TF2 - What's the Best Loadout for Spy?

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[@StickMaster500]

Funny how despite them nerfing the Ambassador because they didn’t want to make Spy into a Sniper, they didn’t nerf the Diamondback even though it’s a much easier version of the Ambassador, especially with the crits having no falloff damage

[@MartinPurathur]

They really ought to

[@wellinthatcasethatsucks]

Apples

[@Ethan11892]

But with the diamondback you have to at least get a few stabs or saps before being able to kill enemies from across the map, which means at absolute minimum 30 - 60 seconds of doing normal spy stuff. With the pre-nerf Ambassador Spies could just leave spawn and head straight to the Sniper battlements and start dominating the enemy team without ever having to do actual spy stuff.

[@mrexists5400]

@@Ethan11892 yeah, diamandback rewards being spy, old ambassador encouraged not being spy

[@r4dbro]

"My favorite class is the spy"

[@listertf2]

9:20 that's such a simple but effective way to compare stock weapons to unlocks (rather than the other way around), i'm surprised i haven't seen other people do this

[@lisathefoolish]

hello lister!

[@orangutanman2470]

"wow theres stats and details about the weapon and you can think about if it's good or not??" " that's so cool why hasnt anyone used their brains before! 🙀😼"

[@spribom2676]

@@orangutanman2470 «simple but effective» «i’m surprised i haven’t seen other people do this» you literally just repeated what he said in monkeebrainlanguage… which fits your name

[@orangutanman2470]

@@spribom2676 my man literally said he hasnt seen other people do this when it's like the main way of figuring out if a weapon is good our not, he's making it sound like reading the stats is unique

[@nickh8711]

@@orangutanman2470 what stats? you know the revolver doesn't actually have +15% damage listed right

[@Toofty]

Edit: WARNING THE AMBY IS ACTUALLY GOOD. COMMENTS TOLD ME SO. I lost all my really good Spy footage so I just have to use this instead 👀 What class shall I do next? :)

[@zeboilingwatah7223]

Pyro

[@judebacker145]

Def medic. He's my fav

[@zeboilingwatah7223]

@@judebacker145 Crossbow, stock uber and Uber saw

[@SocknessMonster]

please make a video on killing people with a rock

[@scarabdust]

Demoknight :>

[@SirPembertonS.Crevalius]

Always saw the diamond back as a straight upgrade to the revolver. You get free crits for just doing your job as spy.

[@dominikcz198]

Nah, all you have to do is sap one random teleporter on the map and play as sniper. It's simple: Farm crits on new players and punish skilled players for it.

[@celestialowl8865]

@@dominikcz198 That just makes it not consistent

[@tony-te7gd]

@@celestialowl8865 its only inconsistent if your spy gameplay is

[@flaggy185]

I think is somewhat balanced If you fail, well, you lose ur crits

[@celestialowl8865]

@@tony-te7gd No, it's inconsistent because depending on how good/what enviroment you're playing in those crits just aren't feasible. In competitive this gun is next to useless relative to the extra cloak or consistency of other guns

[@giacomoromano8842]

Sorry, but i stand with what FishStick on a stick says. Just because the diamond back is a straight upgrade from stock, it doesn't mean the Amby is bad. Is a pick weapon, to shoot low health target out of nowhere, that compensate precise aiming from a short to middle distance. Is not bad, is just that the l'Etranger is more useful and the Diamond Back is broken.

[@azerod7436]

Funny how people just stopped using it when it was nerfed and, well, never tried it ever again, despite it doing it’s job well

[@StrangeFestive]

​@@azerod7436 Me with my aussie amby over here like: "Wait people dont use this?" To specify I never used it when it was very strong cause I couldn't aim for heads and was better off with the l'etranger or stock

[@phucgiang395]

Amby is overlooked because the Diamomdback isn't nerf alongside it

[@zesnowpea6347]

@@phucgiang395 it’s like the wrap assassin and sandman, except the metaphorical sandman is still quite useful

[@GigasGMX]

I agree, BUT in a tier list context the fact is that the Diamondback is strictly better than the ambassador in almost all situations results in a low tier for the Amby simply because you could be using the diamondback instead.

