TF2 vs TC2 Balance Changes: Pyro/Arsonist

TC2, the Roblox counterpart to TF2, makes many rebalances to many of the weapons in TF2. Some of them are good, some of them are bad, and some of them don't change much. So today I'm gonna be going over what weapons Pyro has in TC2 and talking about whether the changes were good or not.
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Another Episode (Melty Blood: Actress Again: Current Code)
Dangeresque Theme (Poker Night in the Inventory)
Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke (Touhou 8)
More Gun (Poker Night in the Inventory)
Samdaman's Dragons Fury Video- • The Dragons Fury Sucks...
Lawnchair Banki by Liky

[@samdaman2939]

Arsonist got some giant changes in the recent Summer Update, this was probably such a pain to make, but nice getting it done.

[@FillerName4]

Quick explanation for the Homewrecker's damage resistance piercing stat: This was meant to be a way for Arsonists to counter Wrangled sentries as being able to two-shot those annoying bastards made Arsonist a decently viable receiver of a Supercharge. However, after Rolve removed the Wrangler's shield, they either forgot to remove the damage resistance piercing from the Homewrecker or didn't bother.

[@LLamperouge]

fun fact the home wrecker can deal damage to Uber players and so can the block 19 tho in both cases it's pretty useless

[@sharknado2724]

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[@geekerandy8773]

@@LLamperougelooks like the stat is completely pointless (a change?), as I attempted to melee an Ubered Doctor and it did nothing.

[@Imirui]

2:46 The phlog charges with any damage. This makes it have really good synergy with the bullet stormer, due to it dealing over 100 damage per shot if you’re close. 7:00 The Fire Extinguisher also has the problem of your teammates being fucking blind and not running toward the arsonist when they’re on fire. 8:20 The Axtinguisher used to deal a ridiculous amount of damage. It used deal up to like 210 at max afterburn duration.

[@WestCoastState]

I think using the fire extinguisher with the phlog is useful, while yes you can't consistently extinguish teammates, it still gives you a way to be supportive. Although I don't know why you wouldn't take the escapist's escapade. Just a thought.

[@plague568]

Hey great video man! The flare gun part actually explains alot why most of my flare gun shots weren't hitting when using the flare gun, it's reliant on ping, which my ping isnt the greatest when recording.

[@breadboygamingwholegrain]

As a pyro main, my main complaint is HOW HARD THEY NERFED AIRBLASTING ENEMY PLAYERS AWAY. In tf2, a demoknight couldn't even get near me without being airblasted like 10 feet away from me. In tc2, a demoknight can just casually charge up to me, and even if I do airblast him he's only knocked back 6 inches at BEST. It used to be an incredibly reliable way to counter demoknight and a semi-reliable way to deal with scout Now it's a waste of ammo to even try. And then they had the audacity to add an achievement which REQUIRES me to airblast enemies away, and that's not even the worst part! The achievement is as follows: Airblast a scout under the effects of bloxy cola (this game's version of bonk) into a death pit or similar instakill hazard. First of all, WHO USES BONK!? NEVER ONCE HAVE I SEEN SOMEONE USE IT IN THIS GAME second of all, the situation in which a bonk scout would be near a deathpit or anything similar is incredibly niche. third of all, he'd have to practically already be falling off because AS IF I'D BE ABLE TO KNOCK SOMEONE OFF A LEDGE WITH AN AIRBLAST AS PITIFUL AS THIS.

[@4komawa]

they sorta changed airblast after this video which is why its not here but yeah this is a huge issue. airblast in tf2 is scaled based on momentum but in tc2 its a set knockback, and its so low you can barely do shit with it

[@4komawa]

It's important to note that recently airblast has been nerfed to have a smaller airblast hitbox and also very little knockback. I also made a glaring mistake with the Phlog in TC2, it actually charges with any damage source and not just fire damage. I don’t usually use the Phlog and for this video I mostly playing around with the flare guns, so it didn’t occur to me when writing the script. Really sorry about that. Additionally, the Detonator's explosion hitbox is way smaller, making it worse at AoE compared to TF2. TC2's visuals don't make that very clear...

