TF2 - What's the Best Loadout for Spy?

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[@StickMaster500]

Funny how despite them nerfing the Ambassador because they didn’t want to make Spy into a Sniper, they didn’t nerf the Diamondback even though it’s a much easier version of the Ambassador, especially with the crits having no falloff damage

[@MartinPurathur]

They really ought to

[@wellinthatcasethatsucks]

Apples

[@Ethan11892]

But with the diamondback you have to at least get a few stabs or saps before being able to kill enemies from across the map, which means at absolute minimum 30 - 60 seconds of doing normal spy stuff. With the pre-nerf Ambassador Spies could just leave spawn and head straight to the Sniper battlements and start dominating the enemy team without ever having to do actual spy stuff.

[@mrexists5400]

@@Ethan11892 yeah, diamandback rewards being spy, old ambassador encouraged not being spy

[@r4dbro]

"My favorite class is the spy"

[@listertf2]

9:20 that's such a simple but effective way to compare stock weapons to unlocks (rather than the other way around), i'm surprised i haven't seen other people do this

[@lisathefoolish]

hello lister!

[@orangutanman2470]

"wow theres stats and details about the weapon and you can think about if it's good or not??" " that's so cool why hasnt anyone used their brains before! 🙀😼"

[@spribom2676]

@@orangutanman2470 «simple but effective» «i’m surprised i haven’t seen other people do this» you literally just repeated what he said in monkeebrainlanguage… which fits your name

[@orangutanman2470]

@@spribom2676 my man literally said he hasnt seen other people do this when it's like the main way of figuring out if a weapon is good our not, he's making it sound like reading the stats is unique

[@nickh8711]

@@orangutanman2470 what stats? you know the revolver doesn't actually have +15% damage listed right

[@yaboireptar1246]

I feel like the ambassador is still incredible It turns out a short range character has a short range weapon yet for some reason people exploded when they couldn't snipe anymore

[@DeathofHeavens]

If youre not sniping with the ambasador then its just a worse revolver

[@januszpolak254]

Ambassador sucks because it takes too much skill for such small reward. Its only good use is killing Razorback snipers.

[@matildec.4202]

@@januszpolak254 small reward? 102 instant damage doesn't seem like a small reward imo

[@goldfishthedestroyer3233]

@@matildec.4202 it’s 102 instant if you hit a specific hitbox, then you wait 1.5ish seconds to be able to do that again and by that point the stock revolver is just better damage and amount of times you can deal damage wise.

[@Krivoruchka]

@@goldfishthedestroyer3233 well enemy could be dead by that time 102 damage is a lot and you can dont have to headshot again

[@SirPembertonS.Crevalius]

Always saw the diamond back as a straight upgrade to the revolver. You get free crits for just doing your job as spy.

[@dominikcz198]

Nah, all you have to do is sap one random teleporter on the map and play as sniper. It's simple: Farm crits on new players and punish skilled players for it.

[@celestialowl8865]

@@dominikcz198 That just makes it not consistent

[@tony-te7gd]

@@celestialowl8865 its only inconsistent if your spy gameplay is

[@flaggy185]

I think is somewhat balanced If you fail, well, you lose ur crits

[@celestialowl8865]

@@tony-te7gd No, it's inconsistent because depending on how good/what enviroment you're playing in those crits just aren't feasible. In competitive this gun is next to useless relative to the extra cloak or consistency of other guns

[@Dejsun]

13:38 wait a second its so cute, the engineer trying to save his sentry with the rescue ranger bolts

[@milliondollarmistake]

I don't think the amby is nearly that bad. I watched the video you linked and while the numbers on paper make it out to be terrible the ambassador shines in one very important situation: on demand burst damage at close range. Close range is where Spy is at his weakest. Unless you're some trickstabbing god most classes can kill Spy at close range pretty easily (especially true if random crits are enabled (trickstabbing isn't that effective of a tactic against good players)). Hitting that 102 is really strong, and you only need a quick bodyshot afterwards to kill light classes. And unlike the Diamondback there's no set up or resource to keep track of, there are times where getting those saps and stabs isn't easy which makes the DB dead weight. And if you miss your crit shot then that's just gone forever, now you're fighting for your life with a straight downgrade. Am I saying that the Diamond Back is trash or that the Ambassador is SSSS tier? No the DB is pretty strong and the amby isn't god tier. I'm just saying the amby's niche is a valuable one to help patch one of Spy's many weaknesses so it's probably a solid B tier.

