TF2 Weapons that I Hate Using

In a game with as many weapons to choose from as TF2, it's to be expected that not all of them will be good. But what about the ones that are technically good that I have personal bias against? Well, as I work on bigger and better stuff, that's what I want to rant about.
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[@StarflameCrimsonOfficial]

For those who don't know: The Dragon's Fury's projectiles are Off-Center. For whatever reason they're going towards your upper left area of the crosshair, and the best way to use it as of now is to use improved crosshairs, which has a custom crosshair built for it.

[@crusher4819]

hey there he is! the real crimsoncross!

[@pyro111100]

Oml this is why I felt it was a crap shoot if I hit anyone with it. Had no idea the thing didn't shoot from the center.

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[@IfritBoi]

What a legend!!!!!

[@wet0wl]

Noted. Odd though, I feel like I have better aim with the dragons fury than most weapons which is why I love it… maybe it’s just a simple projectile and I’m just bad, idk.

[@purplehaze2358]

The holiday punch is _very_ good. It completely stuns enemies, and yet its silly flair and being put on a class that’s poorly suited for melee means very few people actually get angry as a result.

[@AnthonyDaFox]

I Hope 682 eats you, Again.

[@slatetherabbit7973]

Being able to stuff Übers is a little stupid, but it doesn't make the weapon broken, considering how hard it is to actually get that Übered player to laugh.

[@Robloxgamepassreviewer]

You already commented get outta here broo

[@Robloxgamepassreviewer]

both famous comments are from this one guy

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

@@Robloxgamepassreviewer then cry

[@mchanz3584]

One the main reasons why I ( and many other people ) enjoy using the Beggar’s Bazooka is the barrage mechanic. The ability to just delete players in just 2 seconds is just unmatched in the ridiculous amount dopamine you get. My second reason why I enjoy the beggar’s because it literally allows you to rocket jump USING THE AIR MOLECULES with overload jumping. Finally in Soundsmith’s own words “How are you suppose to dodge rockets if even the soldier firing it doesn’t know where it’s gonna go?!” TL;DR: Sniff glue and go on a rampage with a kritz medic.

[@roiwelboren9302]

It gets my approve as a beggar main

[@johnvideogames4534]

The fucking taunt trick is my favorite thing to do in tf2 HANDS DOWN.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

@@johnvideogames4534 Yeah, I liked "The Human Tripwire" video)

[@johnvideogames4534]

@@Sasha-zw9ss One of my fav vids

[@tbone2416]

Delete in 2 seconds? (Air strike)

[@DipolarApathy]

Nothing is worse than using a crusader’s crossbow and missing a target that’s standing still. The fact they’re usually starring right at you when you flub almost always makes me rethink what I’m doing playing a decade old game

[@janus2773]

hey, that they're standing still means they're tryna make your job easier which means they know how hard it can be to hit moving targets which means they know what it feels like to use the crossbow, so they have probably whiffed shots on stationary targets before themselves.

[@Life-pq6lz]

@@janus2773 But experienced players have instinct to predict enemy and shoot just right. So that why meds miss a lot on standing still teammatea

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

This comment made me die laughing Just imagining a heavy or soldier's dead, disappointed eyes staring at me with a crossbow bolt in the wall next to them.

[@ImDaRealBoi]

@@janus2773 thank you bruv, you made me feel better as a medic main 😭

[@ChipDrewPog]

And the damn thing is also just overpowered to the point where it's just unfun, like all the skill that goes into playing medic is just flushed down the toilet in favor of playing support huntsman, like it's not OP in the sense of "RTD Soldier who just rolled Powerplay and just single-handedly causes the opponent to teamwipe with guaranteed crits and invincibility" because that has a dopamine rush to it. The crossbow is just "Oh cool I have an offbrand huntsman that instantly heals a teammate to full health if I hit them with it." It completely shreds Medic's medigun balance to the point it ruins the entire class, like why bother spending braincells to pick the best medigun for the situation if I can just have a quickfix in my primary slot? The crossbow feels like a crutch for bad medics who can't keep their team alive but are too in over their heads to switch to the quick-fix but done so poorly it's the only viable option for the slot.

[@leithaziz2716]

For people who first got their hands on the Dragon's Fury, I can relate in that starting out, it felt like a pain to use efficiently and missing all the time, but learning the timing and experiencing the dopamine of destroying Lv.3 sentries and healing Medics instantly is a feeling I can't get out of any other Pyro flamethrower. So good.

[@timtimzollabim5743]

*How to get good* ?

[@disgustingg]

lead your shots. don't consciously think about it too hard, it'll come with time spent using the weapon don't panic airblast ever. airblast only if you know for sure it will save your life or doom someone else unlearn combo instincts, it's not for that. engage from further away with a flare so you can do full damage shots right away peek corner sentries, it's unironically the best weapon for sentry peeking (no clip, no self-damage, piercing, high damage, fast firing) if the other team has a couple of scorch phlog pyros remember that the manmelter exists and complements the fury's airblast nerf nicely (and getting free 90 damage engage flares is nothing to sniff at, if you can aim it)

[@LyritZian]

Dragon's Fury -- and especially when paired with Scorch Shot -- does more damage, shoots faster, has more range, and hits more people than *_ANY_* Degreaser combo *_EVER_* did. I hate the Dragon's Fury not because it's bad (it isn't), but because it is more effective in almost every way than Degreaser + Axtinguiser, Flare Gun, or Reserve Shooter ever was, and those 3 combinations are all now terribly inconsistent (because of the new airblast) and pitifully weak compared to just holding left click with any other flamethrower. Just had to get that off my chest. No offense to you for using it effectively. I just want _true_ combo Pyro back...

[@pluggothesluggo5509]

@@timtimzollabim5743 switch to the sticky jumper grenade launcher demo and come back, surprising how well that works

[@warrior1590]

Don’t forget you can actually kinda combo with the dragons fury surprisingly, you just have to do it differently. A video called “how to fight every class and win with the dragons fury” told me that the scorch shot can let you set up easy combo hits from the scorch’s flames. (You can use any flare gun, the but the scorch just lets you do it the easy and still combo from it). Alternatively you can use the panic attack to squeeze it extra damage like the degreeser + panic attack for power classes. It also lets you have a tool to deal with enemies relatively okay if you mess up an airblast or two. You can still combo with dragons fury, but it isn’t the focus.

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

The Dragon's Fury being hard to aim isn't necessarily just a "need to get good" thing, the projectile is legit terribly designed. I can not for the life of me make out where that thing is in 3d space, in fact I'm pretty sure it's a flat image. Plus it basically flashbangs you whenever you shoot it.

[@MrOrgeston]

That's been my impression. I can't ever tell what the hell is happening when I use it. Big fiery spot in the middle of my screen. No idea where the max range is.

[@Great_Blue]

Honestly, this explains a lot about aiming problems. I do notice myself having to recalibrate my aim after every shot, which isn't a problem with rockets or pills. If they shrunk the projectile model to match the hitbox, I feel like a lot of the disjointedness would be fixed

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

@@Great_Blue I'd like for the inflated fire png to be replaced altogether with a proper 3d projectile. They could just color a rocket orange and call it a day honestly, maybe add some fire particles around it. A scaled up flare projectile could be cool too since then they are team colored.

