TF2's Sentry Guns Are 𝘚𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥

[@SolarLight]

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[@RR-je2re]

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[@MrMiguel211]

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[@KusanaG11]

1 like in 12 hours, bro fell off.

[@mericanboot88]

he cooked omg real??????

[@Yahiamice]

11:31 the mental image of a 300 pound russian man armed with a big freakin minigun just FLYING towards you like a mach 1 fighter jet yet maintaining proper stature as if he's WALKING ON AIR is mind-blowing

[@BrazilianHomestuckian]

"Heavy learned Fly"

[@Zom_bike]

"Heavy wants to learn Fly"

[@SpikeyEnigma]

"The attack was super effective!"

[@rumple78]

Omg yahiamouse

[@Ana_Ng]

1 hp = 1 lb of weight canon

[@spongygames]

They're stupid, but that's the best kind of stupid! The kind that makes you think you can outsmart a sentry, but then forget the short Texan with a shotgun.

[@foodaah]

but sometimes the short texan with a shotgun is either dead,or somewhere else

[@Ban-zx9se]

This is what makes spy so valuable for coordinated pushes

[@GoldenOwl_Game]

“I HAVE… A SHOTGUN!”

[@rqj5502]

"Nobody realizes they're being fooled, because they're too busy laughing AT the fool. That's the pure genius of it." -Finn McMissile

[@davidthecommenter]

"and this... is my BOOMSTICK!"

[@wraithxd2458]

Me: *convincing my team to not solo push a sentry nest* The demoknight:

[@Zanophane_Gaming]

“Who would win, a aimbot sentry or one Scottish man with a sword”

[@theycallmetheslime]

@@Zanophane_Gamingclearly the scottish man.

[@Silverthesonic]

@@theycallmetheslimedepends on skill

[@christophermikiewicz7083]

"Nah, I'd win."

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

​​​@@theycallmetheslime Clearly the one who wins is spy with default cloak, in any way he gets some metal

[@oktayyildirim2911]

10:01 I will never understand salty players who call you bad after dying to you. "You are so bad at this game. That's why you beat me!"

[@NerfPlayeR135]

It's a coping strategy for people with big egos. They can't comprehend that there's someone out there better than them, so they put the blame on literally anyone and anything but themselves. It's a shame, really. If they realized that they were outclassed, they could improve themselves and become better players.

[@Trafficallity]

"You are bad at this game, which is the reason why you killed me. This means i am even worse than you are at the game, and that i have accidentally insulted myself."

[@tashkent561]

Because they put the blame in the loadout, essentially "You are so bad at this game, that you need an overpowered weapon/play style to beat me".

[@tasertag7513]

@@tashkent561 I intentionally do shitty loadouts with these folks. It's less effective, sure, but it's FUN.

[@gratefulgamer7907]

@@tasertag7513 And it means that since you are intentionally nerfing yourself, they can’t blame the fact that you are using a crutch or meta load out. They can certainly try, but they know they are the unskilled one.

[@daniel19465]

6:00 wild that engineer designed his guns to aim for the balls what was this man thinking

[@Trafficallity]

he was thinking about good ideas

[@Skullhawk13]

Uber is stored in the balls.

[@Lucky_cat790]

My scrotums :(

[@khoaitaynuong1062]

@@Skullhawk13 medic is a man, a man takes more damage if something hit the balls

[@paulmichaelpalazolo]

HE WANTS TO BE SURE IT HITS HIS NUTS!!

[@luuk657]

16:13 "2 on his keyboard" had me dying lol

[@survivorofthecurse717]

Unfortunately, same for Demoman

[@Mahfireballs]

Care to explain, I don’t get it.

[@NerfPlayeR135]

@@MahfireballsThe 2 key swaps to your secondary weapon, which in this clip's case is the Engineer's Wrangler.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

"You're a loooooooong way from [place of origin], _boy."_

[@Mahfireballs]

@NerfPlayeR135 Lol I really should have gotten that, but well. Thanks for explaining.

[@lutoma]

My favorite part of the comp clip at 11:32 is the teammate in the background calmly saying "Heavy bombing" in voice chat like it's the most normal thing in the world.

[@theveltoris7161]

"Ah yes The flying Heavy air-support Technic, must alert my team!"

