Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 2 (English Version)

[@davidarbuckle7236]

It isn't just the direction of the shots. There was also a quick succession of shots. Most of the witnesses agreed there was a very fast sequence between shot #2 and shot #3. Which would be impossible with a bolt-action rifle.

[@tomscott3]

This is _exactly_ the first thing that tipped me off regarding the assassination really being a conspiracy. Very Best Regards, Tom Scott Author ● Speaker ● World's Leading Expert on the Corrupt U.S. Legal System _Our American Injustice System_ _Stack the Legal Odds in Your Favor_

[@franclin0]

A lot of them also heard them spaced almost evenly apart. Ear witness testimony doesn't trump hard scientific physical evidence.

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@franclin0 Yes, if you value the Warren Report version of evidence. but many witnesses in the motorcade and on the knoll including Secret Service, Journalists, and even Congressmen along with the Railroad Switch operator stated that the shots were right on top of each other. Regardless, we now know they found more bullets at Parkland than were fired from the "Oswald Rifle."

[@InnocentSpaceAstronaut-fu3ss]

Exactly 💯 percent!

[@alrifr5786]

​​@@franclin0 false. Out of a hundred witnesses who heard three shots, only one or two thought they were evenly spaced. The vast vast vast majority of witnesses heard shots two and three in rapid succession.

[@jeffjeff4477]

Just looking at the film footage, it looks like a crossfire, behind and the side.

[@e77toe77]

There's just WAY too much information out there to realistically believe that Oswald "acted alone" or even did ANY of the shooting at all. No one even discusses any use of a silencer for shooting...autopsy photos show 2 entrance wounds on Kennedy's back and one on his neck, Connely was hit at least twice, the kill shot, the bullet hole in the windshield, the bullet hole on the chrome of the top of the windshield, one in the ground by the manhole cover, one missed hitting George Teague- thats 10

[@thomaspalazzi5235]

James Tague

[@jimmylieb5225]

Yes. James Tague.

[@shermbloom879]

Yes, and everyone heard three shots, and you are describing gun fight at the ok Corral. You forget the bullet hole in the Stemmons freeway sign and the one that hit by the railroad track. BTW, all of the wounds on Connally are consistent with him being shot from behind. Don't buy the single bullet. Fine, he was still shot from an area that is inconsistent with all the conspiracy theory people. The were using a silencer on the roof of TSBD. How's that.

[@alfx5432]

No evidence that Oswald fired a shot. He was set up. That's what I believe and aways will.

[@franclin0]

Well, way too much (mis)information is out there. Oswald did it and totally did it alone. The real "information" is out there too.

[@OnlyThe1Son]

its great we can comment 15 years after this video was posted.. and 60 years after the event!!! we have so much information and technology at our finger tips now. the other people in that time had to take the information day by day year by year... we all have 60 years of data right here... and we still are divided! LOL

[@JohnWest-zq5gs]

@@OnlyThe1Son people just can't comprehend set a poor average guy like Oswald took down the most powerful man in the world people just can't comprehend it Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone the facts are facts and it proves Oswald acted alone

[@MissPerriwinkle]

most folks ran to the grassy knoll when shots fired, not the TSDB

[@Caeruleo]

"most folks ran to the grassy knoll when shots fired, not the TSDB" That is incorrect. Various films and photographs show that at least an equal number gathered on Elm Street in front of the TSBD.

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@Caeruleo hahaha 😝 lol 😅

[@Caeruleo]

@@ronniebishop2496 Yep, still ignoring the vast majority of the evidence, and still too much of a coward to admit that William Greer and Roy Kellerman never said anything about any shot reminding them of a "sonic boom" or any statement of even remotely similar meaning. And you still can't explain what's difficult about firing three shots at a slowly moving target, with the longest shot being only 88 years, and hitting the target two out of three times.

[@brianstevensii938]

The killer was on the South Knoll, he alone took the shot directly into the windshield that hit JFK in the throat, and he alone also took the shot that hit Kennedy in the head after Roy Kellerman stopped the damn Limousine....bastard. Additionally JFK, was being shot at from behind on the 2nd floor of the Daltex building as well as the concrete gondola that was directly behind Abraham Zapruder by the "3 Tramps" which were the other hit team. Additionally, he was being shot at from the roof of the County Records building and she was also being shot at from the west corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD, by riflemen who were NOT Lee Harvey Oswald. Of course there was a team on the Northern grassy knoll that did not hit JFK. But did fire that last very audible shot many heard that ran in that direction. All in all, there 4 or 5 teams in Dallas for a very well planned and intricate assassination, there were 3 black operations going on at the same time. 1). Scare tactic to say that castro was shooting at JFK to get him to reignite military intervention in Cuba, an assassination 2) an abort mission team sent in 3) and of course to kill JFK(which was always the goal). Which is what the South Knoll team was brought there for, the other two operations were cover for the real kill operation. CIA, is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

[@judy9123]

One of the most important things I think that's overlooked in the assassination is the Warren commission. Why don't people talk about the person who was spearheading it, Allen Dulles. Why was he chosen? He was the CIA Director fired by President Kennedy for lying during the debacle of the Bay of pigs. Kennedy detested him. Not to mention that the assistant director, John Cabell was also fired. Cabell sound familiar? His brother, Earle, was the mayor of Dallas when President Kennedy was killed... Dulles was the embodiment of what a CIA director should be. The CIA never forgave Kennedy and continued to hold Dulles in high esteem. He never held a position again and continued to be involved in CIA activities. He is the last person on the planet who should have had anything to do with the Warren commission.

[@normanspurgeon5324]

So true- people don't have the attention span to figure out what happened. The fact that Dulles was deciding who killed Kennedy, reeks of a plot involving many people. Hoover also immediately began promoting the 1 gunman idea, abandoning any investigation. He must have been in on it as well.

[@InnocentSpaceAstronaut-fu3ss]

Dulles was in on the plot!

[@actonspur5231]

​@@InnocentSpaceAstronaut-fu3ss along with LBJ and Hoover..

[@GhostRanger5060]

Don't forget the role of Congressman Gerald Ford, a 33rd Degree Freemason/Shriner. He oversaw the Warren Commission. He was duly rewarded for his role as we all know. By the way, Dealey Plaza was named after George Dealey, a founding father of Dallas who was also a 33rd Degree Freemason and the man responsible for bringing a Federal Reserve Branch to Dallas. Oswald was photographed in front of the TSBD when JFK passed the building. That photograph did, indeed, cause the investigators problems.

[@Jerry-b2i]

Smoking gun is right before your eyes, nose, face....the Warren Commission! They was on a mission and accomplished! They got away with it! Or, did they!!?

[@annazfker2028]

THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 ASSASINS

[@Ralphie5023]

I have always believed that folks are mistaken by assuming that there was one gunman firing from one location . This murder was done in ambush from different locations.

[@Johndoe345-k2d]

nope

[@Ralphie5023]

@@Johndoe345-k2d YUP !

[@portugal5698]

@@Johndoe345-k2d guys in at least 4-6 locations in Dealey plaza and another half dozen up the stemmons towards the trade mark as backup in case he miraculously sirvived the first “ride down the whirly dirly.” This was also another reinforcement in case for some odd reason, the motorcade did not end up going through Dealey. This was a calculated mob hit involving a mix of their own hitmen w/ military experience, cops on the payroll or on Hunt and/or Murchison’s as well, and disgruntled Cuban exiles who had by then become CIA agents and were able to rial up former/current agents who all shared a common trait, which was that every one of those gunmen were Bay of Pigs vets. Even plenty of mobsters were proud veterans, including Chuck Nicoletti, Roscoe White, Herminio Diaz, James Files, Jack Lawrence, Charles Harrelson, Stugis, Hunt, etc. They were funded by the mob and cowboy mobsters in Texas who collabed to get JFK out of the way in order to allow LBJ, who was already long on their payroll from both sides, into the office as he would play ball w/ them, when the Kennedy’s lied and screwed them over. This also effectively ended Bobby’s phony campaign against wealthy, elderly European men as well.

[@dab.]

Not a single witness has said they heard shots coming from different directions. They all say they heard 1, 2 or 3 shots all coming from the same location, whether that be the TSBD, the GK or elsewhere.

[@ClintSutherland-f7i]

The perfect triangle of ambush. You got the freeway above the triple underpass, the grassy knowl, the picket fence, the TSBD the del Tex building and the records building right next to it. That's a military style tactic. A good few years ago, the waterproof flashing was replaced on the roof of the del Tex building, and under the old flashing, an empty bullet casing was found. This is no longer a conspiracy. It's clear that the murder of JFK carries the face of a coup d'tat performed by the highest ranks of the America government at that time. Enough said. PS sorry to all the single gunman theory folks, and that Oswald did it alone. Bottom line, he never even fired a single bullet. And was exactly what he said he was, "I'm a Patsy"

[@bosshogg1915]

Thank you for providing this very interesting information.

[@dontgoout1434]

All ancient information

[@jimmylieb5225]

James Tague standing in front of the triple overpass was hit by either a bullet fragment or a particle chipped off the road curb in front of him. Believed to have come from the DalTex Bldg that is kitty corner to the DSBD.

[@Patrick-il4es]

Based on scientific data, the bullet left damage to the curb in front of Tague and was in accord with the firing directly from the Texas School Book Depository. There is no possible way that the bullet came from the Grassy Knoll or Overpass. It is not surprising that witnesses heard shots from all different directions. None of them were audio or weapon experts.

