[@Rockfordfiles42]

I don’t think Jerry Jones will win another Super Bowl as long as he is alive and running the team, I am a Chiefs fan in Kansas City native but I am not a Dallas hater

[@Eli-lg3fj]

Jerry jones is immortal

[@brandonhallam51]

Smart move

[@anthonyclay9694]

Mathematically, Cowboys still in playoff hunt!👍

[@chadwickerman]

Don't give up on the Bears Colin. It's a real possibility they lose out the rest of the year. They could squeeze into the top five draft pick order for the third year in a row.

[@kennethmacgregor7377]

I know we have Will Anderson and hunter. But if there’s room At linebacker outside. I wouldn’t mind him in that position if ever needed one in the Texans

[@kevstervegas]

The issue is the cowgirls over pay for their players. Add to it that commanders are up and eagles keep flying and this team is in a pickle for years to come. At least they own the G MEN

[@bennettoberfeld614]

If he says it's a weak draft so the Cowboys should trade down, why would a team smarter than the Cowboys want to give up draft choices to trade up?

[@ss_IIII]

why didnt you react to bengals chargers? get it together old man

[@Nflguy4949]

“If he had great protection he’d be really special”. Funny that Cowherd never mentions that about Purdy who plays at elite level behind a mediocre Oline.

[@terrelllittle668]

Keep parsons trade dak & let him choose the team he wants to be traded to rather keep micah for the long haul than dak

[@Saharadesertdragon]

If you have a top 3 pick and you don't want a Qb I'd take Travis Hunter as he is elite in O and D for the Commanders he'd solve 2 problems in one go on one pay check

[@NotSoDelusionalDallasFan]

As a cowboys fan I disagree with the Micah trade, you don’t trade a generational talent like him. The cowboys can trade Demarcus Lawerence or Zack Martin though just not the youth.

[@NapoleanKelly]

Knock it off Cam Ward is like that and best QB in college hands down

[@lehighstar474]

Bo Nix and Drake Maye will have a better and longer career in the NFL

[@Joel-zy2zw]

When the Cowboys lose, it’s always a great day!

[@mikepittelli146]

My best bet by looking at the expression on Parsons face He wants out and he knows as long as Jerry Jones is in the driver’s seat, nothing in Dallas will change

[@theo6348]

Daks cap hit is 90 million next year. He’ll be 32 coming off hamstring surgery and has a 2-5 playoff record.

[@mh_golfer]

32 is a QBs prime and they will use void years to cut his CAP number down to $40 million

[@theo6348]

Depends on the QB. Some age differently than others. Not everyone is like a Brady or Drew Brees. Dak relied a lot on mobility and with less mobility he is worse. Yeah we know you aren’t a Contract expert and we’ve all heard the void years and pushing money back and converted it to a signing bonus to lower the cap but that’s if you think you can win and it just causes more trouble down the road. I don’t know why you’re defending Dak, he’s an awful QB with the worst deal in football

[@jamiefisher1362]

when gruden was on w/ Mcdonough they went crazy on MNF…

[@ryanweidner6828]

Great take on the Trump dance.

[@derbyct864]

Took you this long to think Parsons should be traded

[@bobwhitebread1887]

Ewers the quarterback from Texas is going to go high in this draft too.

[@GaryFord-ib7oz]

Jimmy Johnson: 1989-1993 Barry Switzer: 1994-1997 Chan Galley: 1998-1999 Dave Campo: 2000-2002 Bill Parcells: 2003-2006 Wade Phillips: 2007-2010 W h y 9 yrs +" 3-4 prep **Jason Garrett: 2010-2019 Mike McCarthy: 2020-

[@Fauth07]

“It’s just a dance.” But he’s supposed to be the most hated person on Earth, right? 😂😂

[@kelbob00]

Give Cam Ward Travis Hunter at WR…exactly. Miami doesn’t have a starting WR that can touch Hunter athletically.

[@H-Town_83]

Been saying for 3 months. Parsons will be in Houston next season.

[@bobwhitebread1887]

The Cowboys troubles is on the gm, Jerry needs to fire the gm.

[@Buasop]

Jerry needs to fire himself

[@ADadSupreme]

The Philadelphia Eagles and Howie Roseman will give Jerry a third-round pick for Micah Parsons. I think Jerry should take it. When Micah's contract is up, he's going to bounce and I don't blame him. Philly might be interested. They'll take other teams Pro-Bowl players like Barkley all day.

[@stephenjenkins400]

Parsons probably wants to be traded. Can't blame him. But don't worry, Jerry's all in.

[@MMWoodworking]

It’s so hard being a Bengals fan and being so bad that we are just irrelevant beyond people tracking the Burrow-Chase stats. God, I miss the days from a few years back where every show had at least a little on my Bengals. Now I have to hear about the Cowboys being trash, because even when they are trash they are still the biggest story. Time to put Jerry in a home.

[@nickbarcheck1019]

The Detroit Lions are the best team in the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys are the worst. What a time to be alive.

[@Mark-bb4ks]

That’s insane, you put jaguars above Dallas?

[@nickbarcheck1019]

@@Mark-bb4ks Dallas is awful. They are one of the three worst teams.

[@CamBo-d5m]

Come on man! The Sanders are all hype!!! Go Cam Ward!!!

[@rgood1204]

Definitely trade Podcast Parsons if you can find a taker. Too bad Collins couldn't go last week.

[@BlueBarrier782]

Colin using that quiet late night voice to not wake the wife lol

[@bigbrownsound]

There’s a dance?

[@delusionalvikingsfan18]

Colin. Minnesota is 8-2 with a 95% chance to make the playoffs. We're not "sneaking in" anymore

[@jworrell34]

Cowboys need O-Line upgrades before skill players will make much difference. D-Line too, but O-line is horrible.

[@xristof_anast]

Why we are not talking about Quinn Ewers or Carson beck? and they only talk about Sanders and Ward?

[@realizest7657]

Have you seen Carson beck play? 😂

[@alphabarre9096]

I'm 100 percent sure you never watched them play, otherwise you wouldn't mention them 😮😢😂

[@realizest7657]

@@alphabarre9096 huh?

[@alphabarre9096]

@@realizest7657 😂 I'm talking to the guy above you.

[@xristof_anast]

@@alphabarre9096 ive watched several games of them. both should be in the first round. and i would take both of them over cam ward

[@roberthorton2081]

Did he just compare sanders to Daniel’s…😂😂😂 this guy

[@josephsilva3639]

Thanks unc

[@jacksmith5562]

Cowboys should draft Quinn Ewers!

[@glenwatson8185]

Didn’t Texans beat buffalo this year?!

[@Djalexander0521]

I’m believe cam ward is the best qb in the league

[@larryr.burgess3318]

Parsons- no sacks and one assisted tackle! Quit calling this guy another LT!!! Trade him!!!

[@randysmith2866]

America’s team got trounced by the real Texas team!

[@RealMadrid15UCLs]

10:15 I know Colin is crying inside

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Sounds like you are

[@stephenzajonc4766]

@@jarlwhiterun7478does it thou?

[@stephenzajonc4766]

100% he is crying on the inside. At least he is mature enough to not lose his mind publicly.

[@scottwhite14]

Minnesota is 8-2, they have a chance to sneak into the playoffs? I mean the teams that have to jump them are 5-5