TF2 Leaked 7 Years Early & We Lost It

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[@TylerMcVicker1]

If you know anything about these builds, please get into contact with me at [e-mail] - thank you.

[@TristenTheArgonian]

We gotta put a bounty pool on this Build.

[@emilianoleiva9467]

@noclip help

[@CuteFuzzyWeasel]

sent you an email

[@ChauChatt]

is that Paul Soures Jr comment made at about 4:00 THE PSJR who plays minecraft? Definitly looks like his style of comments, would be so funny to see peoople discussing these topics before they were famous

[@energydrinkconsumer9271]

@@CuteFuzzyWeasel so wait, you had it?

[@queuedjar4578]

Valve has TF2 fans in a state where they have to go back to the year 2000 and go on a community wide search of old crumbling hard drives just to get more content from this series.

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

What more could you want other than fix bot problem and fix bugs

[@azuknow1653]

@@vodkawhisperer3923an actual update

[@tezcanaslan2877]

@@azuknow1653 hush feast on the seasonal updates

[@actuallymesfin]

@@vodkawhisperer3923 ?????

[@k96man]

Something tells me TF2 fans wouldn't find much interest in B.O.A.

[@Daniel-be6cj]

Insane that Valve's FTP got leaked out more than once and we didn't even know about the craziest one

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

hl2 leak was the craziest one

[@Andrew-eu7to]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 It wasn't a HL2 leak, it was everything leak

[@CuteFuzzyWeasel]

You know, funny story. Back in 02 my sister's first husband gifted me a CD full of all this old Half-life and counterstrike related content that he downloaded off of usenet (I lived in rural NC at the time and had HORRIBLE internet back then) and TBH some of this is flipping some nurons. I dont want to say that it's on the disk (I dont even want to say I have it because its been 22 years) but when I have time this week I'll dig through some boxes and see. again, its been 22 years and I've moved three times but for once my maddening sentimentality might actually have done something useful... maybe. Like theres a 10% chance that maybe I still have it. (just updated the status of the CDs on my twitter, again I HIGHLY doubt I have the files, but you know, worth a shot anyway)

[@KRcanondaisa]

godspeed in finding that decrepit old hard disk with tf2:boa intact on it 🙏🙏🙏

[@streetystuff]

Hopefully it's something. Good luck on finding it!

[@cxeroannuki2840]

thanks for checking. who knows, could be something great

[@necrosmasherunion8353]

Good luck hopefully you will find TFBOA :D

[@EugenijusKrenis]

Chances are what you had on that disk was Firearms, a publicly available mod.

[@schizoposter1499]

My favorite part was the person at 4:48 mentioning Duke Nukem Forever as if it was going to release within the next few years... in 1998. The game came out in 2011. RIP to that guy and his hopes.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

Crazy that the difference between 1998 and 2011 is the same between 2011 and now

[@heyyitsultima]

@@TechnologicallyTechnical The way you just made my brain scream

[@flightlessboy4040]

​@@TechnologicallyTechnicaleh that's just how time works no?

[@Arakus99]

I mean it did have Decals in it

[@ros9764]

@@TechnologicallyTechnical I honestly thought the time between late 90s and 2010s is shorter than time between 2010s and now

[@Chord_]

This is such a weird yet perfect way of exemplifying how history works. 20 years ago, if you were on these boards, you would've *absolutely* known about these leaks. When someone mentioned "the leak(s)", you wouldn't need to ask which one. You'd just know. That's how seismically large they were. But today, (a mere) 20 years later, and suddenly this is like unearthing the city of Troy! *Nobody* knew about this thing that was utterly common knowledge. It's revelatory! Groundbreaking! What else have we forgotten?

[@awrsish]

how to enact effective governmental policy

[@darrenchen964]

I wasn't even alive when they happened

[@hoffer_moment]

i always think this sort of thing is so interesting, seeing modern Internet unveil old Internet stuff that was 'popular' back then for Internet users, as if no one knew about it, because the scale of the internet now is just so massive compared to then. but it's funny because the Internet felt back then like it was just as massive in a way.. but this stuff puts it in perspective. it's interesting

[@fus132]

Internet rots faster than it appears.

