TF2: More Thoughts on FACEIT

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[@heliotrope6041]

I met Uncle Dane in a FACEIT ""Casual"" match, and he literally had to make a smurf account just to alias.

[@stormberry9966]

Same here. Someone asked if he was real, and he sounded so depressed explaining that you can't alias.

[@ToastyMann]

holy *fucking SHIT IS THAT UNCLE DANE*

[@D0NU75]

No Luke, I am your Uncle

[@GrumpyIan]

@@ToastyMann No this is Patrick

[@titanlord9267]

I met RinzTheDemo he left right after the round

[@MadMan1234]

when they said "This is the way the game is meant to be played" it felt right out of the mouth of a SoundSmith stereotypes video

[@myxolydian8778]

Sounds like one of the jokes he would make about a warpig

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Worst part is, it's entirely unironic. Painfully stereotypical tryhard viewpoint lacking the slightest pixel of self-awareness.

[@akashsinghrajput2943]

To add to it, how soundsmith despised both sides (friendlies vs tryhards) and stated the game is for both parties equally and depending on conditions should go either way on a per match basis.

[@_Shadows__]

too good to be true

[@markhirsch6301]

@@akashsinghrajput2943 I don't think he despises both sides, he just dislikes the extreme ends of the groups, at least that's what I got from the video he made

[@purplehaze2358]

A lot of TF2bers are slamming the “Fuck go back” button on Faceit so hard that they nearly broke the damn thing.

[@KittSpiken]

Should have thought about that before their eyes turned into dollar signs.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Put in reverse gear and backpedal like your skin depends on it, boys!

[@lutherchuah1342]

Which ones have so far? I haven't been following the faceit news very closely and Zesty here is the only one I've seen (but he was never on board with it in the first place)

[@twicethegalo]

@@lutherchuah1342 I wonder the same thing rn ^^'

[@LordVader1094]

It's almost like they shouldn't have shilled it so hard just for some shiny coin

[@lepatrick4596]

"a new era to TF2" just transformed into "another misstep on tf2's history"

[@mrhat1073]

if anything, lets have it fade into obscurity. we already have the antithesis of a "gold standard" called Meet Your Match and we don't need another shit stain in the community.

[@darkuscarlet]

@@mrhat1073FaceIt into FadeIt

[@tev5040]

Creators.tf 2

[@DesolateLavender]

Why can't people just host secure, well known, servers? How hard is that?

[@lepatrick4596]

@@DesolateLavender hard enough apparently. But it is hard

[@ordinary_magician]

The whole “FREE ITEMS FOR PLAYING” thing is what prevented me from playing. I don’t trust that at all. I remember being told multiple times, “If you aren’t paying for the product, you are the product”.

[@otmorozok1994]

That's pretty much a promo move, everyone loves free crap, and they know it. btw i appreciate your pfp.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

Its a lie, you will NEVER get a hat from faceit because it takes an inhuman amount of grinding, you get 500 points for healing 800 THOUSAND health, the cheapest hat on faceit store? 11k points. Oh and you have to pay for premium to do a contract that gives you an actual good amount of faceit points, but at that point you couldve just bought the hat.

[@pyromanic8]

Thats exactly what I thought when I saw that for myself. I wanted someone to explain to me how they got the money for all of those items. Well, now I know.

[@helix2331]

i asked everyone what the catch was. items like that always have a catch. people never told me what it was. if i don't know the contract, i am not going to sign

[@sn0ipe333]

You have to get premium to earn faceit points. Faceit did everything in their power to spin the truth so they’re only half-lying.

[@parksbrit7548]

The way TF2 was meant to be played: "Just enjoy the time you spend with the video game lol."

[@Snailing_Suika]

tf2 was meant to be played without shitty spinbots. so they are correct

[@D0NU75]

@@Snailing_Suika except they are not because aimboters, spinboters and triggerboters have intruded their servers

[@leandrogoslean889]

@@D0NU75 do you have a video where I can see that happening? From someone who isn't cheating of course, I don't want to give them views

[@flamingscar5263]

@@D0NU75 proof? I've played ALOT of faceit and yet to vs blatant cheaters

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

But if people want to play comp?

[@thesovietgamer5798]

Can we appreciate his artistic skill on the envelopes tho?

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Had to rewind the video like 20 times because I got distracted by the envelope art and missed what he was saying. I'm such a goldfish 😂

[@rajtac-tts7015]

art worth millions

[@corvanj8766]

Truly an artistic masterpiece

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

I'm appreciating the the Red Haired art. Like, damn girl. You could knock me unconscious with those things.

[@TheMikirog]

Lungs on a stick was a funny one.

[@ShakerSilver]

The major problem is that "casual" means something different in modern game parlance vs what casual means in TF2 and older online shooters. Where just playing casually meant you joined a server if a spot was open, no fuss about ranks, points, leaving mid-match, meta, etc... now Casual is used for naming the Weenie Hut Jr companion to the "Pro" ranked modes, more of a training ground where it's not as serious, but is still designed to have a ladder and progression to get players invested and give them a taste of Competitive. Personally I prefer games where playing the objective is the focus, but I preferred the more natural method Valve initially started with by designing each class to be more rewarding to play if you fulfilled their roles in competing for the objective. It meant that even in the most disorganized teams, unless the player was just throwing and going friendly, if they were trying to play their class well then they likely would be contributing to the match and by proxy their team. The more "structured" way of doing it with ranking systems is rather inorganic in comparison and is more of a "meta" way to incentivize player performance with external rewards rather than through enjoyment of the system itself pushing the player forward.