[@talarzwyzimy9963]

Ahahahahahahahahahahah

[@Hellwaterva]

tf was that lmao

[@mishagaming1075]

@@Hellwatervaprobably a very lucky rocket surf (it's when you use an enemy's rocket to rocket jump)

[@shadekage3432]

@@mishagaming1075 It probably WAS a sentry Heavy has a 75% knockback resistance, meaning if you try to rocket surf, you wont get barely any air youd need a sentry to get THAT much air

[@reagansido5823]

I can not imagine how frustrated an Engi might be watching some of these strats get his sentry wreaked. It is looking right at the fricking guy right in front of it, but he's jumping and crouching in a certain way, so it does fuck-all and dies.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

That's why the engineer should be reasonably close by to his sentry, so he can prevent the enemy from using these strategies by using his shotgun or pistol against them, throwing them off rhythm. Alternatively, use the Wrangler and take control of your own sentry gun.

[@godslayer9000]

The 20 revenge crits on my frontier justice

[@quintencornelissen2274]

​@@anon-y8wthat always happens to me lmao

[@slyseal2091]

None of this works if the engi bodyblocks the attacker btw, this strat isn't used because it works inconsistently for scout and only once for everyone else.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

@@slyseal2091 If the engineer bodyblocks the attacker, then chances are he's going to die

[@WalnutBun]

15:21 Scout's mom is going to be very happy tonight

[@ForgillMaster51]

[French ahh laugh + snorts]

[@agentdeltaroblox]

bro 💀

[@lmn_godie2598]

11:33 "Heavy bombing" are words I never thought I would hear

[@DrCoomer_1]

Heavy bomb at mach fuck

[@SirPembertonS.Crevalius]

Only in d e m o k n i g h t TF2 can it be a viable strategy to just CHARGE at a aimbot Sentry and wack it to death.

[@humanharddrive1]

not viable

[@yuanwang9324]

you forgot the jumping and crouching

[@VortexF]

NOT YOU AGAIN,NOT HERE TOO,WHY,GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[@Kirk.Schr0dinger]

Everywhere I go… I see his face…

[@ocaradasmaoladobokunohero]

@@Kirk.Schr0dinger "Everywhere I go... I see his belly..."

[@Pyro-et9vs]

Engineer main here. A lot of these sentry places are around corners or in close quarters places, where enemies can get close to the sentry gun without the sentry even being able to target the enemy until they are right on top of the sentry. Good sentry gun placement not only relies on covering multiple angles of possible entry at (relative) arms length, but also includes a teamwork element. A demoknight charging at a sentry from close range with no one around to shoot the demoman may result in the sentry’s death, but combine the sentry with an engineer, or really any class that can deal knockback, and that demoknight is as good as dead. A sentry is not designed to operate alone. It’s designed to operate as a punisher for overextending players in the backlines.

almost like this is a team based game.

[@andrewgreeb916]

Teamwork in this team game? Wow novel concept

[@theshermantanker7043]

Sentries are also known as fun runners where I'm from

[@PinkMawile]

It’s why I play homewrecker pyro

[@MemeSource.]

🤓

[@vonreign5982]

Holy shit solar talks about the brain damage the sentry has

[@gabex1411]

First comment

[@Wanderer1x1x1]

​@@gabex1411 🥱

[@stickmaster400]

@@gabex1411worst comment

[@asoivel]

Can't have brain damage if you don't have a brain

[@Roxor128]

The _artificial stupidity,_ I think you mean. It's a machine, not some grown organic thing. Ooohhh... There's an idea: a game with organic entities that mechanically act as sentry guns.

[@Ten_smil]

5:55 can we just talk about that the sentry was aiming at the medics balls real quick?

[@Trafficallity]

engie coded them to hit it where it hurts

[@Monk_from_RainWorld]

​@@Trafficallitytrue

[@oldieal7032]

Aiming at the Medick.

[@Skullhawk13]

Trying to stop the Über before he pops it

[@Oxygen1004]

@@Skullhawk13 When you Über but she keeps pushing

[@Trafficallity]

10:55 how freaking rare is that death message

[@SolarLight]

custom hud stuff

[@mamanimepranknewbie]

😅2a

[@brofelsum]

why is your name solar light ​@@SolarLight

[@ConeBoi47]

​@@brofelsumbecause he wants it like this and his PFP is a _sun_ but with a demoman face

[@Neogears1312]

9:23 man really found away to make that “destroyed dispenser for charge” thing real & applicable to show the ppl that took him too literally. That’s true craftsmanship.

