[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Fan O' War

Have you ever looked at a weapon and wondered "How am I even supposed to use this piece of shit?" Don't worry. I'm here now.
A melee weapon that does no damage designed for long fights where you make a lot of mistakes on a class that needs fights to end as quickly and efficiently as possible or else he'll explode. What could go wrong?
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[@bigdaddydong]

Honestly if you could just mark multiple people for death it'd be way better. If Sniper gets to mark a medic and his pocket for death by tossing a projectile that recharges every 10 seconds, scout should be able to do the same if he runs in and manages to make his melee work.

[@Luksed12]

Sniper shouldn't be able to do that and neither should scout.

[@Epic_Peter-rm1wh]

I think this says more about how the jarate is too strong than how the fan is too weak.

[@theitalianmexican1035]

@@Luksed12He didn’t say Scout should get to use Jarate, lmao. Giving the Fan O War the ability to mark more than one person wouldn’t even put it on Jarate’s level, or even close to it anyway.

[@manboy4720]

and scout has a lot of problems with range, so maybe they should make a scattergun that has really tight spread, and a scope, and it can hit headshots.

[@newturtle3]

​@@Epic_Peter-rm1whwell duh It is a fan and technically uber is made with jarate in deleted medic scenes. So marking multiple people isnt too far fetched but it needs A BUFF. marked for death is redundant when CRIT A COLA exists.

[@turd2937]

The Fan O' War, also known as "One Last Fuck You Before I Go"

[@davidhong1934]

Isn't that just the average Spy?

[@depsydawn9206]

@@davidhong1934 Spy getting caught is not really a middle finger, more like a minor annoyance for whoever killing him. Scout running up to you and marking you for death whilst near his teammate, now that's a 'Fuck this guy in particular as I die stupidly' as his teammate fired at the guy that being marked and dying soon after.

[@shinobuoshino5066]

@@depsydawn9206 spy getting caught: he has crits in diamonback

[@JeffarryLounder]

@@depsydawn9206Pairing bonk with the fan o war is a fun meme strategy that can be quite annoying because the millisecond the bonk wears off you swing and then either try to shoot them or die. In highly-competitive matches where some guy is getting a little too cocky and moving forward, you can use this strategy on them to scare them away or take them out of the battle for a little bit if they're mini-critted.

[@BloodyAltima]

I do like the visual of it getting an increased range in the form of it blowing the wind of war at a fucker.

[@Error898789]

Honestly for a while now force-cleaver-fan has been my favorite way to run scout especially in hightower-style deathmatch scenarios. It has enough meme-status to feel like a fair fight, but I love how the force just kills people marked for death (how a sawn-off shotgun SHOULD feel tbh), even heavies become a reasonable target if you can get that first hit off.

[@newturtle3]

Crit a cola to deal extra damage with the fan and really weaken em lol

[@O_violet]

Having a good melee is incredibly viable when you use the force a nature. If they survive two shots and they're pushed against a wall or stationary, you have a guarunteed melee hit. I use the boston basher and run away lmao.

[@maigue5077]

we need more ppl on the servers bro, rn is basically a 6v6

[@thechosenjuan8776]

I love you fish do you have an opinion on the doom 2016 stun bomb mod

[@J0hnzie]

I like using the Fan in combo with Mad Milk and specifically the shortstop's shove to bully snipers on instant respawn servers.

[@memoman_yt]

Based

[@mihneababanu4224]

mvm loadout based

[@danolantern6030]

Mannpilled

[@TheTundraTerror]

Total Sniper Death

[@KaijuGal-rb9ek]

Mvmpilled

[@shaunroberts2037]

One step closer to the hothand getting covered. Although admittedly I don't know what there is to say about it

[@Palamag1]

It slaps

[@NewArmies]

It’s a weapon that exists

[@jacob5169]

"Eviction notice but worse"

[@reeman2067]

The slap boxer

[@gethk.gelior4214]

🖐

[@KristoferK-z9i]

You have completely missed the two reason I personally will swap to the Fan - Snowballing demoknights and kunai spy’s. Both are fast, have a ton of health, and are difficult to take down for a scout solo, but once they’re marked for death (which is easy for a scout to do, considering they’re both melee play styles) both of these play styles are invalidated by a bit of focus fire. If there’s a demoknight or kunai stomping the server you’re on because of clueless teammates, this can shut them down swiftly.

[@WeredogCanivir]

And if you use the baby face's blaster and the flying guillotine, you can outrun demoknights, and spies will have a harder time stabbing you. All while inflicting mini crit bleed damage.

[@owenblount7334]

Unless the spy is interp abusing or fake lagging

[@quakethedoombringer]

Honestly, if there is a an annoying Demoknight on the server, just switches to Soldier or Natasha Heavy. The Fan o War tradeoff is not worth it

[@funkymonkey5691]

One of my friends used to constantly torment us with the Fan O' War. He has a Strange Professional Killstreak one named "Buenos Dias Fuckboy". You'd be minding your own business, then suddenly, you'd be marked, and dead

[@fertolinio9555]

Wait the Last TF2 BWA episode was 8 months ago? Where does time go

[@BongoThe]

DOWN THE SHITTER.