[@mrdeadflower]

For dummies like me Jimmy gibs Jr is casual while comp is basically saying thanks mom giving yourself a name and drive back home 30 seconds after you are born

[@Tyranitar.]

yeah, also may i just say, you can't play seriously because 5/10 times you'll get stomped, and you can't play friendly because you get people who take things way too seriously, try to kick friendlies on their team, focus friendlies on the enemy team, and just don't respect other human opinions. (i.e "I enjoy friendlies myself but i get why they're bad")

[@ReshyShira]

I mean it's basically pugs isn't it?

[@camoking3609]

I really like this description

[@zap3231]

TF2 doesn't have to adhere to what other games do and it never had to.

[@dmitrikulkevicius9161]

You cannot T pose on faceit servers, since weapons dropped disappear.

[@gibbous_silver]

oof

[@hmmmstvethebaffled7720]

Time to uninstall

[@johnnystankiewicz295]

Fuck faceit. Im never installing that crap.

[@izzonac6381]

Main reason i uninstalled

[@dmitrikulkevicius9161]

All in all faceit is good it's an alternative to getting a good game without random crits and cheators.

[@ibeatmywifeandkids9084]

God damn I hate how I know where the oh shit I’m sorry is from

[@PinkFloydBootlegs]

Same

[@blataybragg7778]

There's nothing to be ashamed about :)

[@qee4617]

Sorry for what?, our daddies told us not to be ashamed for our d¡((s (YT keeps deleting my reply the hell)

[@xilpes6254]

Sorry for hwhat, Bobby?

[@sibottle]

Doesn't we all know?

[@demetriousriley4869]

"Hey guys you get actual casual if you go premium"

[@spob4049]

Yeah no I dont want to pay to play a f2p game

[@PinkFloydBootlegs]

Reminder that Faceit is claiming to own the data you create while you have its anti-cheat installed.

[@D0NU75]

Tip of the Day:Their AC is only effective if the cheaters install it themselves, and faceit actually expect them to do it

[@Ozionian]

@@D0NU75 do keep in mind that if you're tagged via reports or otherwise, you can't use their servers until you use the ac.

[@TieflingInAJar]

Please link to proof, as this is likely a rumor/stretched truth.

[@D0NU75]

@@TieflingInAJar did you read the terms of service?

[@vivelespatat2670]

Bold of you to assume that low end computers can run their AC.

[@NotSoProfessionalGuy]

The reason why I think FACEIT decided to make this whole thing is because of how desperate people are hoping to god that TF2 will live. I'm sure they know that this is the perfect time to get into the TF2 scene since there is little to no competition at the moment. And since TF2 is in such a terrible state, its a perfect opportunity to put in this project. Now that the whole project is here people are happy about the fact that its something that looks promising and that it'll save TF2, especially with big names like Big Joey, B4nny, Solar Light, and Uncle Dane, how could it possibly be bad? Thats the problem though. From what I've seen it seems to be extremely manipulative from what FACEIT has been doing the past week, especially with them, and the ones associated with FACEIT, changing the narrative from "this is the new casual" to "its a new experience". But hey I'm just one guy though.

[@D0NU75]

just as you i am just a guy. never liked the whole comp/tryhard culture and seeing them baiting normal, casual players into it like we didn't know any better (which is pretty much their attitude towards casuals ie B4nny) only makes me hate that environment even more, they ruined Quickplay for everyone and still do not use the goddamn thing they were pushing for.

[@yakovmarker4564]

I don't think Uncle Dane was sponsored. He made no video about it, and his tweets were pretty neutral. He liked faceit, but understood that it is competitive, and not everyone will like it.

[@DesolateLavender]

I'd say you're completely fucking right.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

Why do people even trust youtubers?

[@DesolateLavender]

@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon Because some are trustworthy. Not all of them though. Just like real people. Woah, it's almost like YTers are people too.

[@demodee9270]

My Thoughts on Faceit: The Squeakquel

[@seronymus]

My Thoughts on FaceIt: Electric Bugalu

[@newpersonaplayer9941]

@@seronymus hey that's my line

[@vivelespatat2670]

Can't even run Faceit because my computer just *refuse* despite having 0 problems with normal TF2.

[@sirgideonofnirtheall-knowi1881]

"This is how the game is meant to played" _Who are you to decide such things?_

[@DinnerForkTongue]

A Soundsmith stereotype kind of tryhard.

[@MLGProMaster-tu9tz]

@@DinnerForkTongue Warpigs

[@countpythagoras]

Who is zesty to decide the definition of casual?

[@MLGProMaster-tu9tz]

@@countpythagoras Ikr

[@JagEterCoola]

Who are you, so wise in the ways of science?

[@ianteare-thomas8604]

Honestly, I was completely fooled by the tf2ber/streamer hype train until you pointed out the bullshit. Thanks for speaking your mind, a lot of us needed to hear it

[@sargentbaco9182]

Is it wrong to have been excited about this? I was hyped too. It’s fine to be hyped and then take a more critical view.

[@bet3240]

For me the red flag was big joey, his opinions all around tend to be in the same level as the 50/50 rule from soundsmith where they pick the worst opinion because they are not gonna play this way so whatever i just need to get this video done for views

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@bet3240 Wait what?

[@bet3240]

@@DinnerForkTongue big joey has no content so he makes poorly opinionated videos to fill his schedule, most of his channel rn is basically the soundsmith friendlies video but unlike soundsmith he keeps going with it Example: his weapon conepts videos, his random crits video, the face it video and more

[@ianteare-thomas8604]

@@sargentbaco9182 it's not wrong to have been hyped. Im just thankful zesty spoke up because I had been too hyped to realize I was having a terrible time playing faceit.