[@DocSauce-dl5gg]

00:23 Never thought I would relate to a sentry gun that bad.

[@This-is-not-K]

Maybe I am a sentry but with bad aim

[@Kritzomega]

"you are powerfull when you ain't stupid" Me idk lol

[@Kolukie]

6:01 that medic must be extremely afraid due to the sentry aimed directly at his crotch. You hire great actors.

[@Pudding404]

Demoknight's neuron activation seeing a sentry. *"I can milk you."* Don't be too harsh on the sentries, they were born literally just a couple minutes ago.

[@Shaquiifa]

Me, as a Medic, desperately trying to get my team to look at the Sentry above us.

[@ghotifish1838]

sentry ahead!

[@Hand-to-handWombatCombat]

It's even worse if you're a f2p

[@wilsonweiseng6485]

@@Hand-to-handWombatCombat necessary sacrifices are inevitable

[@Clicepoly]

Text communication is not available for this account

[@vitaleriof]

me, a secondary character, dying a painful death to show the protagonists where the threat is:

[@bakubaku4333]

Sentries rely on people thinking theyre scarier than they really are, Pyro works the same way as well. They both win when you avoid them, but they both lose when you rush them down.

[@louminouz]

engineer is basically the epitome of teamwork since a lone sentry gun is fairly easy to take down but when its right behind the team as support fire where its actually supposed to be with teammates distracting fire away from it its really good

[@thewolfstu]

Lmao, real. Something I try to teach people who wanna learn spy is that when it comes to Pyro, it's heavily dependent on range and you are better off just giving some space and nailing it from afar.. *especially since you can not sap a pyro or circle past their aim.* Well, you can circle past their aim if they don't lead their flames, but yee. lol But on any other class? Yeah, just, ya' know, shoot em. lol

[@711_skiddlz]

It's always fun when I two tap a pyro as scout, validates the attempts that failed because I can't aim

[@Greenlog12]

​@thewolfstu as they say: SPY HAS A GUN!

[@xanmontes8715]

It's the outlier pyros that are scary. The ones that know the class inside and out. Those pyros... They scare me.

[@able_archer01]

13:44 The Darwin's Danger Shield: The hard counter to Pyro for a class that already soft counters Pyros

[@This-is-not-K]

And now you know why I always have a shotgun as pyro

[@KetsutuoRD94]

​@@This-is-not-K this works because even if a sniper headshots you, you still have 25hp left and enough time to shoot him twice and kill him :) (Unless it's the huntsman, then good luck)

[@bluedogz1624]

Pro gamer tip: the new Jungle Inferno flame particles are opaque and can block snipers sightlines. Fire erratically to make their job harder

[@tappajaav]

@@bluedogz1624 Pro gamer tip: Press [NOT BOUND] to switch from pyro to another class!

[@kirbs_3378]

Funny that he talked bout that and not the shields doing the exact same thing and even worse since of demos higher hp

[@Mabra51]

11:31 That flying Heavy clip is so funny.

[@shythespider5126]

"Heavy bombing" he said like its a normal occasion

[@Walmartbag-tb2no]

Heavy when he realizes you took his sandvich

[@BPKPhoenix]

"WHO TOUCH MY SASHA?!" _Y33Ts himself at desired victim_

[@malo9792]

*2 On his K E Y B O A R D* Fuckin got me

[@BrambleBones-ec5mm]

Sent me lol

[@shaxxmeer]

genuinely the funniest event in a video

[@misti_tf2]

6:00 Brilliant design of Engie, taught his sentries to shoot where it hurts

[@haiphong-ongthebee2424]

at their b@lls

[@theboi7475]

10:14 “my team needs me guys, sorry”

[@shoelace5977]

btw what i like most about this vid is that as a spy main for almost 10 years(my goodness...) i obviously know of sentry turn speed, but i was still caught off guard when you charged the gun when it was turned only 45° away from you and still close the distance by playing smart. love your stuff man.

[@nintendosegafan4935]

16:17 time to grab the enforcer

[@chris2857j]

1 on his keyboard

[@william3371]

@@chris2857j 3 + 2 on MY keyboard >:)

[@VincentValentineFF7]

at 12:20 when the scout loses at rps, the bird flies out of his gibbed corpse. Solarlight, was just trying to do a bit but accidentally recorded one of the rarest things in the game by accident.

[@TARDISES]

"Archimedes?"