[@SawedOffLaser]

Funny thing about the Diamond Back: it used to only give crits on sapping, like you mentioned. And when it was like that, it was considered really weak and situational because it required the enemy team to have an engineer with constructed buildings to be useful. The buff that added backstabs gaining crits is what pushed it over the edge. What's a good fix? No idea, personally.

[@carsonthompson4260]

Personally I think it should give crits for a certain amount of time. You get stab and then go wild with your gun for like 2 or 3 seconds, like something out of a James Bond movie

[@GigasGMX]

Crits only on backstabs? A much lower crit cap (like “approximately the clip size”)? Very slight Bullet spread (like they were considering for the Amby before implementing its critical falloff instead)? Downgrading it to mini-crits? Reverting it to only gaining Crits on Sap but having it gain several at once (probably 3)? Giving it the Amby’s critical falloff? There’s a lot of reasonable nerfs of varying intensity available. A game that updated more often would be able to just pick one and try it out to see how well it works, but that’s never been Valve’s style.

[@Nigel-nv3lr]

I think it needs either a slower firing speed, so that you're punished for missing and you can't pop people for 102 as fast as stock. Or they should make the crits have a limited amount of time that they can be used

[@TF-Boom]

Diamondback nerf is really easy. 1) replace crits with mini-crits (so you still have a reward but with damage falloff as you should) 2) replace damage penalty with -34% clip size penalty (so damage penalty dont eat bonus damage from mini-crits, and you still have fire power downside as well as higher punishment for missing)

[@30thCenturyFish]

my personal idea to balance the DB is to replace the +1 crit on backstab to: "on backstab, any kills within 5 seconds give +1 crits." this would make it more of a chainstab weapon, while still making it good against engis.

[@Dejsun]

13:38 wait a second its so cute, the engineer trying to save his sentry with the rescue ranger bolts

[@yaboireptar1246]

I feel like the ambassador is still incredible It turns out a short range character has a short range weapon yet for some reason people exploded when they couldn't snipe anymore

[@DeathofHeavens]

If youre not sniping with the ambasador then its just a worse revolver

[@januszpolak254]

Ambassador sucks because it takes too much skill for such small reward. Its only good use is killing Razorback snipers.

[@matildec.4202]

@@januszpolak254 small reward? 102 instant damage doesn't seem like a small reward imo

[@goldfishthedestroyer3233]

@@matildec.4202 it’s 102 instant if you hit a specific hitbox, then you wait 1.5ish seconds to be able to do that again and by that point the stock revolver is just better damage and amount of times you can deal damage wise.

[@Krivoruchka]

@@goldfishthedestroyer3233 well enemy could be dead by that time 102 damage is a lot and you can dont have to headshot again

[@milliondollarmistake]

I don't think the amby is nearly that bad. I watched the video you linked and while the numbers on paper make it out to be terrible the ambassador shines in one very important situation: on demand burst damage at close range. Close range is where Spy is at his weakest. Unless you're some trickstabbing god most classes can kill Spy at close range pretty easily (especially true if random crits are enabled (trickstabbing isn't that effective of a tactic against good players)). Hitting that 102 is really strong, and you only need a quick bodyshot afterwards to kill light classes. And unlike the Diamondback there's no set up or resource to keep track of, there are times where getting those saps and stabs isn't easy which makes the DB dead weight. And if you miss your crit shot then that's just gone forever, now you're fighting for your life with a straight downgrade. Am I saying that the Diamond Back is trash or that the Ambassador is SSSS tier? No the DB is pretty strong and the amby isn't god tier. I'm just saying the amby's niche is a valuable one to help patch one of Spy's many weaknesses so it's probably a solid B tier.

[@danialrafid]

Trickstabbing is extremely hard against good players, I've seen spies with auto-backstab hack do nothing because they're not allowing the trickstab

[@kolinaspronok]

What that I read, you described a revolver side-grade that was kinda busted before it's deserved Nerf?

[@milliondollarmistake]

@@kolinaspronok sorta, the revolver is probably better overall and the diamondback is good too if you do have crits stored up. I'm just making the case that the amby is far from the worst of the worst

[@kolinaspronok]

@@milliondollarmistake oh don't get me wrong, I made a whole comment defending the amby by using statements from both fsoas and zesty Jesus to which I fully agree. People are mad that now the ambassador is on-parr with stock and not a direct upgrade.