[@Johndoe345-k2d]

nope

[@franclin0]

Tague was hit by a concrete chip that broke off the curb when one of the fragments of the 3rd and fatal headshot struck it.

[@actonspur5231]

​@@franclin0the tiny mass of a decimated bullet fragment would not have sufficient force to dislodge a dense concrete curb chip, only an entire bullet of a missed shot could do that..

[@franclin0]

@@actonspur5231 really? Because one of the fragments put a huge dent in the chromework above the windshield and another cracked the windshield. Little flake of concrete breaking off is nothing. Wasn't much bigger than a pencil eraser.

[@44hawk28]

Bonnie Williams stated that he was at the sixth floor sniper's perch from noon till 12:20 to 12:25. That gave whoever supposedly shot from that window or 10 minutes to be there shoot and get the hell out. But they didn't get out right after the shooting. SAR is a photograph taken at least 20 seconds after the show where there's still three people standing in the first two windows at the East end of the building. All while Oswald is on the second floor eating lunch? And several witnesses in Dealey Plaza state that they distinctly heard at least four shots. One shortly after the limousine turn the corner and was underneath the sixth floor window. To about a second-and-a-half apart as the car was nearing the traffic sign that you see in the Zapruder film. You clearly see Kennedy shot and then there's a frame in which you see the lapel flip on Connolly's jacket has he's turning around about a second and a half after Kennedy reacts to being shot. There's evidence of at least two more shots. One that hit Kennedy in the head and one that missed Kennedy from the grassy knoll, and impacted the ground across the street. Witnesses in Parkland Memorial Hospital about 10 minutes or so after Kennedy was taken into the emergency room saw several people coming to the hospital with gunshot wounds from Dealey Plaza. Yet that never made the news. Wonder why?

[@philwright2480]

I have followed this for 40yrs, own and read almost every book, same with etc, I have never heard of any other gunshot victims from the plaza, there were witnesses that saw one, maybe two shots hit the street behind the limo, there was a bullet hole in the windshield and a dent in the frame, a bullet found on the grass, and in the 70s a worker on top of the Dal Tex bldg found shell

[@OnlyThe1Son]

@@philwright2480 right and the doctors never said they treated anyone from the plaza with gunshot wounds.

[@mikeprevost8650]

Roy Truly, Oswald's boss, and a motorcycle officer encountered Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room, drinking a Coke, approximately 1:30 to 2 minutes after the last shot. It defied belief that he'd stop and buy a soda, and drink it there, in the middle of his getaway.

[@OnlyThe1Son]

@@mikeprevost8650 Exactly... the whole day makes no sense in the eyes of a killer... lets say he brought the gun to work.. so he planned to kill him.. then we have to assume he doesnt want to get caught right? so youd think he would cover his tracks or at least try to.. the arguement he was an idiot doesnt make sense.. the guy was working for the military in Japan .. sure the military hires any grunt.. but he was at the U2 spy airbase.. ok.. what ever.. the guy spoke fluent russian.. he taught himself!!! one of the hardest languages on earth to learn.. he speaks it fluently... anyway back to the shooting. so he decides to kill JFK from the building where he works!!!! not the other buildings around on the roofs, but HIS building.. LOL then.. he is seen in the lunchroom at 12.26 so he runs upstairs, gets into position. no one sees hims going up stairs.. he rushes , grabs the gun.. I guess he has loaded it and checked the scope already earlier that day.. moves some boxes or they were premoved.. gets into position.. fires 3 shots in 8 seconds.. 2 hhit the mark. he then rushes to stash the gun!!! LOL wtf?? stash the gun??? like you think nobody is gonna find it hahahahahaha and with that crazy thinking of ohhh Ill hide the gun in some boxes and come back and get it later... he LEAVES the casings on the floor!!!! LOL... dafuq... he could have easily picked them up and thrown them out the windows, put them in his pocket.. done anything.. BUT HE leaves them laying there... then.. all this in 60 seconds lets say, and the stashes the gun, leaves the casings..( I asuume he forgot) runs downstairs and grabs a coke... the cop and boss see him, not out of breath or sweating or high on adrenaline youd think youd be after killing your first human. killing the most important person in the world and done it in 10 seconds. and you are trying to follow tracks and have planned it for days and its going well.. now... you decide to leave the building... WHY??? a get away??? make your escape? youve left the gun, the casings, left your place of employment on the most important day in history.. RUN LEE RUN!!! head to MExico!!! head back to RUSSIA... NO... lee just strolls around outside, walks.. doesnt run. just walks.. catches a bus.. a taxi.. and goes home... goes into his bedsit and sees everyone in the communal living room watching the TV about JFK... he says hi.. then goes to his room.. grabs his jacket and his pistol... and heads out to go watch a movie.. UMMM.. you have just murdered the president of the united states.. left your gun and casings at work.. you know a cop ran into the building so you assume that your building is gonna be searched... PANIC? NO... just goes walking to the cinema.. runs into TIPPIT.. SHOOTS him in coldblood and empties his gun into him.. drops all the shells on the ground, to leave more trace... and then runs off, and runs into a theater.. bought the ticket.. didnt buy the ticket.. bought a coke.. didnt.. what ever.. now he is sitting in the theater.... cops come in.. then rumors swell, he tried to kill the cops, he said, this is it.. hit the cop.. bla rblar.. walking out he said the cops have hit him and he isnt resisting arrest... so.. what do you have here? you plan to murder kennedy! you want to be caught to be famous? then admit it... YEAH I KILLED HIM... you are god damn I did it.. bla rbar.. no... he wanted to shoot and run not be caught.. no thought WHAT SOEVER went into the escape plan.. NOTHING.. not one thought.. the car ride to work.. the morning at work.. the night before in bed.. how will I escape and not be caught? NOTHING... he wanted to get caught? he wanted to be famous for the guy who killed kennedy? he wants to be remembered, be the man who did it.. have his name in the history books... more famous than JFK himself... FAME... then... why not admit it!! ? ohh he wanted to create a case and the crime of the century 50 years before the OJ trial... he planned to go to caught and be on tv and papers and soak it all in for years... live in the glory and fame and have everyone talking about him.... REALLY??? so he master minded it... leave the casings, leave the gun... leave the trial which can and maybe cant come back to me.. he thought it all through and took every step to make sure in court he will be found not guilty and will be left off and BE FAMOUS! NO.......

[@janetphillips2875]

@Twitter Is Cancer or the whole thing....

[@melbar7271]

I think most of the people talking about where the shots came from were correct there were at least 3 teams probably 4 and when the car was at the sign that was their last opportunity, the car slowed dramatically at that point. I believe James Files account is correct but was only aware of his part had no knowledge others involved except his boss in the dal Tex building

[@roneubanks829]

Ive always believed the first shot occured at the turn on to elm striking the light fixture . imo thats why the turn was cut out from the zfilm. Look at the towner video on you tube , you will see a splice in the film and looks like jfk ducked or flinched for a second .

[@750mvagustabritten3]

I believe James files account was accurate, he was only aware of his part with mob. He had no knowledge of the probably 2 or 3 other separate unrelated teams

[@googleuser6201]

Look at the trajectory of a shot from the grassy knoll. Also realize Kennedys head was pretty much facing directly at Mrs Connally when the president was shot in the head. You will clearly see that a shot from the knoll 8 to 10 feet from the end of the fence would put a bullet directly in the right side of Kennedys head and if not the bullet the blast itself would have gone through the left side of his head. Nobody disputes that the shots were either back to front or front to back. There is absolutely no doubt that IFFFF a bullet was fired from the Knoll it missed!

[@9Ballr]

If most of the people were correct, then there was only one shooter. Fewer than 5% of witnesses said they heard shots from more than one location.

[@actonspur5231]

​@@9Ballrhuman hearing generally localises to the nearest sound source, which does not preclude the possibility that shots may have been fired from multiple positions..

[@trojanette8345]

6:50 -- Screen shot. They knew all along LHO was in the building coming up the stairs just as he had said, and they suppressed the pictures, all these years. OMG.

[@GhostRanger5060]

yes

[@318lotis]

if three shots came from 6 floor window, there would have been witnesses. people would have seen the shooter easily. broad daylight 60 feet up open window would have been spotted easily. not to mention, people were looking for origination of gun fire.

[@jacobjones5269]

First of all, they were all looking at Jackie.. Secondly, Dealey Plaza is an echo chamber..

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

I’d put more faith in the few that said they actually saw the bullets. Almost everyone says 3 shots but all sorts of claims about where they thought they came from. It’s very difficult to determine where gunfire is coming from just based off sound.

[@donkunes8630]

So not only did the secret service fail to see the open window on the 6th floor but on the 4th also as two employees stated they stood in the open window on the 4th floor

[@franclin0]

Even when Eisenhower did motorcades, there were always dozens of windows open along the parade routes. The secret service can't make sure every window is closed on a parade route, that's silly. There aren't now, nor were there ever enough SS agents to do that.

[@actonspur5231]

Wrong. SS agent Clint Hill has testimonied on several televised occasions that he saw the top floor windows of the TSBD building were open, when the motorcade turned between Main and Elm..