[@NerfPlayeR135]

That's a 1/100 chance, if I remember correctly.

[@black97_0]

16:12 ah yeah, dusbowl last Red team: 10+ fucking sentries Blue demo: equips Lock and Load Red engine: "That's a nice counter you got there. Would be a shame if someone pressed 2 on their keyboard"

[@sermer6659]

10 Blue demo's with Lock and Load:

[@filipfriday]

6:01 Don’t be a baby, balls grow back! (They don’t.)

[@Its_bloon.yt2011]

Unless you’re the medic!

[@boinqity4621]

10:43 the ultra rare heavy rampslide

[@malikar_8623]

"TWO ON HIS KEYBOARD" is just an eldritch incantation at this point

[@korosoid]

The entire video was made for these scenes. But it's a bullshit, because author ignoring latency.

[@Brown95P]

@14:13 Is that... is that the Fortress Forever menu music? D00d, that took me back like 6+ years.

[@TheDeLiXx]

Fighting sentries as a demoknight only really works if they're unattended though. All that needs to happen is for the enemy engineer to body block or knock you back a bit and you're inevitably dead. Even then it's usually so much of a hassle and gamble that switching classes/playstyles makes more sense the more and better engineers on the enemy team there are.

[@load-bearingcoconut5586]

Yeah, this is my problem with the point Solar's trying to make, too. It never actually seems worth it to go through this process as Demoknight. Hell, even in the clips where he *does* destroy the Sentry and kill its engineer, by the time he's done so, he's at low enough health that just about anyone else on the enemy team can waltz up and kill him in one shot.

[@pieynot9084]

@@load-bearingcoconut5586 This strategy only really works on inexperienced engineer players. It's very easy to counter this by just shooting them with your primary to throw them off course. Unless the engineer is trying to farm revenge crits by placing it in a sneaky spot, the engineer running levels will be by his gun more often than not.

[@curtisleblanc5897]

*presses 2*

[@nutsinmabasket]

I really love how well this video came out, it makes me feel like I'm watching Shounic, Uncle Dane, and Solar all at the same time

[@kapa_nitori]

solar is now the new shounic

[@soundrogue4472]

13:25 as a noob game dev; you brought up a good point I never thought of, don't have it be a shut down but only an advantage! That's something I've never heard a game designer bring up!

[@ingen_nate_kenny6588]

15:33. What? Are you telling me that a team of exclusively of Spies is a poor strategy? Inconceivable!

[@buggy730]

A class that only works if you don't have 3+ players on said class? Impossible!

[@NerfPlayeR135]

It works if the opposing team is stacking Heavies.

[@buggy730]

@@NerfPlayeR135 Still, Pyro counters spy easily, guess what they enemy team will switch to if they don't want to roleplay as french people.

[@william3371]

@@NerfPlayeR135 See the KOTH "Class Wars" video for counterargument.

[@goatbonnie]

i just want to say i love the caption quality, not only are they accurate and timed well, but theyre so expressive!

[@Azullia]

There are some genuinely high quality closed captions on this video

[@jeisonwarrior]

they really are, I had no idea you could have captions like that built into the video. It's super impressive

[@jonaza2105]

@@jeisonwarrior You need an external program to do this; I believe one of the more popular ones is called Aegisub.

[@aceae4210]

@@jeisonwarrior so some info about these kinds of subtiles/captions one of the main programs to make them is "aegisub", if you try and move the captions in the video (yes, that's a thing you do) you can see it's made of 4 overlapping colored captions another cool thing you can do with captions is have full colour gradients (like starting at red shifting to blue smoothly) another thing you can do is have each sub has an individual position (and not just stuck at the bottom of the video) which can make some very cool effects (like "sliding" captions going from one side of the screen or the other, or mimicking "gliching") here are some cool videos which some high quality subs "THE POWER OF TERRY" (set subs/captions to Japanese) "The Glorious Octagon of Destiny" (again set the captions to Japanese)

[@SmugLilBugger]