[@FriendOfHatkid]

I also think that putting amby next to enforcer, which has much more niche use than amby is dumb. +20% dmg for first shot most of the time not matters, cuz, when you are using the revolver, you either try to finish off enemy that is out of your range, playing gunspy (or spycicle after pyro) or killing snipers with razorback. And, with first, while more dmg may help, you either still 2 shot someone, just as with stock, or you oneshot him cuz he has too low health. And in second case I most often find enemies with low enough hp to be finished with 1 l'etranger shot. Meanwhile, if you are good with hitting amby shots, you may almost entirely remove first case, where enemies are 2 shot with stock, or guarantee that almost all of the encounters will be 2 shotted. And, while piercing resistances is great, there are only 3 most common situations when enemies have resistances. Most common is demoknight. But, if he sees you, he will most likely be pretty full, especially if he is samurai, so no revolver (except for db) will help you, only pray that you can trick-or-facestab him. Second is, much more rarer, vaccinator. But, like, backstab him. And third is batalion's. But, again, better backstab them. More dmg will mostly only matter at super close range, otherwise you will have fall off and won't do max dmg. So, backstab. Fist of steel is also an unlock, but I don't think that you will find so much heavies with it, and if you do, why not backstab them? They can just cycle to get out minigun and shred you with your dmg piercing gun. So, why even bother trying to pierce when you can backstab? And, while yes, you can 2 shot razorback sniper with 1 enhanced and regular shot with enforcer, he might be also low enough to be oneshotted by amby or db. Enforcer is just worthless most of the time, you are using regular revolver but with slower firing speed and no random crits. But amby is also worthless, cuz you can use diamond back. Diamond back is just straight up broken in his concept. So, to not be the most op gun for spy, it needs to be reworked, otherwise it will be too good. And yes, I do think that amby should be at B tier next to yer. It is situational and fun weapon, just as yer.

[@double2254]

I wouldn’t consider amby among the worst spy weapons (and no way it’s as bad as the enforcer or red tape). I would consider it on par with the cloak gun (I cannot spell it out) in that B range if tiering things, you are a pick class as spy… you do not care about consistent damage as much as burst your kill key targets and the amby does this for you. Yes you need to get good and headshot and you cannot be diet sniper but the range nerf isn’t as bad as people made it out to be, you are still doing considerable damage at midrange and can do excellent numbers at close range which is where you want to be anyway (just because you can’t meme with the amby anymore doesn’t mean it’s bad guys…)

[@gekks5250]

I don't think the amby (and enforcer) are ranked so low because they are bad weapons, but that everything else is just better. Sure, it has potential for extremely high damage and is useful against razorback snipers, but compared to the others it just falls short. A crit from the diamondback does more damage, doesn't require nearly as much precision, and deals the same amount of damage at any distance. The stock revolver, while it does have less potential dps, will generally kill of an enemy much quicker than the amby unless you have godlike aim (at which point you should just be playing sniper if you're that good) and is generally more reliable. It's not really possible to compare the l'etranger to the amby since they both serve wildly different purposes and really depend on playstyle. I will concede however that the amby is definitely better than the enforcer.

[@mackerel8040]

@@gekks5250 I think that the amby isn’t worse than the other revolvers. It’s more so like a burst > dps sidegrade against stock, and the stranger is hard to rank against the two because it’s main use isn’t for damage. I could agree about the diamondback, but I think people seem tp give the limited pool of crits less than it’s worth. I would rank amby basically the same as stock

[@trevorhiggins9980]

It's a revolver that's a good sidegrade to stock but its sad that the diamondback outclasses everything else.

[@vyor8837]

@@gekks5250 the Enforcer is absolutely garbage.

[@gekks5250]

@@vyor8837 do me a favor and equip the enforcer next time your team is unable to push because of a wrangler engie. Or a vaccinator medic. Sure, it's not great relative to all the other options as i laid out in detail in my previous comment, but it certainly has its uses.

[@isaotron]

I've been waiting for this series to come back for a year! So excited it's back. Can't wait to see the next one you do!