[@fr4nmo475]

Brotherhood of arms sounds like battlefield 2.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

pretty sure that's right on the money, which would make BOA a very popular game if it had ever released.

[@fr4nmo475]

@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd i mean, yes, imagine battlefield2 5 years before battlefield2

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

@@fr4nmo475 gotta love it when you hear of these projects in hindsight, right? So unfortunate.

[@KodakYarr]

BF2 was the reason Valve scrapped BOA

[@dimostychalas9716]

Goldsource does not support big open maps :/

[@danvsclips8326]

If I could ask you one favor, you have an incredible talent for scouring the internet and knowing the right techniques to find lost builds. If you ever find the time, put some energy into finding the neigh mythical December 5th-7th 2003 build of Fallout 3. It's the last version of the Van Buren Project by the original Fallout creators Interplay and was 85ish% complete when the studio was shutdown. Since then, a TON of stuff has leaked. A tech demo used to show off the engine, 15 of the 16 design documents(13th one may or may not have been found it's debated), concept art, maps, interviews, almost everything...except the final builds of the game with all the assets. The Tech Demo is just that, a demo, most of the assets not relevant and all the stuff being worked on isn't in there. If fans could find the final build(December 2003, exact date depends on whether they worked weekends or not which is unknown and whether or not they started anything the Monday the studio shutdown, somewhere between the 5th and the 8th), they'd have EVERYTHING they need to finish the game themselves and play the Fallout 3 we never saw. Try, if you can.

[@LordScout]

This is valve news network sir you're looking for Bethesda news network

[@Wabbaaajack]

@@LordScout At that point it was Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian

[@pedroanitelli]

For real, this is some very cool game journalism. I hope you find that lost build.

[@Potholet]

I think my dad had the exe. File, he was big in this stuff back then and used to share these kinds of files with his workmates to play games. I'm going to see him this weekend and ask him, a few months back we did a clear out of his garage and found LOADS of old hard drives filled with old files. We never went through them though but was in a box filled with the OG CDs of half life 1, few floppy discs etc. got me curious now

[@FokoPoko991]

DO IT

[@FokoPoko991]

Ask him if he played the beta of BOA

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Any updates as of now?

[@harry_pot2524]

i wish you luck

[@Potholet]

@@wadmodderschalton5763 not been the weekend yet, it's Friday. Heading over on Saturday

[@ultgamercw6759]

You're kidding me. There's a Beta of the original tf2 from a leak 24 years ago? That's incredible. Even if that's true though, the chances of finding a Beta from that long ago are slim. You'd need to have been on one of those websites at the exact right time and still have a PC from nearly two and a half decades ago somewhere.

[@HaxxorElite]

Nice pfp

[@ultgamercw6759]

@@HaxxorElite thanks

[@Nem0451]

You're right, but now it's making me think that there's got to be at least that one guy out there somewhere that does. Cheers, big ears!

[@dialga236]

if the runescape cache archival project has taught me anything, more people have their old ancient pcs then youd realize.

[@polyblues]

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference...

[@scarletcrusader5431]

I've always needed a TF2: BoA build. This needs to be re-found.

[@tangentspace]

TFC was my first online game. I remember going to Best Buy asking when Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood of Arms was going to come out. I am 35 now and would love to see this found someday.

[@mimi4plus3]

If we're talking about the contents of Valve's FTP server having been leaked in the year 2000, does this mean a year 2000 build of Half-Life 2 had leaked as well (potentially a SIGGRAPH 2000 build)? Did you find someone mentioning something about a Half-Life 2 build on the usenet group?

[@TylerMcVicker1]

It possibly does.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@TylerMcVicker1 FTP is not the same thing as their internal repo server. The BOA build was likely on the FTP due to a closed test between employees and such, but ...Since we don't know what was on it, anything is possible. A Half-life 2 leak would definitely have made history back then though.