[@REDNDEAD]

We're going back to the era of FSoaS's first BWA videos haha

[@doorframe2315]

I ate it

[@plastiktuten3866]

haha ikr

[@PerogiTime]

spongebob ah line

[@ness6099]

I think the idea of hitting someone unaware of you to reward you with an easy fight is neat, but if you're behind someone and initiate with a scattergun shot in melee range instead of setting up marked for death, you'd probably win the duel anyway. Still, I'd call it an upgrade over stock bat outside of rare situations where you actually are fully out of ammo and NEED to kill with the bat now or you lose the fight.

[@darkness74185]

I feel like the main draw is that even if you ended up losing the duel, the rest of the team can still help you clean up the target. It kinda has to be awkwardly limiting because otherwise the ability to supply team-wide minicrits on command would just break the game in half. Jarate was already stupid enough and now imagine getting the equivalent on a class as mobile as scout

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@darkness74185 tbf if you could mark an unlimited amount of targets with the Fan of War, it would still be fairly balanced considering that as strong as scout is at practically melee range, he needs the scattergun to make getting to that range worth it. the FoW requires you to get into the biggest 50/50 in a fight for scout just to mark them and deal a smidgen of damage, letting you mark as many people as you can means scout makes his trip worthwhile since that means everyone is now ready to be sweeped out by you or by your team

[@Zorothegallade-gg7zg]

The only use case I can see for it is a situation where there's an extremely important and durable target (such as an engineer holding a point your snipers can't pin down, or a heavy with a pocket medic who is blocking an important route) and your team can't muster a kritz or buff banner in enough time. In that case, moving in to give them a swing so the others can clear out is an option (though in the first case using Bonk to distract the sentry would be a way more beneficial play depending on team coordination)

[@RdTrler]

The FoW is also a straight upgrade over stock bat in a no-crit server. No 100 crits, so... Also a straight upgrade in an instant-respawn server, make them afraid of respawning. Also if someone has a killstreak or is dominating you, there you go. 8:20 Or you can jump over your target, so they look away from where you're about to be.

[@newturtle3]

Pistols cleaver and uber in a can: am i a joke to you?

[@johnr4182]

Hey look ma, my name’s in the video!

[@IvaHaze]

Huh

[@joujou1450]

Huh

[@kartofel_pl]

Hello bad weapon :)

[@Atariusz_]

Huh

[@nothomebutnotreally3782]

Huh

[@Peastable]

8:56 People tend to ignore bonk scouts? Half the time I use it the entire enemy team flies into a rage and hunts me down until it wears off. Which is useful as well, as it makes for a good distraction, but yeah we have different experiences with the weapon.

[@davidhong1934]

On the Bonk video, there was a guy in the comments who would do nothing but taunt at enemies while high on Bonk before retreating to repeat the process I think that's where the rage is coming from

[@JeffarryLounder]

I swear, the bonk is like the quintessential salt weapon. Just successfully retreating behind the enemy lines with it once and killing someone will make them hunt you down afterwards and wait for the slow effect to come in so they can kill you easily, and half the time they will taunt you afterwards. The slow effect was WAY overkill. I still can't get over the fact they nerfed the BONK of all weapons, which was a fun weapon designed to encourage Scouts to a flank-oriented playstyle. Now you get punished for being hit while bonked, while the entire purpose of the weapon was to take damage that would otherwise cripple or kill you, allowing any half-assed attempt by the enemy to follow you and wait until you're as slow as a slug to finish you off. All of the Jungle Inferno nerfs for Scout except for the crit o cola were stupid honestly.

[@milsharkie]

@@JeffarryLounder this is because Jungle Inferno balance changes were informed by the competitive community, and scout is borderline broken in competitive play

[@j4ff4c3ks1]

There is no TF2 player i've heard of that would ignore an enemy player running at you, not attacking you, making super obvious VFX, that they know is going to be slowed to a crawl and potentially try put a shotgun into your back. Not to mention how prone a lot of players are to doing something such as spending several minutes to hunt down a spy in their spawn area even if they're getting sieged in the frontline.

[@JeffarryLounder]

@@milsharkie And yet it is stupid how they made competitive-oriented balance changes and applied them to Casual when the issue was in competitive. All they had to do was go through with weapon bans in Valve competitive matchmaking (although matchmaking in general was a stupid idea), but instead they decide that's impossible for some reason, and nerf weapons into the ground to "bridge" the two totally-different communities. And the nerfs in question were so half-assed and badly-implemented I genuinely have zero clue what they were thinking when they did them. If they REALLY wanted to nerf the bonk for whatever stupid reason, they could've made it deal minicrits upon wearing off or something, which would have still kept the initial design philosophy in mind and not made it totally redundant by straight up slowing you down so the enemies you ran past could catch up to you anyway! It was such a pathetic, shoddy attempt on Valve's part and I'm still salty they left us on that note for all these years afterwards. All it did was kill a lot of fun playstyle options Scout players had in Casual when he already lacked a lot of variety, especially in his melee slot.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Shout-out to that medic who ubered you as a Scout holding this thing.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

Dude; for a second I thought you said Scout out. Now I really wish you did.