[@koblstone6504]

I suggest buffing the YOR by making the backstabbed enemy turn into a spy corpse, to help tricking players that turn around and see a dead spy and a player on their team.

[@bombboy3427]

Then you have the problem of there being a pile of spy corpses if you get a chain stab tho, unless another stat limits how often it happens.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

That would be a debuff, now seeing a dead spy means shoot the person. Otherwise you'd have heard gun shots.

[@showtime6310]

That seems cool but wouldn't people catch onto it pretty quickly, like wouldn't it be super suspicious if a player is standing next to the body of four enemy spies because they got a chain stab.

[@NoSkill_fr]

@@showtime6310 maybe it having a 40% chance or something idk

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

"nice 4 spies died" also nah but they should make it truly silent like the corpse falling and stab noise also make the corpse inta disappear instead of cloaking

[@cron1807]

Remember, the spycicle is basically stock at worst and god tier at best

[@boofr]

is it tho? the spycicle is so bad that any semi-competent pyro can just track you after you activate it even if you use the dr too

[@uncivilizedapricot3907]

At worst it's recharging and you can't use it. At best it's fire resistance that's activated by losing your knife.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

I use it for getting past the defense to go kill teleporters.

[@boofr]

@@ludwigiapilosa508 so its still garbage, you absolutely do not need the spycicle to do that

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

@@boofr no, but it can be the difference between sluffing off a stray fire particle and failure. I don't use it much but it's still decent for that.

[@the_real_57uck2]

I remember back in 2014 i thought you could save a teammate that got backstabbed by an icycle with the pyro lol

[@sauracifer3557]

Thanks for uploading this i even sesrched this up on your channel once bcs of your other great loadout vids

[@bazingamycheeks]

I mean, I think that personally all of the Spy's revolvers are good. Stock is the most reliable; The L'Etranger is best utilized as a tool for cloak management; The Diamondback is broken and weak after you run out of crits; The Enforcer doesn't actually have a damage penalty (only a slower firing speed and no random crits, but it can deal full damage against a Vaccinator Medic or Battalion's Backup Soldier); and The Ambassador can still deal considerable damage (depending on your aim) because the headshot crits are far more reliable than the Diamondback...because the Diamondback's crits you have to work for, whereas with the Amby you simply just have to aim.

[@kazamaki]

Toofty upload???!!! Pog!!

[@Toofty]

Pog me

[@wildman456]

I noticed with a lot of new players that try to pick up spy (so like all of them) they think new unlock automatically means better when in reality spy is arguably best when you don’t even touch his load out

[@OmegaRC59]

Stock is unbelievably flexible, definitely my favorite loadout. I like to alternate between aggressive gunplay and picks to confuse the enemy, and that's just much harder on pretty much every other loadout

[@amebee709]

I've found the l'etrangers damage penalty isn't as punishing as it seems. You can still 3 shot light classes so razorback snipers can still be taken down the same as stock.

[@genghisdingus]

You didn't even consider the spycicle when its literally a direct upgrade from stock.

[@ghostofgralton6859]

Glad to see you back Toofty

[@lokibelowkey4675]

You should keep making these, they're great.

[@SgtFunBun]

i always liked your videos toofty, i can tell just from your editing that you're a sick guy also my spy loadout is all stock except for the part where i only use the red tape recorder

[@drrroden]

5:59 toofty:talking about big earner's benefits me:YO this scouts name is lit

[@Middyman43]

I have been waiting for this for so long

[@LambdaTF2]

The ambassador is actually quite good and the vid linked doesn't really do it justice. 125 and 150hp = 2 shot (3 shot with revolver), also means butterknife + headshot will kill 175 hp = 3 shot with both 200 hp = 3 shot (4 shots with revolver) 300 hp = 5 for both Hitting the first headshot usually isn't too difficult and if you can do this it's an upgrade to stock. Also usually most classes are slightly damaged which usually pushes classes down a damage threshold meaning you get lots of 1 shots on people. Additionally most engagements as spy are within this range where the ambassador is most effective. The video ALSO didn't take into account reload time which would give the ambassador an edge as it gets more damage output per bullet than the normal revolver. If you are in an engagement with multiple people you are more likely to kill them in one clip with the ambassador rather than the revolver. TLDR: If you can land at least one headshot in an engagement ambassador is better at close range.