[@Toofty]

To comment on a few of your points: 1) I think Faceit were genuinely trying to make a casual alternative but just failed. This is why they are remarking the experience. They under estimated how difficult it would be to recreate that exact feel of casual TF2. 2) I can only speak for myself but as someone who received a gift from Faceit, I had no idea I was going to receive anything until after I had been involved for a long time and until after I made a video about it. (And none of the perks I received would be anywhere near enough to buy my time but again that's just speaking for me, I'm an old boomer with a job.) 3) I think the other content creators are just excited to have something new come to TF2. Being involved early certainly makes them a little biased but there is nothing sinister going on from what I can tell. It's just clever gorilla marketing to get content creators feedback early and to get them excited. Plus I think it also makes the end experience better. It may have been even less like casual without their input! :) 4) Faceit is absolutely just a business and profit is always going to be their priority but the team working on this do seem to care and want to make this work. The better the experience is for the players, the better it is for them as a business! Btw I've only played 2 matches on Faceit as I've been so busy recently so I can only speak about my experience leading up to its launch D: Anyway, take care dude! Just though I'd share some thoughts :)

[@BreacherYT]

Doesn't matter mate he is just making these to gain view we all know that toofty it is a berath of fresh air he is just critical as always people in tf2 community are :) Btw love u for your demo tips

[@theperson_12]

@@BreacherYT my dude, its zesty's opinions.

[@WooHooLadttv]

I had the same feelings, felt too cold, felt too corporate, felt too forced, felt too wrong. No love, just business.

[@sunbae-nim]

And those feelings were well founded

[@forkliftposter]

He got so much shit for it, but I’m the end, zesty was always right.

[@chilX3467]

Wait, faceit anti cheat looks into your reports you've gotten on steam? You already know bots in causal are gonna spam report on every player they come across.

[@Elf_Pyro]

I don't think thats something they can do right? As far as I know thats something that's not available to the public

[@cadsquade]

@@Elf_Pyro someone will do it then, there's always someone who'll do it

[@3triangleangle]

Delete your comment before some bot creator do that

[@jveerf8573]

Delete your coment

[@NikoFromOneShot]

It's already happening

[@TKsh1]

TF2 is one of those games that the community just breaks as much as they maintain it.

[@D0NU75]

a literal anomaly, a game with no developers, a game that stands out of sheer love and desperation from it's playerbase, but a playerbase so starved of hope and hurt by the time that generates trust issues while also clinging to every bit of promise anyone makes them. it is just matter of time until this community breaks down for good and god knows what will happen then.

[@Kikker861]

@@D0NU75 The community has been around for too long in my opinion. The individuals are eating each other to stay alive and the platform is shrinking with each passing week.

[@bruschetta7711]

@@D0NU75 if only Valve cared about the game as much ss bots hoster cared about destroying it More updates and getting rid of bots would already be enough to have tf2 at the standard of all the rest of valve games

[@AnxiousPsyche1003]

Game is fun, as long as a game is fun, it will never die

[@Toons595]

@@Kikker861 Lmfao have you seen he playercount?

[@ceno0]

I actyally myself was tricked it-to thinking that his is "casual" mode Yeah, i would like it to actually be casual, but stuff they made it's not that bad. It is more similar to stuff you see on some specific community servers, where people doesn't necessary trying hard all the time and they have some kind of team coordination and maybe they care about it a bit more overall. You also still can get away with doing weird strategies, like fat souting They also stated thay want to make "quickplay" version of matchmaking, that copies "rules" from tf2's quickplay They also did send us some merch (t-shits, bags, shorts and watter bottles) and they gave us year of premium sub. But we never told we gonna get these so it's just a gratituge i guess

[@donavanzook6496]

Well, if they do introduce an actual Casual mode, I think that would be enough to consider Faceit alright. For now, meh.

[@f1ux889]

It can be a weird mix between casual experience (like silly strategies) in a competitive setting (except for the amount of players). They should be clear in the start wich is their main issue with the public. FaceIt and their services are just an option to play, but not the solution TF2 need.

[@Thomas-vn6cr]

I appreciate your transparency, big C.

[@milka_butterfly]

I did like the servers but i can't play because i use windows 7

[@FrappuccinoAlfredo]

I love t-shits

[@beelhybees2109]

As someone that always wanted a full set of strange dressed to kill skins this video in the background brings me a lot of pain. Edit: Wow, this comment blew up.. Thanks! its glad to see that i'm not the only one that feel this pain too!

[@D0NU75]

this is your captcha; if you can still feel something consider yourself a human.

[@FantasmaNaranja]

as someone who tried trade ups before i understand the pain of getting a pistol

[@shin_taps]

What’s your steam? I’ll give you a few unusuals and strange ks

[@functionxd]

@@shin_taps rich man

[@fleefie]

@@FantasmaNaranja Hey that pistol is 60 keys on bp.tf :p

[@RoboJM]

This feels super similar to how valorant was dropped. Nobody twitch streamers get killer views because there are valorant drops on, anti-cheat that was really suspicious of sending user data to a third party and big names slowly pulling away from the game they so largely praised two weeks ago

[@markhirsch6301]

Wait valorant was released?

[@wiitabix320]

valorant is still pretty alive though

[@ShitandFart]

Mark Hirsch bro are you living under a rock?

[@markhirsch6301]

@@ShitandFart I usually don't pay attention to PVP multiplayer games at all other than TF2 anymore. So yes I am under a rock when it comes to these types of games

[@Small_child_punter]

Your harsh, rip-it-off-quick opinions are so valuable. You keep it real. I really hope you don’t let people who don’t appreciate them bully you into no longer being so critical.

[@bardofvoid174]

Even though I don't quite have the same opinion on everything on this whole situation, I personally do completely agree on this.