[@killkenny4973]

spoilers for [TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Fan O' War he is going to talk about the Fan 'O War

[@davidhong1934]

How dare you spoil the video I am simply appalled at this blatant buffoonery

[@m.i.g.2023]

On top of FoW in MvM: Sandman's "death mark on ball hit" upgrade will ALSO apply to regular hits. So you've got a better Fan'o'War with projectiles that can completely stun giants if thrown correctly. Yes, it costs 500 bucks, but as a Scout what else you can dump your money in anyway

[@Mystic-Midnight]

It is always my first purchase after max resistances

[@ireallydontknow278]

Uh maybe resistances milk upgrades or scatter gun upgrades Especially the scatter gun upgrades that are by far the thing you should upgrade the most and it's also really expensive

[@ghoulbuster1]

You can use the fan on the first waves then switch to the sandman after getting some money.

[@shinobuoshino5066]

Milk costs 1k to upgrade, speed and jump is another 900, relevant resistances are 900 each too and it's way more important than ranged fan o war that requires 500 bucks and has 0 benefit as scout already is fastest class in the game and has 600+ hp at all times and resistances make him unkillable even if you are braindead and can't dodge anything for a single melee hit on a giant robot. Oh yeah, there's also soda popper upgrades... It's really infuriating when scout is braindead and doesn't realize that he makes soldier and medic irrelevant just by existing. Heavy can solo tank any giant in the game if he has resistances and scout keeps applying milk with mark for death but nooo I'm a braindead scout I must be worthless and do literally everything but that... But sure, you can get sandman if your projectile aim is perfect, then, in exchange of buying resistances, you upgrade your scattergun earlier, never saw a scout intelligent enough to do such a thing however.

[@ireallydontknow278]

@@shinobuoshino5066 yeah and isn't it also the fact that why get a ranged fan o war when scout is anyways meant to be up close and collect money so why do it at range when you can do it up close anyways since that's the point where scout is the most effective

[@brounee2]

Now I know what it feels like seeing one of the weapons of your loadout being in a Bad Weapon Academy video

[@johningoldenboots2352]

Same

[@gamingv1nce7]

Fan O’ War + Soda Popper Is one of the most underrated combos.

[@zombiecat8419]

I always use the Fan o War with the Baby Face's Blaster

[@Knee6811]

@@zombiecat8419 same

[@samfire3067]

Japanese warriros:Feel The Power of Wind

[@chordalharmony]

Fan O War Force a Nature is pretty fun

[@JeffarryLounder]

You can kill most classes with two close-range soda popper shots anyway, but there are some niche uses for the combination such as when there's a more powerful opponent like a Soldier or Heavy that you're not sure you'll be able to kill in time before they turn around.

[@Bio-Hazard.MP4]

I don’t use this weapon enough to call it bad, just “limited use cases” like the gas passer

[@bencenagy5459]

You just accidentally explained why these weapons are bad.

[@j4ff4c3ks1]

limited use case weapons wouldn't be bad if you didn't have to give up other choices for them. but scout has atomizer, wrap and basher, and pyro has literally any other secondary. that's why fan and gas are bad.

[@GigasGMX]

Something Valve should add (because it would be fun(ny), not because it would be good) is “getting a FoW hit causes damage to not reduce your Babyface’s meter for a couple of seconds “.

[@Ramlin1210]

10:56 I laughed when you dance taunt at the sniper when he was dying at his mercy from bleeding mini crits.

[@musicboy8153]

Hey FishStickOnAStick! Good work showcasing your personal experience and opinion with the Fan-O-War. Regarding your ‘Bad Weapon Academy’ videos however, I’m not really convinced that this is a bad (or at least was considered bad) weapon. One question I have for example is: Why should I not use this to support my team in contrast to Scout’s other melee options?

[@bootlegdagut]

I think it's because relying on your team to follow up with your fan of war debuff is inconsistent without communication

[@musicboy8153]

@@bootlegdagut Thanks for your feedback. I am aware that the video well explained the issue of your team following up with the debuff, and that's why I'm wondering specifically why some of scout's other melee options are better for support.

[@Anderson-kg5ex]

@@musicboy8153 I don't think Scout has any other "support" melees other the Candy Cane but what makes it "better" than the Fan of War is because Scout benefits a lot more from healthpack on kill than dealing slightly more damage to a single enemy, but the Candy Cane still has the downsides of being oneshot by explosives, the enemies can take your health packs and your teammates might not even notice the healthpacks.

[@bootlegdagut]

@@musicboy8153 The only others that support your team are the candy cane, sandman and the wrap assassin. The benefit of the sandman and wrap assassin over the fan of war are that their support capabilities use a ranged projectile so they dont put you in danger trying to apply their respective debuffs. The candy cane's health packs are a passive benefit as they do not require you to switch to the candy cane itself for enemies to drop the health packs, you just need to equip it. Whether they are better for support is up to your own judgement

[@CyrogenicNation]

There was a part somewhere at the start which sounded like he's really only focused on the Scout's ability to duel enemies with it equipped instead of switching up the playstyle to get in through a flank, fan someone, and get the hell out. Feels like it's such a "me first" way of thinking, as if you can't have a weapon that helps your teammate focus on one highlighted enemy better.