[@efftee]

The flame hitbox is top left of the crosshair from some reason

[@jenniferdunstan5065]

@@efftee well that's confusing

[@kokorikopi]

The Dragon's Fury is intensely user-hostile, but mastering it feels just... so good.

[@cheesepop7175]

cant belive theres an entire freaking contract that needs someone to kill with the dragons fury like 100 times

[@bolmobelo]

​@@cheesepop7175 I'm doing it now.i am I'm intense pain.

[@oozyslatt2529]

It's definitely *not* worth it at all

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

​@@oozyslatt2529except to troll engies as pyro

[@randomplayer3467]

3:27 a wild blu A pose hoovy

[@purplehaze2358]

Maybe it’s just me, but everything the boston basher and three rune blade do can be achieved easier, safer, more consistently, from a greater range, and with no risk of hitting yourself by the wrap assassin. Edit: Wow, Celestial is just, the absolute pinnacle of being unable to accept when you’re wrong. Not even entertaining to read, it’s just sad.

[@celestialowl8865]

Good luck building uber or bleed jumping with the wrap assassin

[@fortnitesexman]

or literally any of the scatterguns really why deal damage over time when you can just kill them??

[@leithaziz2716]

I find it a great weapon to annoy enemies with if you don't feel like winning or just wanna flex by not missing.

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

@@celestialowl8865 most people literally don’t know that so it’s got no use outside of competitive and coordinated teams

[@celestialowl8865]

@@aynersolderingworks7009 the fact that most people aren't aware doesn't make the weapon weaker lol. Use it any time a medic is clicking on you and use the bleed jump whenever you want.

[@pikazilla6405]

Not exactly relevant but i adore the wrap assassin, I’ve seen people recommend using the BOSTON BASHER of all things with THE BABY FACE’S BLASTER as if i wanna get into someone’s melee hit box with the weapon that punishes the hell out of me for taking damage of any kind, the wrap assassin makes that gun actually fun which is a hell of an achievement

[@thewildruda6113]

Best Scout melee. A way I love playing Scout is with Baby Face-Mad Milk-Wrap Assassin; if you are low on speed charge and on hp, just toss mad milk and your bulb, and you get extra speed and health every second, and honestly I just love seeing my HP bar go up with Im doing nothing

[@TheBerryVids420]

Fun fact: using the wrap assassin with the baby face is a legitimate strategy to make the weapon fun to play with again.

[@SyRose901]

Best Scout melee for COMBAT. Can't get enough of Wrap Assassin now that it's not broken. Swapping between Atomizer and this is quite fun in casual.

[@Solid_Hank]

On miss: hit yourself, lose all your boost, and die

[@pastatheh7041]

@@TheBerryVids420 I mean, if you are me - you won't even need the bleed inflicting weapons. I run bfb milk candy cane, a load out that rewards you for literally killing

[@rustytusks765]

I feel the same way about the Kunai. Every time I see a Spy main get a 10-person chain stab using the Kunai, I just sit there and wonder how. I put on the Kunai, walk out of spawn, and just die because I have 70HP. I don't get how people are so skilled with it, and it annoys me too much to bother trying and leaves me thinking; "If I was using the Your Eternal Reward right now, I'd be doing so much better."

[@WungerPlays]

And people say the YER is bad, I switched over to Kunai because the same thing, then figure out that the YER has a shorter backstab ready animation, now I just hope that I’m in range and skip the animation

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

its almost as if the additional health u gain by backstabbing clumsy teammates is a huge crutch

[@heededshadow509]

Honestly love YER. Controversial loadout I like is YER with CaD and Letranger. It better helps me get behind enemy pushes, and wait for a key moment when the push is underway. Then I basically sweep the entire backline and slash my way to the front without any real notice

[@wisemysticaltree568]

​@@Sleepy_Cabbagelmao no

[@gedsin2]

​@@Sleepy_Cabbage Man it's almost as if the weapon neutralizes it's own downside if you can reliably get a backstab

[@vonskeedle5309]

Beggar's is basically just an "unga bunga" weapon for me. The mindset you have to embody is basically that of a imperial Japanese fighter pilot where you just yeet yourself at the enemy at extreme speeds and take as many of them with you as you can. Getting good with it is about doing this efficiently enough to not blow yourself up immediately, but still ultimately with the energy of a suicide mission.

[@roiwelboren9302]

Unga bunga 3 crits

[@EpicGamerScout]

For the beggars, IMO the downsides can be quite location dependent while the upsides are always insanely strong. Sure when you're grounded in a flat open area it's impossible to be consistent with your shots, but that's already the environment soldier should be trying to avoid. Find the right ledge to stand on or corner to camp... Suddenly you have a virtually unlimited stream of rockets flying down the chokepoint faster than you could with stock and with the option to do an insane suicidal burst of damage when the opening presents itself. For the downside of not being able to immediately fire, it really just comes down to game sense of where enemies are gonna be and preloading your rockets around corners. Sure you can always theoretically be caught out from some weird angle and have to wait a second to fire, but you can just as easily catch enemies out by firing 3 rockets at close range into their face in half a second, punishing them even harder. Bazooka isn't always *consistent*, and you have to accept the risk of a really bad life where all the shots aim as far away as possible; But think of how strong soldier already is in close/mid range enclosed spaces, and then functionally increase his reload speed(for streams of enemies) and burst potential(for group attacks), and you can imagine the bloodshed in extended fights, far beyond what any stock soldier could handle.

[@sup1602]

I would also like to point out it fucks up engi nests quite quickly. So quickly that the engi usually does not have time to repair his turret or other engi equipment.

[@elfascisto6549]

Beggar's bazooka has the highest mobility of any weapon in the entire game and the highest burst damage at the same time, in exchange for lesser range.

[@tfx9223]

Sticky jumper:

[@minimum850]

@@tfx9223 ah yes, damage

[@tfx9223]

@@minimum850 I only read the first sentence 🗿

[@elfascisto6549]

@@tfx9223 why reply to something you didn't even read

[@tfx9223]

@@elfascisto6549 welcome to the internet

[@virtual2288]

The Dragon's fury is a coinflip because missing with it is so punishing. But getting perfect killstreaks where you just rip and tear until there is no enemy in sight is satisfying af.

[@LAZERAK47V2]

Holiday Punch is one of the few weapons that can completely halt a default Uber. It's difficult to pull off, but nothing's more satisfying than stopping an enemy in their tracks by forcing them to laugh.

[@eclecticspaghetti]

The Dragon’s Fury is so worth practicing. I’ve had a professional killstreak one for about half a year now and it’s my baby and I love it. The crazy thing about it is that it takes Pyro’s losing matchups, Heavies and sentry guns, and *makes you win them.* You don’t even lose that much against Pyro’s other matchups either, you just have to be smarter with your airblast. If you can hit your shots, which, to be completely fair, is *really hard* to get used to, Pyro can straight up kill any class, anytime.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

Against heavies, you could just switch between a flamethrower and a shotgun (preferably the Panic Attack) while you get in their face and move around them, and against sentries, you can bait the rockets and airblast them back. In contrast, now Soldiers and Demos are able to outrocket/pìpe you, Pyros can airblast your fireballs back and even Medics can render your fireballs null.