[@drm.himself]

Trickstabbing is extremely hard against good players, I've seen spies with auto-backstab hack do nothing because they're not allowing the trickstab

[@kolinaspronok]

What that I read, you described a revolver side-grade that was kinda busted before it's deserved Nerf?

[@milliondollarmistake]

@@kolinaspronok sorta, the revolver is probably better overall and the diamondback is good too if you do have crits stored up. I'm just making the case that the amby is far from the worst of the worst

[@kolinaspronok]

@@milliondollarmistake oh don't get me wrong, I made a whole comment defending the amby by using statements from both fsoas and zesty Jesus to which I fully agree. People are mad that now the ambassador is on-parr with stock and not a direct upgrade.

[@FriendOfHatkid]

I also think that putting amby next to enforcer, which has much more niche use than amby is dumb. +20% dmg for first shot most of the time not matters, cuz, when you are using the revolver, you either try to finish off enemy that is out of your range, playing gunspy (or spycicle after pyro) or killing snipers with razorback. And, with first, while more dmg may help, you either still 2 shot someone, just as with stock, or you oneshot him cuz he has too low health. And in second case I most often find enemies with low enough hp to be finished with 1 l'etranger shot. Meanwhile, if you are good with hitting amby shots, you may almost entirely remove first case, where enemies are 2 shot with stock, or guarantee that almost all of the encounters will be 2 shotted. And, while piercing resistances is great, there are only 3 most common situations when enemies have resistances. Most common is demoknight. But, if he sees you, he will most likely be pretty full, especially if he is samurai, so no revolver (except for db) will help you, only pray that you can trick-or-facestab him. Second is, much more rarer, vaccinator. But, like, backstab him. And third is batalion's. But, again, better backstab them. More dmg will mostly only matter at super close range, otherwise you will have fall off and won't do max dmg. So, backstab. Fist of steel is also an unlock, but I don't think that you will find so much heavies with it, and if you do, why not backstab them? They can just cycle to get out minigun and shred you with your dmg piercing gun. So, why even bother trying to pierce when you can backstab? And, while yes, you can 2 shot razorback sniper with 1 enhanced and regular shot with enforcer, he might be also low enough to be oneshotted by amby or db. Enforcer is just worthless most of the time, you are using regular revolver but with slower firing speed and no random crits. But amby is also worthless, cuz you can use diamond back. Diamond back is just straight up broken in his concept. So, to not be the most op gun for spy, it needs to be reworked, otherwise it will be too good. And yes, I do think that amby should be at B tier next to yer. It is situational and fun weapon, just as yer.

[@Toofty]

Edit: WARNING THE AMBY IS ACTUALLY GOOD. COMMENTS TOLD ME SO. I lost all my really good Spy footage so I just have to use this instead 👀 What class shall I do next? :)

[@zeboilingwatah7223]

Pyro

[@judebacker145]

Def medic. He's my fav

[@zeboilingwatah7223]

@@judebacker145 Crossbow, stock uber and Uber saw

[@SocknessMonster]

please make a video on killing people with a rock

[@scarabdust]

Demoknight :>

[@double2254]

I wouldn’t consider amby among the worst spy weapons (and no way it’s as bad as the enforcer or red tape). I would consider it on par with the cloak gun (I cannot spell it out) in that B range if tiering things, you are a pick class as spy… you do not care about consistent damage as much as burst your kill key targets and the amby does this for you. Yes you need to get good and headshot and you cannot be diet sniper but the range nerf isn’t as bad as people made it out to be, you are still doing considerable damage at midrange and can do excellent numbers at close range which is where you want to be anyway (just because you can’t meme with the amby anymore doesn’t mean it’s bad guys…)