[@TheMuffinman191]

I use this thing RELIGIOUSLY. It’s an excellent equalizer for combos making a fight with overhealed classes way easier to take, often taking a whole shot less. Or making a twitchy and slippery enemy that much easier to hit and it makes the pistols ammo cap much less punishing to use as more than a finisher. Of course don’t test your luck, running at people still gets you killed, but you’d be surprised how many people have died to my Mark or have been forced to retreat lest that get beamed by no damage falloff bullets. I’m already teying to get in their face and if they manage to kill me first then they’re marked and super vulnerable to my team. IMO its one of scouts best melee options where the downsides of most aren’t worth the benefit(aside from batting Christmas ornaments for free).

[@TuShan18]

I really like the idea of the fan because it makes sense for a scout. Just give someone a “screw this guy in particular” mark, and now he’s easier to kill no matter who is going after him.

[@newturtle3]

Which is pretty bad as a scout you should be flabking on sides snipers medics or behind lines. Unless your team is pushing that marked for death will go to waste. Outside of heavies or say spies medics (which if you can reach em theyre pretty much dead) every other class can get pretty roughed up even without the fan unless pot shots at mid range or chip damage at longer ranges.

[@MaximusMin]

⁠​⁠@@newturtle3 obviously you don’t play scout.. have you ever seen a scout who only flanks the entire game?

[@ihavethebrainofarat2309]

Honestly don't think this one, the Huo Long, or the Sydney Sleeper are that bad. I use the Huo Long more than all other miniguns and it's nowhere near as bad as people think tbh

[@nessisbest7295]

I wanna add that in Vs Saxton Hale, fan of war is pretty decent. Especially in a game mode where teamwork is needed to beat the 30K health tank. Mark for death is so good, also you don’t need to worry about other enemies since…there’s only one

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

I never knew the fan only marked one target at a time

[@matthewchase9980]

It's good to have you back fish

[@what_d1245]

9:04 Bonk scouts are either completely ignored or subject to intense pursuit from 90% of the enemy team, no in between

[@newturtle3]

Both scenarios are really funny and helpful No chase = time to play fast spy Chase = distract enemies the more the better. Kill or damsge a few and watch enemies chase you down like their life depended on it.

[@MadamApocolips]

Fan o war is by far my favorite scout weapon :3. I use it in every loadout. Mostly with shortstop. Playing a mid range ambush status scout is great

[@Countsmegula]

Best support melee for Scout, run this with the BFB and do hit and runs in the heat of battle. Pair with milk for further support or hatchet for big damage and regain speed buff.

[@Lagbeard]

Probably the easiest way to make the fan better would be removing the 1 target limit for the marking... So a Scout can try to sneak up on and tap an entire group to set them up. Probably should shorten the mark from 15 to like 10 seconds with that though.

[@Priincipal-pe9mp]

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 1:00 Stats Breakdown 2:38 The problems with this weapon 4:36 MvM 6:34 Primaries 8:30 Secondaries 11:17 Conclusion 12:20 Potential rebalances 13:30 Outro 14:12 Bonus clip

[@yifenifen5709]

Shortstop Guillotine and Fan is already my favourite loadout in the game so it's nice to see I'm not alone in enjoying it

[@i_am_m_plant]

More like bad o' war ehheahghhhgh

[@Vortrox]

I love the ORAS music!

[@wyld_wolfwin]

If I recall correctly the fan of war used to last for quite a bit longer than 15 seconds. One of my first killstreak weapons was the fan so I used it a lot and now I like it quite a bit. Situational but fun.

[@newturtle3]

No i remember Then they "reworked it"

[@daybloom67studios13]

3:34 that demo was 100% cheating

[@listenyou3850]

Bad weapons count today Scout : 7 Soldier : 3 Pyro : 3 Demoman : 2 Heavy : 5 Engineer : 1 Medic : 3 Sniper : 4 Spy : 3 Wait for add to new video

[@StoryTeller796]