[@outdoggod7233]

@@M4x_P0w3rTmw he realises the shotguns have limited clips instead of pulling from ammo reserves

[@therat5687]

no it cant, it makes you lose your only 2 good matchups as pyro aka demo and soldier to win those against heavies and scout to a certain extent

[@LyritZian]

@@M4x_P0w3r You do not understand how effective corner-peaking from a range with the Dragon's Fury is. It does way more damage way more safely compared to shotgunning a Heavy. In fact, you don't even need the corner -- you WILL kill faster just holding left click with that thing. It's broken.

[@outdoggod7233]

@@therat5687 dude you have a secondary, just shoot him with that

[@slatetherabbit7973]

3:18 I completely agree. I know the Basher is mEtA, but the Atomizer and Wrap Assassin have so much more ease of use, that I use them more often 5:02 The Beggars is the dictionary definition of stupid, and that's what makes it so fun. It's an embodiment of TF2's sillier side. And as someone who loves the Beggars down to my core, it's because it doesn't ask you to hit directs. You can only do splash damage and if done right you can do as good as stock.

[@sanctified5523]

To be fair, the Basher is mainly meta to help your Medics build Über faster

[@dehydrateddarkness3565]

Basher is meta if you play with the one medic with two and half braincells and not the nine billions of those pocketing heavy, skipping the fact that 1/10 medics don't know how über works

[@indigomer]

Beggar’s is excellent if you time a burst from where you expect or know enemies to be at. It exchanges the sudden on demand need for damage for planned burst damage of stupid numbers. The sudden need for damage can be covered by any shotgun if it’s really a problem, plus beggar’s jumping (including overloading, g2w, syncs) is hella fun and something I used to main in Jump Academy.

[@GewelReal]

it's a straight upgrade to default at cqc

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

@@dehydrateddarkness3565 On a twelve person team the medics are literally *never* unoccupied enough to make healing a scout using the Basher worth their time. (and if they are that means you have too many Medics) That time is better spent healing people who are *actually injured* or overhealing people. Plus, with crit heals, a lot of the time the scout isn't even the fastest person to heal to build uber because the bleed lasts so long.

[@soundrogue4472]

5:38 ambushes, when using it, it's great as a ambush tool, and to punish sentry nest, and turtling. This weapon can help with forcing enemies off the payload.

[@Friendly_Lad]

If I had to chose a weapon, it'd be the wrangler. Like I feel like whenever I pull it out 5 spies materialize behind me.

[@user-oz3oe6px8j]

Beggar bazooka + pogo/wall jump is possible and it made you fly way too far sometimes. Its a fun tool Also destroying whole team in choke point with 3 loaded shell is fun

[@tlamminh3133]

Not only that but the beggars overload could be converted into a bomb instead making you slightly more effective at bombing runs. Basically an overload jump then shoot 2 rockets at people and tap fire at the end to finish the job. The beggars is also fantastic against airblast happy pyros because what are they going to do? Reflect all your rockets?

[@strixmix3541]

Plus its basically a trolldier subclass if you combine overload jumping with market gardens

[@biomechnicalhuman4851]

Yeah, also it's surprisingly good at killing scouts.

[@roiwelboren9302]

Today I got my bazooka to 5000 kills and its my favorite weapon it's hard for me to rocket jump on valve servers idk why it's just not maybe it's the ping

[@theJboat]

Makes me feel good about myself that even my favourite KZbinrs have their occasional god-awful takes.

[@sunnysidedown404]

True true who dislikes the Loose Cannon lmao

[@sarahh08]

Beggars fan loose cannon huntsman and dead ringer got done dirty

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@sunnysidedown404 Fighting against, don't care. Using it? No. Fuck no. Let me spam.

[@appelofdoom8211]

I don’t see how “this weapon is good but I don’t like using it.” is a bad take. Like everyone has their own playstyles and sometimes a weapon clashes with that.

[@mikays7059]

I'm 8 minutes into this video, it's a lot of i'm not good with this weapon so i hate it is what I'm hearing tbh.

[@wingdingfontbro]

"I don't care how good it is, I don't have fun using it." The best line I've ever heard anyone say. It's another way of saying "don't complain in the comments, this is my opinion and my playstyle." and I love it.

[@modelvp2405]

8:48 I think you were saying that the rocking of the ship would move around the shuffleboard pucks, making a good placement on the target pretty much out of your control

[@GavinsCold]

I saw the Fury coming tbh lol. It’s one of my favorite weapons in the game, but I can see why people dislike it. I think too many people go intro trying the fury thinking they’ll be playing like pyro, when really the fury is basically a subclass of its own with a pretty different play style. So it makes sense why people get frustrated with the fury; kind of like trying to play spy thinking it’ll be like sniper. Oh wait the ambassador exists…

[@leithaziz2716]

I very much know what you mean by feeling like a Subclass, and that's what makes it so great. It freshens up Pyro's playstyle without feeling like a downgrade to normal Pyro. Missing will feel frustrating, but the Dopamine of destroying Level 3 sentries and healing Medics thanks to the damage stack is unmatched by other Pyro weapons. It's great to have for the days you get fatuiged by Pyro's W+M1 playstyle.

[@sleepy1066]

Cant really call the amby a spy sniper gun anymore, its useless in most cases compared to stock, and if you wanna be t h a t spy then go for the diamondback

[@M4x_P0w3r]

My problems with the Fury is that it cripples the airblast in such a way you might as well have none, 1v1ing pyros becomes much harder due to them being able to just airblast my own fireballs, the first shot comes out so slow and if Medics are able to just backpedal away from me while destroying my fireballs with syringes, then the upsides of the weapon don't feel nearly worth enough

[@thepotatotaxi2430]

the abassador cripples spy idk what pre jungle inferno stuff you on

[@joao2479]

Exactly my opinion, I tried doing the contract and it was so painful because I had to put in considerably more effort for more or less the same effectiveness had I just used stock or the backburner

[@FellaSimpleton]

The weapon i really hate is all of them, because i cant use any of them.

[@theJboat]

Fax

[@Lukysao]

Bagers bazuka is not rocket launcher it is shotgun(best shotgun)

[@Creetur]

skill issue

[@pabroah6434]

I feel you bro

[@tinyportal]

I have never been so offended by something that I 100% agree with

[@Fesh3314]

I think what they were trying to do with The Beggar's Bazooka is making it an area denial tool, making it impossible to hit lone targets but allowing to wipe teams in payload.

[@inky.64]

Still an awful weapon

[@Dogasupreme]

6:44 Our guy gets Majima'd

[@StickMaster500]

Even before the nerf, I always didn’t like using the Ambassador since you had to have almost godlike aim if you want to headshot constantly and makes you more likely on dying because you’re too focused of trying to get that 102 headshot or less after the nerf where you could more damage with any of the other Revolvers

[@TheDoc_K]

Agreed. I kept trying to use the gun because, well, it looks so cool! But it is just not my playstyle at all.

[@joao2479]

Also the diamondback literally exists

[@chippy4032]

idk I find the burst damage quite useful. People need to learn that you don't need to always headshot- starting a fight with one puts 8 out of the 9 classes below 100 health allowing for a easy-ish cleanup with bodyshots. If you play your cards right you can go up against actual power classes with your revolver alone which can be pretty crazy- but even I'll admit It's a lot of effort for a reward that isn't the best exchange. it has its moments tho. oh yeah it's also great for picks outside of backstab range. yes even after the nerf-

[@outdoggod7233]

Oh, look. More neck-beards with skill issues.