[@gekks5250]

I don't think the amby (and enforcer) are ranked so low because they are bad weapons, but that everything else is just better. Sure, it has potential for extremely high damage and is useful against razorback snipers, but compared to the others it just falls short. A crit from the diamondback does more damage, doesn't require nearly as much precision, and deals the same amount of damage at any distance. The stock revolver, while it does have less potential dps, will generally kill of an enemy much quicker than the amby unless you have godlike aim (at which point you should just be playing sniper if you're that good) and is generally more reliable. It's not really possible to compare the l'etranger to the amby since they both serve wildly different purposes and really depend on playstyle. I will concede however that the amby is definitely better than the enforcer.

[@mackerel8040]

@@gekks5250 I think that the amby isn’t worse than the other revolvers. It’s more so like a burst > dps sidegrade against stock, and the stranger is hard to rank against the two because it’s main use isn’t for damage. I could agree about the diamondback, but I think people seem tp give the limited pool of crits less than it’s worth. I would rank amby basically the same as stock

[@trevorhiggins9980]

It's a revolver that's a good sidegrade to stock but its sad that the diamondback outclasses everything else.

[@vyor8837]

@@gekks5250 the Enforcer is absolutely garbage.

[@gekks5250]

@@vyor8837 do me a favor and equip the enforcer next time your team is unable to push because of a wrangler engie. Or a vaccinator medic. Sure, it's not great relative to all the other options as i laid out in detail in my previous comment, but it certainly has its uses.

[@koblstone6504]

I suggest buffing the YOR by making the backstabbed enemy turn into a spy corpse, to help tricking players that turn around and see a dead spy and a player on their team.

[@bombboy3427]

Then you have the problem of there being a pile of spy corpses if you get a chain stab tho, unless another stat limits how often it happens.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

That would be a debuff, now seeing a dead spy means shoot the person. Otherwise you'd have heard gun shots.

[@showtime6310]

That seems cool but wouldn't people catch onto it pretty quickly, like wouldn't it be super suspicious if a player is standing next to the body of four enemy spies because they got a chain stab.

[@NoSkill_fr]

@@showtime6310 maybe it having a 40% chance or something idk

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

"nice 4 spies died" also nah but they should make it truly silent like the corpse falling and stab noise also make the corpse inta disappear instead of cloaking

[@cron1807]

Remember, the spycicle is basically stock at worst and god tier at best

[@boofr]

is it tho? the spycicle is so bad that any semi-competent pyro can just track you after you activate it even if you use the dr too

[@uncivilizedapricot3907]

At worst it's recharging and you can't use it. At best it's fire resistance that's activated by losing your knife.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

I use it for getting past the defense to go kill teleporters.

[@boofr]

@@ludwigiapilosa508 so its still garbage, you absolutely do not need the spycicle to do that

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

@@boofr no, but it can be the difference between sluffing off a stray fire particle and failure. I don't use it much but it's still decent for that.

[@the_real_57uck2]

I remember back in 2014 i thought you could save a teammate that got backstabbed by an icycle with the pyro lol

[@scpOrigami]

Fun Fact, and I discovered this a while ago but told nobody. The enforcer, believe it or not, doesn't require you to be fully disguised for the damage bonus. If you spam the previous disguise key 'b' by default, you do the extra damage on every shot as long as you repeatedly press it.

[@samsungpower6490]

No that was patched a week after the change

[@getshrekt6933]

the enforcer is meta in highlander I think because it ignores wrangler shield making it a really good sentry sniper

[@bazingamycheeks]

I mean, I think that personally all of the Spy's revolvers are good. Stock is the most reliable; The L'Etranger is best utilized as a tool for cloak management; The Diamondback is broken and weak after you run out of crits; The Enforcer doesn't actually have a damage penalty (only a slower firing speed and no random crits, but it can deal full damage against a Vaccinator Medic or Battalion's Backup Soldier); and The Ambassador can still deal considerable damage (depending on your aim) because the headshot crits are far more reliable than the Diamondback...because the Diamondback's crits you have to work for, whereas with the Amby you simply just have to aim.