15:00 They didn't really execute this idea well on a lot of maps. Dustbowl is a notoriously good example of doing exactly the thing Valve tried to prevent: When I feel powerless as a Scout on Dustbowl, it's not because I can improve and just need to play better, it's because I'm on the losing team fighting a lost battle with a class that statistically cannot win against 3 Engineers holding last. I had countless situations on Dustbowl where I'd do exactly what you said: Pick Demo, use Stickyjumper, propel myself to the front, suicide bomb a whole Sentry nest with 4 pills, repeat until nest is gone, switch back to the class I ACTUALLY want to play. I don't think a single Engineer counters anyone. A single Engineer can be picked off and bullied at any time in the game. It's when those Engis unionize and get a whole nest AND Pybros AND Heavies covering them that you start to feel the impact of how bad a class can be and usually it's entirely related to the type of map you play on. This would never happen on Thundermountain. You'd never be in a situation on Thundermountain that a non-soldier non-demo class couldn't try to tackle, whereas on Dustbowl you feel exclusively forced to use those classes because of the tight corridors and fighting spaces that allow you to just brainlessly spam explosives around every corner to destroy Sentries before they get to shoot back.

[@SqwimpyTF]

Also the reason homewrecker is as bad as Darwin's, razorback, vaccinator, just a big "fuck you" to a specific class.

[@Nicoder6884]

Yeah, a lot of early maps feel like they are really poorly designed.

[@xanmontes8715]

​@@SqwimpyTFi call my homewrecker the "Sentry buster" because that's the only use I have for it.

[@starmaker75]

It also one of the reason why having dustbowl be the default map on class war is stupid. because if the red team has the engineer, there almost a nothing you can do as blue, even with a powers classes.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

It also falls apart as an argument with Medic. If a team does not have a medic, and the other one does, the first team is going to suffer as a whole unless that medic is constantly watching their respawn timer.

[@Zephal0]

14:55 Medic and Engineer have a word to say about this

[@blacklight683]

I mean..yeah for being the only true support class you gonna need them, you can still win with 12 spies tho =)

[@vitkosbence3705]

@@blacklight683You CAN but by the same logic you can also win every Overwatch game while playing Genji. Theoretically possible, sure, but the odds are stacked heavily against you. And medic's existence really makes one ask how any tf2 developer could talk about stuff like this with a straight face. Medic is a gamechanger, that doesn't have the same thing as Engie where having one is really important, but a second only really matters when the first one sucks, but instead up to like idk 15-20% of your team being medics is still insanely impactful. Top that off with the easy and boring gameplay, and you got a prime example of a "we need this character, but nobody wants to play it".

[@self-proclaimedanimator]

@@vitkosbence3705Medik is Fun what are talking about

[@jblazerndrowzy]

@@self-proclaimedanimatorFor you and a few others, yeah For 90% of the playerbase, no, Medic isn’t fun to play as

[@Frikpro8000]

I actually play medic for fun​@@jblazerndrowzy

[@Floppa_OG_YT]

I didn’t know that solarlight could be good at BALLING. 10:26

[@Hypernova99]

13:58 you can still get flare crits and axetinguisher boosts on DDS snipers but its very precise. Hilarious when you pull it off though.

[@insomniaisntfun]

i respect the subtitle formatting, solid video!

[@areallydumbjoke662]

From someone who deliberately needs captions, I really do appreciate the quality you put into them.

[@Spooderman77]

yeah i didnt know you could even do that with captions on youtube, i thought they were added in editor but no, this is youtube

[@aceae4210]

the caption engine that youtube uses is very powerful in what you can do with it for sure, just most only use the basic captions the captions in this video end up using coloured captions along with stacking 4 on top of each other with a slight of set to get boldness some cool videos which use captions very well "The Glorious Octagon of Destiny" (set captions to Japanese) "THE POWER OF TERRY" (set captions to japanese)

[@_GhostMiner]

*0:00** Dispenser going down!*

[@AmalgamJiena]

13:06 flats said something about this that i agree with There is no skill in winning solely because you picked the "correct" option. You can train a parrot, a monkey, a *spider* to see X character, and click on Y character And overwatch 2 feels so bad because it's being choke holded by counterswap meta. I really wish i could play tf2 instead, but the only computer i have _somehow_ runs the game worse than your old engie days. So, I'm stuck playing ow on console..

[@HHHjb_]

Sounds like a settings issue(or your pc really cant handle programs that arnt 64 bit as of thr time you made the comment) also in general tf2 default settings unlike 99% of games dont suit your pc well

[@FritzTheGerman]

11:55 this is extremely fucking funny to me.

[@cheesyjacket]

Demoknight tf2 (Demoknight tf2)

[@fudgethegamer2801]

unfunny + cope + ratio + L bozo + THIS YOU 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@SchizoGuitarist]

The obligatory Demoknight tf2 comment in every solarlight video is here!!!!!