[@GhostRanger5060]

The Secret Service was not allowed to do their job that day: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ23mXWQobdoitk

[@liten48]

its obvious it would impossible to pin point where the shots came from , in the plaza , the shot noise would just bounce off all the building

[@Wombah-rc6zz]

With the outside witnesses, some of them could have heard the sounds of rifle fire bouncing off the TSBD & other buildings. THAT has to be expected! I laughed when I heard some say that the shots MUST have come from the book depository because the pigeons on the roof of this building all took flight! Once some birds are spooked & fly, the rest follow & their flight is NO INDICATION AT ALL where the shots came from. Only that they heard the sound & were spooked by the sudden loud noise!

[@thetruth72667]

@G P Haha that's good!!!!!

[@ronaldhol9175]

All I know is that Kennedy didn't stand a chance that day. No bubbletop to maybe deflect a bullet....No Secret Service immediately around him, and no telling where the hell the shots were coming from. Kennedy was a wide open target and SOMEBODY took full advantage of that.... Was that a coincidence?...I THINK NOT !

[@AN-vt8qq]

Some kids were shooting off m80s one night near my home, I went outside to investigate because the sound was coming from across the lake! When I got outside I heard some kids from the opposite direction behind me and they lit another m80 and again it sounded just like it was being shot from across the lake and If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I would have bet my life that they were being fired from across the lake not behind me.

[@patrickvanwormer509]

I was thinking maybe an echo effect of the shots from the grass knoll . Also the driver of the limo may have fired a shot at JFK . Possibly the shot that struck him in the throat .

[@halibut1249]

@@patrickvanwormer509 - I never heard that one before. Wouldn't that be debunked by the Zapruder film, or wouldn't Connolly's or Jackie K. have seen that? I think the sources of gunfire in Dealy Plaza could be misleading, though, with the tall buildings, and surrounding triple overpass and concrete walls and RR berm. They prob did tests but I have no idea what if any results came of it.

[@patrickvanwormer509]

@@halibut1249 did you know the driver stopped the car when the shooting started ? He was definitely in on it . That his when he turned and fired imo .

[@johnanderson436]

@@halibut1249 The Zapruder film was edited the weekend of the assassination according to Doug Horne.

[@rocketshipsandrobotsinterg2184]

@@patrickvanwormer509 You can see the background " jump " in the zapruder film where frames are missing . It is at the beginning near where the first of 2 signs used to be . The sign kennedy comes out from behind of holding his neck before the fatal shot .

[@themeaningoflife38]

on the city of dallas website there is an affidavit signed by Deputy Weitzman that he found a 7.65mm Mauser rifle.Weitzman was also a weapons expert who owned a gun store at one time.There was also a 7.65mm slug found on the south side of Elm st.

[@gradyhernandez4699]

Argentine Mauser ¿

[@jacobjones5269]

There’s video of the rifle being recovered, and it’s Oswald’s rifle..

[@tarasbulba3190]

Was it a FMJ, HP, ? What type & what about the slug found laying on the gourney next to JFK? Amazing it landed there all by itself, or just happened to fall out of the body, with rifling marks and powder residue but none of the victims blood? Was the gourney pre prepared?🤔 Either way.....

[@tarasbulba3190]

@@jacobjones5269 Oswalds rifle for sure huh?, must be he registered it in his own name when he came to America. Otherwise it could have come from anywhere. Did you see his reciept w/ serial #, date, buyers ID confirmation? Not doubting you, just thinking I must have missed that somehow.

[@jacobjones5269]

@@tarasbulba3190 Or, did 4 different ballistics experts conclude the flakes in Connolly’s wrist came directly from CE399?.. With a 97% probability?.. lol..

[@roneubanks829]

The fact that not even 15 minutes after the shooting investigators were telling the witnesses they were wrong in what they saw and heard . all kinds of shady

[@gianfrancofronzi8368]

Why should any testimony cause problems for it investigators ?

[@danielhackett1581]

Because they only wanted 1 outcome

[@akanwells4845]

Where and when was the photo of Oswald and Lovelady taken? It’s the very last image in this video.

[@bubashalom8274]

It's very possible that their all correct from their own perspective, because gunshot sounds dependent on your perspective can be magnified due to obstacles causing the sounds to ricochet of objects. These sounds can even seem to echo, that is too say; one shot can sound like two or more shots; like clapping in an Roman style theater, which were made too carry or amplifier sounds. The overpass would be an obstacle for such, the grassy knoll as well, and so on. This could account for the conflicting testimony of the witnesses but the smoke from the grassy knoll is what it is.

[@davidcopson5800]

*they're all correct, *that is to say, *made to carry

[@bubashalom8274]

@@davidcopson5800 made to carry what? That is too say lol .

[@gregfox5453]

3 employees on the 5th floor, watching the motorcade, heard above them "boom, reload boom reload boom," there story never changes, but doesn't get into movies or books.

[@joshuafuller9898]

I don't think anyone is disputing that some of the shots came from the TSBD.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

@@joshuafuller9898 - If the Discovery Channel’s “Beyond the Magic Bullet” is an accurate reenactment, the single bullet theory shot could not have come from the 6th floor of the TSBD. It would have exited JFK’s chest.

[@natashatomlinson4548]

@@KevinBalch-dt8ot it exited his throat near his chest. Close enough

[@patrickvanwormer509]

A comedian Bill Hicks showed the impossible position oswald would have had to assume to shoot his rifle at all . Those 3 witnesses may have lied ?

[@patrickvanwormer509]

@@natashatomlinson4548 "exit" or entrance wound ?

[@donf3877]

What people HEARD matters none. There was and is such a thing as a silencer people!!!

[@joshuafuller9898]

On a high powered rifle? Still much louder than you think. It's not like the movies.

[@smartalex2578]

I recently watched a segment where all on the overpass were interviewed. Being away from the sound reflecting buildings and having probably the best field of view, all said the shots came from the grassy knoll, and some said they saw a puff of smoke at the picket fence. Not oft mentioned, there is a street drain right there that is accessable that would have given the best vantage point for the head shot. It only would have been about a 20 foot shot from the street drain.

[@ginagarner4928]

So if the first movie that's not shown any more ! If you watch the cop whom lays his bike down to run up hill on grassy knoll he is looking down n the man hole looking down bye it before he goes up grassy knoll ! Why? There was a sound n that drain !!!!

[@landanwoodard7569]

The storm drain lines up beautifully.

[@svendhansen5427]

@@landanwoodard7569 Yes Landan, the headmovment by the kill shot and the way blodsplatter and skull fragments are throughn to the rear and left side as described by witness' (deleated from Zapruder film apparently) proves a shot from the storm sewer, the best answer. AIt also explains why several people in the cars behind the limousine when passing the kill zone testified smelling gun smoke. I believe because of a draft of wind through the pipes loading from the Trinnety River outlet. There was a south westerly wind and I should think gunsmoke from picket fence shot would turn around before reaching the street.

[@jimmylieb5225]

Svend: Yes!!

[@MrMajikman1]

@@svendhansen5427 The only problem I have with the storm drain theory, is the angle of trajectory of the bullet. Yes, a good place for a shot from the front, but a little too obvious since people are looking at the car as he goes by, from several different angles. But even dismissing that, if the shot came from below Kennedy's head, it may have entered from the right temple, but would have exited from the top of his skull, and not the back of his skull, as the Parkland Doctors stated. Now, there could have been a "spotter" in the storm drain relaying info to a shooter, at a different location.🤔

[@brandonhardeman2371]

Oswald did not have anything to do with it

[@larrywheeler9917]

Corrupt authorities = corrupt outcome. No other way around it.

[@jb-vb8un]

sure man sure

[@roneubanks829]

​@@jb-vb8un he is right

[@jb-vb8un]

@@roneubanks829 but of course, after 59 YEARS , ya have no evidence - - - information about the crime has been public for years, and Nalli drew from that well of data to create a model of the physical processes of the gunshot wound. Nalli’s model took things like the mass and speed of the bullet and measurements into account. He combined that information with the shutter speed of the film that documented the shooting. The model then calculated how the bullet would have acted when it entered President Kennedy’s skull if it came from behind. It confirmed Nalli’s theory-and shows that it’s unlikely that the president was shot from the “grassy knoll” in front of him. “The President’s reactions just after the projectile impact were physically consistent with a gunshot wound caused by a high-energy Carcano military rifle bullet fired from the vicinity of the Texas School Book Depository,” Nalli writes. When the president was shot, he says, Kennedy’s head exploded, as the film so graphically shows. Nalli’s model shows that the wound wasn’t where the bullet exited, but where it entered. It demonstrates that a temporary cavity formed inside the president’s soft tissue as the momentum and kinetic energy of the bullet smashed into his skull, causing his head to snap forward. Based on his model, Nalli also thinks that the theory of a second shooter and that of the president being shot by hollow-point or soft-point bullets are also unlikely. Not only were such bullets never recovered, he writes, but the movements of Kennedy’s head are only consistent with a shot from the back. Nalli’s not the first person to use physics to model the bullet’s trajectory-the head wound and ballistics are covered in-depth in the Warren Report. But, writes Nalli, his model is unique in that it focuses on the forward motion of the president’s head after he was shot. “The Zapruder film shows President Kennedy being shot from behind and not from the infamous grassy knoll, in corroboration of the official autopsy findings,” says Nalli in a release. “That’s the only ‘smoking gun’ in the film.”