[@wildman456]

I noticed with a lot of new players that try to pick up spy (so like all of them) they think new unlock automatically means better when in reality spy is arguably best when you don’t even touch his load out

[@OmegaRC59]

Stock is unbelievably flexible, definitely my favorite loadout. I like to alternate between aggressive gunplay and picks to confuse the enemy, and that's just much harder on pretty much every other loadout

[@amebee709]

I've found the l'etrangers damage penalty isn't as punishing as it seems. You can still 3 shot light classes so razorback snipers can still be taken down the same as stock.

[@LambdaTF2]

The ambassador is actually quite good and the vid linked doesn't really do it justice. 125 and 150hp = 2 shot (3 shot with revolver), also means butterknife + headshot will kill 175 hp = 3 shot with both 200 hp = 3 shot (4 shots with revolver) 300 hp = 5 for both Hitting the first headshot usually isn't too difficult and if you can do this it's an upgrade to stock. Also usually most classes are slightly damaged which usually pushes classes down a damage threshold meaning you get lots of 1 shots on people. Additionally most engagements as spy are within this range where the ambassador is most effective. The video ALSO didn't take into account reload time which would give the ambassador an edge as it gets more damage output per bullet than the normal revolver. If you are in an engagement with multiple people you are more likely to kill them in one clip with the ambassador rather than the revolver. TLDR: If you can land at least one headshot in an engagement ambassador is better at close range.

[@vyor8837]

2 headshots kills every non-overhealed class in the game baring Heavy too, which is just insane.

[@hammer747]

7:06 golden pan: ... 9:44 Enthusiast's Timepiece: ...

[@TwigEater67]

The YER is nice since it almost reverses spys shtick of "the class is harder to play the better your opponents are" because of all the mentioned perks and the fact that acting as the other team is made so much easier and more satisfying. In my opinion it's the coolest spy knife even if it's probably the worst

[@isaotron]

I've been waiting for this series to come back for a year! So excited it's back. Can't wait to see the next one you do!

[@headexplodeshelp]

Cloak and dagger + Lestrange + best trolling loadout ever

[@skeptic_lemon]

The Ambassador is a very good weapon. It ised to be S tier, but I think it's still at least low A tier.

[@SadItAintSans]

no its probably mid B tier

[@enderchau954]

Cloak and Dagger has one hidden talent,Its that you could back into a few corners when the enemy chases you down.Knowing that they calmed down and you are still in the area,you could strike again without wasting your time.And people won't even realize that you have the cloak and dagger.

[@kitkup8570]

Personally I believe the Spyicicle to be a straight upgrade from stock, aslong as you're confident in your ability to use the gun, which you really should be, it really has no downside.

[@notgray88]

and it recharges almost instantly after getting ammo, so if you know the map you can have your knife back in 4-5 seconds anyways

[@sultankebab1587]

The problem is that you cant really fight Pyros close range. With the stock knife you can easily trickstab a pyro but jot with the spycicle.

[@genghisdingus]

You didn't even consider the spycicle when its literally a direct upgrade from stock.

[@aegis7636]

I use Diamondback - Your Eternal Reward - Dead Ringer - Stock sapper. It almost always guarantees me 15 kills on my first life as spy, driving the people who I do target absolutely insane while everybody who I don't target is completely oblivious to my existence.

[@nintendubs2265]

I’m a diamondback-eternal reward-invis watch guy. Silent kills and automatic disguises help with chainstabs, and each stab in that chain adds a crit

[@theconfusionman7969]

What if spy had a watch where you could pass through enemies, and fall damage increases your cloak, but the downside is you can't backstab until like 10 seconds after you decloak.