[@dmen7280]

I might not agree with everything he says on his channel but, I love that he has an opinion about everything

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I don't think he will ever stop being based, to our fortune.

[@D0NU75]

yeah, there was a lot of pushback from shills before today, sensitive people who gets triggered as soon as you point out faceit casual is too competitive, mocking you telling you that "maybe you consider casual playing dumb for an hour without as much as trying to capture once"

[@hawkotf3524]

Zesty blames competitive players for meet your match and it’s failures, which is far from correct. Not all his opinions are valuable. He’s also really peddling this shit that the anti-cheat is doing suspicious things on your computer .... and he’s trying to theorycraft that faceit is buying up influencers when all the influencers have said they are not being paid. His proof? “Faceit sent some shirts and bags to influencers” He’s ALSO projecting that faceit doesn’t care about TF2. He’s full of shit.

[@Menoly]

The big thing that turns me off from faceit is their anti cheat, though not like I'd play it. (Or can cuz my hard drives fucked hehe) I wouldn't mind an option of play that was meant to be more "serious". And I like trying my ass off in games but God Damn I don't need a system to tell me I suck and have it tacked onto a public profile whenever I decide to goof off a little bit or even decide to not play my main(s), having that type of system turns me off from a game.

[@joedoe920]

You don't need the anti chear to play, but sure.

[@Menoly]

@@joedoe920 If I get flagged I am forced to, or else I can't play, so id rather not waste my time on the service or support a service like that if I can help it.

[@kaiji4788]

Well it's kind of the point of a "tryhard" tf2 experience, getting called shit isn't a big problem, I hope they add an option to make it private doe. My only issue here personally is the anti cheat

[@RT-he6zf]

Oh yes the classic tf2 is infested with bots and cheaters, but i dont want to download an anticheat...

[@xurany427]

If you want non bot, RNG, or auto balance server that doesn’t force the players to play as serious and engaged as possible but still encourages teams to do teamwork and unique fun play styles on the objective instead of screwing around pretending it’s a death match server..... then yeah it doesn’t exist BUT the closest thing I know of that I’ve been playing for basically most of time on TF2 now Is uncletopia community servers.If you don’t know what it is it’s basically face it servers minus penalties, stopwatch(kind of a mixed bag for me) or rankings making it ironically more of a casual experience than face it servers are. And unlike other vanilla servers they’re actually regularly filled so if you want a more “serious” tf2 experience I highly recommend it.

[@thatwolfdude018]

This aged perfectly because what you said absolutely happened. Face-It crashed and burned and no one is talking about it anymore. After a few months of you trashing Face-It, many KZbinrs like SpikeyMikey and TooftyTV came out and said they were paid to advertise Face-It and they would get rewards for it. But their actual opinion about Face-It was much similar to your opinion. And it’s Twitter account is just an account that posts TF2 memes. So it’s basically Zealot but if it was a Twitter account. Honest to god I absolutely love your content and how you present your opinions. You are brutally honest and you have facts to back up what you say. You have to be brutally honest with something like this in order to get it fixed but Face-It only cared about making money. They picked TF2 because it’s a dying game and they know it’s community wanted something to make the game better. You saw this before many other people did

[@mistaht5777]

Yo this is some clean as hell trade ups! ...wait, this is a faceit video? I was too entranced by the tradeups

[@icicle_ai]

Check out his high roller tradeup video

[@mistaht5777]

@@icicle_ai I did it was awesome

[@zipp4910]

What even is trading up? It seems like you are wasting a whole bunch if skins to get a slighty better one at first glance

[@mistaht5777]

@@zipp4910 it’s confirmed better graded weapons/skins/cosmetics. From blue to purple to pink to red

[@wubilicious4158]

what the fuck

[@undertrace]

so are we not gonna talk about how similar this is to cyberpunk's bombshell? >unnecessary hype and buildup >mediocre gameplay >lots of complaints the only difference is that not many big 'tubers aren't complaining about it as much. hmmm

[@peterpallas1804]

With the internet as it is now, anything that's hyped up will NEVER reach the peak that a majority (or at least more than half) of people thought it would. Also, because we live in a shitty capitalist society where it doesn't matter how shit your product is on release (Cyberpunk being delayed for good reasons, then forced to release in a broken state) as long as you make profit. I also see Apex Legends as a reverse of this idea. No hype, no buildup. A slient release, that cranked out a kickass game.

[@the_numb_skull]

Probably because it’s a subjective thing and a LOT of people actually like it... zesty isn’t the only person who doesn’t like it but from the talk surrounding it he is in a minority. Not that that invalidates his points but it’s entirely a subjective thing.

[@morrow6992]

I really dont have much of a Problem when it comes to faceit, i Just wish that 1:They have Dedicated Asian Servers so people like me, who live in asia can play without having to deal with 250 ping 2:The Fact that 2fort isnt on the map selections

[@undererlevelmob7605]

its actually funny cause i got peruvian servers after like 4 years of playing with 100-200 ping and 15fps

[@minifigamer9898]

They HAD 2fort, but they completely missed the point by adding a timer rather than understanding that people play ctf to do things other than go for the objective 24/7

[@solforecast2101]

I mean, just look at how serious they are lol. Also imagine serious 2fort

[@leonardo9259]

@@solforecast2101 it's 2008 all over again

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@solforecast2101 You mean "me and the boys storming the enemy lines"? My normal? I'm mot there to cap, I'm just literally bashing myself into enemies.