I just had a random shower thought go through my head that still utilizes the buff that you gave to the Sandman's buff, what if the melee of the Sandman could create a custom debuff that slows down the opponent at half the speed of a moonshot, and lowers the overall damage of the Sandman user by about 10% after every consecutive swing of the melee for about 5 seconds. However, the Sandman buffs the melees of all allies by about 15% for 7 seconds. Do you know what this means? That's right, a single Sandman Scout would be able to singlehandedly create so much chaos in a Medieval Mode server, which is why I put the lower damage of the Sandman itself so that it cannot combo off of it by itself, and I would like to exclude the Demoknight subclass from being able to benefit from the buff along with crits and mini-crits nullifying the effect that the Scout could possibly give. Why? Well, because if we were to combo the damage everyone would need a Sandman Scout and that would not be balanced at all in the slightest. What I want this to do instead is to make all original meme Melee weapons into viable range, which I believe would fit in with the Sandman's theme, in that it is the SANDMAN. "Mr Sandman, Give Me a Dream" or insert the entirety of Enter Sandman by Metallica type of thing. This would make the Sandman honestly pretty cool due to the virtue of it effectively giving Scout a niche of being a leader of meme melee loadouts, and it would also still cost the Scout a lot by needing to have a team, needing to get into the enemy's face, which as you've said with the Fan O War is not an easy task, especially with 15 less health, and there are just so many other factors against Scout in this case and it would not invalidate the Ball option if anything else it would provide an option for Scouts to optionally lead a Melee army into a weakened enemy team that is too busy reloading their bullets or whatever else they could possibly be too busy with. The only class I can think of off the top of my head that would possibly be able to counter or actually enjoy this consistently would be Pyro, which I suppose since it is the Pyroland guy that a phony like Scout would like to rip off would be teaching the phony his place. Pyro, with the ability to airblast and the ability to burn so many enemies, especially with the Phlog, would technically have a lovely time just enjoying burning and blasting enemies away at their leisure. But yeah, what is Scout, Soldier, Demoman or Demoknight, Heavy, Pre/Post Building Engineer, Medic, Spy, or Sniper going to do against an Army of Melee Zealots marching towards them? Kill them one by one or try to Splash Damage as many of them as possible? That's probably not going to be a particularly possible possibility considering that one of them has to reach them at some point, and all Soldiers only have up to 4 rockets, 3 if we're talking about the Black Box which Conch cannot save a Soldier from Melee, Scouts will be eaten alive, Demomen and Demoknights will have to actually hit the enemies, Heavies cannot kill everyone, Engineers need their buildings and only their Sentries could block an Army of Enemy Melee fanatics which as I mean, they can still just switch off their melee and shoot the Sentry, Snipers can only shoot the classes one by one and that is because there is hopefully no Medic to heal everyone up, not even to mention the fact that once a Sniper is overwhelmed, there is nothing that they can do, Spies cannot stab an entire army that will probably be looking for them, and even if they were to threaten the enemy with a Kunai Trickstab, I mean the Sandman team can just shoot the kill joy, and what is a Medic going to do? Seriously, this niche for Sandman would not be overpowered, but it would be fun. It would be like an event that signals and heralds the coming of Melee Mania, the bell of the apocalypse, a sign of the Endtimes.

[@ChiefShrek]

Hahahahhaa the one guy working on tf2 said that this summer update "won't be as big as the last" as if that was a big update and not just a bunch of maps and cosmetics like every single boring christmas and halloween update hahaha. SMALLER? How does it get smaller than that? lmao

[@zButterfly]

I believe fan o' war is a great weapon for teamplay. This weapon is not for uh, it's user's benefit. It allows you to let your team focus a specific enemy you marked for death, and deal with other enemies by yourself at the same time. Sure it's easier and more effective to shoot enemies right away instead of first marking them for death and only then shooting, but that's not how this weapon should be used. As teamplay mostly lacks in casual tf2, and despite that i'm not a competitive player and never played it, so i might have a wrong picture about it, but i think that fan o' war may be the best melee weapon for scout in a competitive setting, where you and all of your teammates have a voice communication. You flank enemy team, mark one target with fan o war, tell your team who you've marked, and while your team deals with the marked enemy, you can deal with others. Damage bonus and lack of damage fall off for mini crits makes it a lot easier to focus a specific enemy and so much faster too.

[@Cinnamowo]

I love Fan O' War because I am a fan of humiliating my enemy and announcing their defeat to the entire server. No wonder strange for this weapon costs so much, what an intimidating power

[@ryleain5057]

I know I'm 2 weeks late but actually strange variants are rare because this is a promotional item-

[@trasheditidkwhattrap9705]

It is a cool weapon in concept but thats about it, I do like the speed boost on kill on rebalance, however with sandman also giving mini crits it doesnt feel very rewarding, especially when you only get the boost on kill so its not guaranteed. I feel like the range increase would make it better, but do I want to get myself in danger to get, still quite helpful, but not insanely helpful boost? The 25% faster holster speed is nice I'll say that. It just gets outclassed easily. It is fun when it works tho. Oh and the sandman also has a mark for death upgrade in mvm so even there it falls off later.

[@icetide9411]

Honestly I love the fan, just because sometimes it's really fun. That cleaver combo is just so so delicious. Also it can genuinely be the best for slapping a pocketed heavy since it really helps the team beam them down

[@BlaixenU_]

One thing about MvM: The Fan can actually prove to be really effective, since snipers are usually perched far away from the drop zone and the META Soldier loadout includes the Concherer.

[@cassiod2728]

This is what I was gonna say, plus even if the solider is running buff banner hitting an enemy with the fan is a lot quicker then tooting a buff banner horn and it frees up the solider to use the buff banner for things other then giant slaying

[@theotv5522]

A buff suggestion is when equipped all the buffs and debuffs applies to your entire loadout. This means your primary and secondary can now mark but they all do 75% less dmg.

[@IvaHaze]

HOW COULD YOU!! I BELIEVED IN YOU FISH! I LOVE FAN O WAR 😭😭😭😭😭😭!!

[@lotsofluigi0001]

I usually use the FOW with the madmilk and FAN in vsh as a support scout. It's very easy to get all of your debuffs in since hale is most often focused on the bigger classes and groups, so you can easily catch him by surprise. and on most maps a FAN shot afterwards will just send him flying.

[@doomkitty7579]

Do a bad weapon academy on the stock melee weapons

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

For weeks I did nothing but go on 2Fort with the Force-a-Nature, Flying Guillotine, and Fan o' War, but not using them quite how you'd think. I didn't use the Force-a-Nature to shoot people, but purely as a movement item. What I would do is terrorize snipers by hitting them with the Fan o' War, and immediately following up with the Guillotine. That combo does exactly 127 damage over time, and it's hilarious to bait the snipers into chasing you instead of running for health. You just stare at them from just outside their melee range and watch them bleed to death.