[@vyor8837]

2 headshots kills every non-overhealed class in the game baring Heavy too, which is just insane.

[@thebotanist7145]

My favorite loadout, for I kinda list interest in the backstabbing idea behind spy: Gunspy Strange Revolver with a clever name (Mine is Lucky Luke) Spy-cicle (Only for Medic drops or big targets like heavies, also for surivivability against Pyros) Sapper and Disguisekit (Duh) Dead Ringer (Survivability and Fooling)

[@gekks5250]

Glad to see Dr. Enforcicle still lives on in some players lol

[@thebotanist7145]

@@gekks5250 Oh, uh, I use Stock Revolver but- I like that name

[@gekks5250]

@@thebotanist7145 oh, i kinda meant how your load out is basically just Dr enforcicle post enforcer nerf lol mb

[@ItsMeLarky]

Gunspy is hilariously fun to use - I have a friend that named his strange revolver "the power of John lives in me" (which is a reference to elmaxo's video 'Gun Spy Unleashed') and already has a ton of kills xD Gunspy is honestly just super fun Not to mention the fat critical hits the revolver can do lol

[@thebotanist7145]

@@ItsMeLarky Oh yes, the random crits~ It's one of the many reasons why I called my Revolver Lucky Luke. *sigh* I wish it was the true and original one, for I got my first scammed a couple years ago.

[@scpOrigami]

Fun Fact, and I discovered this a while ago but told nobody. The enforcer, believe it or not, doesn't require you to be fully disguised for the damage bonus. If you spam the previous disguise key 'b' by default, you do the extra damage on every shot as long as you repeatedly press it.

[@samsungpower6490]

No that was patched a week after the change

[@headexplodeshelp]

Cloak and dagger + Lestrange + best trolling loadout ever

[@Ardith_Prime]

I like the red tape because an engine can usually repeat sapper damage if they remove it fast. But losing a level on a sentry or a dispenser right before a push can really affect it.

[@stabbyman8176]

No way is the enforcer in the same rank as the Ambassador

[@CHEH_tf]

I still dont understand how valve can let the amby down for 5 years

[@TwigEater67]

The YER is nice since it almost reverses spys shtick of "the class is harder to play the better your opponents are" because of all the mentioned perks and the fact that acting as the other team is made so much easier and more satisfying. In my opinion it's the coolest spy knife even if it's probably the worst

[@xtacticalnukex4]

your eternal reward, letrange, cloak dagger and Red tape recorder for the ultimate sneak set

[@tylazermk8271]

My personal favorite most of the time is the Kunai + either the dead ringer or the cloak and dagger. If I use the cloak and dagger, I use the L'tranger, and if I use the dead ringer I usually use the stock pistol.

[@hammer747]

7:06 golden pan: ... 9:44 Enthusiast's Timepiece: ...

[@zinkerzanker68]

I do enjoy Your Eternal Reward with Diamondback and Dead Ringer. I disguise as someone before I leave spawn, start stabbing people, and if I think I’m about to get sussed out, I activate dead ringer and look for heals before doing it all again. Diamondback is just there for when I need to shoot, as that way I will usually have crits built up.

[@denifnaf5874]

Cloak and dagger with red tape recorder Makes the engineers go mental trying to find me after i downgraded everything😂

[@enderchau954]

Cloak and Dagger has one hidden talent,Its that you could back into a few corners when the enemy chases you down.Knowing that they calmed down and you are still in the area,you could strike again without wasting your time.And people won't even realize that you have the cloak and dagger.

[@kitkup8570]

Personally I believe the Spyicicle to be a straight upgrade from stock, aslong as you're confident in your ability to use the gun, which you really should be, it really has no downside.

[@notgray88]

and it recharges almost instantly after getting ammo, so if you know the map you can have your knife back in 4-5 seconds anyways

[@sultankebab1587]

The problem is that you cant really fight Pyros close range. With the stock knife you can easily trickstab a pyro but jot with the spycicle.