[@roneubanks829]

@@jb-vb8un the moment you mentioned the warren report i stopped reading . secondly what does your response have anything to do with original post? The amount of testimonies from key witnesses that differ from the lone nut theory were left out or disregarded was heinous. It was a big exit wound at the back of the head and I'm not putting all my money nalli.

[@jb-vb8un]

@@roneubanks829 "key witnesses" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH < > ya forgot to include any FACTS OR EVIDENCE - - - There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there on the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy, who was shot in 1963 while in a Dallas parade. But new research by the Dartmouth University School of Computer Science disproves at least one conspiracy theory: sorry, the photo of Lee Harvey Oswald is real. The photo, of Oswald holding a communist newspaper and the rifle he allegedly used to shoot the president, has been a contentious issue, with many theorists claiming that his posture is unrealistic and the lighting was off. But the research by Dartmouth, published in The Journal of Digital Forensics, Security and Law, used 3D modelling to analyze Oswald's posture in the photo. The results showed a completely plausible posture, accounting for a range of possibilities of Oswald's weight and height. You can see in the model below that it seems to be a perfectly reasonable way to stand. Couple with researcher Hany Farid's previous work showing that the lighting was, in fact, perfectly normal and not doctored, and you have a weaker case for disputing this photo.

[@Dr.Pepper001]

There were multiple gunmen and multiple shots. Some were not heard because those guns were fitted with silencers, or suppressors.

[@roland7584]

Where did all these bullets go and why did all these gunmen not all shoot at the same time when the limousine was coming to a halt or "stop" to make sure the job was going to be successful since that was most likely going to be the last chance to finish the job? The multiple shots just don't add up to what actually occurred in the last few seconds after Kennedy is grabbing his throat. It's not like they were sure the head shot was going to be successful in that split second if they're all standing in different positions. They have no idea what that last shooter was seeing in that moment. You can argue they were all on radios, but I highly doubt that was the case to perfectly time that 1 shot at a time to get that last shot in without anyone else firing one more. It just doesn't add up.

[@shunack1959]

I believe there were more than 3 shots, Oswald was a patsy as he so indicated, the plan went off the rails and he got left behind and took the blame and Ruby finished the Job, that is it in a nutshell. The Warren commission did a really poor job in this case and that is why it is sealed to ensure that no one would be alive when declassified in 2039. There had to be at least three gunmen - two shooters and one backup in case things got out of hand. This is my humble opinion.

[@devong7124]

Plus Mafia men were all around the place. Believe there were more than 3 shots. For sure one hit the sidewalk. Two hit the President. One shot from behind, one from the grassy in front. Three hit men. James Files, worked for CIA , Military, Mafia man, Bad man, serving time for other killings, Admitted it and. Wrote Book. Another, forgot his name. A Cuban professional assassin. One Man in the drain.(?) One in the building.( Cuban assassin) One at fence at grassy( James Files). I wouldn't doubt firecrackers we're set off for distraction..it is also said in other video, President Kennedy had wound in his back. 3 shots. This has been the biggest cover- up in USA history. Someone needed to investigate the Warren group. Politicians and Mafia, one in same. CIA, HOOVER, JOHNSON, THE ELITE RICH GROUP( THAT HAS ALL THE MONEY),( Bankers + Oil men too ) FBI, HIRED THE MAFIA TO DO THEIR PLEASURE AND MAFIA WAS GLADE TO DO IT, FOR KENNEDY WAS PUTTING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. AFTER THEY GOT HIM ELECTED. MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW CLOSE THE RUNNING BETWEEN KENNEDY AND NICK'S ON WERE FOR PRESIDENT. VERY CLOSE. COUP FOR SURE!

[@wtmerit6129]

@@devong7124 Home state coup. JFK, his brother, Robert and Edward Kennedy, out of 50 states all died of head trauma in the home state of the next President if Obama had not won. Originally pay back for Lincoln being shot in the back of the head a century before?

[@jacobjones5269]

What he “indicated” was that he was being arrested because he was a defector.. “They have taken me in because I lived in the Soviet Union… I’m just a patsy”.. Context is important, which is why it’s never a good idea to edit it out.. lol..

[@ronniebishop2496]

Haha people have done no research at all on this,! lol 😂 it’s amazing. Oswald. Haha heeee, no,!

[@davewallace8219]

I believe your correct...this was aplanned operation...using proffessionals...elm street was a killbox....the planning...execution...and cover up was all acted out by various members of our federal govt!!!

[@MrBarrynicholas]

All the newspapers on the day, never stated three shots, but three BURSTS of gunfire, which could mean any amount of individual shots.

[@andrelebaron]

barry nicholas actually, if you go to the as it happened sites that replay their broadcasts from that day, most people were saying 3 shots from the TBSD. a few were unsure how many shots. and a couple said from somewhere else.

[@MrBarrynicholas]

andrelebaron JFK was hit four times and Governor Connally twice. Warren Commission Kellerman in the President’s car stated after the fist shot “a flurry of shells come into the car”…He went on to state the windshield was hit and also the trim over the windshield was hit.

[@randyharris3175]

You just heard person after person say they heard 3 shots.Damn are you hard of hearing?

[@randyharris3175]

@@MrBarrynicholas Bull

[@MrBarrynicholas]

@@randyharris3175 Seven snipers and only three shots, yeah right.

[@tarasbulba3190]

That must have been one of them "bolt action automatics" Whoopi & Joy were telling us about on the View. No way that many shots were fired by one, unless of course it was one of them "bolt action automatics".🥴

[@frisbee544]

Whoopi and Joy - two of America's dumber Commies.

[@seanroberts5277]

Again even that we all with common sense know what happened on that disgusting day, you are still opening my eyes my friend. God bless you!

[@kevinkwiatkowski7197]

Yes we know that Oswalt was proven to be the assassin, acted alone and the rest is hearsay. This is the result of thousands of hours of research by the Warren Commission

[@dontgoout1434]

Missed lots more

[@jacobjones5269]

Well, common sense tells anyone who repeatedly acts guilty, as Oswald certainly did, is guilty.. Innocent people don’t act the way he did.. Now, that’s common sense to me.. Who wants to bet the nonsense this guy retorts with is total innuendo BS, based on nothing?..

[@Johndoe345-k2d]

@@jacobjones5269 Agree. Oswald and only Oswald killed Kennedy. Conspiracy theorists are paranoid , delusional nut cases.

[@ronniebishop2496]

I never thought he was Oswald at all.

[@liten48]

dont suppose anyone could be postive about where shots came from , echo would be the problem especia;ly rifle shots

[@martym2694]

Very complex and confusing. Don’t think it’s as simple as deep state wants us to believe

[@alanoranday4448]

It's both complex and simple at the same time.

[@MultiBudboy]

Oswald wore a brown checked shirt that day, not a white one.Wesley frazier described seeing it in the AM, when Oswald was arrested he still had it on.

[@Thomass7586]

A time and a world long gone. Except for the lies !

[@donnalandy]

Where is the final photo of Oswald and Lovelady from?

[@RonaldNolter-ih4ry]

Prayer man is oswald all the other book depository employees are accounted for, they showed marina the P. Man photo,right away she said that's Lee.

[@nordan00]

The one thing they all have in common is that they heard 3 shots. But they seem evenly divided on where the shots came from, the TSBD, the Grassy Knoll, or the rail yard. You wonder if they’ve ever staged an acoustic/echo analysis of the shooting stationing people in all the spots witnesses claimed to be at the time? It’s crazy that there’s so much disagreement among witnesses as to where the sound of the shots originated from, which could be somewhat cleared up by restaging the shooting from the “officially” accepted spot of LHO’s shots.

[@markrymanowski719]

It makes sense if shots came from three areas at once. Syncronicity to fool the public wherever they were.

[@WilliamXLee]

The did an acoustic analysis and found four shots. Do the research.

[@jb-vb8un]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@mikelldaley9078]

THE CIA WAS IN THE RAILYARD DRESSED AS HOBOS. AND LET GO BY THE POLICE...

[@jb-vb8un]

@@mikelldaley9078 Red Skelton hobos or Sanford & son hobos ??

[@davidprosser7278]

Thanks for this.

[@marknerysoo8919]

that look like Oswald at the entrance Really do

[@ghettopresident6894]

Only one person heard shots from different directions!? I think the best position would be somewhere from the railroads because the limousine was driving straight and directly towards the bridge so it would be the eaziest shot.

[@errorsofmodernism9715]

It is well documented that one of the gunmen was on the roof of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department which is what they call kitty corner from the TSBD. Any shots from this building would sound like they were coming from TSBD.

[@stevemill8959]

Lee! We know it wasn’t you and you had to pay for it.

[@36swill]

Define "well-documented". I haven't read anything about that.

[@ScottA2345]

LOL - "well documented" - get a life.

[@jacobjones5269]

Yeah, ok, but no fragments from any other weapon were found?.. And all 22 fragments in JFK’s head came from Oswald’s weapon.. What… Does… That… Tell… You?!.. lol..

[@finnkdy]

@@jacobjones5269 eehhh, well disciplined liars.

[@leemoore9933]

This was a conspiracy that involved appox 400-450 people dealey plaza that day held 175 riflemen. Hope that helps.

[@JfK--OBJECTivE]

Of course it was a conspiracy, dope.