[@MeesterTweester]

lol

[@ronanclark2129]

It forces full health players to suffer a respawn timer lol

[@lucasdacarinha]

Its been a long shot since the last episode huh

[@urmomonion1553]

Thanks for the video fish stick! I know you probably won’t see this but you and the rest of the tf2 community really helped me out of my depression! I can’t wait for future videos

[@brawlstar1748]

Honestly, I’ve gotten a lot of use out of this melee in conjunction with the Pistol and Babyface. Getting a cheeky bonk in gives me the opportunity to get more boost when I can land my shots, and it helps with juking out the enemy and chipping them down as well.

[@TheSixerFixer]

It's good on mvm. The end.

[@deadly6studios922]

8:57 I'm Pingu the Ping Pirate :)

[@gamercube122]

I’m a fan of war too

[@coolepic519]

IT HAPPENED! FAN’S O WAR UNITE

[@pelu3609]

I personally realy like the fan o war, the concept of hitting someone with your melee and then your propper guns(or viceversa) its really fun.

[@kemosonicfan123lbp]

Speaking of the disciplinary action, maybe the Fan o' War could provide Scout with a speed boost on melee hit. To reward you for connecting the hit with the opportunity to get away and let your team get the opponent, or give you the much needed juke potential to reload and win the 1v1

[@medicore694]

11:00 scorch shot but bleed

[@kaignettner7000]

I used to run the Fan o War with Baby Face in a flank heavy playstyle where I would use the boosted movement speed to tag people that are currently fighting my teammates, was honestly pretty fun.

[@TitanAEX4]

Another glorious Bad Weapon Academy video, and I can imagine your pain at the sight of the last scene.

[@EdgieAlias]

The fan o war isnt bad at all! Pairs fantastic with the force a nature, and is great for marking key targets of importance, such as heavy, engi, and medic. Its easily one of his best melee options.

[@hayato1886]

If you're in melee range of an engi or medic, it'd be much easier and faster to just kill them with your primary.

[@EdgieAlias]

@@hayato1886 Scout isn't made for meatshots believe it or not. Those are hard to land. Scout is for people who know that 40 damage is actually a lot. He literally has two secondaries as his weapons. Engi also has this, AND an auto aiming and shooting gun.

[@hayato1886]

@@EdgieAlias My brother in Christ are we playing the same class? Melee range, you are getting a meat shot

[@EdgieAlias]

@@hayato1886 I main scout and have 3.5k hours in the game. Meatshots are the hardest part of scout. Stop getting your opinions from youtube videos. The class is small and has a low health pool. He's strongest when running away. Getting up close is almost always a death sentence. He should be using his small frame to utilize cover and be shooting people from a distance, because as I said earlier, 40 damage is a lot of damage. He has the highest swing speed in the game. It is much easier to land a melee hit.

[@PTTEntertainment]

Do the cow mangler next please

[@skyixyes3971]

Another thing to remember is that this isn't the only melee that turns minicrits into crits. Meaning the bushwacca will crit marked enemies. Got a friend as sniper with me a few times to do this. It's not as good as jarate most of the time, but we have had someone accuse cheating.

[@bunkerbuster4266]

Also, I find the mark for death one at a time thing completely ludricrous if Jarate can completely mark a whole group for death in nearly the same time as the Fan O War. With the Fan O War, it's a melee weapon that costs risk and skill to hit a group since your range is limited. Meanwhile, Jarate can do the same thing in just one click depending on aiming of the arc.

[@MeesterTweester]

I finished watching all the TF2 Bad Weapon Academy videos so far now! (though I watched this one at release)

[@bunkerbuster4266]

One other thing you didn't mention about the Fan O War is its hit sound, specifically to the enemy. It's freaking scary.

[@GustavoSuperSonic2001]

I was hoping a "I Defense of" of the Fan O' War, now it will relegated into Bad Weapon Territory, Thanks Fish

[@I-Stole-Your-Toast700]

ngl I love the FoW and just charging at an enemy's push (Works better while Ubered) because like you get so many people marked its like effectively just splashing jarate or using the buff banner as soldier but you dont have to be alive, AND THEY CAN REMOVE IT so they either have to keep pushing while taking 35% dmg or retreat, not pushing and therefore giving my team 10-15 seconds

[@shukusama7549]

8:25 hey hey hey! Don't expect me to gloss over that, say it right!

[@anonomusperson]

change the 75% damage penanalty to a 50% damage peanalty oh. or change the debuff to also slowly drain there max health(-1 max health until they reach resupply for every 3 damage they take under the effects duration) as a reffrence to how the jellyfish its named affter leaves some NASTY afterburns

[@GunSpyEnthusiast]

scout's melee damage is actually more important than you would think. After you have fired all of your scattergun rounds, reloading takes 0.7 seconds for the first bullet, which you will likely fire in an attempt to end the fight quickly. This means that after your clip is empty, the scattergun will likely do 79 DPS, not accounting for delay's in firing due to poor timing. (Assuming that all pellets connect at point blank) Meanwhile, the bat does 70 DPS, uses the larger projectile hitbox, and incentives the enemy to pull out their own melee, at the cost of less maximum DPS, taking half a second to holster, wasting around 40-35 damage worth of time (amount you do to enemy), and moving your arm's, which theoretically adds more surface area to be hit relative to the enemy, though its minimal, and by my estimates would make you take >1-5% more damage from things like miniguns and shotguns. In summary, without random crits, the bat trades DPS for more reliable damage against things like other scouts, snipers, and engineers (that don't have buildings set up), who have relatively small hitboxes, or are likely to just blow your head off if you back up. With random crits, however, the bat does around 101 DPS (calculating with minimal crit chance of 15%). Use it.