[@mimi4plus3]

Realistically, I would expect this leak to at least have some Half-Life 2 alpha assets in that build of TF2's content, maybe even maps not present in the 2003 Half-Life 2 leak. (there are screenshots of Valve testing then-existing maps from Half-Life 2 in TF2 (or the other way around) at the time, after all). If there actually was a Half-Life 2 beta executable leak at the time, people would've known, and headlines would have been made. I don't know why I asked this in my original comment, but who knows? Maybe all of those people collectively didn't check one folder and one whole other leaked beta build of Half-Life 2 has stood overlooked for 24 years in people's hard drives. Still, I'm looking forward to someone finding the lost leak of a build of pre-invasion Team Fortress 2, even if it's not Half-Life 2-related. I've played Team Fortress 2 for almost (or more than) a decade now, and I wish to see how it was initially like.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@mimi4plus3 Indeed I also believe a BOA build might have early Source and HL2 stuff, but I dont think there was an early HL2 build in there.

@@mimi4plus3 Yeah, the borealis map was used for some screenshots of the models.

[@bat_mobile7545]

The craziest part is a working (minor bugs) TF2 BOA beta build is still out there under our radar for almost 20+ years, not to mention a possible tech demo build of Half-Life 2 (the Get Your Free TV one) for SIGGRAPH. What a time to be alive!

[@slackingstacker]

The possibility of getting more old HL2 assets is amazing in itself, I'll be cautiously optimistic about this

[@hislittlecuzin]

Imagine watching this video and distinctly remember throwing out your PC with ALL of the files discussed.

[@Narbacat]

i always wanted to play this so much, i hope somebody finds it soon

[@edaciousx]

me too! and I had NO clue it was leaked

[@MrBump2]

4:58 Hey it's me! (Not really, just saw the name and chuckled)

[@Real_TV12]

It was Mr Bump 1, your long-lost brother

[@drgabi18]

@@Real_TV12 Maybe the father, you never know

[@Real_TV12]

@@drgabi18 Truely a mystery to never be answered

[@tecmaxxd]

Mrbump generations

[@chiefhydropolis]

MrBump Classic Edition

[@RingingResonance]

Bitrot is real. Lots of stuff from the old internet no longer exist.

[@Nebula404]

This is the treasure hunt of all time. I remember playing TFC all the way back in Steam's infancy. I pondered at the time why BoA never shipped. The only way I knew BoA existed were the Planet Half-Life websites. This is the best cut content story you've put out. I really hope we the Passionate Gamers ™ can get to the bottom of this.

[@lizardizzle]

Thank you Tyler, very passionate. ALSO, your recap of the usenet system and what you read of old posts was fascinating. Thank you for making all that.

[@genralawsome244]

Our gamer ancestors would have never tolerated the state of gaming today 😂

[@fus132]

_My ancestors are smiling upon me, whale! Can you say the same?_

[@CommanderSp00ky]

Speaking of Half-Life lost media, I've been obsessed with a lost mod called "Club Swiss". The only lead I had was TheMegatonBomb's uploads where he once provided links which no longer work, but ever since I contacted him he actually DELETED those links and even some of my comments! Thankfully I have saved one link. If anyone is interested reply to this comment

[@babygingy4]

I can try and help

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

Is it made by Swiss_Cheese? The same people who made the Halloween mod?

[@CommanderSp00ky]

@@Tamamo-no-Bae I believe so. At least he is related to the lost mod.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@CommanderSp00ky The name is familiar, so I definitely saw the mod's name somewhere.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@CommanderSp00ky Ok did some searching and I was able to find it.

[@avroo]

if someone leaks valve tf or tf2boa (tfc leak builds will result in the photo but are also welcome) , i will give you a banana fully peeled with my sign on it. if you want i can give you a photo of it with (if you dont wanna wait the time if it ever goes to your house that is) i know the banana signed by me its valuable stuff but im willing to forget it and give to whoever has tf2boa. the bounty will go until the banana essentially rottens, gets stolen by my dog (or i forget about it and put it in the trash can), i would put a bounty of 5 cents and quarter that is stuck in my sofa, but i forgot where the 5 cents are and the quarter is unaccesible and im lazy now. so the bounty is on, whoever gets tf2boa or valvetf build (tfc as well but whatevs) will get a banana signed by me (maybe free shipping, dont count me on it). edit 1: tfc builds are prob not lost i got the 2 versions from oddoc a hl2beta admin and it needs hl won 1.0.0.9 to play, since it is an around 1 month old build it might look the same in the surface edit 2: unfortanely the banana is lost :(

[@wackygoober]

this is an INSANE deal, everybody will be rushing for this now

[@drgabi18]

Someone might correct me on this, but I swear the devs have said that all that was in the promotional images and vids was ALL that they've ever made, in terms of assets/models/textures etc. , we have seen everything, we just haven't been able to play with the controls.