[@GhostRanger5060]

If you knew anything about sh**ting moving targets the size of a human head from 300 feet away through a line of sight blocked by a tree with a cheap bolt action Italian rifle and mail order scope then your comment would be funny. But since you don't and you think Oswald was just a lucky marksman, then you are, indeed, a klown.

[@user-xw6vz1hl7y]

the head police officers said to the Oswald simply walked out the front door after he was cleared someone should have seen him or brushed up against him or something but so far nobody has come to the Forefront to say that they seen him walking out of the door or brushed up against or something or the other when he just simply walked out the door

[@themeaningoflife38]

there was also a 7.65mm slug found on the south side of elm st, must have come from the 7.65mm Mauser found on the 6th floor

[@danielfronc4304]

Late to the party but Oswald never owned or used a Mauser nor anything that fired a 7.65 caiber projectile. Oswald owned an Italian 6.5 mm Carcano carbine, which was basically a surplus, although refurbished, piece of crap. If he even hit Kennedy once with it, it was a miracle.

[@philwright2480]

@@danielfronc4304 because even if Oswald was a shooter, there was at least one other

[@themeaningoflife38]

@@danielfronc4304 Yes I've heard that 6.5 was junk

[@themeaningoflife38]

@@philwright2480 For sure. Several witnesses saw other men in that building with a rifle

[@danielfronc4304]

@@philwright2480 It's well known, by pictures and by eyewitnesses that: 1) there was one bullet hole, parallel to the street, through the windshield in front of the limo driver but at an obtuse angle to him, as though someone from the limo's front and left of center was firing at JFK, and 2) there was a bulllet hole in the metal "A frame" of one of the limo's front door windows. It's also known that the first shot heard did not hit anyone in the limo but was likely LHO's mulligan in doping his scope, and was likely the bullet that bounced off the curb and barely cut young spectator Mr. Tague's cheek. From the trajectory of JFK's "back through neck" wound which then entered Connelly, that was very likely LHO's second or third shot as he was six flights up and at an angle to the limo (ie. parallax). Supposedly,from James Files' (a shooter & insider) testimony to an FBI special agent while in prison (on a different charge) there was at least one team of 2 pro's (ie. a sharpshooter and a spotter/muscle). He said he knew who was in Dealey Plaza that day but being in prison probably kept Files alive but still at risk. He was real hinky and suspicious until the FBI agent won his confidence. However, just when Files was about to tell the agent where he was that day in the plaza, the agent had to undergo some emergency operation on his heart. He came through it okay but that evening had complications and died. Files died in prison without taking anybody into his trust. Files had said there was definitely a shooter from the triple overpass roadway over the road which the limo was driving on. Over 20 spectators and police officers said there was at least one or two shots from the railroad yard fence behind the infamous grassy knoll, which was to the left of the triple overpass if you were standing there. There were at least three parties interested in seeing JFK dead. The mafia, as they got JFK elected president through all the various union members votes and the famously corrupt Chicago Mayor Daley machine. Then Bobby Kennedy, Jack's attorney general, started prosecuting them in Congress. The CIA, as the international industrial power elite wanted the billions that the nascent Vietnam war would bring in, something that the CIA's predecessor the OSS had put in motion in 1944 when we were finishing up WW2. And Fidel Castro in Cuba, who the Kennedy's tried to overthrow in the Bay of Pig's clusterflot when they pulled air cover at the last minute. Then the Kennedy's tried to have Castro assassinated in more than a dozen hair brained schemes. Castro didn't get to where he was by waiting for an enemy to kill him. In Cuba there was a disaffected youth who it was said loved shooting his whole life and was a sharpshooter. So, even if LHO was a cog in the wheel that day, there might have been as many as 3 other teams at work as well. However, on KZbin there is another fim showing JFK's kill shot that was from s high velocity round with an explosive core of mercury, which exploded JFK's head shot from the front. However, whatever happened; no one alive knows for sure and I sure as heck don't care.

[@TheWaltertrout]

At 3.20 -- middle right hand side of photo --- is that Ruby ???

[@EPJamesMacAdams]

Yup

[@johnrogan9420]

No can see ...but others have said that...did he tell Oswald to go to the movie theater?

[@jimmylieb5225]

There is a photo taken in front of the Dal-Tex bldg of HW Bush who was the only person who claimed he could not recall where he was on 11/23/1963!!

[@CompositionTheory]

Ok, out of curiosity...has anyone in the past done an audio test to see what the shots may have sounded like that day?

[@WilliamXLee]

Yes. Back in the 70's, and they found four shots.

[@mikeprevost8650]

Yes, a Senate select committee on assassinations held hearings in 1976, and based on acoustic evidence discovered from a police radio that was left open and transmitting, determined that 4 shots were fired, indicating the presence of a second shooter. But without any evidence at all, declared that the 4th shot didn't hit JFK, lol.

[@janetphillips2875]

Yes, this can be easily found. It came from an open mic from a motorcycle in the motorcade. The Zapruder film is silent, of course. There have been arguements back and forth about the open mic, but there has been more research in later years.

[@buailebawns2162]

I have just read the WC testimony of Virgie Rachley (aka Mrs Donald Baker) where she saw a bullet hit the road near the limo. Add that shot to the one that hit the Main St kerb & injured James Tague and the ones that hit JFK & Connally and we have more than 3 shots. It was interesting that Rachley, standing on Elm St outside front of TSBD, says she could smell gunpowder at ground level after 2nd shot. She wasn't the only witness who said they could smell gunpowder at ground level. I also read the very technical testimony of accoustics expert, Dr James Barger who explained the difference between the sound of the muzzle blast and the bullet's supersonic shock wave . Ear witnesses who heard the bullet's supersonic shock wave would have no idea where the shots originated.

[@randymillhouse791]

Virgie Rachley: What was her experience with weapons and the smell of gunpowder? Perhaps the bullet had traces of powder on it and, coupled with the concrete, created a distinct odor. Not enough to place a shooter at a location. Go fish.

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@randymillhouse791 And go fish is exactly what they were looking for. They knew if the shots came from different locations it would confuse everyone, especially if the outcome of the arrest was just one person who worked in the Dallas Book Depository to who they could link the gun to. They could say it was echoed that everyone else heard. The smell of gunpowder and the puffs of smoke kind of made that a little more difficult, especially since none of the powder was on OSWALD and there were no fingerprints.

[@randymillhouse791]

@@davidarbuckle7236 I visited the Book Depository in October 2022. It is a hilly area. The buildings surrounding it make for excellent sound effect echoes. Oswald did this alone. The perch on the 6th floor was perfect. The Carcano rifle was an excellent gun, with the right ammo which Oswald used. Easy shot for a Marine trained Marksman. Get up there and look down. The films we see do not reflect reality on the ground. It's a small, tight area. Oswald pulled this off very well. He was a loser on his last legs, depressed, rejected by his wife. Left his ring at his apartment and some money, perhaps for his wife in the event he got caught. I work in HR. Listen to your gut. It does not lie. Oswald, killer of Jack Kennedy absolutely.

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@randymillhouse791 It was perfect if you were shooting POTUS coming down Houston. It was horrible if you were shooting through a tree and trying to get off more than one shot. But obviously, that was not the case. There were 5 or 6 shots fired from different directions. Maybe even two from the Book Depository through the western windows that gave a much better angle. A perfect gun? You're not serious. And no fingerprints or powder on Oswald when arrested. That ammo had not been manufactured in 2 decades. He had the lowest grade of a marksman, barely qualifying him for infantry. But what he did have was a higher security clearance than his own commanding officer.

[@randymillhouse791]

@@davidarbuckle7236 Uh, no. Shooting directly onto Houston would have directed all attention to the Book Depository immediately. It has been hypothesized that Oswald shot from behind to hide his actions. The actions that a TRAINED MARKSMAN would exhibit. The trees are Live Oaks. Watch the footage again after the murder and from the cameras looking down upon Dealy Plaza from the 6th floor window. Those were young trees and very short in 1963. I am telling you; these things have gone through my mind and MANY people's minds. Oswald did it, is guilty, and that is the end.

[@schabanow]

Have they conducted any investigation experiments with witnesses? Do they shot this rifle from the TSBD's six floor once again, especially for witnesses preliminary located just as they stood that day?

[@peterdixon7734]

No, that would have been too sensible. The HSCA did it in 1978 from the TSBD and the northern grassy knoll only, with the marksmen firing into sandbags. You can find the footage on the internet. There was something of a rumble after the shots but no Swiss Alpine echo as such.

[@7071t6]

@ 4:15 the 3 shot or really the 4th shot from the front has already happened, notice how many people are looking up NONE, thats why most of the snipers had suppressors except for the back up team, which is why most of the witness herd 4 shot's & they all came from the front of the car & not from the rear ? Also 5 shot's missed, re: a) Roadway behind the jfk car? b) Curb on elm st southern end & grass area as well, frontal shot's that missed? c) Main st curb James Tague injured ? d) Drain cover on south end of Elm st? e) Windscreen/ Windshield chrome Mold strip? Then add the hits on people in the car, 2 shots to connolly 4 or 5 to jfk 2 rear shots & 2 frontal shots, neck shot was from the southern end of commerce st & the head shots were from the DEL DEX bld rear shot & frontal from just in front of the fort worth sign, badgeman,an shot missed & hit the grass / curb on elm st south side ? cheers :)

[@7071t6]

***** No just habit, but they are documented photos that prove that the missed shots did hit in those places, cheers :)

[@DavidTMSN]

Stop looking into the DAL TEX Building. Noting happened there! Stick to the TSBD.