[@OfficialMisterBoo]

Everyone: **talking about FACEIT** Me: **still playing TF2 Classic**

[@evdestroy5304]

Rad

[@izzonac6381]

Exactly

[@UnmatchedSol]

BACKFIELD SHENANIGANS

[@Pikasatupu75]

TF2 Classic is beautiful

[@LucasRockOut]

Also, WAMO is the worst TFtuber that ever exist.. he is the reason why EVERYONE was hype for this thing after he make 16318762318 videos about "someting big is comming to TF2"

[@SirErnestBob]

So glad to hear someone say that. He starts drama in half this videos and the other half is half-assed click bait that had no substance. One of his videos he claims to hate drama and stuff like that. Like dude, look at your videos!

[@sparky00777]

Yeah, totally. His videos are so low effort, it's actually. He manages to stretch the amount on information contained in a single Tweet into a 10 minute vid. Honestly don't know why people watch him.

[@bigmoney3402]

He is the MrBossFTW of tf2

[@D0NU75]

that'd be b4nny, he is always talking shit about casual players and never misses a chance to try and convert tf2 into his vision of perfection, just 4 classes inside a small ass map.

[@leonardo9259]

@@D0NU75 u don't understand it bro, b4nny said scouts the best class ever bro nothing beats a good scout bro come join the 1000th cp_process match bro no wait don't build a sentry pls aaAAAAA

[@idotspy1458]

to get the points to buy stuff, some times, you have to get premium, well shat, its not so free now is it.

[@TamamoF0X]

Havent seen how many points you earn per match on average but I'm guessing itll still take months of grinding just to get enough points for that Australium Blutsauger worth like £15 let alone anything with actual marketplace value. It's like those crappy "do surveys for gift cards" websites, if you're playing FACEIT for the loot, you're wasting your time.

[@idotspy1458]

@@TamamoF0X definitly not much, the easiet way to gain pints is just gambling by doprs, drops in itself is still really flawed thoguh

[@sirloin7667]

its exactly what it is, you get literally like 3 dollars in points if you complete all the missions. its scummy and clearly just a shill for money

[@Haetheii]

@@sirloin7667 the fact that they give you any points at all for free is great, they need money to support their service and people wouldnt care about premium that much if it didnt have things to draw people in

[@baglespelledwrong8159]

yeah you could just get a job and get all the aussys in a few weeks

[@SlurSlander]

damn, Zesty... you lookin kinda... different 😳

[@alanavalos6645]

Sir you forgot to take your pills here they are sir 💊

[@stop8576]

Ikr? He's speaking while sleeping and got some huge bonkers

[@kR-qj7rw]

his true form

[@tourettestreeproductions3657]

Yeah I don't remeber Zesti being a sleep talking bodonhonkero haver

[@SlurSlander]

@@alanavalos6645 thx mate

[@syouji185]

I really love Faceit but my only problem is it still considers you afk if you're still loading in the server causing me to go on a cool down that I can't control.

[@tomix7866]

Yeah I got banned for like an hour beacuse of that.

[@maksscratch]

Same

[@leandrogoslean889]

Yeah, they should add a vote to start the match and leave a bot in it's place until the player joins, that way people that just want to play won't have to re-queue and gives more time to the ones still joining.

[@Ben-uf8eg]

your saying you cant connect to a server in 3 mins?????/

[@syouji185]

@@Ben-uf8eg Apparently not.

[@pavlevrabac1289]

"Zesty should have seriously considered talking to me before releasing that meltdown of a video he just released" I already see how it would have gone "So, we pay you to say nice things about FaceIt, ok?"

[@arandumendez9557]

who said that?

[@HuneeBruh]

Who said that?

[@yoboi691]

Like I said, it maybe a predatory company taking advantage of the desperate TF2 community

[@D0NU75]

makes you wonder why blizzard hasn't gotten to us yet, that was the main reason for Overwatch aka safe FPS woke simulator.

[@yoboi691]

@@D0NU75 its because while Valve is trying to become more of a Hard/software developer that they're abandoning their older game projects, while being too stingy to let any other company make money off of that trademark

[@D0NU75]

@@yoboi691 idk how the index is doing these days, it's just a gimmick in my eyes, it may be cool but hardly less of a gimmick than the wii mote, the kinect or the DDR pad were. i wish valve realized that tf2 already outlived all their hardware attempts to date, they aren't innovating and they aren't developing either so only god knows what the fuck are they doing besides updating CSGO and Dota

[@kaiji4788]

Depend on what you mean by "predatory"

[@yoboi691]

@@D0NU75 Fatlard Gabon said the company is pioneering VR technology and games, meaning there is a fatter cash cow to be caught than updating TF2.

[@Justin-oc6uu]

You shouldn’t have to put a “don’t let my opinion discourage you” disclaimer at the beginning of your video but certain community figures on Twitter (not gonna name names) immediately attacked you for having an opinion. I’m not sure why it’s a big manhunt to track down and berate the people who don’t enjoy faceit’s tf2 experience.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Shills experiencing cognitive dissonance, not liking it and taking advantage of mob mentality.

[@daddysempaichan]

tbf, these people exist everywhere in every community. Like how when Cyberpunk 2077 was coming out, people would attack anyone who voiced concern or criticism and just branded them "contrarians" or "haters" just because you don't fall in line with what they think. It's better to not give them the time of day and just ignore them, unless they start spewing incorrect facts about you, but even then never address them directly.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@daddysempaichan Based life is best life.

[@elfasto2255]

@@DinnerForkTongue Did you mean Biased?

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@elfasto2255 I didn't misspell.

[@awesome19ssbb]

"the way tf2 is meant to be play" so like an unfun overwatch session

[@burhhurb3891]

True lol

[@BatFan_Attic]

Normal overwatch session* overwatch is never fun you fool

[@awesome19ssbb]

@@burhhurb3891 that why i quit overwatch it became a chore to play and start becoming more competitive then a 50/50 experience

[@awesome19ssbb]

@@BatFan_Attic it was then they fuck up quickplay

[@burhhurb3891]

Yeah I’m still playing ow but I only play custom games every time i play comp people take that shit to seriously

[@wherfus]

Zesty you are the voice of the common man. That's not something anyone else has. Keep doing what you're doing. Faceit isn't fun for casual players and it seems like you're the only one with the platform and the balls to speak on it.