[@TV-qm8ob]

Hi

[@JamesHolloway1980]

I'd argue it does have a use with the Scattergun. It's a great tool to screw Demoknights cheesing the Eyelander with maximum heads or pub stomping Heavy/Medic pairs. Getting a debuff in can really ruin their annoying momentum by making them easier to kill. If I were to make it less useless, I'd make it give the user marked for death like the Escape Plan but also give it the ability to grant team outline wall hacks, to literally tell your team: THIS GUY MUST DIE. Probably OP, but you earned it.

[@DBArtsCreators]

Personally, I'd rather a redesign into one of the following: * (A): Give the Fan a ranged projectile that applies the 'marked for death' status, instead of having the hits inflict the status * (B): Remove "Marked for Death" and have it instead apply mini-crits to enemies near the Scout (as well as the Scout himself maybe) while the weapon is drawn (you essentially become portable Jarate / a reverse Buff Banner) Either would make it different and a bit easier to use than simply doing the Scout's job, but worse.

[@jaysbadatgaming]

I feel like it could be fixed pretty easily by giving it like a +15% equip/dequip speed boost, and maybe even changing the -75% damage to only happen on non-crit swings. That seems pretty good, because it usually struggles AFTER you've hit the enemy since they'll be then aware of your position and whatnot, so you could pull out your weapon faster. Edit: this literally just makes it a better bat, so maybe stack on a small damage vulnerability while having it equipped, and obviously removing random crits if it had them enabled.

[@pseudonomenclature8054]

I'd argue that the Baby Face's Blaster + Fan O'War synergy is pretty on par with the Baby Face's Blaster + Wrap Assassin synergy. In either case you'd already be using the Flying Guillotine in the secondary slot, so having the Wrap Assassin equipped to fill the same role can be kind of excessive. The Fan O'War has more synergies with the BFB than just helping you build boost faster. It also becomes easier and less punishing to use due to its synergy with the BFB's faster movement speed, and helps mitigate the problems that arise from the BFB's smaller clip size. Of course, you'd still be using the BFB, which is a weapon that's literally only potentially a viable option on one singular map in the entire game (i.e. koth_harvest)

[@newturtle3]

Fan o war would be better if it could tag multiple enemies up to say 10 seconds each before mini crits disappear. It would make scout a very funny support class function of a non stock uber push get tagging a lot of enemies easier than sniper jarate and probably get out in time before they know what hitem. Pair it with crit a cola and watch them take like 40 damage each swing and p much soften up the enemy. A better stat for this idk. It is a fan. So not much melee damage (not that scout does that much anyhow). Maybe people have suggested, like the sandman reworks, that it should be able to deflect projectiles especially the sandman being a bat and all. Just like the pseudo airblast called the shortstop push alt fire m2. The only other thing would be a buff of sorts but soldier already has 2 items for that. Alternatively it could become a super useful spychecker any ally marked for death = spy and it wouldn't disappear. But again it would be redundant and we already have posmon thats pretty bad at spy cloak and medic ubercharge drains. So really it just needs a buff to mark several enemies at oncr

[@KyoukiTheTerminator]

The Fan O' War was probably the best weapon in an extremely specific situation. On 2Fort CTF, us on BLU were just defence. The entire other team was on a full frontal assault, constantly pushing further and further. Using the Fan O' War, I was able to be the absolute cunt scout has always been, by simple diving into a group of people and spam clicking until I died, marking as many targets for death as possible. However, I do not recommend doing this unless you are on heavy defence, because pyro exists.

[@llmkursk8254]

I’m gonna go in defense of Scout’s melee options. While a bit of a meme pick 95% of the time in terms of simply hitting the enemy, there is some utility in hitting an enemy with even one melee hit in a few circumstances, namely the initial hit on a light class. Sure you can just two tap them, but it’s still a use. The Fan-O-War just does this job the best, as you only need one hit and all your weapons will deal 35% more damage to that enemy. But in any case, it’s still a faster swinging bit of burst damage, and Scout has the movement speed to get those hits in. I’m pretty sure the reason we haven’t gotten any damage boosted melee weapons for Scout is simply because how overpowered a stock Shovel (without Scout’s bat swing speed) would be. It does make me wonder though… Is the Boston Basher *actually* a good weapon? Sure the bleed is nice, and there is the odd Basher Jump utility, but I think Scouts only use it for Uber building…

[@AN-xi1vk]

this weapon is absolutely hilarious and insane on Medieval if you're playing with at least one other guy. Have one of you go scout with fan o war and optionally milk/guillotine for damage. The other player should go sniper with the huntsman, cozy camper for regen and most important the bushwacka. Scout goes in, gets a hit, runs away, and like 90% of players are unaware what mark for death + bushwacka does, so that means an instant kill for 7 of the 9 classes, and a guaranteed kill in two for anybody including max-head eyelander demomen. It's one of the most amazing things to do or witness, wiping out 5 people in the span of a few seconds with a competent scout at your side.