[@pjuggle]

7071t6 Before my dad passed away in 2015 he told me that a CIA agent dressed as a Dallas Police Officer fired his pistol into the air to commence the operation and a distraction. One shot from the front hit JFK in the throat, two to three more from the TSBD hit JFK and Connelly (botched) and the fatal shots from the side, either from a manhole or the grassy knoll or both at different times. LHO most likely never fired a shot but was told to stand in a corner somewhere and did as he was told.

[@bobhart5303]

@@DavidTMSN George Bush was taken in for questioning after leaving the Dal Tex building shortly after the assination. Enough said

[@jackmeadows9792]

Billie Lovelady did it! Joking. The figure in the doorway in the Altgens photo is wearing what Oswald was wearing that day - Lovelady had a striped shirt. The ear-witness testimony is contradictory - unless shots came from all the locations mentioned. There was apparently an echo effect in the Plaza which further confuses things. Were suppressors or silencers used on some rifles? Would people hear the pops above the general crowd hubbub? The Parkland doctors, with way more gunshot wound experience than those at Bethesda, said JFK was hit twice from the front. Several witnesses saw a hole in the windshield, including Ford glass expert George Whitaker. JFK had small shrapnel-type pitting cuts to his face - caused by glass particles blown through with the bullet? No-one has paid much attention to where these facial injuries came from. Could a bullet from behind blow something into his face? Seems unlikely!

[@George50809]

+Jack Meadows Very good observations.

[@MrAmbassador11]

+Jack Meadows The man in the photo looks like Mr. Lovelady. It looks like he is wearing what Lee Oswald was wearing that day.

[@jackmeadows9792]

+MrAmbassador11 The photo has such poor definition that it's impossible to be 100% sure. However, if the figure is wearing what Oswald was wearing that morning, then it probably is Oswald! It's interesting that this photo shows a crack or hole in the windshield BEFORE the fatal head shot sent fragments flying at high speed inside the car. A miracle that Greer & Kellerman were not hit by these fragments but the windshield & it's chrome surround were hit. And all this damage from just ONE bullet, which was recovered with such little deformation or loss of mass. Another miracle! In fact it was a day of miracles. Or was it?

[@buailebawns2162]

Both driver, Greer, & Kellerman in front passenger seat testified that they didn't notice the windscreen hole until the limo was taken back to the Whitehouse garage. Did JFK really have glass fragments in his face? What is the source of that information? A bullet through windscreen on driver's side of rear view mirror would have missed Greer's head by inches. Greer & Kellerman didn't have glass in their faces and neither did the Connallys or Jacki.

[@doravernon1511]

@@MrAmbassador11 Lovelady was wearing a red & brown check shirt over a white t-shirt. The 'Oswald' shot by 'Ruby' was wearing a brown shirt with white t-shirt under. The other Oswald lookalike was wearing a white t-shirt.

[@rbelf001]

No that was Lovelace. Lee was to his left on the other side of the door in the same jacket and t-shirt when he was arrested. His face was scratched out of the photo. The Oswald who spoke Russian was in the lunch break room. With in 7 minutes he’d be on his way to the bus stop. The Lee from New Orleans bolted from the door way and ran to a light green sedan behind the building. Two eye witnesses testified to that, one of the a cop who died mysteriously 12 years later after he was forced out of the police force. The two Oswalds knew each other very well. That is why one of them carried another ID with another name.

[@randyharris3175]

Yea sure and then you woke up in your dream.Youre pulling my freaking leg.

[@rbelf001]

@@randyharris3175 Doubles are common.. Look at Biden getting a shot in the Dr's office and the one LIMPING in the Inauguration. .. Hillary has a double and so does Pelosi... Look alike are commonly used by the CIA.. and politicians.. Look at the autopsy of JFK... You'll see 2 different faces. Do a little research...

[@brianambrosemcmahon8531]

@@rbelf001 so what’s the real reason for doubles ?

[@rbelf001]

@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 For the rich...to protect from assassination and to hide their criminal activities..for the CIA they are used for confusion and plausible deniability. Hoover discovered the 2 Oswells. How could he be running arms and vehicles to Cuba and be in Russia at the same time.

[@brianambrosemcmahon8531]

@@rbelf001 so which Oswald was the shooter ?

[@MrRob027]

Look at the photo at 3:20 the right side it's Jack Ruby

[@jimmylieb5225]

Definitely yes that is Jack Ruby! No doubt about it.

[@Dogheadj]

Although a conspiracy believer, I believe it truly (unfortunate choice of words) was Billy Lovelady standing on the front steps of the TSBD. If you take a look at a close-up, you can see that the plaid in his shirt was larger than Oswald's that day. I realize they look similar, and that Oswald had his T-shirt open and not tucked in when apprehended, but after many years of study, I'm convinced this is Billy Lovelady.

[@Troeltsch7873]

Yes.

[@markrymanowski719]

Oswald wasn't dressed that way while at the TSBD. His appearance was similar once he'd changed clothes at his rooming house.

[@7071t6]

Who the hell took all these photos because they are not seen noramly, thinking that either they were suppressed, because so far most of the photos shows line of sight type photos ?

[@feedyourmind6713]

Demonstrates how unreliable witnesses can be. Three tmrail workers were on the rail overpass, and swore the shots came from behind the fence on the grass knoll.

[@shermbloom879]

So the moral of this video, people who where there all heard three shots with no general consensus from where they came from. Pretty much all over the place. OK, three witness actually saw a gun out of the window on the 6th floor. Three witnesses on the 5th floor right under the 6th floor window heard three shots and heard three shells hit the ceiling above them, and police found three shells. I tend to think the ones that thought the shot came from the building were correct in the location, and those that think it came from elsewhere are incorrect, but I'm a kinda logical guy.

[@darrelpetrie8793]

I`m sure someone shot from the book depository. But the head shot angle doesn`t line up. If the shot came from the right and behind how did the motorcycle cop back and to the left get sprayed by blood and skull fragments unless the shot came from in front and to the right. Had to be more than one shooter. Something made the driver brake and look back to his right. Maybe a bullet coming through the windshield? Maybe blood splatter from the first shot that hit Kennedy or Connolly.

[@theblueangel1973]

I’ve always thought they came from the storm drain. There is a picture where a police officer is looking down at one. I think that was the final shot that took off his skull. There were definite multiple shooters that day and a lot of help on the ground, like the umbrella guy that signaled opening his umbrella when it wasn’t raining AT ALL. Etc.

[@amerocker]

In 1999 I went and checked out of a library some info on the JFK assassination. One old _vhs tape_ I watched contains an interview with a man who worked with trajectories. He had at his disposal a then state-of-the-art machine which located trajectories from movie film. His conclusion repeatedly showed the head shot to JFK coming from _street_ level. This perplexed him. Then he realized that in 1963 there was an open sewer drain on street level at Dealey Plaza. It was big enough for a man to stand up in with a view of the street. It faced the Presidential motorcade. That is where the head shot came from.

[@theblueangel1973]

@@amerocker agreed! I also heard that the “tunnel” of the drain went behind the area of the grassy knoll which would be a perfect escape if they new their pansy was being set up so far behind. I also heard there was two men in the drain, that they were the last chance shot. Some say the motorcade slowed down (I’m really not that aware of all the details) but if it did it would’ve been close to this drain. I also heard and believe there were multiple shooters, I’m talking like 10-12. People from the C_A, Mob, look, this was a full on mission that even the Vice President that would become President knew about. My opinion. He was executed for that speech he gave about secret societies 2 months prior and many other reasons. He was dangerous to their corruption and the people also loved him. 🤔 sounds familiar.....

[@amerocker]

@@theblueangel1973 Similar to DJT exposing The Swamp. DJT needed to be less vocal about the political corruption until he was sure he had enough honest support from politicians. Of course he did not have much support at all. Truth is that D.C. politicians/feds have been corrupted for so long they like it that way.

[@theblueangel1973]

@@amerocker true dat. They are either corrupted, satanists or involved in trafficking

[@dixienormous7049]

I can understand alot of crazy things about this....but haven't you ever gotten under an umbrella to get out of the sun...I'm not sure what the weather was like..but you're talking about Texas heat..if it was cooler that day then the umbrella is weird but if the sunshine was relatively hot then he was just gettin some shade

[@darrellepickering8433]

Did anyone conduct an echo test of those various areas?

[@9Ballr]

Yes. The reason some people thought they heard shots from other than the TSBD is because of the echos in Dealey Plaza.

[@tabletalk33]

@abennett4 , you are quite wrong. The preponderance of the witnesses identified the area of the grassy knol and the railroad tracks as the source of the shots. This does not rule out other locations for shots. Logic would dictate a triangulation for the shooters in order to get the job done. But you are quite mistaken. The Warren Report was deliberately selective and obfuscating, and with good reason; IT WAS WRONG.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

I put the most weight into the woman saying she saw one of the bullets ricochet. Hearing gunfire it’s difficult to determine where they’re coming from just based on sound. It’s why so many people say 3 shots but all sorts of claims of where they thought they originated.

[@bluenetmarketing]

How in the world does anyone "see" a bullet moving faster than the speed of sound?

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

@@bluenetmarketing a ricochet wouldn’t be moving at that speed.