[@gabeclinton3350]

demoknight tf2

[@NuhUh235_IS_FLIPPING_TAKEN]

Nuh uh

[@2bonk520]

Demoknight tf2

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I never really struggle to evade the sentry guns closing the distance. I played a lot of Call of Duty back in the day and the killstreak sentry guns in that game function almost the same, you wait until they rotate away from you and then run in behind them before the turret tracks on to you. Its a really fun thing to pull off when theres explosions going off and body parts and bullets flying around.

[@prayafter4112]

The music list is missing a song he don't know so here at 10:06 so it calls "Deadly Struggle" from Like a dragon Gaiden The man Who erased His name.

[@SolarLight]

Fixed, thanks.

[@oguncanakyol6473]

Almost didnt realise that the subtitles werent from the video. Huge props for adding subtitles that are this detailed.

[@BlueShellshock]

12:51 - I feel this quote here. Back when OW1 was in *beta*, I had a go at a few characters, really liked Reinhardt, played him for a good hour. Wanted some diversity, Hanzo's "simple geometry" bouncing arrows seemed fun, tried to pick him for my very first game as him, IMMEDIATELY got someone saying "don't pick Hanzo", complaining about how all Hanzo's are bad, he's sick and tired of bad Hanzo's, I need to be Rein. This was beta, and where I decided I wasn't going to play OW. Little did I know picking Hanzo would eventually become a meme.

[@MarkSerenadesYou]

The one defence I'll give to being forced to switch to deal with sentries is that, at least there are multiple options to handle the situation. DH soldier, Spy, Uber medic, Demo. It's hard to totally remove this aspect of gameplay from a class based, team based game.

[@khromyakvsevolod3664]

"We didn't want to force players to make those kinds of decisions." Medic: "Allow me to introduce myself!"

[@LucidMakesVideos]

The bait and switch of the title and thumbnail versus the actual topic goes... kinda hard. Well played SolarLight, well played.

[@Untitled-Beanie]

11:56 Uncle Dane "Good Shit" SolarLight "DANE THAT'S NOT A NUMBER" made me laught

[@businessroboman]

I really like your captions with all the attention of detail

[@Poopeater20]

damn can't wait for the sequel "snipers are stupid" which teaches us how to avoid them abusing their tunnel vision debuff

[@FlamingZelda3]

pls

[@tappajaav]

How to avoid snipers: 1. Don't be in their sightlines 2. Don't join a server with them 3. Don't open TF2 4. Don't exist in same universe with them

[@Sparkz1607]

@@tappajaav my favorite flaw with the sightline argument is that staying out of the sniper's view doesn't kill the sniper

[@breni1518]

​@@Sparkz1607 Or the fact that some maps are just one massive sightline. Or another fact that good snipers don't need sightlines. They just 150 you and laugh taunt

[@ivanyy]

​@@breni1518 I mean, there are some maps that have a direct sightline from spawn to the area where the game is being played, so even if the sniper has tunnel vision, they often only need to press s to go back to spawn and avoid confrontation entirely.

[@iminumst7827]

14:44 I mean, TF2 still has this problem with the medic class. It's not as bad because Medic is sorta fun to play. But if your team doesn't have a medic the game is pretty much over.

[@zoriathevoidmage]

3:04 I would never! I'm at school, not work.

[@Cheese-Slime-Sheriff]

11:33 THE HEAVY COMETH

[@junifil]

2fort. I'm in sewers. I'm demoknight. I charged towards the health pack just to meet a sentry left alone. I somehow took it down by turning around it I didn't know the existence of that sentry My heart was going crazy after that

[@General_C]

Remember that in *ye olden days of 2007* there was no turn speed limit on sentries. They will INSTALOCK your ass.

[@skullzans]

Something to point out is the Medic kind of has the effect you described of "Everyone wants someone else to do this" and yes, medic mains exist and it is satisfying to an extent to them, but it isn't exactly like you can beat a team with a medic unless either you have equal or more medics than the enemy team OR High coordination.