[@hamstercow6219]

The enforcer can be quite useful for wrangled sentries if you can't get into the nest, and the slower fire speed is only a drawback in close range since it helps with the after shot accuracy penalty

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

situational also just stab and sap

[@JessicaMorgani]

The skirmisher spy loadout gives me the best "rogue from D&D" experience. Kunai, dead ringer, aimbassador and red tape recorder (yes battle engies are scary) The idea is to find situations where you can interact with people who are already in a fight to get a few kills before dying, essentially taking spy from a class that gets one pick to a class that can clear an area as long as he thinks before shooting.

[@Goddamndan200]

When he goes over the 25 less hp on the big earner, he brings up down time... The kunai has that but worse

[@kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtve9118]

This is the first time I saw someone put the diamondback in s tier because everybody else complained about it being to op

[@EnderLord99]

Irish person who grows a specific type of ancient grain when the silo burns down: "Oh no! Mi spelt!"

[@getshrekt6933]

the enforcer is meta in highlander I think because it ignores wrangler shield making it a really good sentry sniper

[@mr.typ0603]

I think for a pro spy, (that's an important thing to mention, by the way) the best loadout would be Kunai, Stock Sapper, Dead Ringer, and Diamondback. The Kunai would help you get somewhat consistent health, along with Diamondback crits. Stock Sapper is better than the Red Tape because it's quicker-- more crits for the Diamondback. And the Kunai's less health would be cancelled out by the Dead Ringer allowing you to tank damage. Solid video, though.

[@DinoPon3]

Its so funny, i only use the Spicicle because of the sound it makes when you stab and the fact players turn into ice statues

[@A_Weed_Naturally]

Personally i actually really like the red tape recorder, most engies WILL destroy sappers, and in that situation youll make a bigger difference lowering the level of a sentry and forcing them to put 200 metal into it again rather than 20 to 100

[@nintendubs2265]

I’m a diamondback-eternal reward-invis watch guy. Silent kills and automatic disguises help with chainstabs, and each stab in that chain adds a crit

[@jasonlipscomb123]

I agree with you other than the spycicle sometimes. It has saved me in many situations.

[@TitusX49]

“Worth his weight in croissants” Well, those are pastries are quite light and airy…

[@BlueDragoon97]

Great video! Sniper next?

[@RuthlessDarknes5]

Please continue this series

[@DemoknightIsBest-true]

The good thing about the diamondback for me is its hidden attribute; you remember what you need to do as spy to help your team in order to get more damage with your gun

[@Spectre6884]

Actually its either The Cloak and Dagger or Inivis Watch(Dont use the dead ringer it drains too fast and youll need the L’Etranger if you want some cloak duration and also it has loud decloak)

[@Gabriel_-_-_]

0:09 Looking foward to getting that loadout

[@aegis7636]

I use Diamondback - Your Eternal Reward - Dead Ringer - Stock sapper. It almost always guarantees me 15 kills on my first life as spy, driving the people who I do target absolutely insane while everybody who I don't target is completely oblivious to my existence.

[@mister_r447]

I prefer clock and dagger (with the revolver that adds more invisivility) since with the stock watch you can't wait for the perfect moment to decloak and it might run out in a terrible place. I do wish it had more charge tough.

[@hxyri]

6:40 are we not going to talk about this backstab

[@TheeLeTonzy]

Ah, good ol Toofty.

[@popcultureprogrammer2171]

My fave loadout is kunai + letranger + C&D. letranger makes C&D just stock, but you can wait in one spot, which helps get your first stab w/kunai. With enough movement techniques up your sleeve, you are just as effective (if not more) than a DR spy, simply because you can cloak on demand. I think it is the de-facto pub-stomp loadout for knife-centric spies, which, lets be honest, is all but like five. If there's a lot of large ammo packs, I will switch it for stock, though. I use DR primarily when being spawn camped, or when the entire enemy team is obviously full of free noobs to farm hp from

[@Chuvachonok72]

I think you should do demonstration weapons in game. For newbies it's gonna be very useful.