[@thetruegavinator]

This, this is why I believe in doppelgangers. Because these are my thoughts exactly

[@D0NU75]

No comparison intended but i remember when Zeno used to have common sense and spoke the truth, he then ramped up the cynicism and the insults towards anyone who as little as hello to him, he played a little jungle inferno and then went back to embracing his edgy persona, idk what he is up to nowadays but i'm glad at least i can follow Zesty instead.

[@mrhat1073]

I think it's because the majority of content creators base a lot of their experience off of competitive with little thought about the average casual player. I'm so tired of the "you don't know what you want" mentality

[@wherfus]

@@MysticLiquid9683 Your opinion is 100% valid fam. If you have fun with it, by all means support Faceit.

[@dominikcz198]

This video aged pretty well, since faceit was just trying to make money and obtain user's data. People were absolutely hyped before it was released, but after some time, it died.

[@MagicRose03]

I like the space in the video dedicated to big booba

[@demetriousriley4869]

Perhaps face it sees casual as csgo normal queue, I mean it is one of their main games. Maybe they were surprised when their new asset had players that wanted to crouch in a corner and taunt for three hours. But ultimately they are a company, they probably just were just like PISS WHY ARE THEY COMPLAINING... Oh, just say it's semi comp.

[@WhimsicottFanatic]

I think what's really funny to me is no doubt most of the FaceIt shills were part of the Free Melee crowd when that controversy was a thing Interesting how quickly some people can go from "CORPORATIONS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND! FUCK THEM!" to "I love corporation, they only have our best interests at heart :]" sometimes

[@sweetypuss]

depends on how quickly they're given money.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

I believe it’s time for me to draw your avatar.

[@greg_hammelson]

no

[@dr.cherrydonutman7193]

A new target eh jack?

[@chaoz7370]

Oh lord help us

[@dio8451]

It's a shame it's taken this long.

[@anonymoose_3450]

Nice

[@suss1485]

Ngl I love the big booba zesty in the corner

[@minisuman4011]

epic animr waifu

[@erikjohansson4275]

Mann of Culture

[@ddorgo]

Same here

[@TamamoF0X]

I was more focused on the horrendous drawing skills on the Mann Co. trade in postcard.

[@eyes5204]

horrendous?!

[@donovanjoseph737]

@@maple141 and better is questionable because after all those fancy weapons all he gets is a team colored tartan pistol with a strange clock. That is the epitome of not worth it lol

[@milka_butterfly]

"Horrendous"? I would call them masterpieces.

[@cadsquade]

VALVe maybe didn't care about the game, but they still cared about players privacy and that's respectable

[@bruschetta7711]

They work with companies like FACEIT, i don't think they "care" i think they don't give a fuk

[@cadsquade]

@@bruschetta7711 examples ?

[@bruschetta7711]

@@cadsquade Valve in CSGO work with FACEIT

[@cadsquade]

@@bruschetta7711 if they were all in with Faceit they would've bought their anti cheat a long time ago, but guess why they don't ? because they don't want to invade their users privacy. they do support CSGO community events but that's all, if VALVe didn't care at all about users private data they would just be selling it by now, if money is all they're after why wouldn't they ? lots of companies do it anyway. but yeah sure they don't care at aaaallllllll

[@bruschetta7711]

@@cadsquade Valve doesn't sell data but it might still be sharing it with Third party companies they work with

[@hekticgrko7563]

i had a dream this morning where i went to the toilet and just kept pissing and pissing for what seemed like the rest of the entire dream, the toilet bowl started overflowing before i woke up. Oceans of piss am i right?

[@fireblast133]

I hope that dream didn’t entail what dreams about using the bathroom usually entail upon waking up

[@ryntf]

wtf, I just came back after an urine test and I see this comment

[@vilevioletvoid]

what the fuck

[@dankmemes8254]

Should have brought a jar

[@noodlecup244]

Watching the damage control was hilarious. Tons of tubers like solar and such were all over reddit talking about how you were lying and how you were misleading everyone, even throwing out the term "don't worship youtubers and form your own opinions". that's kinda funny, considering faceits marketing strat so far. Good job on the video Zesty. Keep speaking up against shit you think you need to speak up on.

[@mr.menjensen649]

This clown is misleading people. The elo system is disabled and ranks don’t matter because of that. Also you are legally obligated to disclose a sponsorship.

[@smolbrendan5978]

@@mr.menjensen649 ok shill, it's still spyware at the end of the day

[@mr.menjensen649]

@@smolbrendan5978 This guy has done jack all to prove it. All he does is listen to Twitter.

[@aurnknight2813]

Wow zesty is a vtuber now

[@armansagmanligil1144]

zesty cam is pog

[@PeacockLover127]

i agree

[@minisuman4011]

he be vibin

[@johnathangreene6195]

Just after I finished watching the other video, this comes up.

[@blockwearingman]

one of his greatest videos of his chanel

[@solarknight3942]

Well I was all excited for faceit's casual servers since I swear to god playing casual in tf2 is like ripping my nuts off and having to glue them back on myself using nothing but a toothbrush and 50 blades of grass. But now that I see that it can take a screenshot of my computer at literally any time, one where if they screenshot the discord servers I am in and crop the pictures a bit, *I can actually be sent to jail.* So uh. I'm not doing that.