[@ewanb1086]

@@joao2479 yeah but some people like to have fun so no

[@MyWaifuNow]

It seems like you're looking at these weapons from a wanting to win perspective when a lot of the weapons you talked about are just there to be fun instead of objectively good. Like the loose cannon just exists to give you a dopamine rush, the holiday punch is just funny taunt kills the weapon, the FaN can launch enemies into obstacles or off cliffs for funny environmental kills, the lucksman lets you play the lottery while playing TF2, and the beggars is like if a random crit was turned into a weapon plus the ability to just fly. They're all there to just mess around with and have fun, not to pubstomp. The eyelander though can be frustrating to use when you're dying a lot and the entire point of the widowmaker is to reward accuracy and good meatshots on a battle engie so if you like chip damage it is just going to be a worse shotgun. I would say the boston basher though is just objectively bad though because its only real use is hurting yourself to jump (which the atomizer just does better as you said), and if you want to build uber just have a soldier shoot himself in the foot.

[@LLPTV]

they don't design multiplayer games like this anymore. always gotta do the efficient pro gamer team tactics and pull your weight for imaginary internet points or get shouted at.

[@aquamarinerose5405]

Granted I'd say on more "Objectivity" that each of these has their own balance quirks. The Beggar's Bazooka is basically designed in such a way that it gives up every kind of consistency available in exchange for some potentially stupid burst damage through 3 rockets coming out in the time it would normally take 1. Though then the shot deviation was added for the extra flavor that this thing is actual trash. The FaN was built with high damage and knockback as a core feature, that the enemy will take significant damage if you hit them, and then either be halfway across the map where they can't fight back, be thrown off a cliff, or smack a wall for the combo. The Huntsman is a weirdly balanced design of basically hitting both ends of the skill spectrum at once. The arrow hitboxes are wonky enough that you can get away with some "luck" but you also need to lead your shots enough to make it work in most situations. It also has a sort of Squiffer design where it's designed to take the long range weapon class and make it something that can flank and play much closer to the action.

[@sunfish2]

1:47 "GREAT BLUE"

[@baconpancakez]

The widowmaker is my favorite gun as an engineer main. I've never felt secondary locked to the pistol, actually using the short circuit more often. Sounds like metal suicide but if you can aim then they have a sort of synergy with the metal refilling. Also, the extra damage on sentry's target is actually quite useful with the mini sentry. My only problem is shooting disguised spies not giving me metal.

[@blazingwaters7469]

Well, the thing with the FaN knockback, as some people (perhaps those in the comments, even) have said, is that it truly is something you work around and focus on utilizing, not put up with. Like, do I use the extra push as a makeshift jump after achieving both prior for quicker or sneakier maneuvers, or do I save the shots to push an enemy away from their intended path? If the latter, am I gonna do a quick stuff with both shots, follow up with a pistol barrage or Flying Guillotine hit before/after, or line up a Wrap Assassin bauble or a prior-launch Boston Basher hit to make them bleed out and have to prioritize a Medic or healthkit over going back to the front line? What if they're near a ledge or environmental hazard, would it be better to focus on those as well? Sure, I'm probably exaggerating, but ultimately my point, coming from someone that more often uses the gun than any other Scout primary, is that the FaN earned its status as a sidegrade cause it focuses on utility and multi-purpose application, rather than practicality and straight up shooting a guy dead.

[@slysamuel5902]

This sounds less like working around the weapon and more so putting up with a bad relationship and saying “Oh my partner is fine. I am the one that needs to change for them.” so you can avoid the consequence of realising that the Mr. or Ms. FaN, that you have spent so much time with, is an abusive partner. Edit: Do I need to clarify that I am not being serious with the bad relationship analogy? Also my reason for disliking the FaN in my opinion is its stats contradict one another, not because I hate alternative play styles. I elaborate on this better in a comment below as well as compare it to two other weapons that also vary how you play compared to stock.

[@waker_link]

@@slysamuel5902 don't care, i like to rob people of air control

[@blazingwaters7469]

@@slysamuel5902 I mean, no? Most unlocks in TF2, even a couple of the bad ones, have a specific use to them that you learn and manage, why is the FaN any different? Because it does something _somewhat_ different to Scout's playstyle? Answer me what exactly makes it different from the Dragon's Fury or the Loose Cannon, two other weapons in this video that're fundamentally different from Stock and a couple other regular unlocks, cause I can really throw your argument back at you by saying you're so conditioned around what the other primaries have taught you that you're not willing to learn something different and get frustrated as a result. I said I more often use FaN, I also swap it out for Soda Popper which has essentially become my second main, and Stock when needed, and use Baby Face when I essentially want to fuck around with a bleed loadout. I adapt to each one when something calls for it. FaN isn't supposed to be an inclosed shooter like the Stock or even SP, it's again supposed to be a tool used to push opponents back from away the objectives and/or frontline in order to mitigate their force. It also sounds like you're just, ignoring the fact that Scout has secondaries, when I already mentioned them in their use, as well as how the pistol is a decent alternative to any sort of mid air combat, keeping the dodge/jump aspect without ruining the momentum that the FaN can do when facing an enemy below or above you. Finally, where the hell did I half-lie and say it does better damage than Stock? I never once implied that, I literally just gave out tips and scenarios that could theoretically be enough to make an enemy near-death by the time they're pushed far enough back. Did you just, make up a counterargument entirely to make a point everyone knows about? So, no, I don't "need to seek help". It sounds like you need to either respect people's weapon loadouts, or "git gud". Sorry I like to play differently, I guess.

[@blazingwaters7469]

@@slysamuel5902 >makes a willing counterargument to what was said >"durrr abusive relationship joke" right, ok, might be a good time to ignore you now

[@slysamuel5902]

@@blazingwaters7469 Well for a non-joke response, I did not mean anything serious when I said it was like a bad relationship. That was a joke metaphor I was using in that comment. As for the unlocks you mentioned; with the force a nature, the thing that makes me view it as bad is not that it changes how you play, but it’s stats contradict each other. The extra pellets and firing speed but lower damage per pellet makes it seem like a good close range burst fire weapon. But going for meat shots knocks them really far away. You can circumvent this with 1. Secondary weapons; but why not use a primary that can do 200+ damage faster than 1 FaN shot + cleaver/mid-range pistol bullets? 2. Using inclosed areas; why would you do that as the class reliant most on open areas? The weapon does not have a stat that helps you stay alive better in those restrictive areas. 3. The crit a cola; if you can stomach the downside of being marked for death then I guess, but you still have wait for it to recharge when you could kill faster with other primaries during said downtime. I feel like I have to use it in very inconvenient ways unlike the dragon’s fury. The fury also changes how you play, but it is good due to its stats working together to support that altered play style. The higher dps, range than stock, as well as it firing projectiles work together to make it better at single target offence, rather than force you to because they contradict each other. The loose cannon is not equal to stock (though I would not call it bad, to me it’s right below good) since you would probably have better dps by with two 100 damage pipes in the time it takes to charge one double donk, and it’s not as good with sentries. That said its stats do not contradict each other, forming a natural alternative play style. Though most people really just use it for fun (btw if you use the FaN for fun too while acknowledging it probably is not that good, that is completely fine dude. I also do that but with the loose cannon and some other stuff). If I could fix the FaN, I would remove its damage penalty, and either remove its knock-back all together or make it so that alt-fire changes it to a “double fire” mode like real life double barrels can be changed to shoot one or two shells at once. This mode would not increase damage, but it would have the knock back to enemies and user, which I would remove from “single shot” mode. This way no stats conflict with each other, you get to be a burst damage scout without the need to worry about hitting the next shot. Good weapon (I hope), fun alternative play style. Though if you think it doing 126 damage with 12 pellets is OP, then swap that stat with the soda popper’s faster reload time.