[@TylerMcVicker1]

This is true of valves team fortress, not team fortress two brotherhood of arms

[@drgabi18]

@@TylerMcVicker1 Dayum I knew I remembered something, not the right thing though. I think I got confused because it was a DYKG video with a TF2 BOA video showing (I'm not gonna dig it up since it's probably a false memory). Good luck with the e-mails!

[@jpc-273]

Instead of cancelling Brotherhood of Arms and bringing us the TF2 we all know. I would have preferred them to turn it into a new IP, removing the name Team Fortress. From the looks of it, it would have been a worthy competitor to the Battlefield series.

[@IsmailofeRegime]

I dunno about being a competitor. I'm sure it could be fun, but I'd imagine Battlefield's vehicle controls and map sizes would still be superior to what GoldSrc developers in the early 2000s were capable of.

[@enclavehere.7995]

You know, althought this version of TF2 might have never reached the same level of fame and longevity that the current one has, I still would have loved to play it. It looked cool! I love GoldSrc games, and especially love the Cold War military vibe BOA had

[@aforty1]

This video brings back a lot of memories. Early internet, usenet, planet sites, gamespy, and of course the immense hype I and everyone else felt for that version of TF2. I really hope this gets found because I would love to finally try it. Liked, and this comment is for the algorithm.

[@Cephalopod51]

It's a shame that we never got Brotherhood of Arms. I like the Team Fortress 2 we got, but it still would've been interesting to see the BoA rendition of TF2 get made. The ideas they had for BoA were very ambitious, and it sounded like the developers wanted to push Team Fortress' gameplay in the direction of an epic tactical military simulator. It was developed in a time when some game companies were trying to push for realism in games. While perhaps the BoA team were planning to radically change TF's gameplay into too much of a realistic direction, the ideas they had for TF2 were still pretty interesting. At the time when I saw the previews and screenshots for BoA, I thought it used the most advanced looking version of Half-Life 1's engine I had seen. It was even rumored on Planet Half-Life that Half-Life 2 would use BoA's engine. Of course, the Half-Life 2 we got was way more advanced than any of us had expected, but that's another story. The idea of BoA simulating Saving Private Ryan-like warfare and tactics seemed exciting at the time as well. Who knows how BoA would've turned out if the developers just stuck with it. I almost understand Valve's rationale for revising TF2, though I still think they made a mistake by abandoning BoA. Even with the TF2 we got, BoA could've been developed as a spin-off with its own gameplay. I think modders could find ways to recreate and enhance the ideas and concepts for BoA through a Source mod, if a mod team were committed enough to do so. I'd especially play it if it had a singleplayer campaign with bots like Unreal Tournament.

[@queuedjar4578]

Battlefield 2 seems to have become essentially what BoA wanted to be. Specifically Battlefield 2's legacy lives on in mods like Forgotten Hope and Project Reality, and games releasing nowadays like Squad. It would have been a very interesting reality if Valve were instead at the milsim forefront.

[@larock74]

Wild theory but what if we might see some beta HL2 maps if the file gets found? I remember hearing that some screenshots of early TF2 was on a borealis map or something along those lines

[@ShadowSumac]

Could be. GLDSRC / Source games shared some assets during development and some assets from HL2b were found in CS Source. I wouldn't dare to hope for the whole build or anything, but maybe some models, files and textures

[@suspectdominick9326]

I got surprised when i saw the pyro concept design on the thumbnail, The exact one i have of profile picture. I damn love that very industrial design, it gives pyro a more serious and imponent vibe like the piromaniac he is

[@-Gal4xy-]

It'd be nice if some of these old builds of TF2 were found someday. I'm very interested in the 2006 era of Team Fortress 2. When things looked way more "cartoony" in the art style and lighting. Nail gun Grenades Tranq gun Would love to see more stuff from this era

[@damsen978]

This video is nowhere near about that. But yes, i'd like to see that too. PreFortress 2 is just a fan-interpretation and they decided to stray away from being faithful, so they just invented and crammed a ton of their ideas into it. So it's nowhere the same as what you and i would like to play. I don't care how boring it may seem, or how mute the characters would be. I just want to see how it was to appreciate the final build of TF2 even more. To see from Valve's POV why they made the changes and additions they did at the time. It's like playing The Sims 1 and then The Sims 2 and it will make you appreciate the improvements the sequel made to the previous game. Rather be quality of life or whatever.