[@WerewolfAlbert]

it would be pretty underpowered, passing trough enemies and refilling clock by self damage would be broken tbh, but having to wait 10 seconds is too much considering how often you decloak, get a backstab, run and cloak again in often 5 to 7 seconds as spy

[@theconfusionman7969]

Yeah I didn't put much thought into it.

[@thedalekditto15]

The ambassador is up in b tier. The diamondback is a dumber and better version of it, However, the ambassadors theoretically higher dps of the stock I’d say doesn’t matter all to much. Because in the end, spy isn’t nor capable of being a dps class, he is a pick class who wants to minimize the time they are noticeable, so having those meatier revolver shots to more often kill in one or at most two shots, instead of a 2,3 and at absolute most in actual gameplay 4. I’d say this makes it better for a lot of situations where you need a slightly safer pick. The Crit fall of in these situations where you are in flanks already isn’t much of a factor,. In these situations it can even outdo the the diamondback, or just equal because these are times where you couldn’t get a stab. In other words, while technically stock can output more damage, if you have half decent aim the ambassador expands what the spy can accomplish, and it’s weaknesses can be a small problem, but are less common for spy’s general role. Which I would say makes it up with the stack and letranje

[@Goddamndan200]

When he goes over the 25 less hp on the big earner, he brings up down time... The kunai has that but worse

[@JoSephGD]

I'd say that Spy doesn't really have a definitely best loadout, it just comes down to personal preference. Excluding the Enforcer and the Red-Tape Recorder, every single unlock has its fans and, especially between the 3 top knifes and the 4 top revolvers, it comes down to personal preference. Even between the watches, which is pretty one sided for stock, each one has its fans. That's part of the reason why Spy is so fun to play. (Diamondback, Sapper, Knife, C&D)

[@kazamaki]

Toofty upload???!!! Pog!!

[@Toofty]

Pog me

[@windlybandibunbrother4670]

Also I think the Cloak and Dagger is the best watch personally, with the enforcer you can kind of play spy gun spy, hide in an area disguising and messing with your opponent but with the forcefully slower gunfight which you choose because you can hide and move anywhere, fun and satisfying

[@scarabdust]

My preferred Spy loadout: none, because I don't ever play Spy 😈 I already have enough anxiety when I play and plus, there's usually already four spies anyway.

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

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[@joester0577]

My heart always pounds when I'm behind people and I usually fail to get anything done lol

[@ivantan2841]

Waek saus

[@ItsMeLarky]

Same lol If I ever pick Spy I usually just A: "oh god what if I mess up and disappoint my team" *switches off Spy* Or B: *goes Gun Spy mode and trolls*

[@ivantan2841]

@@ItsMeLarky gotta rmb if everyone's shit at spy, you're most likely never gonna be complained at by your team, seeing that nobody has the guts to pull it off except you Everyones too busy playing soldier or pyro and holding down m1...

[@sleeping_monkey]

9:20 Technically speaking, it'd be +18% damage.

[@Gabriel_-_-_]

0:09 Looking foward to getting that loadout

[@captainlk9611]

1:18 oh hey, it's me! Wait no, a spy!

[@cementos7922]

the cloak and dagger is supreme. always invisible = super sneaky

[@HANKSANDY69420]

*_Agree._*

[@blacklight683]

As a guy who plays spy for 200h the best loadout is L'Etranger ,knife ,stock watch or clock&dagger

[@Ardith_Prime]

I like the red tape because an engine can usually repeat sapper damage if they remove it fast. But losing a level on a sentry or a dispenser right before a push can really affect it.

[@nowone_bruh]

The diamond back The eternal reward The sapper The cloak and dagger

[@XxguaxinimxX.]

The Letranger, the Cloak and Dagger, and the spycicle. The best loadout for me!

[@pseudonymgaming3541]

Stock revolver, spycicle, DR Gun spy, hell yeah

[@TitusX49]

“Worth his weight in croissants” Well, those are pastries are quite light and airy…

[@unstronzo3517]

The ambassador is good it deserved an a or b why c!?