[@Nemyoseo]

3:21 hearing Great Blue curse is unusual...

[@nolaz010]

5:06 I know this is really old and probably won't be seen, but I've been using the beggars for a while. It's insanely fun to rocket jump with. it's mostly learning timing and flicking your shots instead, it somehow helps more with preditction. Also you can store 3 shots in the chamber with a taunt loop, which is actually a good strategy for saving yourself or setting a trap. You can double/tripple wall-jump in one go hugging the wall. Another neat trick is if you let your rockets reach 4 and turn behind you, you can blast jump which will knock you forward, flicking 180 back ahead, you can let go of the other two rockets to pogo before they explode. now, I'm not saying you have to use gunboats with the beggars, but it drastically changes how vital jumping is in gameplay. you can well time a sync rocket to land with you while you already have 2 stored up from falling from the map cieling. I'd highly recommend giving a look at BlindPyro on youtube, the trashcan gives the soldier wings.

[@robbierotten2024]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Phlog. Spamming scorch shot to cheese the damage meter so that you can walk at people and maybe kill a bunch of them. People always talk about a dopamine rush, but what dopamine is there to get? A dopamine rush is like getting out of a crazy situation as spy or like doing anything slightly impressive or crazy. The Phlog is spam flare jump around corner and if no one’s paying attention you walk at them and hold down fire until someone with knockback of any kind shows up

[@2fore2splace50]

while i somewhat agree, the scorch shot is a secondary item and ISNT part of the phlog itself. also do you just not feel anything when you get a kritz charge?

[@mariustan9275]

I think it's from all the kills they get, though I agree it's frustrating. The scorch shot makes it too easy to rack up damage and kill everything by w+m1. I once saw a cool idea in a balance server where the scorch shot projectiles functioned like pipes. If you got a direct hit they got the blast radius. If not the projectile bounced and then didn't do anything. Would make ti a lot harder to spam and force the people who use this to AIM.

[@mr.nutcracker8957]

Oddly enough the weapon i dislike the most is the Sticky bomb launcher... I know is a weapon a lot of people like and it is a stock so i have had some good practice with it but the way you use it just doesn't feel right to me, i prefer using grenades when I want to spam and it pisses me off knowing i have to use a weapon i loathe in order to be better at the class

[@joao2479]

I usually run the Scottish Resistance, you should give it a shot, shoots faster and is actually built for making traps rather than just spamming shit at the enemies and there's such a nice dopamine flow of just locking down a chokepoint with 14 explosives I can detonate few at a time and just get some kills and single handedly cripple the enemy teams progress, only stoppable by stock uber or sneaky spy.

[@mrsquid_]

Well i like spamming the stock grenade launcher aswell... the difference being that the stock stickybomb launcher isn't madr for spamming. it's made for trapping chokepoints and doorways

[@scrubscrub4492]

You don't, though? Hybridknight is king.

[@fourkz]

Honestly same. I usually get better results with the Scottish Resistance’s faster firing speed or the Quickiebomb Launcher’s faster arm speed, so the stock stickybombs just kinda feel slow.

[@calebd3947]

you can use the sticky jumper. although you lose damage, you gain a HUGE mobility option in place of it. it also can be used to annoy sniper, which is a plus.

[@denaytan7746]

The Loose Cannon is great in cramped maps like 2fort and Junction. The lack of space for enemies to dodge makes it immensely easier to hit double donks, and the extra damage really ticks off your enemies. lol

[@leoverycool4853]

Not a professional beggar’s user or anything but the reason I love the weapon is for the ridiculous and unexpected movement potential that isn’t always satisfied by simply pogoing around. Sometimes just the satisfaction of timing a bomb just right and vomiting 3 full damage rockets (as opposed to the airstrike) right on top of an enemy is as satisfying as a market garden

[@iMuscle15O6]

Well, to give a few pieces of my experience with the Beggar’s Bazooka, it may not be the most viable or consistent to use, but it’s definitely pretty fun and creative Mainly because I used this a lot when I play Soldier, for me, it’s good at damage, decent at cleaning up large groups (if you’re careful or with someone), and often works wonders when hiding/going around corners (or literally anywhere out of plain sight), as you can reload your three rockets and unleash hell to whoever you meet as a surprise attack. There was also this one time that involves a Scout prancing all over the place, and when loading up the Bazooka, the first or second rocket hit him (with the other missing), but as he was dodging it, I have to like flick my mouse to aim at him, and managed to him on the spot Overall, wouldn’t say that my words here are proof of why the Beggars is actually good, since my taste in weaponing consists of either gimmicks or just brain dead fun (like the Brass Beast for example). But I respect your takes here. Great video too, mate!

[@shnowshner]

Beggar's is in the weird zone between "this weapon is absolutely unfair to fight against" and "why the hell would I ever want to use this thing." They successfully made a weapon that I can say is both too strong and not played enough to be an actual problem.

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

that is exactly how i feel playing with it.

[@Winasaurus]

It's because it has no counterplay. You can cleverly predict soldier shots, perfectly time crouch jump to surf the blast away, airblast knowing exactly where he's aiming, or even just small things like moving away from the obvious target zone to slightly lower damage "oh, better not stand near this dispenser, he's bombing". Meanwhile with beggars you cannot predict his shots, even HE doesn't know where he's shooting. Meaning you can't surf the blast. You can't airblast knowing your target line. Often he's spammed enough rockets that you couldn't surf or airblast anyway because they'll kill you first. If you're on a dispenser and a beggars soldier bombs you, you're better off literally not moving because there's nothing you can do regarding his aim and therefore dodging, so it's best to get the most out of the dispenser while it still lives. Absolutely stupid. But the weapon is so weird and annoying to use that thankfully it's not a problem. It's like the vaccinator. Absolutely disgustingly overpowered, turns any fight with a medic into a chore, almost impossible to counter without changing to stupid classes like demoknight and scorch shot spam. But it's complex enough that basically noone uses it so noone cares.

[@gordonhuang1366]

A great way to use the Beggars is to use a bombing playstyle. You can rocket jump and load some rockets while mid-air, and release 2-3 rockets when at a close range. It's very much like using the Air Strike with the Gunboats.

[@C0DY420]

The best use for the beggar’s bazooka isn’t in casual, but in mvm. It’s ranked as the best rocket launcher in mvm because of its insane damage potential and tank busting, and it’s downside of not being able to get ammo while out allows you to use a banner while getting ammo at the same time

[@fractalisomega9517]

Boston Basher is more of a support item to be used with your team's Medic, giving them a low HP target to heal and speeding up their Uber charge rate... much like the Atomizer using it as a weapon isn't recommended unless you have a Medic on your tail

[@GigasGMX]

I enjoy the Beggar's because 1. It's stupid and chaotic and I like those. 2. It gives me sweet mobility tricks in exchange for getting less direct hits, but I"m not super great at getting direct hits anyway. Soldier is my "turn brain off, do something cool and stupid" class, and the Beggar's enhances that.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

Beggar's is a weapon embodiment of Soldier as a character.