[@-Gal4xy-]

@@damsen978 I know its no where near about that. I was just making a comment related to TF2 builds in general lol

[@gimok2k5]

Shouldn't TF2 Classic be the thing for you, then? :P

[@Vriess123]

This would be the biggest gaming find ever for me, hope you get some leads!!!!

[@streetystuff]

Brotherhood of Arms!

[@SloanStewart]

I still have one of the magazines that had a full article on this, maybe PC Gamer or Computer Gaming Monthly(?). I was incredibly hyped and still dream about that version of the game that we never saw!

[@pushblaz299]

Ah man I hope you find this build. I too like digging around for old games unreleased stuff. There's a game also published by sierra called starsige tribes that came out in 98' and has a video on YT of the alpha gameplay which is very different from the beta and release build of tribes. You can watch the video and see parts of it, but nobody can seem to find the build. Also yeah devs usually aren't super keen to help because it was some job they worked at years back they don't usually see the importance of early builds, that's a pretty common thing. Maybe I will do some digging on the wayback machine and see if I can find anything to help find your TF build.

[@Macko_z_Bogdanca]

Great video! I hope someone still have it saved somewhere lol.

[@noxmore]

4:04 is that the same Paul Soares Jr as the minecraft channel?

[@TylerMcVicker1]

Oh crap I think it is.

[@Turnip_]

Nice catch! I can confirm that is him, GuildBoss is one of his aliases. Edit: He is big into IT, it is probably worth reaching out to him.

[@MakerManX]

That's wild

[@dextergrif]

I loved that man, his videos were so relaxed compared to a lot of the over-the-top Minecraft KZbinrs at the time. Weird to see him come up in this context but cool nonetheless

[@Dat__Cat]

I caught the same thing at 2:48

[@EliasBremer]

great video! truly appreciate the work!

[@Juan________S12]

Very interesting. Hopefully we can see this one!!

[@lilidili1962]

thanks man a love how passionate you are

I was obsessed with this game since I got a Half-Life disc that had a web page with screenshots and info about it, it also had homefront, Sierra was pushing hard the marketing.

[@bekativus]

I learned a lot!

[@kytkeyboardsyoureterrific439]

I hope it’s found! Good luck on the hunt

[@Vienna3080]

It’s actually insane that nobody in 24 years has reported this

[@lcathey5523]

I have a feeling that sense I first know about BOA that they will be something out there, and they will be a disc like half life alpha, or a leak somewhere. If anyone will find this BOA leak, I salute to them.

[@humanharddrive1]

i loved the look back

[@elchuchas2424]

Since I remember seeing this canceled version of TF2, I have always wanted to have it, I would love to be able to see the models, the animations, everything, I really love that slightly more realistic concept that they had created, also as far as I know several things that are created for the game were reused in day of defeat, if a beta of this appears, I hope the community will re-create it to make it playable as intended. Thanks for the video

[@Wadethewallaby2001]

My dad has some computers laying around old computers, possibly from 1997. or older I’m sure there might be something around this house?

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Hopefully, It will be found on those old PCs.

[@bandyinkeplayz4404]

If we can contact the interviewer who interview robin walker to find out who the modder was than we can find out maybe

[@themonotonist]

I was intensely excited for Valve's Team Fortress and eventually Brotherhood of Arms as a teenager in the late 90s. I have physical copies of many of the magazine scans shown here, and I used to look at them and read them daily in anticipation for the game releasing. I was already a major half life 1 fan, and spent most of my gaming time playing that and its mods, so a class based military version of HL1 sounded like a dream to me. This was a time of very slow dial up internet, and information didn't spread nearly as fast, so all I knew about this version of TF2 was what was printed in my magazines and a couple blurry cam videos from trade shows posted online. To be able to play one of these old builds of TF2 would be fulfilling a childhood dream of mine

[@Miss_Argent]

I bet it'll be found on a old PIII stored in the same place as a mothballed Bouncer arcade cab

[@spiderjerusalem6887]

I used to eat up all the videos on tf2 brotherhood of arms, I couldn't wait. The fucking garrote wire!