[@ChesterManfred]

7:54 *spine bone abuse* sounds like an alternative to CBT, or the right name to a TF2 glitch

[@nameless......................]

cock and ball torture

[@shinyrayquaza9]

6:05 this is why the spy box is op (unsure if they ever patched that)

[@GarrettTBuse]

One instance where the game actually fails with strong arming players into switching is medic. If the enemy team has a medic and you don't your at a big disadvantage between quick healing, 50% more max health and uber it's really overwhelming how much power a single medic can hold. I really think other classes healing abilities having some kind of ability to overheal even if it's much less than medic overheal would have done a lot to solve this. Either that or just nerfing medic a bit.

[@Cytex07]

If you think about it, an experienced Engineer should always be aware of their Sentry's weaknesses and limitations, and aim to overcome them in various ways. After all, they aren't invincible. As an Engineer main, I've seen plenty of players take advantage of the Sentry's turning speed to effectively disable it for their team and destroy it. In those situations, you must get your hands dirty and be ready to defend your buildings.

[@worthlessclericbuild3866]

1:00 Demoman holding the sword the wrong way around Unsubscribley

[@bigdapramirez6157]

Fun fact: in team fortress classic, there is something demo can do that is unique. He can plant a bomb that gives the player the option to choose a fuse time. Once said bomb is placed, it will explode and do heavy damage once the fuse is up. Honestly it wasn't very practical since you couldn't prematurely detonate it if need be and there was a cool down on it so it couldn't be spammed, so your only option to get kills with it would be to place it somewhere where you'd expect someone to be by the time it blows up. A more modern rendition of this comes from tf2 classic in the form of the demoman's dynamite pack, which has a set fuse time every time it is deployed, though it can be thrown further similar to how stickies can be lobbed further by holding down the mouse. It consists of a primary explosion followed by multiple smaller ones, which are caused by the dynamite bundle breaking apart into multiple sticks. It can be deactivated by an enemy engineer hitting it with his wrench

[@lnfra]

9:07 is just foreshadowing to the demoknight's best sword video

[@conthegamer]

2:24 i can’t escape the snail

[@emissne]

the exact reason he says sentry guns are stupid, is the same reason why people hate sniper, while literally almost 0 classes can deal so much damage at that range sniper has, it just makes you want to switch to spy or scout and try to humble him, and then he kills you a bunch anyway and makes you rage.

[@omegalphadelta726]

13:22 SPY HAS A GUN

[@Angel-Dust-The-Prostitute]

Someone convinced their whole team to go engineer, and the enemy team placed a sentry nest at blues spawn. What's more is since every engineer knew each other and spy checked through VC and calling out Medic, enemy spies could only out themselves and end up dead. Ambush teleporter spots were also placed to instantly recover from otherwise fatal attacks. They stalled the enemy long enough to just flatout win on sentry guns.

[@habberdasher8492]

"The game's developers didn't want to strong-arm players into playing classes that they didn't feel like playing" is a funny quote when you look at medic. They designed these choked up maps like dustbowl and give only 1 class an ultimate ability. A team with a medic will win 9 times out of 10 against a team without and nobody wants to play him. Guess I'll heal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@reimuhakurei2123]

Thats dustbowl and literally one of the first few maps and you couldnt change loadouts yet

[@8stormy5]

Medic is literally a bigger stain on the game's design than sniper is tbh

[@Kirk.Schr0dinger]

He’s intentionally super powerful. Valve knew that no one likes to play healers, so they added Ubercharge to make it more rewarding

[@wingidon]

​@8stormy5 See, the difference is that one of them is vulnerable in combat and can't one-shot you from across the map. Yes, Ubercharge is a powerful thing, and yes, there aren't a lot of players that want to play Medic, but that's an issue with dedicated healers. When a single player is great at playing the Medic, they still need good teammates to get much out of it. A single player who's great at playing Sniper, on the other hand, can shut down an entire sightline, which is a problem on super open maps.

[@ShinMajin]

3:34 Holy what, is that Gotcha Force I hear!?

[@namelessmedicmain]

10:32 Love the teammate calmly saying "Heavy flying" in the background

[@Sandvichin]

Thanks for putting so much effort into the subtitles, very appreciated

[@Goofyahhjorg]

0:18 i would never have a controversial opinion- get that off the screen

[@Charles0901]

1:06 the sentry was already really low

[@MithalanMithrarin]

joke comment: *sees title of video* "Salty because you keep dying to them as Demoknight, aren't you?" actual comment: *dies laughing at Heavy's corpse sliding right to a health pack @ 10:54 *

[@Skivv5]

Ik it's a tiny detail, but i LOVE the subtitles, please continue to make these nice stylized ones whenever you make new videos, it adds a lot more than you might think.