[@yes_and_so_what]

honestly that was one of the most noticeable changes, don't know how you missed that

[@Elixermans]

Glad you decided to continue this series! i always loved it and glad to see it came back. keep on keeping on Meower!

[@Vak0]

arsonist is missing alot of weapons that pyro has. rolve should make an update dedicated to arsonist

[@maush.]

The only weapon i can think off that arsonist is missing is the third degree and new panic attack

[@Vak0]

@@maush. He is missing the neon annihilator the thermal thruster the manmelter and the scorch shit

[@maush.]

@@Vak0 thermal thruster would be awesome if it was added , most maps with water hzve the water as a killbox , the manmelter sucks ass and it would even more in tc2 with the fact that the flares are ping relevent , if the scorch shot was added it might actually make phlog viable but i doubt the devs would care enough about that

[@Vak0]

@@maush.they would probably buff the manmalter if it was added

[@MeOrgansAreABoilin]

Gas passer is awaiting for it's call

[@Mario_NoobMemer]

Actually, I think the tc2 phlog can charge with any damage, not just fire damage, unless Rolve changed it. I remember using the shotguns to charge the phlog.

[@goldey2353]

Yeah it charge with any damage over all

[@4komawa]

Nah, I made a mistake. It charges with any damage source.

[@user-rh8xi3cg9p]

Well that was quick. Keep up the work!

[@madeofgrease9220]

0:33 that’s actually pretty interesting cause that is the exact problem that pyro had on pre inferno update.

[@HouseLyrander]

Me, every time I'm reminded of the Axtinguisher's nerf in the "Tough Break" update: "Look at how they massacred my boy"

[@tigerlover2853]

I once saw a person called “Firefighter” who exclusively played Arsonist with the Firefighter’s hat and Fire Extinguisher.

[@lodimac9079]

As a homewrecker user i can say it come in handy way more frequently then people think with the ability of one shooting minisentry and protecting your own mechanics buildings when they get distracted on a fight or dead

[@mechanic-gaming314]

I waiting this, thank you for posting this

[@IknikBlackstoneVarrickStan]

As always great editing, scripting, and voiceover👍

[@Yurei008]

In tc2 when I use the fire extinguisher with the phlog because airblast on the phlog does nothing but destroys enemies projectiles but combine with the fire extinguisher it allows me to do both destroy enemies projectiles with primary and extinguish teammates with melee

[@Suta_Irene]

Personally for me, Pyro/Arsonist in TC2 is quite fun cuz I play in the same server as my country and I have a decent PC so the flare gun is super fun to use for me. Also, I rarely use the Escapist's Escapade cuz I find it boring to use... I rather use the Mending Mallet to heal and it seems more fun to chain melee hits with pyro and get hp back to continue that dumb strat again until I die.

[@thatssguy7859]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@FishInPan]

Tip: use fire extinguisher along side with phlog for maximum potential

[@QuixlyTheMan]

3:11 use the detonator safely behind walls use fire extinguisher for debuffs destroying projectiles destroys things like sticky spam it is inadvisable to wm1 without energy in tc2 as without afterburn,it will be a huge risk to just walk into the frontline and wm1 without energy tc2 phlog doesn't make any noise while taunting Just don't use the phlog until you have a lot of gamesense,it's a 50% chance that you'll even get a single kill with the phlog

[@jeerfulr]

tbh the mending mallet is the life saver if your enemy gamer is low

[@pituuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

OMG IM IN THE FIRST CLIP!!!!!11!1!! Amazing video btw, keep it up!!