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Hopefully those TFC beta builds and the TF2:BOA beta build is out there on a CD-R or DVD-R backup somewhere.

[@Hyper-active-studios]

I actually would love a tf2 brotherhood of Arms game i really liked the style of the trailers and really wanna play a version of it.

[@XErox7X]

Good Video Tyler, I how you and Electra are doing ok!

[@beasoup4023]

another banger mr gamer, thank you!!

[@hornsteinhof7592]

Yeah i was craving that game so hard back then... Wish someone saved it and shares it here

[@andresbravo2003]

I know what you’re thinking Tyler!

[@mr.miscellaneous]

And so the hunt begins....

[@hoffer_moment]

if someone ever does find these old versions, it kinda sucks that they'll be so vulnerable to ACE exploits and such... so it'll be hard to even find a way to play it with the community in a safe way, at least without totally remaking it in the modern goldsrc engine

[@disrupter8318]

Interesting, I love you Tyler. This video brought a tear to my eye

[@Foxtrop13]

coolest than any team fortress released for sure

[@Myne1001]

4:04 That's the PaulSoaresJnr I'm thinking of, is it? Because he would be old enough to have been posting on these places.

[@noahdigit430]

It would be so awesome to try out a BOA build.

[@droughtsmusic]

We still have a dedicated community that plays TFC online. Pretty fun. Pickup games, ADL, CTF, Conc Maps, etc etc.

[@LaskyLabs]

Time to get myself a time machine.

[@kuklama0706]

Can probably be found among russian pirated releases...

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Try looking into the database of Piper Old Games to figure out which pirated Russian releases had Team Fortress stuff.

[@bruhitsover]

need to play this game before im dead

[@RMJ1984]

Nothing is ever lost. PCgamers are hoarder and we are proud of it!. The files are out there somewhere. You might have to recruit Fox Mulder to find them, but the files are out there.

[@eljestLiv]

How do you feel about the “lost” TF2 map that I’ve seen people talking about being shown in some behind the scenes footage from 2006? Is there any truth behind this or was it simply people confusing one map as two maps?

[@neatodd]

3:09 'Agent' - wow, real Proustian moment there

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Unrelated to Rockstar Games' Agent project.

[@AngryPenguin22]

Man... I'll never forget losing Brotherhood Of Arms. I was just a little kid and really computer illiterate at the time but I was SO excited. I watched all the videos released, all the stuff from e3 over, and over, and over. Practicing how I would be the spy that could blend in with the pillar... I know the current tf2 was a massive success and is beloved by millions, but when I found out it was switched out, that was my first Valve heartbreak experience. I wanted a realistic gritty shooter like the first TF. Not Cartoon Team Fortress. Especially after all the late 90s and early 00 push for more and more realistic graphics, plus Crysis had just released. Idk, I still wish they had stuck with the first one. It still looks more fun to this day.

[@somedesertdude1308]

eh tf had more serious lore back then just more cartoonist style

[@EB01]

Is it known if TF2 BOA is the same TF2 that was being worked on by the TF peeps in 1997 for Quake II? The first I heard about TF2 was Late 1997, and early 1998 it was stated that it was being made for Quake II.

[@Shuji_the_great]

I am pretty sure by the time they were making BOA, they already have gold source ready to use.

[@EB01]

@@Shuji_the_great there is news post on the archive of Planet Fortress TF Mission Control website 29 Jan 1998. The TF devs specifically state working on TF2 for Quake II. I could have been a fake out, but at the time the community (myself included) believed that TF2 was coming to Q2.

[@evdestroy4121]

@@EB01 That was the earliest rendition of TF2. Brotherhood of Arms was the third rendition, after the team had been hired by Valve. The Quake II versions predate that.

[@Nebula_Protogen752]

the textures for a desert map for DOA are in the 2003 HL1Ports leak. in a folder called tfc/materials/tfc2

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

If you find those builds, will you release them? Or will they be locked behind yet another vault.

[@TylerMcVicker1]

Of course they’ll be released. What are you talking about?