[@yunabomber]

tallywhacker

[@potatoeyboi]

whacker of tallies

[@sirloin7667]

tallies of whacker

[@_rebelsoul_2226]

And the fact that the guy in the screen at the end says "he seriously considered talking to me" sounds a lot like he would have slipped something in his drink just to make Zetsy tell us the same things every one sponsoring Faceit is going for

[@ryanphillips4123]

Zesty, you're clearly right about this. I'm pretty sure you were the first one to publicly call them out. Thank you.

[@knucklejoe08]

I played on faceit for about a week. It was nice seeing less bots and cheaters, but they are still there. It definitely wasn't casual. It was... competitive lite, if you will. Every map is stopwatch mode, friendlies are mostly shunned, there's a big push to win the game and do it quickly. It's not for me, but for those that enjoy that kind of environment, go for it. Just... avoid downloading their client if you can. It gets messy trying to get rid of it once you want to.

[@megsisded8688]

revor unintaller: hello there

[@Pc_98_Fan]

FaceIt: the brand *new* toxic side of TF2 _coming soon in 2021_

[@theamericanboot2131]

The reason nobody has caught on to this is because so many people took faceit’s deal, whatever that is. I personally just play faceit when I want to be serious and then go to uncle Danes servers when I want to be silly

[@strawberrycrisis5592]

oh shit, a follow-up? you spoil us

[@twistedturnip8487]

Raid shadow legends TF2 edition

[@shoe630]

faceit using scrap for their things would probably explain why scrap hasn't had many unusuals lately

[@lightningwolf788]

Quite honestly seeing the positive vids about faceit, I noticed a lot of the things you brought up here and in the last video. A lot of things didn't sit right in my gut and you said them all out loud.

[@crabking3525]

I don't even want to try FACEIT in a virtual machine on a new account, that's how much I don't trust it.

[@TieflingInAJar]

Faceit isn't some random new company. They worked with Valve before on CSGO stuff, and there software has no prove data stealing/malware in it so far. This is such an overwhelmingly stupid comment

[@Nace369]

@@TieflingInAJar Wow, companies that worked with Valve are very trustworthy until they aren't, you really got him there buddy. Worked out really well for everyone who happily installed the ESEA client before the bitcoin mining scandal. Bet you would've been first in line to call someone cautious about that client a stupid idiot too, eh? After all, people are just big dum dums for being distrusting of software that collects data and monitors their system, especially when it comes with such a vague TOS.

[@lemons1559]

@@TieflingInAJar at the point where even"benevolent" governments do illegal medical experiments on their citisens no company or organisation is to be trusted.

[@lemons1559]

@@TieflingInAJar Chiquita, Nike and most other big companies are also trusted yet are in to much more shady human rights abuses and borderline war crimes.

[@scp_1012]

Personally, I tried FaceIt and it was pretty fun. I liked how there were no cheaters that would ruin the game, and more cooperation between people, but I also agree with it not being a total casual experience, as well as I also agree with the anti-cheat being suspicious. I hope they can improve on this in the future! Great vid btw!

[@SuperGamerNinja1]

gotta love that message at the end Zesty should have talked to me before making that video *so I could potentially bribe him with free hats and shit*

[@wt4629]

I might be bias but there’s a half decent chance that’s a Tyler McVicker message

[@SuperGamerNinja1]

@@wt4629 also a strong possibility In which case the latter part of the message would be *so I can use his name to sponge the tiniest amount of views I can because I am an irrelevant shit wad*

[@Reftize]

i know that message, it was from big joey. saw it on a /vg/ thread for tf2 uncensored. the most tyler did was ask zesty for his opinions of faceit over twitter so that he could forward it to their team.

[@carb1ne]

Thanks for making this video! I hate it when companies take advantage of people and you calling them out is great. Keep it up don’t let people discourage you. Someone’s gotta be the whistleblower.

[@deaglan6641]

There where some things they weren’t clear about. They said they might add some servers for “super casual players” and it sounded like their might be a way to not show your stats for some degree. Can someone elaborate?

[@leandrogoslean889]

In Tyler McV video where he supposedly talked with a Faceit person, they said the stats will stay if I'm not mistaken, and that's one of the big red flags that to me scream competitive and not casual.

[@countpythagoras]

What do the bloody stats matter? Jesus. You are all acting like you aren't aware thst FaceIt is a platfrom with multiple games. Yeah, it makes sense to change their software just so that a snowflakie fanbase doesn't see intimidating stats. This is bullshit. If you don't care about stats, do what is do...ingore them

[@2dollarchickenwings689]

@@leandrogoslean889 Why exactly? Casual already has a ranking system and no one is really bitching or tryhrding for it

[@bruschetta7711]

@@2dollarchickenwings689 Casual has no ranking system that'a just a medal that tells you how much you play against BOTs

[@2dollarchickenwings689]

@@bruschetta7711 It is a ranking system, technically

[@refundmybirth3554]

Zesty Jesus: *talking about faceit* Me: *admiring what zesty is drawing on the postcard*

[@aganaom1712]

this is such a better video from you than the last one you made on the topic. you made a real focused effort to keep yourself calm about this and i can't understate how much i appreciate it especially given how passionate you are about this kind of stuff there are still a couple things i disagree with you on about the format of matches but just about every point you've made has been more than valid (especially the security and software aspects of the platform) and that is more than deserving of respect i hope your position doesn't draw you too much grief from people. stay hype and i hope to see more weapon analysis from you in the future so long as it doesn't make you hate life too much.

[@spessman9070]

The blocked message at the end is from Big Joey, King clown of the faceit circus

[@evdestroy5304]

How do you know?