[@Robert_SK10R]

I've been waiting for this

[@Faab.]

i dont understand why the lighting graphics on typical colors is so horrible

[@Threertx]

I ain’t gonna lie all the time I die to a pyro it’s after burn now

[@Internettraveler1st]

Bro where have been i missed you

[@IsYeaYesyup]

i love typical fortress 4

[@Joe_rogner]

i normaly dont have a ping problem but the flaregun still dosent work ?? the flare goas trough the enemy or hitting this thing is so hard becuse the hitbox is just so small . the flaregun used to be the same as the detonator . but they changed it fore some reason .

[@infedum619-ky4yp]

Dude he forgot the degreaser

[@thenoob3205]

wow the flare gun....

[@DePurpleGibus]

Nice vid

[@davesflower]

yipee finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ERRORNAME_h]

I'm honestly not a fan of the detonator changes (apart from the set damage value when jumping). The detonator in TF2 gives you burst mobility and a ranged damage dealer that rewards timing with group damage. The TC2 detonator still gives you burst mobility, but the explosion radius is too small to be useful at all. Apart from the blast jumping it's just a worse flare gun since it rewards combos with significantly less damage. It's a really weird stat change that kills one of the weapon's uses and instead opts for making it just a worse version of another weapon. The detonator in TC2 is still good I just don't like what was changed about it.

[@4komawa]

I wasn’t really sure whether the explosion radius was nerfed but now that you mention it, that’s probably the case.

[@Phil-lp9ue]

MOM, I'M ON KZbin NOW!

[@taysworld1928]

Cant wait for demoman

[@RadicalPipeGrenades]

good video 👍

[@1232A5]

Good video

[@cakrateuku9472]

Back Scracther = Improvised Innovater because medics hate you

[@4komawa]

The Improvised Innovator wasn't changed from TF2 to TC2 so I didn't include it in the list.

[@slayeruncharted587]

Despite me actually being really good at Arsonist I fucking hate the airblast radius on this damn class whenever i'm playing my actual 2 mains How the hell do you physically airblast something *behind* you

[@MeOrgansAreABoilin]

The air blast is also weak and sometimes delays knockback

[@ItsBurntToast]

Did you forget the degreaser??? or am I trippin

[@4komawa]

The only difference between TC2’s and TF2’s is a 9% difference in afterburn damage, it’s not a big enough change to warrant a section in this video.

[@ItsBurntToast]

@@4komawa oh alright thanks

[@aguynamedluis9266]

do heavy next

[@ahmedthekingofgames9608]

Do brute next

[@Robert_SK10R]

wait why is the max quality so low

[@4komawa]

KZbin takes a while to upload to HD.

[@phouvanhsupavanh613]

spy pls

[@esmg3]

who is this game for? is this like for mobile users to pass the time until they get a PC to get TF2??

[@slayeruncharted587]

The fact you can't play it on mobile tho lol

[@MeOrgansAreABoilin]

When tf2 can't fit in your pc or don't bother to install it, this game is just tf2 plug n play

[@deniscurda9595]

i wanna know ur pc specs

[@RomaliusFFoF]

pls bro you're driving me crazy, look up how to pronounce escapade

[@4komawa]

I’m sorry my incorrect English pronunciations has caused your mental state to deteriorate further.

[@RomaliusFFoF]

@@4komawa watch out, make my mental state deteriorate even more and i'll end up being a furry or something

[@pwf2k]

Don't really understand why you're saying "Roblox jank". All of the bugs you've mentioned is entirely Rolve's fault due to poor programming. But cool videos anyway.

[@4komawa]

It’s probably an oversight on my part but I don’t understand why they would make projectiles like baseballs and rockets work perfectly fine but not flares?

[@pwf2k]

@@4komawa it probably just uses different code than those two, for whatever reason whoever was programming it in decided for it to.

[@NormallyABot]

Tf2 obviusly wins because typical colors its a copy paste from tf2 but with Block

[@ikeybhatnagar9569]

💃 'promosm'