[@aqgpandemic5406]

Why do I love the Beggars Bazooka? Simple, the best optimized mobility in the entire game, the fun of chaos theory and blind pyro

[@yikes6758]

The Force a Nature is my go-to primary alongside the short stop. it's a really tricky weapon to use that requires a bit more awareness of your own movement, sure. but it also has some really mean tricks up its sleeves if you haven't learned to do force jumps yet i HIGHLY recommend you practice them. to me, they unlock the full potential of the weapon and give you so much more technicality. You can get nearly a rocket jump's worth of vertical with none of the self damage. One thing I love doing when fighting soldiers his force jumping straight up, ideally away from any walls. this does two things; it forces them to go for an air shot to hit me if they want to gain advantage in the encounter, and it prevents my next shot from pushing me around, allowing me to make full use of my double jump and air strafing. sure you have to reload it after the first shot you actually use to damage someone, but that's more than made up for by the time you spend airborne, and used properly you should be reloaded by the time you land. It's also scout's best escape tool by far. even soldiers will struggle to chase you around if you're abusing force jumps to make it up and down tall ledges and walls. on maps like suijin, you can exit one of the doors on the point, force jump and then double jump back and immediately be on the upper level, which makes it basically impossible for most classes to chase you. it's a strategy that's insanely strong on any map with any verticality (which is basically all of them) because it gives scout access to most of soldier's routes for flanking and retreating you're going to take longer to kill people than with the soda popper, but the soda popper is an unbalanced piece of shit anyways so I don't consider that a fair benchmark; it literally has higher DPS than stock and the ability to fly. Using the force a nature is about rewiring your brain to move around the map with M1, and be aware of every bit of map geometry you're not looking at, much like a soldier

[@Kremschnittn]

This! Force-a-Nature is an AMAZING mobility tool and super satisfying to use

[@lonelyshpee7873]

Surprisingly, I happen to really like almost all of these weapons, so I guess I'll give my take on each: 1. FaN: Not as good as the soda popper, but really fun regardless. The knockback can be a positive sometimes, but I agree that it makes you unable to fight while in the air. 2. Beggar's: You really can't use this weapon like it's stock. Sure, constantly firing without reloading is cool and all, but that's not what you're using this weapon for, is it? You're using it to vomit rockets like a lunatic. And to do cool rocket jumps. It's a really fun weapon, but you have to embrace its inherent randomness. 3. Dragon's Fury: This thing is a beast in the right hands. It turns pyro into a true offense class that can shred through enemies with ease. You need good aim, though, and it takes practice, but it's really worth it. And don't bother using airblast with it. 4. Loose Cannon: Ah yes, a fun gimmick weapon that is really hard to use and extremely hard to master. It has really high highs, but much lower lows, so I understand why it can be frustrating to use or put any time into. Then again, I'm a Spy main, so I don't have any problem with it. 5. Eyelander: 100% agree with what you said, actually. However, if you're just messing around in, say, a 24/7 Hightower server, then a lot of the stress is gone when there are no stakes and heads are easy to collect. 6. Holiday Punch: Not really a weapon you should ever use seriously. Heavy doesn't have any use for his melee, so his best melee options provide utility. This thing can get _some_ use if you're the type of heavy thag likes to flank enemies. The times when it's useful are very niche, but when it works, it fucking works and creates some great moments. 7. Widowmaker: Sure, you have to discipline yourself to make each shot count, but it allows you to play really aggressively and output a fuckton of damage without stopping. Really fun, once you get rid of your bad habits. 8. Lucksman: Yeah, it's inconsistent... I'm not the biggest fan either, but I appreciate its existence... 9. DR: GunSpy. Use it for GunSpy. You don't need to MLG trickstab anyone. Just use it for GunSpy, or at the very least a more gun-oriented playstyle. I just love how aggressive you can be with this thing, but it takes an eternity to recharge. I mean, I'd take the current version over the pre-nerfed one every day, but I think it could use a _slight_ buff. Very slight.

[@dr.William_69]

NOW THATS A LOT OF WORDS

[@Chicken-Chaser]

God how I wish the sword skin for the Boston basher was for literally any other melee weapon in the game.

[@user-di4vq3cy7d]

Except on the “Sun on the stick”

[@JsaoCosmo]

I think it would be funny if it was a wrap assasin reskin. you just throw the whole ass sword at em and still do like 20 damage.

[@muffinman9018]

With the beggars bazooka, you have insane mobility whilst having essentially infinite rockets with the occasional 3 fast firing rockets. The downside of inaccuracy is annoying but is mitigated when you have so mich mobility that you're always close to them. If youre always preloading then you'll never get caught off gaurd and if you know how to beggars jump properly (and not just overload jump with all 3 rockets) you become a jet that drops several nukes per second. You should check out sirky or blind pyro to see just how crazy and fun it can be.

[@virokyu]

I can get your option on the Huntsman, but I see it more as a weapon for mid to close battles. It's great for body shots as it'll do 125, so as long as you got a smg, you'll be mowing down lightweight classes pretty easy. As for long range, it's kinda luck based, but not as much as people make it out to be, you just gotta know the drop of your arrows and predict an enemies movement. Thanks to this, I've gotten used to other classes walk speeds, so I can predict where classes will go and where I need to let my arrow go ahead of them for it to connect. I've got to the point where I've been able to get spies even when cloaked, as long as I saw them and have a rough idea where their walk path is.

[@vojtadrasner2440]

I do sometimes use Beggar's Bazooka and it kind of can be used if you use a shotgun as your primary weapon? Like, primarily using a shotgun and taking out the bazooka when you know there is/might be a crowd of enemy players behind the corner - like that 5:01 I like loose canon as long-range spam only - I mainly take it when I play "combined demo" - loose cannon + shield + sword

[@reagansido5823]

8:05 that Pyro really could have just gone for the taunt kill tbh. that would have been faster, more ammo efficient, and flashier. (and yes, I know the spawn is right there. but it does mean he wouldn't have even had to go back in for a refill)

[@Crokuran]

It's 2fort

[@JS-iu3ce]

i love the beggars bazooka so much, because you can do so much more than just mid air jumps, you kinda develop this playstyle of constantly loading up rockets and just jumping from corner to corner of the map to refresh health and ammo, you will often end up in some crazy chases with it, where you'll be hunted by a scout who you have to dodge for so long until you outposition him and he's dead instantly, it feels great. plus market gardens with this thing look flashy as hell.

[@BenjaminSteber]

The key to loving the loose cannon is to aim for your opponents' head and to engage them at sticky snipe range. This tech maximizes double donk likelihood and forces you to improve your aim. But it is a very meme weapon that I only ever use on high tower. That said, putting in the time on the loose cannon can be very rewarding. Another good tech is to aim for the feet of heavier targets. Send them flying for fall damage or pop them up for an air shot. Sirky made a whole video about this.