[@bpie_ef3967]

I either run full stack, or stack with the cloak and dagger

[@MBP1918]

I remember when the enforcer the dead ringer and the spycicle were the best

[@macrowolf7]

The Diamondback is obv OP, it needs a tweak, like other weapons.

[@tylazermk8271]

My personal favorite most of the time is the Kunai + either the dead ringer or the cloak and dagger. If I use the cloak and dagger, I use the L'tranger, and if I use the dead ringer I usually use the stock pistol.

[@buprerevengeance]

i run stock with cloak and dagger personally. i've rarely ever tryharded but the few times i do that hasn't done me wrong

[@npc_blob1609]

I don't see how spycicle isn't just a straight upgrade. The periods of times where you can't stab because your knife is recharging are... instances where you'd be dead otherwise because it means it let you escape from a Pyro... and those periods are the only downside right?

[@claypots1773]

13:00 don't worry I am still watching.

[@Slithering-Pyro]

My personal loadout for Spy is Revolver, Dead-ringer and Spy-cicle. I play a much more front-line/team oriented Spy who aids in fights and picks off weakened targets and protects flanks from classes like Scout and Pyro. The stock Revolver does some serious damage if aimed correctly, and the Spy-cicle and Dead-ringer help with survivability against Pyros and otherwise stronger classes. I don't get tons of backstabs but when I do it's often on my way from the enemy's base back to my side of the base so I can keep up the front-line support.

[@MothMan-dh9xq]

I think it’s hilarious how he never actually brings up the downside of the spycicle.

[@MothMan-dh9xq]

Spy Mains: Wait you are telling me you genuinely believe the Spycicle is a good weapon? Me: Yes and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.

[@thehandyfamily806]

honesty cloak and dagger seems better because with invis watch you stand still and it still uns out, but not with CaD

[@colby2420]

The worst spy Load out is the enforcer Your eternal reward Cloak and dagger Red tape recorder

[@Pottoff]

My favorite loadout is The cloak and Dagger, Spycicle, and L'etranger. I personally like a more passive play style, and this suits it quite well.

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

l'etranger also r/imnotlikeothergirls

[@aanproduction1516]

"amby is bad because it is not better than stock" moment, opinion can't be taken seriously

[@Toofty]

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything remotely close to that :)

[@Toofty]

ah I think I know where you got this from. I said 'Amby is worse than stock' and I also put it low on the tier list. These two things were'nt directly related. The ranking on the tier list is just based on general research (as with most stuff in this video as I've not got a lot of hours on Spy) but based on the response to this video looks like that research might be misinformed, a lot of people are saying it's good.

[@aanproduction1516]

@@Toofty Okay, I kinda joking, when I typed "opinion can't be taken seriously", but anyway, i think you placed amby too low, it's a good sidegrade.

[@sirsigmondsamnson7008]

9:49 the man behind your teleporter.. kekekk ngl I really like being usefull and upset some fat men

[@monke3842]

the Ambassador isn't bad at all, a good spy with the Ambassador can still be really infuriating, I think that you should watch Fish on a stick's video on the Ambassador

[@Spectre6884]

Actually its either The Cloak and Dagger or Inivis Watch(Dont use the dead ringer it drains too fast and youll need the L’Etranger if you want some cloak duration and also it has loud decloak)

[@Gunkers]

2:41 I love how he gets a guide on how to pronounce it only for it to pronounce it wrong. It's pronounce La Tranj

[@drrroden]

5:59 toofty:talking about big earner's benefits me:YO this scouts name is lit

[@hxyri]

6:40 are we not going to talk about this backstab

[@nylonzero9048]

I personally enjoy using the Ambassador, since it forces me to be good with aiming. Helps me actually get better at the game.

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

niko aint a furry its only the hat lol

[@nylonzero9048]

@@badqualityhiman-qw9gl ...Okay? I don't care-

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

nice u replied fast but its just a fun fact chill not that deep

[@nylonzero9048]

@@badqualityhiman-qw9gl I am chill, lol.