[@TiinKy333]

At 14:35 i kept thinking about how Medic is the only class that does lean into that concept, i really wish there was a way to balance the ubercharge mechanic and add ways to support/heal from other classes. An extra dispenser instead of a sentry would make me a very happy engie. I've lost count of how many times i switch to Medic on Uncletopia just because the other team has one and completely unbalances the match. And don't get me wrong i love playing Medic, crossbow spacing with medigun is insanely skillful and rewarding, but i don't see why i should have to play the class just because the other team has one. (same goes for sniper but that's another whole can of worms) Overall very insightful video, thanks !

[@SeekerErron]

12:35. Hi, I'm both an overwatch 2 player and a tf2 player. What you putted as an example there is not entirety wrong, some people just want to play one hero and those can get screw by 2-3 counters of the enemy team, in that sense tf2 can have the advantage. But also consider than overwatch has 40+ characters, and a lot of them are very VERY different from each other. So it can be a really hard time for some interactions to be unaccounted for, and lead to oppressively matchups. And regarding the "hard counters shouldn`t have existed in the first place" that was mostly fault to the original overwatch team from 2017, who did putted HARD counters to characters because this was a team game, and with support, they could help you, and also, the OG team never wanted players to just use one character, the concept of a "one trick" was something they never wanted in the first place. The new team now in charge of overwatch 2 had REALLY diverted that motion, constantly making nerfs and adjustments to remove hard counters. While few still exist (like mauga vs roadhog) they are much more manageable, specially with the healing nerf last patch. And pro players have shown how if your skilled enough (plus a bit of help from your team), soft counters can be completely destroyed. Overall, you have valid points about hard counters solarlight, they suck. But both tf2 and overwatch 2 still have them to an extent, and while personal skill can help a lot, its something we have to deal with. Also great video :)

[@heinrichkrull2523]

You said it better than me.

[@zipflik7887]

So basically the takeaway is, if you are a pro player with 5k+ hours on demoknight or other non-anti-sentry classes and loadouts, then maybe, just maybe, you don't necessarily have to be hard countered by little Timmy having a go at his first ever videogameing session.

[@harrynoodlemeyer4450]

BLU real name is Builder League United RED real name is Reliable Excavation Demolition BLU has Builder in their name and that's the mechanic of the engineer RED has Demolition in their name and that's the mechanic of the demoman So basically Uncle Dane is BLU and SolarLight is RED *Ladies and gentlemen we found The Fuck 2 on youtube*

[@dragongamerandart]

I saw someone play pyro and his friends played scout with sun-on-a-stick and they were really good. They managed to get everyone on the team to join in as Sun stick scouts and were almost spawn camping them. It was funny sheit

[@puffyvulva]

occasionally on hoovy i'd pull out the bumper car taunt, practically any slope seems to send the sentry's bullets flying over your head

[@blacklight683]

13:37Where did I hear this before... OH RIGHT SNIPER FORCING YOU TO GO SNIPER TO COUNTER HIM! I guess the alternative is not to play tf2 and start playing snake from metal gear just to not get killed from across the map

[@goldencheeze]

9:17 In my 7000 hours of TF2, I of course knew about the cursed Sentry Dance™ technique for a long while after seeing others do it, but in all my time I’ve never thought that crouching was actually almost as good as just jumping on top and circling. New forbidden strat acquired, I suppose better late than never…

[@EliteCameraBuddy]

14:00 PYRO HAS A SHOTGUN AND A AXE

[@LoneWolf343]

Engineers: *exist* SolarLight: Imma bout to end this man's whole career.

[@apotato-]

12:21 Archimedes cameo

[@birb4415]

When I heard that "I don't wanna switch classes to someone that I don't like just to be useful" I was instantly reminded of whenever I play rainbow six siege and end up having to switch to an operator that I don't enjoy, just to counter another players operator. I really should play more TF2 ngl.

[@chexo3]

12:30 what gets me about this meme is they needed Bastion (my main) super hard in OW2, when it’s main counter is shields and teamwork Like, it’s not hard for a coordinated team to take out a Bastion but people still gave me shit for using it But it doesn’t really matter since I’m not playing OW2 at all anyways

[@WoodstockFox]

That's why we see people panic wrangling rockets to the ground, nothing more heartbraking then losing 13/7 stat sentry to a medic with saw jumping on it and doing "tha crouch dance"