[@OverlordNix]

the day i found out the spy-cicle does the melting sound to the enemy team as well was the day i stopped using it. There's no point to trying to try to outsmart a pyro via disguising and then not getting burned by him because the pyro still hears the spy-cicle melt. The only use for it is gunspy. The big earner and the kunai are both valid sidegrades to stock, i prefer both to stock personally but that's because I enjoy the high highs of backstabs. My two builds are diamondback,kunai and stock invis, and l'etranger, big earner and dead ringer. I don't use the amby because holy shit aiming with it is pain, and sometimes i use the stock revolver for shits and giggles. The YER is by far the worst knife, simply because of the cloak drain. It was better when it didn't have the cloak penalty and you couldn't disguise with it.

[@captainlk9611]

1:18 oh hey, it's me! Wait no, a spy!

[@cementos7922]

the cloak and dagger is supreme. always invisible = super sneaky

[@HANKSANDY69420]

*_Agree._*

[@Ryynari]

The lower firing speed on the enforcer oddly helps me aim

[@sleeping_monkey]

9:20 Technically speaking, it'd be +18% damage.

[@Slithering-Pyro]

My personal loadout for Spy is Revolver, Dead-ringer and Spy-cicle. I play a much more front-line/team oriented Spy who aids in fights and picks off weakened targets and protects flanks from classes like Scout and Pyro. The stock Revolver does some serious damage if aimed correctly, and the Spy-cicle and Dead-ringer help with survivability against Pyros and otherwise stronger classes. I don't get tons of backstabs but when I do it's often on my way from the enemy's base back to my side of the base so I can keep up the front-line support.

[@fadedmain631]

I used to use the cloak and dagger as well as the YER to troll engie bots in the training mode.

[@cassidy-very-silly]

8:03 is it just me or did this man grow a 3rd hand to reload, bro's unironically on that grustle grustle

[@real_nick1234]

Dude wake up Toofty posted is how I was woken up this morning

[@sirsigmondsamnson7008]

9:49 the man behind your teleporter.. kekekk ngl I really like being usefull and upset some fat men

[@stocksyere]

Enthusiast's Timepiece, aussie knife & aussie amby for for swag effect.

[@bpie_ef3967]

I either run full stack, or stack with the cloak and dagger

[@XxguaxinimxX.]

The Letranger, the Cloak and Dagger, and the spycicle. The best loadout for me!

[@chexgex2834]

6:42 Wow, talk about a stab, holy hell!

[@MBP1918]

I remember when the enforcer the dead ringer and the spycicle were the best

[@unstronzo3517]

The ambassador is good it deserved an a or b why c!?

[@unholy_person]

my one of favorite loudout for spy is: l'etranger big earner stock watch the longer cloak duration allows me to pick better times to strike, once I strike I can very easily chain stabs and when I'm low or I know I can't win this fight I just use the speed and cloak gained back to retreat

[@buprerevengeance]

i run stock with cloak and dagger personally. i've rarely ever tryharded but the few times i do that hasn't done me wrong

[@Blazesoldier]

The ambi is still really good if you can hit your shots, I can’t but its still good

[@skeptic_lemon]

The Ambassador is a very good weapon. It ised to be S tier, but I think it's still at least low A tier.

[@SadItAintSans]

no its probably mid B tier

[@ChineseMusicianGamer]

Pyro will be the most complex of these to do. So dependent on situation, so you're probably looking for what is the most versatile

[@smileyjj3773]

My load out is usually Spicle - some parts are really random so I like to have that safety especially when I get burned from behind they say the ice statues is a downside while I see why because it raises awareness most of the other knife make the enemy yell on death at the stab is very audible so it doesn't change anything, besides I like the statues I have a inside job with a friend saying they're made of diamond not ice also losing the knife mean either run of forces you to use gun more which is useful because it give you more practice and raises your chance of survival by being able to aim better Ambassador- building of what I just mentioned aim is everything with this gun I prefer it for 2 main reasons 1 while the ambassador is mostly weaker if you have a hard time hitting the head the spicicle compliments that by making use gun more so more headshot training and you can headshot when ever unlike the diamond back it's a small difference but last minute headshota saved my life so many times also headshot are just satisfying. Now 2 the main reason... It just looks so fricking cool honestly if I could swap the stock revolver stats with ambi that would be perfect it looks so flashing in all its version I love it Apsap - "Wheatley" Duck watch- because it's a fricking du l watch

[@pseudonymgaming3541]

Stock revolver, spycicle, DR Gun spy, hell yeah

[@macrowolf7]

The Diamondback is obv OP, it needs a tweak, like other weapons.