[@cassidy-very-silly]

8:03 is it just me or did this man grow a 3rd hand to reload, bro's unironically on that grustle grustle

[@YourYoungGDYter]

For me? The Spy-cicle, Letranger, and dead ringer with the normal sapper, I’m making subclass's, this is PyroMare. (Also the cloak and dagger works, sure the dead ringer is just a “IM A DEAD RINGER SPY LOK MY DEAD RINGER RAN OUT” But you become faster then scout. And I’m aware of the typos.)

[@demomancerzv9036]

Mine is stock revolver, dead ringer, and spy-cicle. Revolver to kill, spy-cicle to run from pyros, dead ringer is if spy-cicle didn't helped

[@DaemonWorx]

Me and my boyfriend call the Cloak and Dagger the “Cloak and Do Nothing” but it’s even funnier as it’s my most uses watch

[@davidnewhart2533]

Does anyone find it ironically funny that the R-T.R. is better against mini-sentries than regular ones even though it's whole thing is de-upgrading sentries?

[@davidmonheim21]

Anytime you ask "what's the best loadout for x in TF2" the answer is virtually always stock....except for that period of time when the ironbomber was bugged making it a straight upgrade

[@LuigiGamingLounge]

I've found that on the Enforcer, it's actually pretty good if you get into the habit of ALWAYS being disguised, even mid-fight. Just press the B key, and in a few seconds you have an increased power bullet. Now, I don't play a lot of Spy, but I've also heard from other people that the Enforcer used this way isn't bad at all, far from C tier. But then again, I only have 350 Hours in TF2 anyway, what do I know lol.

[@Bungasgaming]

I think spycicle cynergizes better with the diamondback, since once you backstab someone you tend to be in a lot of trouble and at that point a trickstab is really hard, so it can save your life from that one single phlog pyro

[@mr.typ0603]

I think for a pro spy, (that's an important thing to mention, by the way) the best loadout would be Kunai, Stock Sapper, Dead Ringer, and Diamondback. The Kunai would help you get somewhat consistent health, along with Diamondback crits. Stock Sapper is better than the Red Tape because it's quicker-- more crits for the Diamondback. And the Kunai's less health would be cancelled out by the Dead Ringer allowing you to tank damage. Solid video, though.

[@Rilux9000]

Me using l’stranger and the dead ringer: what 20 seconds?

[@chexgex2834]

6:42 Wow, talk about a stab, holy hell!

[@Ripheart789]

Pyro will be the most complex of these to do. So dependent on situation, so you're probably looking for what is the most versatile

[@Meddling_Mage]

how dare you rank the ambassador in the same tier as enforcer...directly to the shadow realm.

[@OverlordNix]

the day i found out the spy-cicle does the melting sound to the enemy team as well was the day i stopped using it. There's no point to trying to try to outsmart a pyro via disguising and then not getting burned by him because the pyro still hears the spy-cicle melt. The only use for it is gunspy. The big earner and the kunai are both valid sidegrades to stock, i prefer both to stock personally but that's because I enjoy the high highs of backstabs. My two builds are diamondback,kunai and stock invis, and l'etranger, big earner and dead ringer. I don't use the amby because holy shit aiming with it is pain, and sometimes i use the stock revolver for shits and giggles. The YER is by far the worst knife, simply because of the cloak drain. It was better when it didn't have the cloak penalty and you couldn't disguise with it.

[@accidentallyskilled]

I call my loadout: The Grand Saboteur. It consists of the Diamondback, YER, CnD and RTR. You just abuse engies

[@mccoolfriend6818]

Thats why the big earner is broken it has a -25 hp bug agreed

[@OctoLemon06]

I often see dead ringer spies as a 2 kill streak counts for 1 kill

[@Sperfex]

i personaly like to use stock revolver, dead ringer/cloak and dagger, stock sapper and eternal reward

[@hamstercow6219]

The enforcer can be quite useful for wrangled sentries if you can't get into the nest, and the slower fire speed is only a drawback in close range since it helps with the after shot accuracy penalty

[@badqualityhiman-qw9gl]

situational also just stab and sap

[@universe1822]

Personally I use the ap-sap, the clock and dager, diamond back, and the big earner

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

Man really calling the Ambassador bad. “Why would you want DPS as a pick class?” - FSOAS

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

I hardly ever use stock knife. No silent kill, no speed and cloak boost, no get out of pyro jail free card, no health boost. It's not bad, but those other things are just so useful.