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

@@TylerMcVicker1 alright good. I just dont want them to be kept private lol, ive seen people do like, "if you have X lost thing, send it to me", only for the stuff to never be released (eg. Quake GBA's actual Quake build)

[@dbgtbrasil5]

​@@TylerMcVicker1Valve Will sue

[@taxicabcole7264]

@@dbgtbrasil5 -guy who knows absolutely nothing about how valve handles leaks

[@elimcgamerguy]

@@TylerMcVicker1 committed straight to the internet archive hopefully

[@k.m6879]

whats the background music ? i heard this like around 16 years ago . but didn't know the name .

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I always thought this version of TF2 was much more interesting than what was actually released. I never cared for the cartoony characters and bright colorful maps, but absolutely did care for the realistic military look with some quite advanced gameplay elements for the time.

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

it has literally been my dream to get my hands on this beta build, do some work with it, and hopefully get some bots coded for it, only time will tell from now!

[@mints4997]

Whos gonna tell him

[@ssssssssssssssssss50]

What?

[@ginger15103]

I guess it's up to me

[@THEnicholasvancosky]

​@@ginger15103say it then

[@MK-zj8sc]

tell him what?

[@TheQuaadFather]

WHAT? WHAT IS ITTTT?

[@matthewsteele99]

i really want to play this

[@TheGodTwoPointO]

great video

[@JanWizard]

hope someone finds it

[@phrostbit3n]

Hey Tyler; I'd love to hop in your discord to follow this, but the link in your bio is expired -- is there a new one?

[@morfy2581]

Amazing video! Just wow.

[@henrymunnich1648]

What a creative place to data mine

[@3333218]

So there's hope that that FTP leak also leaked early Hyperborea Era HL2 Beta files, and that someone out there has those!

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

Unlikely, that'd have been a big deal. It was not their internal servers, but an FTP. The TF2 build was there so it could be downloaded for testing or for demonstration events. However...Early TF2 was on the earliest versions of the Source engine, and likely had stuff from the Hyper era in them.

[@3333218]

@@Tamamo-no-Bae Yeah, someone else posted the same thing elsewhere and what you're saying was also brought up. However some people also pointed out that it's possible SIGGRAPH Beta HL2 leaked then and no one would know what to look for and what they were looking at. Imagine knowing only about HL1 and finding random Dark and Gritty HL2 files and maps, at the time, would you even suspect it was relevant?

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@3333218 To my knowledge HL2 did not use a codename, so things would have been marked as HL2... However now that you mention it... Its possible that FTP could have had the elusive Free TVs clip.

[@3333218]

@@Tamamo-no-Bae No codename but things weren't necessarily marked as HL2 either. Maps had a naming pattern specifically for the project, such as "c17_(something)", but that doesn't immediately say HL2 to anyone who has no clue what that's supposed to mean.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@3333218 Well that might be true, ye

[@labenvenci1584]

We need to find the person who leaked it in the firstplace, if he's still around. Mabye he has a old HDD with it or something.

[@Itchybol]

0:05 NO NO NO NO NO I GOT FLASHBACKS

[@happyraintf]

20th TF2 birthday, mark my words.

[@knightwolf1363]

I’ve always wondered about brotherhood of arms like everyone I mena everyone will bring it up in history of TF2 but never any full on gameplay only these tv recordings that I always see Tyler use it’s crazy because what’s shown in this video means that I think we would’ve have a much different Military shooter if brother hood of arms actually came out (I hope so anyway)

[@kemasuk]

Is that the same Paul H. Soares Jr. as has Minecraft fame?

[@ScratchedDVDhelp]

tf"2" may have been lost but im still losing it

[@Clazzette]

Never in my entire life would I know the hope of TF2:BoA to be atleast unearthed for the public to see.

[@Diminisherrr]

He is infact Tyler McVicker the passionate gamer.

[@pennydime4562]

I hope its found

[@evinghostwrite7265]

0:06 AMONG US

[@RaygunRevive]

I know people say this all the time, but just imagine how much stuff has been lost to time/corruption

[@sanitylost4271]

If valve released BoA version of TF2, it would be as popular as Day of Defeat.

[@deddoghost8935]

Why was there no letting of steam? :(