[@thedecentgamer7818]

Doesn't the sandman also have a mark for death upgrade in MVM? That just makes the Fan o War even worse, since its entire upside is rendered pointless by a cheap upgrade for a different weapon that can do the same exact job both with melee AND a projectile. And the sandman doesn't need to worry about the health penalty since scout is always healing and overhealing from cash pickups, and there's resistances, AND the boosted movement to dodge damage easier. Overall, the Fan o War is pretty much pointless in MVM.

[@alex_zetsu]

I wouldn't be so salty about Fish complaining about the old Sandman if Snipers had say... a 30% chance of getting the charge bonus on a bodyshot instead of 100% (or if charged body shots by default did 120 damage). Stun was a bit BS, but that's nothing compared to a long range instant kill that doesn't even need to aim for the head.

[@starmantheblaziken1453]

Hey if I remember, you did The Sand Man that the thing can relatively outdo the Fan of War in MVM when it has the M4D upgrade, right? Especially as the way it was implemented can cause not just balls, but the bat swings to do the marking.

[@Youhadabadday2021]

5:13 Buddy, you have no idea how hard I laughed at this, because this is just plain WRONG. In fact, The Fan O' War is actually META in MVM, simply because those alternatives you mentioned come at the cost of reducing your team's overall affectiveness. A Soldier with the buff banner is worthless outside of Two Cities specifically because of the high credit cost to be relatively decent, therefore leading to a deficit in damage, and Sniper would be too busy using his rifle to hit AOE headshots to even consider tossing a jarate here and there. Not to mention, Medics are highly unneccesary when the Scout is running Mad Milk. Meanwhile, every team is going to be running a Scout, and Scout in MVM is always going to fill in the support and money collection role, so therefore, running the Fan O' War would benefit the team rather than hurt it. I suggest watching that MVM Expert Guide on KZbin for more information on this.

[@Tyler_Frenzy]

I remember playing mvm cca.2018 and some dude was like "Where's your milk and fan ?" so I got them and kept using them both all the time even outside of mvm lol. Fuck this piece of garbage

[@rodrigatorx2266]

An idea for a rebalance for this thing, what if it got an alt fire for you to use it as a fan, sending compressed air for similar range to a flamethrower or airblast, with an aoe mark for death, but on a slow cool down? Also, I say again, the Shortstop does not have low damage, it has ~25% higher DPS than stock. Yes, the loss of two shotting medics is meaningful, and the window to two shot light classes can be risky, but it makes fights against soldiers, demos, pyros, and heavies much, much easier, as well as being extremely good if you're unable to get in close enough (for example, the enemy team is coordinated and aware), since the midrange DPS is way way higher than stock, and even better than the pistols

[@newturtle3]

This weapon would probably be about 1000x better on soldier demoman or sniper The ones who can get in get out or sniper if cqc is in the enemy's favor leave em with a marked for death sign that will make a difference.

[@king-knight70]

Hello Mr stickonastick I have a very reasonable request for you, other popular games that end with a 2 for a bad weapon academy, those being plants vs zombies garden warfare 2 and Titanfall 2

[@CassidyCamerons143]

The Fan O War is still Meta in MVM. In a competitive team, Jarate and Buff Banner are far from Meta despite what Boot Camp suggest, Jarate is a full mini crits for everything it hits but you're Sniper, Headshotting would nearly guarantee instant kills and Buff Banner is a leagues behind the absolute power of the Concheror

[@Darkwater1886]

They Fish, hope you're doing good. Just a quick question, do people ever give you a hard time when you say clip? I know your said something once before about it but I was wondering.

[@christianwilliams1690]

I think a fun change for this weapon could be making it a Sandman-style projectile melee, with slow recharge not assisted by ammo packs. Then, it could apply the Marked effect at range, allowing for longer range single-target work and another option other than the scattergun for eliminating light classes at distance with a cleaver combo, while requiring significant skill

[@turtwigproductions9928]

Crazy take, but what if it didn’t deal damage at all? If FoW doesn’t deal damage it won’t alert the enemy player that they’ve been hit, meaning they wouldn’t notice they’re marked. Or does tf2 still make the hit effect happen even when there’s no damage. Just a thought

[@zombieboss5178]

I've been using a combination of the baby face's blaster and the fan o war, with the increase in speed I'm able to both close the gap quicker and back up to avoid damage, while the reduced mag size of the bfb isn't as detrimental since it takes many less shots to kill, especially at a slight range. Only downside is if they see you coming for them your gonna get slowed down and killed, but on alot of maps you can move so fast around the flank that you can just coordinate with your team to have them distract and then hit the high value target and dip away, it's very effective in casual with my flank heavy spy-like playstyle

[@highwaymanF2]

Yea this thing isn’t very salvageable. It’s a meme or hail Mary strat at best. Almost every situation where this thing works would be done more consistently by your primary or secondary. I’d much rather relate my melee slot to something like the Atomizer or Boston Basher. Even stock at least can do enough damage to kill a guy you softened up