[@Ind0nesiannationalteamgoated]

Tell me you are a spy main without telling me you are a spy main: Amby Kunai Dead ringer Charmers chapeau Lady killer

[@s.k4713]

The best spy loadout is found on the class selection screen where you can pick better spy (aka sniper)

[@CricetoFunni]

I think a single stat would make the Enforcer worth using and that would be "no random bullet deviation". Even if they took away the resistance piercing. So often I get screwed over by my bullet fucking off into a wall behind the enemy and having a revolver without that annoyance would be amazing.

[@mateuszmarciniak2828]

Deadringer is the weakest, most predictable watch and it absolutely blows my mind that people still fall for it.

[@boi_oil]

The one thing I do like about the Dead Ringer is that it forces the Spy to learn how to be stealthy without being invisible, whether that is choosing good routes to take to get behind the enemy, or acting as an enemy better.

[@OisirM]

That is a good point and one that I don't see brought up very often. In general, the Dead Ringer just prioritizes different aspects of playing the spy. I've never particularly liked the argument that it's a braindead weapon that gives a broken benefit with no effort, because well... if someone is so ineffective at spy that they're not even going to sell the fake death, or pull it out at the first sign of trouble, what are the odds they're going to do something productive with their get-out-of-jail card? But people that are actually good at using the Dead Ringer, well, they've mastered figuring out how an enemy would act in that precise situation, they can read a fight well enough to fake the death when it would be believable, and their knowledge of the map is pretty crucial to both effectively choosing engagement routes, and escape routes. Those are not trivial things to learn.

[@boi_oil]

I agree 200%

[@deputyrook6232]

stock knife, cloak & dagger because i'm very patient, and either the diamondback, the l'etranger to help get to the backline faster, or the Ambassador when i've managed to sleep 9 hours in a row.

[@mike5133-u5s]

For me, I like playing good ol’ stock spy. I don’t know what it is, but when I use the diamondback with crits, I tend to get nervous and hit less shots. When I use stock, I have godlike aim and hit all my shots, plus that extra damage on stock revolver is a really big difference, instead of killing a scout/spy in med range in 4-5 hits with the diamondback, you kill him in just 3 in med range.

[@andyliu5842]

Wow, for once I see a fricken crazy good guy at spy who DOESN'T "facestab".

[@A_Weed_Naturally]

Personally i actually really like the red tape recorder, most engies WILL destroy sappers, and in that situation youll make a bigger difference lowering the level of a sentry and forcing them to put 200 metal into it again rather than 20 to 100

[@GuyFromCanada]

As much as I may dislike the dead ringers more crutch-y attributes, I do admit it is the one thing in spies loadout that does give him a subclass so-to-speak. Because it increases his effective health, it allows spy to be way more aggressive, at the cost of his traditional stealth.

[@exzoti_3401]

I personally use amby stock and the duck wach, the amby can be useful when traversing the map and has technically more crits than the diamond back. Plus it feels way more fair

[@popcultureprogrammer2171]

My fave loadout is kunai + letranger + C&D. letranger makes C&D just stock, but you can wait in one spot, which helps get your first stab w/kunai. With enough movement techniques up your sleeve, you are just as effective (if not more) than a DR spy, simply because you can cloak on demand. I think it is the de-facto pub-stomp loadout for knife-centric spies, which, lets be honest, is all but like five. If there's a lot of large ammo packs, I will switch it for stock, though. I use DR primarily when being spawn camped, or when the entire enemy team is obviously full of free noobs to farm hp from

[@kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtve9118]

This is the first time I saw someone put the diamondback in s tier because everybody else complained about it being to op