[@stubaker2574]

some was hearing echoes off the TBDB the rifle wasn't the same one oswald had but it had been fired and shell casings found but doesn't mean oswald had do it...with the bullet hole in the limo's windshield makes me wonder if it was the round that pierced his neck as the 3rd hit connely and fatal shot from the grassy noll..but the man who claim's he had the kill shot from a storm drain looking at the limo coming and using a 22 cal. hollow point finished the job and Kennedy's brain is still missing due to fragments but the rifle they said was used there would not be fragments just like the one they show went thru Kennedy's back went thru connely's arm/back the wrist? and finally his leg and itsn't deformed or fragmented..

[@aaronpaterson1615]

Hi there, with the three black guys on the fifth floor and ten white women, among them Sandra Styles and Victoria Adam's on the fourth floor, there's obviously no way Oswald slipped past 13 people on two floors unseen. One of the black guys, Bonnie Ray Williams I think said in a statement, as they ran down from the 5th floor, they paused momentarily on the 4th floor when they say all these white women standing near the fourth floor doorway to the stairwell. Where is Oswald during this? Racing to beat patrolman Marrian L. Baker to the lunchroom? And what was Bill Shelley and Billylovelady doing standing near the TSBD POWERBOX PANELS on the first floor? after entering straight after the shots when Oswald said he say boss Shelley out on the footpath and was talking to him, it seems the shooters weren't the only fleet-footed employees in the building that time of day. Aaron Paterson from Rockhampton, Australia.

[@edwardanthony7283]

Looked up, saw nobody & most said railroad or knoll area. For god sake, will someone finally get it right & exonerate Oswald!!

[@jb-vb8un]

" get it right " HAHA HOHO HEEHEE

[@MrMajikman1]

You can't "exonerate" someone that has never been found guilty of a crime. Oswald NEVER made it to trial. Therefore, he has NEVER been found guilty of ANYTHING...at least not in a court of law. Only in the public perception.

[@edwardanthony7283]

@@MrMajikman1 Brilliant deduction but tell that to the slime who altered the history books! Ruby simply paid back a favor to the mob & had no remorse for Jackie or the assassination. Not all of us were duped & one day the truth of Oswald not being the one who fired the close range kill shots will come out. Was he involved or did he fire shots from the TSBD that missed & ended up in the street like a defective ginzo surplus rifle would do?? You never know but he did not kill JFK as far as I'm concerned.

[@MrMajikman1]

@@edwardanthony7283 I agree! I believe that he was involved at some level, but it was much lower than we think, and much lower than he was led to believe!

[@marcocalarco7575]

Except Oswald was on second floor eating lunch.

[@randyharris3175]

Sure he was it's safe to say Oswald ate more lunch

[@markspitzok3064]

So why was Oswald not watching the presidential motorcade like everyone else? Why was he even in the lunch room during this monumental time? What happened to the curtain rods he supposedly brought to work that day? I don't think he did it alone, but do believe he was more than a Patsy

[@randyharris3175]

@@markspitzok3064 He wasnt in the lunchroom.Oswald told the Dallas Police he eat lunch with 2 black guys they said they never saw him in the lunchroom that day.Obviously they was no curtain rods.if he was in the lunch room at all it was just so he wouldnt look suspicious.

[@markspitzok3064]

@@randyharris3175 what bothers me is that the 6th floor, floor...was being repaired. Workmen in and out all day for several days, NOTHING is said about them, who were they... were they question, what did they see?

[@randyharris3175]

@@markspitzok3064 I think they mostly worked in the school book one was Billy Lovelady the guy who some people thought was Oswald standing on the front steps.

[@themeaningoflife38]

at 3:21 it looks like Jack Ruby on the right

[@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary]

Many people beiieve that it was.. Jack was a low level Point Man for the Mob which was being used by the CIA at the time to do a bit of it's Dirty Work.

[@themeaningoflife38]

@@ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary J Edgar Hoover wrote a letter to the Warren Commission informing them that Jack Ruby was an FBI informant.

[@jimmylieb5225]

Oswald and Ruby knew each other. Oswald’s father worked for Carlos Marcello. Ruby was also a low level Marcello operative as the owner of the shady Carousel Club.

[@ronniebishop2496]

What music is this. Strange but interesting catch’s the drama. It makes it.

[@josed8961]

3 SHOTS CAME FROM BEHIND JFK LIMO---3 FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL AREA...WORD IS THAT 9 SHOTS WERE FIRED..

[@jb-vb8un]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@jimmylieb5225]

Jose: You are correct. More than three certainly!

[@rogerscottcathey]

That last photo may be Lovelady, but that other guy is definitely not Oswald. Too well chiseled features and thicker hair. Had to slow playback to .25x to catch it. Who labeled that?

[@RonaldNolter-ih4ry]

It was the right wing that killed Kennedy,there always up to these dirty tricks,Oswald didn't even dis like JFK.

[@guyberger4169]

Triangulation. Simultaneously when limo reached precise location

[@charlottewalker6490]

I agree with you . Triangle. Different people in different locations.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@Guy Berger: Strangulation. The strangling of normal, rational and logic thought, in order to get a conspiracy.

[@BHeisler59]

conspiracy meaning at least two, 3 for triangle and it would make sense to place one at the furthermost end. Which would be where that wood fence and the concrete merge.. There is a storm drain in that corner of the parking lot immediately behind the wood pickets. Many people including the officer converged on that location. If JFK had sustainable wounds at that point then that's the last chance before that car disappears beneath the underpass. I don't think they wanted to take that shot unless absolutely necessary because if the plan was to pin it on a lone shooter back up Elm St in the TSBD then a rifle report that far down would cause a big issue. They did and it did. Peculiar thing about a shooter from corner window inside TSBD, when that limo turned right onto Houston St, that target would be approaching the shooter, Jackie seated to the right with low probability of being hit. Would seem like the place to fire instead of a target moving away from muzzle as it leaves down Elm. R Craig has a man coming down the slope entering a Rambler headed west on Elm at around 12:42 - 12:44, he identified the man as LHO in Fritz's office later. Problem is, Cecil McWatters says LHO got on his bus east of TSBD at 12:40 and William Whaley places LHO in his cab at approx 12:48 pm. Interesting side note is Lee Bowers describing 3 cars entering parking lot at around 12:10, one with mud all the way up the sides, "fresh mud". How possible and its source? It rained the night before into the morning. Dallas has paved roads not dirt roads. Car should have been rinsed to some degree. Years later, Sergeant Vinson, USAF describes his courtesy flight, it banks left and lands to the south southeast of Dallas on what appeared to be an unpaved area, he describes a tool shed, dust flying up. States that 2 men boarded, one a dark complected man. Roger Craig described a dark complected man in Rambler. So did one or more of those 3 cars Bowers describe come from that location just prior to the assassination?

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@BHeisler59 You're drawing your own personal cartoon version of an infamous tragic event. It's improper, and disrespectful. Keep it to yourself.

[@bosshogg1915]

@@apointofinterest8574 No, you are just in denial.

[@ravenel2]

By all accounts, there were multiple people firing from multiple places at the same time. So everyone is going to say the shots came from one of two, three, or four places and everyone was probably correct.

[@9Ballr]

"By all accounts?" Fewer than 5% of witnesses said they heard shots from more than one location.

[@7071t6]

@ 5:01 perfect line up for the neck shot through the windshield of GG-300 neck wound to jfk ?

[@jimmylieb5225]

I think the shot through the windshield may also explain why the driver braked soon after.

[@mandolindleyroadshow706]

In 1988, the PBS show Nova did an acoustics test at TSBD. They had a marksman fire shots from the 6th floor window and grassy knoll. But instead of using live witnesses and getting their reactions, they used strategically placed microphones. That really didn't prove anything, but it certainly isn't too late to repeat the experiment, using live witnesses and getting their immediate reactions.

[@JohnDoe-wb4iv]

Four shooters one grassy knoll was tippet one tabd Malcom Wallace aka lbj hitman one broom closer one roof daltex bldg.

[@Caeruleo]

"Four shooters one grassy knoll was tippet one tabd Malcom Wallace aka lbj hitman one broom closer one roof daltex bldg." The claim that Malcolm Wallace's fingerprint was found in the TSBD was debunked long ago. It has never been proven that he was even in Dallas at all that day, much less in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting.

[@JimRockford853]

Where is your proof?

[@TheCleaner76]

I've always wondered, did Oswalds family get his pay check for the hours that he worked that day ?

[@paraconti]

What abt Officer Craig who claims he saw Oswald running from the grassy knoll into a car seconds after the shooting, and which Oswald supposedly admitted to during interrogation? Craig was a pro-conspiracy supporter. Everything about this event defies logic.

[@InnocentSpaceAstronaut-fu3ss]

That was Ruth Paines Chevy station wagon!

[@davidrogers2085]

Is this ironic ? Stop the video at 4:30 and look at the railroad worker with the hard hat on. Could this individual possibly be the same person that is seen in the Moorman photo standing next to Badgeman ?

[@buailebawns2162]

Construction worker, Howard Brennan, was sitting on the wall opposite TSBD & wearing a hard hat. I think this is Brennan at 4:30. He was one of the witnesses that looked up and saw the shooter on 6th floor.

[@cqtigerland]

Funny how dal Tex building doesn't get a mention. It seems a more logical location.

[@DavidTMSN]

There were no books inside the TSBD. You are on the right track. Follow your instincts.