[@OctoLemon06]

I often see dead ringer spies as a 2 kill streak counts for 1 kill

[@CricetoFunni]

I think a single stat would make the Enforcer worth using and that would be "no random bullet deviation". Even if they took away the resistance piercing. So often I get screwed over by my bullet fucking off into a wall behind the enemy and having a revolver without that annoyance would be amazing.

[@asherhargis-roycroft933]

i use the ambassador/stock with the big earner/stock with the Quäckenbirdt and the normal sapper. usually i will start with the ambassador and big earner, but as the round goes on if im struggling with my low health pool, i will switch to the stock knife. and if im struggling to get headshots i will switch to stock revolver.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

RTR is useful for minis, yes, but also for when the other team has a homewrecker pyro and getting some buildings deleveled is better than nothing. That may or may not involve a suicide mission of throwing yourself at the enemy nests that results in a fiery death.

[@theconfusionman7969]

What if spy had a watch where you could pass through enemies, and fall damage increases your cloak, but the downside is you can't backstab until like 10 seconds after you decloak.

[@WerewolfAlbert]

it would be pretty underpowered, passing trough enemies and refilling clock by self damage would be broken tbh, but having to wait 10 seconds is too much considering how often you decloak, get a backstab, run and cloak again in often 5 to 7 seconds as spy

[@theconfusionman7969]

Yeah I didn't put much thought into it.

[@mikenify5133]

For me, I like playing good ol’ stock spy. I don’t know what it is, but when I use the diamondback with crits, I tend to get nervous and hit less shots. When I use stock, I have godlike aim and hit all my shots, plus that extra damage on stock revolver is a really big difference, instead of killing a scout/spy in med range in 4-5 hits with the diamondback, you kill him in just 3 in med range.

[@JoSephGD]

I'd say that Spy doesn't really have a definitely best loadout, it just comes down to personal preference. Excluding the Enforcer and the Red-Tape Recorder, every single unlock has its fans and, especially between the 3 top knifes and the 4 top revolvers, it comes down to personal preference. Even between the watches, which is pretty one sided for stock, each one has its fans. That's part of the reason why Spy is so fun to play. (Diamondback, Sapper, Knife, C&D)

[@fertolinio9555]

the enforcer haws 1 very specific use case: highlander spy, more specifically anything but offense while against moving targets its worse than any other combat revolver (aka not the l'étranger) its the best weapon against the wrangler which is the only secondary engi uses in highlander and spy is the most effective sentry killer when its protected by a wrangler making its niche effect not only extremly relevant but powerful as well, does it make it better than any other revolver in literally any other situation? no, does it have a role that it does to perfection? yes

[@scarabdust]

My preferred Spy loadout: none, because I don't ever play Spy 😈 I already have enough anxiety when I play and plus, there's usually already four spies anyway.

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

Fr

[@therealspaghetti4430]

My heart always pounds when I'm behind people and I usually fail to get anything done lol

[@ivantan2841]

Waek saus

[@ItsMeLarky]

Same lol If I ever pick Spy I usually just A: "oh god what if I mess up and disappoint my team" *switches off Spy* Or B: *goes Gun Spy mode and trolls*

[@ivantan2841]

@@ItsMeLarky gotta rmb if everyone's shit at spy, you're most likely never gonna be complained at by your team, seeing that nobody has the guts to pull it off except you Everyones too busy playing soldier or pyro and holding down m1...

[@Polish-Phoenician]

As someone who loves the big earner, you quote "95% of the time ur a worst spy" Ur telling me that 95% of ur spy gameplay is uncloaked in the open without a disguise? when ur disguised, u will have 120 effective health, so the only difference is now a huntsman can kill without headshot, only after u stab ur really at 100hp, and u have that speed boost now

[@PixelatedPower555]

In my opinion I think your eternal reward, letranger, and the cloak and dagger is my fav loadout

[@Sperfex]

i personaly like to use stock revolver, dead ringer/cloak and dagger, stock sapper and eternal reward

[@thehandyfamily806]

honesty cloak and dagger seems better because with invis watch you stand still and it still uns out, but not with CaD