[@travisjones3120]

Beggars enjoyer here- I spent my first 1000 hours of the game hating this item, then I picked it up around 40 hours ago and it’s amazing. My only gripe with the weapon is it’s inaccuracy at medium range. I just love the ability to jump with it, it’s so much more interesting than stock once you learn how to overload and release jump. It might have something to do with my playstyle of basically being a casual roamer soldier where I fly around like a moron and land on some poor unsuspecting soul with three rockets prepped and get outta there. And I have gone godlike with it after only using it for a week and a half

[@potatocommenter]

Honestly I have been seeing more dragon fury videos talking about how good it is so its quite a shock that you would put it in the list but it is far from being a replacement for stock or degreaser but it is still a good weapon when going for a more dmg dealing pyro just needs a bit of practise then u can practically kill anyone u want

[@andykillsu]

Windowmaker is amazing. I feel like I do so much better while using it vs the regular shot gun. It makes you think more and take better shots that are for more damage. So instead of like spamming the shot gun at medium range, you more in closer to do more damage.

[@coreypark3244]

5:40 i could never get the hand with regular rocket jumping, despite trying for many hours. the beggars seems intuitive to me though, it's so much easier. the accuracy penalty is extremely harsh, but i also love destroying a scout who turned the corner into my three rockets

[@gamingmoth4542]

I personally feel like one way to make the Boston Basher a little less punishing is to still have it hit you when you miss your swing but just don’t add the bleeding effect on self damage.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

That would honestly make it worse. I absolutely ADORE Basher scouts because when they see me, they always hit themselves so that I can have uber for other teammates) Thank you, guys! I'm NOT a comp player btw.

[@evilded2]

Beggars is good if you enjoy rushing the enemy and getting up close, being able to draw directly from the ammo reserve let’s you continue to put pressure on the enemy without the need to slow down. All of the stats incisive a high risk high reward, up close play style.

[@dante696]

The whole point is the burst mobility that costs time rather than space when attacking on A/D and Payload maps. Wall doubles, overload skips, and sync bombs (none of which you seem able to pull off) require a set up time but don't require much space. No, you can't climb to the top of the tower on Thunder 3rd in one jump with any other RL.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

The airstrike launcher does just that, only more accurate (althrough with the way rocket damage is calculated you can't be up too high or its damage is trash)

[@dante696]

@@PancakemonsterFO4 The airstrike needs a surface + space to initiate the jump. The 0.8 interval until the 2nd shot makes the Thunder wall doubles impossible. It can't do the underbridge Badwater jump or even moat of the ramp skips. The Beggar's just does it better.

[@theguywhoasked2520]

the force-a-nature should have a right click Mechanic where your fire BOTH shots at once and also be reworked where the self-knockback when airborn should only apply when do the super big meaty shot instead of by default. Or perhaps, have all of its knockback effects be exclusive to this "one pump chump" mode

[@oozyslatt2529]

that sounds sweet I love this idea!

[@pokefire953]

Honestly I don’t think the fan needs a change, it’s perfect for what it is

[@thatoneguy9983]

Honestly as a heavy main the holiday punch is a good weapon but not as a weapon more as a last ditch effort because if your in close range to an enemy and don’t have your gun revved for some reason it’s a weapon with no downsides, is a direct upgrade from stock, and most importantly it provides a chance to completely stop an Uber in its tracks because the taunt chance still goes off if the enemy is ubered.

[@colingilchrist4634]

The loose cannon has to be my favorite weapon in the game. It is simply too much fun to run LC, Tide turner, and sword of choice. When you get teh timing down you wills end everyone flying

[@lolario7249]

I am a diehard fan of the dragons fury. The reason I love great blue is because he's always honest about things and he knows what is subjective and what is objective. so the fact that he could make me not hate him after he put the dragons fury on this list was amazing. it was about genuinely annoying aspects anyway, so i really cant be mad

[@goldenblyat4681]

My preferred way of using the beggars is by sniffing glue while a medic gives me Kritz and I keep tapping the fire button like the idiot I an

[@havel6060]

the reason aiming with dragon fury is it has a slight delay when clicking and the gun actually firing, while moving and attacking, the projectile will fire from the position of your character, but will aim at the position that you first clicked on the attack button, so its pretty weird to use

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

0:36 That's a huge L; the Caber is fucking amazing, and I have one of my Demo loadout saves dedicated to it.

[@wafflecopter9296]

You're better off having the bottle and getting a random crit than using the caber and blowing yourself up as the enemy laughs at your gibs. Old caber was amazing, current caber is just bad

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

@@wafflecopter9296 Skill issue

[@hewhoeatsthesandvich1202]

W

[@thelivingglitch1371]

I feel like if I was the one to make the list, I’d stick the Most Hated Medic Weapon on there to be the Vita-Saw. Granted, it’s not so much hating it as it is “realizing that it’s simply not as good as Medic’s other melees,” but it’s the closest I can manage. In summary, it’s basically just “Eyelander-Lite” with the whole point of punishing you upon missing fitting in here as well, albeit to a smaller scale. Granted, the bonus is only “per hit” and not “per kill,” which makes it at least slightly more negligible, but Medic is much squishier and less damage focused than Demo. You really should be only using Medic melees as a last resort most of the time because of this and 10 less health on the class with the second-lowest maximum health pool just makes him that much easier to kill. And if you do manage to get a cheeky hit via sneaking around, then props to you, but that doesn’t really have anything to do with the weapon itself so much as skills, timing, and/or luck. You could easily do that with any other Medic melee without the 10 health penalty because on top of being a super squishy Herr Doktor as it is, that 10 extra HP might just save your life if you could get out fast enough. But more importantly, you’re just more-likely to spend a few extra seconds waiting to respawn, and that means your team has a lack of primary heals for that much longer, and it could even ruin the game if you needed an Ubercharge at that time. “A dead Medic is a sad Medic.” -Dr Lalve (The Medic Guide)

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

permanet downside, upside only matters if you melee someone THEN get killed while you have Uber built up (wich granted, you ARE likely to die if you attempt to melee a non-F2P opponent). Even the Syringe Guns look good by comparison. At least the Stock Syringe Gun is stupid in x10, the Blustauger is meta in MvM, and the Overdose is crazy good in jump maps that have grenades enabled. The Vita is terrible no matter where you use it.

[@TyronJigabooDonquaviousIV]

each time i get a strange version of a weapon i hate using just makes me obligated to use it , for example , i got a strange equalizer , but im already using the escape plan but now i fell obligated to use it bc its strange

[@optiTHOMAS]

Good background music choices! 😁👍🏻 good stuff!

[@scottduncan5732]

Dishonorable mention: every needle gun for medic. The small arc of the needles, slow projectile speed and their wide random spread range make it feel like complete luck when hitting moving targets up close. That combined with the lackluster dps compared to the burst damage of the crossbow and the lack of the burst healing make me hate everything in medics primary slot that isn’t a crossbow.

[@energy7231]

this video is just one massive skill issue

[@birbo.]

I use the beggars because it lets me turn my brain off when I play payload. I can just spam M1 at the floor and be rewarded. Even though it shines on defense, I can still use it well on attack. Loading the beggars before blindly turning a corner actually gets you more kills than you might think, especially when you combine it with the conch/backup, where you don't need to worry about switching to a shotgun every now and then to preserve your rocket clip. Not to mention it does well against an airblasting pyro, due to the fact that they don't know when you will release your barrage. (plus airblast cool down is slower than firing speed of barrages) Basically, if you know what you're doing, you can be the front-line of your team spamming banner buffs and rockets down each hallway.