[@spessman9070]

@@evdestroy5304 KZbin auto-deletes any links posted, including ones replacing . with Dot, etc. I cannot provide you any proof. Trust me or don't, idc

[@evdestroy5304]

@@spessman9070 so just put a space where the dot would be...

[@spessman9070]

@@evdestroy5304 Go on and try to post a link to another website, use as many ways to change it as you want, youtube will delete it because bots would spam links otherwise.

[@scads2155]

Kind of surprised it wasn't Solar he was really vocal and active in there for the short time I was in.

[@Hibonos]

Oh boy time to wait for wamo to make 7 videos about how faceit doesnt suck and why you should watch his same fucking video 7 more times

[@memazov6601]

Seems like majority of the community is gonna be pissed

[@averyapehandz]

I just want to play in a non competitive pub to improve. I can't improve when every other enemy player as 1000+ hours and I just want to have fun. I got duped, I just want to play casual without bots, random crits, random bullet spread. I got fucked and I want a real casual experience.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Use Uncle Dane's servers.

[@hurykles99]

Wow this sounds lile me when i want to casually play an arena fps where everyone has to play competitivly Heh

[@snoowbrigade]

The faceit experience: join game on upward on defense absolutely destroying the enemy team they don't even push the first point switched to offence during setup my whole team said "this isn't fun" I left The regular comp mode is less competitive than faceit

[@tickercruse3177]

TF2 had the entire Love & War update making it casual, funny, and hilarious, getting purposefully punished for losing the match because you wanted to have fun giving sandvich’s and dancing with a bird head isn’t They took the Love out of the War

[@animals113]

Just give your feedback people. They have already mentioned they might make some seperate more casual servers where you can join midmatch and leave without penalty and so on. If they make the changes people are requesting , good. If not give feedback and dont play. simple as that . I myself enjoy the current servers. But I want even super casual players to be happy.

[@Lawgamer411]

My thoughts on FACEIT: or Just FACEIT, there's some issues with FACEIT.

[@someonesomething1600]

Thank you for being the realist tf2 creator. I just came from swipez video and i felt like "this feels like shilling. Something is right"

[@Thomas-vn6cr]

And he was right all along.

[@shrub6]

i went friendly once they say tryhards are gonna yell at me they didnt

[@shrub6]

extra thing: i was interested into faceit tf2 because of the reward not the other shit expect no bots and script kittys

[@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439]

I mean I don't want to sound rude but there are community servers for that stuff, in the warm-up, you can be friendly there (don't worry I'm not a competitive player but this doesn't make sense for me when they complain about this)

[@shackell5504]

Got baited into FaceIt. After a while, got some feeling there’s som wrong. Thanks for clearing it

[@supanerd3603]

It does really suck that they hyped this up for it to be something completely different. however, I do find it to be almost on par with regular casual. I have had plenty of lobbies where my whole team just dicks around and just has goofy fun like it was a casual server with a funny timer in the top left. Lastly the rank punishment for losing isn't really a big deal, the prizes are so hilariously unachievable I have yet to come across anyone that was incentivized to win because of the prizes or rank.

[@JustHeal]

Can't wait the next video to start with a "Sorry for what?"

[@Rajacobs]

Im personally quite enjoying FaceIt! It’s nice having no bots, higher skill ceilings and people actively using voice-chat, but thats about where the positives end. I doubt that FaceIt will make many changes, so it’s basically Valve’s matchmaking all over again, where it’s in charge of the community to fix it! When people ask what class to play, or apologize for not doing well, I always let them know that the ultimate goal is to just have fun, and play what they enjoy. If I could get anyone else’s thoughts that’d be lovely.

[@truesoundwave]

2:00 no it absolutely is malware. These third party launchers requiring extra software always malware, key logging, or running mining ops. Their entire server operations help justify this and why they block shit like shadowplay(nvidia can detect it and throttle it), punish leaving so badly(break the calc). Their entire system looks like a mining op.

[@DL-SUFF]

mmmm strong voice over big booba women speaks about bad service i enjoy i like

[@hunterhaon4265]

The only true way to play tf2 is on 2fort

[@testoyt]

All I can say is that I feel like I was blinded by the hype. I'm uninstalling everything that relates to FACEIT tomorrow but man... Now I get why whenever I Alt + Tab from TF2, the game freezes for like 5 seconds ever since I got the client and I have a somewhat decent PC, so no justification besides it being FACEIT

[@ananon5771]

This video needed to be made Thank you,you're a hero

[@malakimphoros2164]

Zesty Jesus: The Defiant One

[@moneyhoarder123]

now that i know someone else shares my feelings i dont have to feel bad about not liking faceit. yes i am that fragile and easily swayed

[@juega331]

I hope that big joey pedals back on his opinion, i don't want his reputation to get muddy to backup face it

[@umbukuu]

I appreciate the mini shoutout thing ya did at 3:55. I pinned that comment in hopes more people will see it, and having it appear in your video has helped it reach out to more people than I was even going to expect. So thanks again for that. As a cheater myself I can see faceit being able to kill off *most* cheaters on their platform. But the way its being handled right now I don’t see that happening. I hope that changes though. Yes, a cheater is hoping that the game becomes better and not into this bot and cheater infested garbage. If you have any questions about cheats or would like to know anything let me know and I’ll be down to answer :)

[@alexanderchon9058]

Let's face it. FACEIT straight up fails of catering to a casual audience while straight up LYLING.

[@spicylemon7475]

“I never really was on your side.” -Faceit

[@skipmanghondarg]

"Whoo, look at all that MOney." -Faceit

[@Broman_]

I really appreciate your honesty on the matter, shady business practices aren’t good for users and the more people made aware of this the better

[@rexalley8397]

The banana heavy is a powerful image in and of itself but the name just amplifies that