[@DavidTMSN]

Jaden01 Cortesi Regarding this case, I do. There were no books in that building. That is all that needs to be said. John was a good man. It should have never happened the way it did. There are elements within an unnamed government that still wishes to suppress the information because if they were to do so, everything would fall a part. *Ruth Paine* - That is who people should look. *Lee knew her*

[@DavidTMSN]

Jaden01 Cortesi Of course not. I did live in Weatherford Texas for a while years ago. I've been to Dallas numerous times. I know that Lee didn't do the shooting. Ruth Paine was heavily involved, no different than Edward Lansdale from Detroit Michigan where I was born. Are you mocking me on the no books claim? *There were no books in that building, period!* He was never going to make it out alive in Dallas. They were everywhere. There was a Black moving van caught on the Zapruder Film if you can find it. Look up the name of the company, you may not find anything though. There were more enemies in Dallas than friends.

[@DavidTMSN]

Jaden01 Cortesi They were all involved in running guns. That's what the shooting covered up! The assassination was a by-product of something much more sinister. Those boxes in the TSBD were not books. They were weapons/rifles, etc. All to be used. And were used, obviously.

[@DavidTMSN]

Jaden01 Cortesi He probably was. If you talk to people in Texas, they will tell you they are glad that "we go the president that day. He betrayed us, etc, etc." - So he never going to leave that state alive. I think Oswald was involved, but not the shooter. But what Lee was involved in did not entail the Assassination, but instead the Gun Running Operation that was taking place in Texas, N.O. and FL.

[@Firsk]

Thank you, Jack Meadows. Helmer included all the phony images of Lovelady. How dare you spew that crap, Helmer?

[@mikehood3424]

Something strange happened at the Texas Theater and let me say this James Bookhout did the unthinkable several days later.

[@Firsk]

@Mark Symbala Oswald can be seen at the very beginning of the Wiegman film. That's him standing right in the center of the doorway as the press car that Wiegman was riding in rounded the curve from Houston to Elm. Except: they blurred it to hell causing so much distortion, the figures neither look human nor photographic. The depth of the evil involved in all this is staggering.

[@Firsk]

@Mark Symbala Mark, I wrote this up for you about Oswald in the Wiegman film. oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2020/07/i-was-recently-asked-about-oswald-in.html

[@Firsk]

@Mark Symbala Oswald is there at the beginning. But, he left right away, and so they put in another Doorman image- someone else. And it's a still image put into a movie. But they edited it accordingly. The whole doorway is so severely blurred and distorted, you can't recognize anyone. And I do mean no one. The figures look freaky.

[@peterm1826]

@@Firsk yep i saw him

[@janetphillips2875]

Where's the persons head, thats standing next to the Bill Lovelady aka LHO figure. They have arms, but no head, and theres a blotch on the right chest ( your left) . Also, Mrs. Reid's signatute and the notary's signature look to be the same. Mrs. Reid stated years later to Bob Groden that it was not the statement she gave.

[@ronaldhol9175]

This just shows how some witnesses can be unreliable ...They are not necessarily lying, they just don't KNOW for sure. When gunshots are flying all over the place it can be almost impossible sometimes to tell where exactly they are coming from .

[@db5837]

There would have been an echo off the front of the building. That would make the source of the shots confusing. I have lived near a similar building where a neighbour's dog used to bark at its own echo

[@brianarbenz1329]

Yes, but the ominous music is totally convincing! 😉

[@OnlyThe1Son]

but no one said it came from the left of them! everyone said either the GRASSY KNOLL of TBDB or the over pass... and thats where the possible shooters were...

[@brianarbenz1329]

@@OnlyThe1Son When people hear noises and see actions they were totally unprepared for, and the whole thing lasts only 6 seconds, it is very common for people to perceive the events wrongly. This has been shown in staged happenings. Fake assaults or muggings were staged outdoors in a park, then people who were chosen in advance to walk through the park in plain sight of the attacks and asked what had just happened could not agree on even who attacked whom. This was because they had absolute no advance indication that anything unusual or important was going to happen.

[@marikafasola3780]

@@brianarbenz1329 stop bullshiting

[@jodyguilbeaux8225]

it seems almost like no one can agree, i dont think there were 15 shots. just saying.

[@themeaningoflife38]

check out the interview with former Police Chief Curry admitting that it appears to him that shots came from the picket fence area.

[@MikeSmith-cl4ix]

Does anyone remember any loud booms or shots a few days earlier when he passed through the city of Tampa Florida?

[@darkhorse6829]

My first time there it took 5 seconds to decide the story was bogus. Angle from building makes for a difficult shot due to arch of bullet. The very fact that it would be a.trap for sure. Best place to make the shot and guarantee escape , would be to take the shot from the railway yard or grassy knoll. The TSBD building is too close and that's where the majority of people were besides those standing next to road.

[@darkhorse6829]

@@yuma9663 any schooled shooter seeing that place takes less than ten seconds to determine B.S. I would have chosen the grassy knoll or the underpass area down the road. The shots came from close by. The ideal shot I would have chosen would have been on kennedy's left toward the rail yard.. I could make the shot for distance on stationary target. However, moving target the chance of a miss is almost 100%. So, that being said, the best shot for success would be directly behind or directly in front.

[@JAJones-jq1pn]

Could you look in the TSBD at the 4:12 mark of the film? The dead ringer of LHO if you ask me!!

[@audiophile55]

They were following officer Clyde Haygood, who ran to the underpass to converse with Dallas patrolman J.W. Foster, who was stationed atop the underpass. Haygood was following orders from Chief Curry who told men to "go up to that overpass".

[@rocketshipsandrobotsinterg2184]

They went to the overpass over where the tracks go north and west over seemans freeway . It sounds like seemans I'm not sure of the spelling .

[@janetphillips2875]

@@rocketshipsandrobotsinterg2184 Stemmons

[@Scott-ly2nk]

Man that music will creep you out good job

[@7071t6]

@ 1:08 Again photo of elm st extension, what about the photos of GG-300 while jfk was getting taken out of the car, where are those photos ?

[@barryirvin2417]

Harold Norman , Junior Jarman and Bonnie Rae Williams are the best witnesses (both ear and eye witnesses) in Dealey Plaza . They were beneath Oswald in the 5 th floor . All three stated they heard 3 shots only and the building shook as the shooter fired above them . Norman had ceiling plaster fall in his head when the building shook . This is devastating evidence of 3 shots only and coming directly above them . They weren’t confused on any of the facts of where and how many shots were fired . Grassy knoll shots ? No way .

[@alfredoibarra4592]

If nobody was sure where the shots came from, either from the grassy knoll, the overpass or the TSBD, how the detectives were so sure they came from th 6th floor of the TSBD.

[@jacobjones5269]

Witnesses heard shots coming from there, and witnesses saw a man up there, before the shooting, and one witness saw a person retracting a weapon immediately after the shots.. And he gave a description.. Further, a weapon and spent hulls were found.. But most importantly, the autopsy x-rays and photos show a beveled entry wound in the back of the head, with skull cracking that all originate at that entry wound and flow across the top right of the head.. With no other entry wounds anywhere else on the skull and no skull cracking that flows any other direction.. Furthermore, the left side of the head was completely intact.. Additionally, ballistic evidence has proven every fragment in JFK’s head came from one bullet fired from Oswald’s weapon.. 22 fragments.. And none from any other weapon.. The shots most definitely came from one location, the 6th floor of the Depository..

[@jacobjones5269]

@@ronniebishop2496 Hilarious.. You explain all that EVIDENCE to them and they say “no no no,” like a fucking child.. lol.. Smh..

[@jacobjones5269]

@@ronniebishop2496 It’s evidence, Ronnie.. Believe it..

[@jacobjones5269]

@@ronniebishop2496 You can make bold general statements all you want.. How is it propaganda?.. How is the evidence corrupted?.. You need evidence, REAL EVIDENCE, to assert that.. Not just what you “learned” in Vietnam.. lol..

[@jacobjones5269]

@@ronniebishop2496 And the reason I laughed at that is because whenever I do something that surprises my wife a certain way and she asks me where I learn how to do it, I always say Vietnam… Even though I was born in the early 70’s.. lol..

[@jasperbeatnik9924]

Sure does seem like the majority of witness statements were ignored. Didn't have the best of reason to key on the TSBD.

[@jimmylieb5225]

Exactly!! The Warren Commission was a huge whitewash job. They purposely ignored many key eye witnesses to foster a false explanation.

[@markrymanowski719]

Oswald at 6.59. Innocent.

[@ch3blazinggospel669]

The guy at 3:12 in blue shirt looks really familiar, anyone know his ID?

[@superchitownhustler]

the shots came from the 6th floor of the depository. oswald fired them. there were three.

[@philwright2480]

Wrong

[@kenamaro3942]

That's been debunked..

[@InnocentSpaceAstronaut-fu3ss]

There were TWO bullet holes in the front windshield. Anyone can actually see the glass shatter and the 2 bullet holes in the windshield watching the Zapruder film.

[@tram84mvp]

Nice picture of Ruby at the beginning

[@jimmylieb5225]

I have been following the JFK assassination off and on for 36 years and this is the first time I saw that photo with Ruby!! It is definitely Ruby all right.

[@firefox2716]

Our surname name is spelled Rackley ... regarding Virgie Rachley......