[@Mr.Freeze420]

I have atleast 1 for each class. Scout: baby face blaster Soldier: Beggars Pyro: dragons fury Demo: loose cannon Heavy: brass beast Engie: eureka effect Medic: overdose Sniper:Classic or heatmaker Spy: ambi or kunai

[@nooneinparticular5256]

I think that the other part of the Beggar's Bazooka is to fire the barrage over an area, to blanket a spot in splash damage. Though, I wish they could do something about the accuracy. Such as making it vary like the revolvers. Where you have to wait a second or two, before you can get another 100% accurate shot.

[@kalejackson2362]

So i play beggers quite regularly with soldier and what ive found is people think the rockets will fly strait at them so if instead of using it to predict movement like other launchers think of it like a delayed hitscan with 3 bullets (also everything i said is my personal opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt)

[@thrandompug2254]

I love using the widowmaker in what I call "the nowhereland grind" Where I use the jag, build a lvl 1 sentry at spawn so I can have 200 metal when I put the sentry down again, then go somewhere and put the sentry somewhere near the battlefield and in the range of the sentry but far enough away that no one actively notices you, build it fast with the jag (which is every so slightly faster than unboosted minisentry) and then just walk at the enemy team. It works surprisingly well, you just have to be very good at finding Nowhereland.

[@Dumb_Unfortunate_Man]

For me, the Huntsman is a God-tier weapon. It basically hits heatshots for me, because I suck at it. I have used it so much that I have mastered the art of arcing projectiles. The emote kill is also really cool to randomly pull off.

[@Outcastic]

honestly i love the beggers bazooka and loose cannon because you can do crazy mid air shenanigans

[@youngthinker1]

Holiday punch with crits medi-gun is a fun meme from early TF2. Because the laugh duration is so long, and the vitasaw gives 100% uber, you roam with your heavy friend chaining ubers.

[@defaultface7273]

Same thing happened to me with the force of nature, equipped for a meme once, had way more fun then expected and ended up liking it. The knockback is both great and awful, not a very good weapon, but it forces you to play different which is what a well made weapon should do imo.

[@TheBeast94YT]

4:26 You can hold rockets by taunting, though it’s pretty slow

[@nexusthenormie5578]

The beggars' most fun when you learn all the crazy ass jumps with it, and if you learn the sync bombs, aka you load three rockets, and overload jump at a target and basically land near them to release the two rockets into their face, you will DELETE them, and hell if two people are standing there they will die, rocket jumping normally with the beggars is easy if you know basic rocket jumping to begin with, there's just a delay when you shoot

[@BrimBlam]

I fucking love the Holiday Punch solely because it’s the definition of “comedy moment”. You force someone into laughing, you can be goofy and tauntkill, laugh with them, and possibly stuff an uber with something as stupid as silly mittens. Its just raw fun imo. Also Kritzkrieg and Mittens can absolutely pop off in niche scenerios and the idea of that amuses me.

[@nicholayrichardson9668]

I kindof adore the beggar's bazooka. For wide open maps, I like to jump around and bomb groups of enemies with the conch as a secondary. No clip reload means no awkward pauses inbetween jumps like on the airstrike, and the conch means I can do much more of these jumps without cratering whilst jumping to a healthpack spot where aforementioned health pack is already taken. And for cramped maps like good ol 2fort, it is a must have for corner peeking that vax medic heavy duo. And also just in general. Maybe a skilled player doesn't really care about some tryhard in a pub with a moderate degree of skill, but there's such satisfaction in whipping out the beggars soldier when the same stickyspam demo blows up your level 3 sentry for the 8th time.

[@geoshark12]

2:01 just left click to fire both shots at once

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

0:37 So, to paraphrase, "Everyone hates the caber, so I wouldn't be sitting here discussin' it with ya, now would eye?"

[@phattadontungtrongsit4137]

Blue: said he doesn’t like the begged’s bazooka. Blue: proceeds to kick ass with it.

[@rinkutsuki3382]

Bro, that shuffle board on a cruiseliner line was amazing

[@sirjafferson2476]

One of my favorite uses of the Loose Canon is for hybrid knight. Got a scout trying to run away? Blast a canonball down that hallways he's trying to run down and uh oh! He can't go down there anymore without getting hurt! So what does he do? Runs right at you, leading to an easy charge kill. The loose canons ability to lock off escape paths make it one of my favorite area denial tools in close scenarios, almost like a wackier iron bomber in that sense.

[@karunyagopan]

I apply the BBB playstyle whenever I'm in combat with the FaN, no jumping unless I'm trying to confuse the guy with the air mobility

[@ImKirb]

the reason I love the beggars bazooka so much is because of its potential with bombing and roaming. being able to load up three rockets, then use one to jump towards a target and the other two to very quickly melt whatever im aiming for is so satisfying ! you have the potential to kill all but heavy with those two rockets ! and with roaming, it allows you to choose what fights you take, because you're able to keep such a large gap between you and the enemies, which you can also close very quickly with overload syncs. a lot of the time as soldier, I don't need to go for airshots or anything flashy like that. sometimes, you just need a lotta rockets

[@Pixelldude]

i like the beggar's bazooka because i like how chaotic it can be, and in mvm i like blowing up tons and tons of robots.

[@asturias0267]

As a demo main I love the dragons fury and huntsman. Projectiles feel so rewarding to use.

[@DerpyDooReviews]

I love the beggars bazooka but I probably couldn't convince anyone to use it, I love that it's a rapid fire rocket launcher, able to destroy an entire team if they are all around a point or payload. I love that I can load up my rockets and fly across the map, I love that I can put 3 rockets in a chamber and then taunt, keeping my rockets in the chamber ready to blow whenever i stop taunting, killing unsuspecting enemies who think i'm friendly... All rocket launchers are fun but I just find the BB extra fun.

[@AlextheLordofFire]

I fucking can’t with the wrangler. I know it’s the most powerful weapon for engie, but it requires two things of me which I’m not willing to give: sitting around my sentry, and aiming. I built a sentry for it to shoot for me goddam it! It frustrates me aiming with it since the bullets are coming from a different source and I just can’t compute that on my brain, and even if it does double the damage I feel like I’m doing half. If anything I’d rather end myself with the threat with my shotgun. And the I know the shield it’s the deal breaker here, but at a point where my sentry is receiving enough spam for me to wrangle it, it just feels like I’m delaying the inevitable. I might as well grab it and run as I have the chance.

[@nafereuskortex9055]

I love the loose cannon, I play it and when I get rolled on it I switch to the stock or bomber to remind myself I'm not actually just really bad then switch back to he cannon.

[@qcubic]

As a Loose Cannon user, I can confirm that we are all about dopamine. The moment that someone equips the Loose Cannon is the moment where they transform from a crowd control and sentry buster class to a single target powerhouse. This weapon is not for the passive player, but for the flanker. Although I have about 2000 hours in the game, the majority is from practicing with the cannon fodder, so my hitscan aim is affected greatly. It could be told off as a skill issue, but if you have the hang of slow projectiles and picking off key targets, I’m sure you’ll love this thing. For a secondary, you could cover your bases with the Quickiebomb Launcher or use the Tide Turner with the Half-Zatoichi after lowering someone’s health with a Donk. Also Great Blue, if you ever get the chance, do a Donk!-ilation. Seriously, a weapon that has high knockback and burst damage is sure to impress the Demoman Space Program. Heavies and medics are by far the funniest to see take off.